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+xI think AAFC plan is to expand the second division to 20 teams gradually in the build up to 2024/when the TV deal ends and then from 2024 expand the A-League through promotion of division 2 whilst promoting teams from the NPL to replace the teams promoted to HAL. I believe a big part of the reason that the AAFC wants travel for the second division funded by sponsors and co. as opposed to the clubs finding themselves Is to have a more fluent promotion and relegation with the NPLs below.Not every club is going to want to jump from state to national level but if travel is covered it becomes a lot more enticing and less of a burden finding more $$. Suspect you are correct - beyond that, they've not indicated anywhere that there will be an absolute limit on the number of teams in the Championship (structure), or that long term the Championship would be limited to a single division. Entry to the league will always be dependant on teams who want to join being able to meet key selection criteria re; facilities and funds - but there's no need to get rid of sides which are viable in order to make room for new teams. Expand the competition, increase the footprint and opportunities in the game.
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+xPretty sure they plan to have promotion and relegation from a-league- championship - npl by 2024..plus keep in mind a-league is going to 12 teams by 2019 and possibly 14 teams by 2024.. and championship aims to have 16- 20 sides by 2024.2024 football pyramid A-league 14 teams4 ACL - 1st, 2nd, 3rd league table + FFA CUP WINNER1.5 relegation spots - 14th automatic relegation- 13th relegation playoff with div 2 runner up Championship 16 teams 1.5 promotion spots - 1st - automatic promotion - 2nd - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team) - 3rd - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)- 4th - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)- 5th - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)3 Relegation spots - 14th, 15th, 16th relegated NPL3 promotion spots (Promotion structure) For this to work nsw and nnsw would have to merge. - NSW (winner of playoff is promoted)- VIC (winner of playoff is promoted)- QLD (winner of playoff is promoted) -TAS (winner of playoff is promoted) - SA/NT(winner of playoff is promoted)- WA (winner of playoff is promoted)For example ( 2 legs )QLD VS SANSW VS WATAS VS VICWinner of each match is promoted. Kind of like the npl final series now, except last 3 teams are promoted. Then promotion relegation below npl as existing. I'd keep it simple from the Championship to NPLs. The NPL Champion has a play-off against the last place Championship side. All the determination of best NPL side has been done for you. As for AL to Championship, make it the same. One up, one down, maybe for starters via a play-off and then expand. Second bottom v bottom in the AL 1 v 2 in the Championship Then the loser of the first match plays the winner of the second to determine who gets promoted/relegated, still only one side up/down but opens the risk/reward to bottom 2 and top 2.
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As for the teams that join this second division or the A-League in the future, I hope the effort is made to include new regions (who currently lack any representation) instead of over-saturated markets in the metro areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia_by_populationCovering the remaining cities in the top 20 would be a good idea: > Gold Coast > Canberra > Sunshine Coast > Wollongong > Hobart > Geelong > Townsville > Cairns > Darwin > Toowoomba > Ballarat > Bendigo > Albury-Wodonga > Launceston Of that list, we get the following clubs: > Gold Coast United (recently reformed) > Canberra United (fields a W-League team and as of this season a NYL team) > Sunshine Coast Fire > Wollongong Wolves > Northern Fury (Townsville) > FNQ Heat (Cairns) > SWQ Thunder (Toowoomba) > Ballarat City > Bendigo City > Murray United (Wodonga) The last few might not be able to cough up the license fee/revenue, but they should be in consideration if they can find enough financial backing to be sustainable. The Victoria Patriots bid covers Geelong and arguably Ballarat and Bendigo, while the Tasmania bid covers Hobart and Launceston. Darwin is a question mark because of the isolation and the level of the NT NPL, but can't be ruled out. It's these regional cities that we need to include to widen the support of a national league.
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The A-League will be stuck at 12 teams (if we're lucky and actually expand) by 2024. The two new teams will be Brisbane City and Southern Expansion (it's pretty clear those are the FFA/Fox's preferences at this point, they may as well just break the terrible facade of a process and announce them as the two expansion teams). Unless something dramatic happens with the FFA and the management of football in this country, that's the path we'll take.
When 2024 comes along, the best four teams from the second division can be promoted into the A-League, which will hopefully be operating under a better model AND (fingers crossed) be independent of the FFA. That will give us two divisions of 16 teams each. Then we can have the following in place:
> Bottom two teams from the A-League get relegated to the second division, replaced with the second division champion and the winner of the second division promotion playoffs (the teams that finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th).
> Bottom team from the second division has a relegation playoff with the NPL (third tier) champion. This establishes a natural buffer between the second and third tiers and is a good test for any aspiring entrants (if they can't beat the worst second division team over two legs, they don't deserve to replace them in the second division).
> The A-League and the second division can expand in sync to 18 teams each over the years following 2024.
> Once we have two professional tiers of 18 teams each, we can open up promotion and relegation to the third tier (state NPLs) with an automatic promotion place to the champions. Then we hopefully have a functioning pyramid going as far down as entry to the lowest leagues in the state NPLs.
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You're correct but they have been very proactive in regards to it and as they say early bird gets the worm.
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+xAlso of note APIA appears to be signing a fair few players around the age of 20. Ex junior national players and AL youth team players, assuming it's in anticipation of second division. Why would they be recruiting players for a comp which may or may not exist yet in a few years time? Don't think players would be hanging around waiting for it just yet.
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bigpoppa
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Also of note APIA appears to be signing a fair few players around the age of 20.
Ex junior national players and AL youth team players, assuming it's in anticipation of second division.
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I think AAFC plan is to expand the second division to 20 teams gradually in the build up to 2024/when the TV deal ends and then from 2024 expand the A-League through promotion of division 2 whilst promoting teams from the NPL to replace the teams promoted to HAL.
I believe a big part of the reason that the AAFC wants travel for the second division funded by sponsors and co. as opposed to the clubs finding themselves Is to have a more fluent promotion and relegation with the NPLs below.
Not every club is going to want to jump from state to national level but if travel is covered it becomes a lot more enticing and less of a burden finding more $$.
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+xPretty sure they plan to have promotion and relegation from a-league- championship - npl by 2024..plus keep in mind a-league is going to 12 teams by 2019 and possibly 14 teams by 2024.. and championship aims to have 16- 20 sides by 2024.2024 football pyramid A-league 14 teams4 ACL - 1st, 2nd, 3rd league table + FFA CUP WINNER1.5 relegation spots - 14th automatic relegation- 13th relegation playoff with div 2 runner up The A-League will be max 12 team throughout the 6 year tv deal. This means only 3 ACL spot because we would need 12 Australain teams for 4 spots.It seems AAFC has the aim in the meantime to take the 4th spot that is available. They do have a case as India takes Asian entry from 2 different unconnected leagues (1 ACL & 1 Cup but this is only because of their Asian co-eff) So the Championship getting an ACL spot is not so far fetched. Even when the A-League gets up to 13 or 14 teams, to get to 12 Australian teams, it is up to the FFA to nominate which comp is classed as its "cup" for ACL entry. At the moment it FFA picks GF as it is their cash cow. If the league become independent the FFA may nominate the FFA Cup. Im not even sure the A-League can ask AFC to allow them to give a spot to the GF (cup) winner. As it is a different circumstance than getting entries from 2 leagues. Im guessing any league in Asia has ever gotten 2 cup winner entries as most dont have finals. If the 2nd div is ready I think FFA may have the right to enforce pro rel even if the league is independent. In that case I would like 4 teams to be promoted from the 2023 season to A-League and 4 new teams to enter the Championship in 2024. So we have A-League with 16 and Championship with 20. With a relegation system with the bottom 3 teams, either directly or a playoff involving 14th etc. Perhaps 1-14 v 2-5 vs 2-3 v 2-3 or whatever. As for relegation to div 3. I really cant see that happening until the Championship ends up with up to 20 teams. It will be hard enough getting to the stage of relegation from A-League, as promotion up may occur first. I think some fans would be more prepared for an alien encounter then having A-League clubs getting relegated from a 2nd division atm and is a long way off.
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"(P/R) helps make football even more exciting."
That goes without saying, they need to sell the real benefits for development of players, coaches and general football infrastructure as well as the engagement of the grassroots community if they want to push this past the non football idiots.
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Pretty sure they plan to have promotion and relegation from a-league- championship - npl by 2024..plus keep in mind a-league is going to 12 teams by 2019 and possibly 14 teams by 2024.. and championship aims to have 16- 20 sides by 2024.
2024 football pyramid
A-league
14 teams
4 ACL
- 1st, 2nd, 3rd league table + FFA CUP WINNER
1.5 relegation spots
- 14th automatic relegation
- 13th relegation playoff with div 2 runner up
Championship
16 teams
1.5 promotion spots
- 1st - automatic promotion
- 2nd - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)
- 3rd - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)
- 4th - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)
- 5th - playoff spot (winner plays div one 13th team)
3 Relegation spots
- 14th, 15th, 16th relegated
NPL
3 promotion spots
(Promotion structure)
For this to work nsw and nnsw would have to merge.
- NSW (winner of playoff is promoted)
- VIC (winner of playoff is promoted)
- QLD (winner of playoff is promoted)
-TAS (winner of playoff is promoted)
- SA/NT(winner of playoff is promoted)
- WA (winner of playoff is promoted)
For example ( 2 legs )
QLD VS SA
NSW VS WA
TAS VS VIC
Winner of each match is promoted. Kind of like the npl final series now, except last 3 teams are promoted.
Then promotion relegation below npl as existing.
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+x+x+x+xLook, in reality it is going backward to choose ethnic based clubs of the NSL to be in any 2nd division. It's too toxic. forget it and move forward people. My concern isn't which clubs are in more so that the mechanism is in place and the structure to have pro/rel. If what you suggest is too toxic then other clubs who aren't toxic will just take their place. This will only have a positive effect in a number of ways. 1. Firstly if a club isn't performing on the field or outside the field they will quickly know it and they will need to change and adapt. 2. If things are really that bad as you suggest then it should be quite easy for new clubs to come in and fill that void. That should be the case but AAFC have been pretty clear the clubs in this league will be selected by bids not performance. Disaster incoming Its not a 2nd Division unless there is Promotion. Its just another franchised circlejerk Without Relegation it is just HAL lite seems like thats what they're going for sadly.
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+x+x+xLook, in reality it is going backward to choose ethnic based clubs of the NSL to be in any 2nd division. It's too toxic. forget it and move forward people. My concern isn't which clubs are in more so that the mechanism is in place and the structure to have pro/rel. If what you suggest is too toxic then other clubs who aren't toxic will just take their place. This will only have a positive effect in a number of ways. 1. Firstly if a club isn't performing on the field or outside the field they will quickly know it and they will need to change and adapt. 2. If things are really that bad as you suggest then it should be quite easy for new clubs to come in and fill that void. That should be the case but AAFC have been pretty clear the clubs in this league will be selected by bids not performance. Disaster incoming Its not a 2nd Division unless there is Promotion. Its just another franchised circlejerk Without Relegation it is just HAL lite
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Reading the Death and Life of Aus soccer. It certainly is food for thought and probably explains the FFAs conservative nature even to the point of harm towards the game.
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GoalWeekly Journalist Stefan Tsamis sits down and speaks with Association of Australian Football Clubs Chairman and former North Queensland Fury CEO Rabieh Krayem about The Championship and how the second division can benefit Australian Football in the future. ST: The Association of Australian Football Clubs announced last week that a second division to the Hyundai A-League will be set to take place in the 2019/2020 season named The Championship. How do you believe that The Championship can benefit soccer in Australia for the future? RK: It is as we outline in our preferred model. It will benefit football in Australia by giving more men and women more opportunity to play quality, competitive matches. It will help to boost the profile of interest in football and it will help bridge the gap between the elite levels and community football. ST: In the old National Soccer League days there were players such as Mark Viduka, Mark Bresciano, Tony Popovic, Mark Bosnich, Scott Chipperfield, who ended up playing somewhere big in Europe. Do you believe with a second division coming in that we can one day again produce quality players to go play overseas for the big giants in Europe or anywhere overseas? RK: A second division can help contribute to that by giving more players more opportunity to play quality, competitive matches. ST: With The Championship looking promising, will it be great to big clubs such as Melbourne Knights, Heidelberg United, Sydney Olympic, Wollongong Wolves, Brisbane Strikers and such have that chance to compete in the top flight of Australian Football once again? RK: We do not know which clubs might take part in The Championship. It could be any of those, or it could be any of many more clubs located around Australia. We have and independently managed process for assessing bids. ST: What criteria will clubs need to meet to compete in The Championship in Australia? RK: For clubs who wish to participate in The Championship, they will need to meet stringent criteria in order to compete in The Championship. Clubs will also need to meet the benchmark of providing coaches, governance, organisational structure. financial viability, facilities, membership protection, medical, media team and have to be already participant in the National Premier League. Clubs will also need to provide a development plan and have a set program. ST: Numerous people that I have interviewed coaches, past and present players have told me that we need a promotion/relegation system. Why do you believe it is so important to have something in place such as important as this? RK: It helps make football even more exciting. We are one of only two major leagues in the world that is closed. We believe it will also help give a boost to the existing Hyundai A-League competition. ST: If The Championship goes ahead for the 2019/2020 season, how long we will need to wait before the promotion/relegation system is finally being introduced in Australia? RK: We would like to see implementation of promotion and relegation by 2024. ST: Tell us a little bit of the current board make of AAFC and how the organisation came about? RK: After the inaugural AGM of the AAFC with the first board elected with a representative from each state making the AAFC have a truly national feel. The current AAFC is board is made up of the following people Jon Thiele, Gino Marra, Christo Patsan, Amin Ayoubi, Victoria Morton, Dean Hennessey and Gary Marocchi. ST: You were former CEO of North Queensland Fury when they were in the Hyundai A-League, tell us about the battles facing football in the Northern Queensland area such as a whole and what went wrong with the Fury to only see them have a short stint in the Hyundai A-League? RK: I was brought in to try and help the North Queensland Fury after the initial owner and management left the game. At that stage, we needed time from the FFA, but they didn’t want to give it to us. ST: What do you make of the current infighting plaguing the game involving the FFA, PFA, the A-League clubs etc..? RK: These things happen in any organisation, and generally precede change. It happened in 2001-2003 and now the game is getting ready for its next bout of change. ST: What role do you want and hope to see the Association Australian of Football Clubs play in the Australian football landscape? RK: We wish to be a member of the FFA Congress representing the interests of our members, NPL Clubs, the volunteers, players, supporters and administrators. ST: There has been a lot of up and coming coaches in the National Premier League lately who haven’t been given a fair go in the Hyundai A-League yet, are you hoping with The Championship hopefully coming, that these rising coaches can hopefully get their chance to manage a side in the top flight of Australian Football and get the publicity they deserve? RK: Yes, it not only gives opportunity for players, but also coaches and referees.
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Bluebird, the context for my post was ba81 stating he thought football would never be 'mainstream' as though it would always be the preserve of a few and characterised as the sport of the 'ethnics'. Yeah, sure some of that continues especially amongst the dinosaurs in the press, but it has broken down massively over the years and new fans have been given an avenue. The ndl and hal are very different creatures but thrvstagnsyion in hal is killing me. Dont for a second think i am a ffa fan boy, they started something with massive potential and have been too clueless and terrified to follow through. Also crowds and fans are important, not the only thing, but they are the customers that ffa need to get and the static numbers and resultant poor tv deal are going to hold back further growth. A 2nd div will help grow the game especially taping into non syd melb places like canberra tas woolongong etc and exciting them in ways the npl isnt doing right now and the hal wont let them
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691 Australia needs less restriction. NOT more. Fine by me but all clubs should have to follow the same rules. They do already ffs. -PB You are on another planet.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691 Australia needs less restriction. NOT more. Fine by me but all clubs should have to follow the same rules. They do already ffs. -PB AL don't.
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+x+x+x+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691 Australia needs less restriction. NOT more. Fine by me but all clubs should have to follow the same rules. They do already ffs. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691 Australia needs less restriction. NOT more. Fine by me but all clubs should have to follow the same rules. Agreed
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+x+x+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691 Australia needs less restriction. NOT more. Fine by me but all clubs should have to follow the same rules.
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+x+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691 Australia needs less restriction. NOT more.
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+x+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes. Force the A-league clubs work within a points system like the NPL clubs in NSW have to and you'll see the average age go way down. http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=3369691
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+xAs the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
Only way around SFC Dads army would be to introduce an aged "salary cap". Something like eg if you are over 32 you have to be paid at least $75k, Over 28 at least $80k. All of this is a capped league of course. It would be a way to stop older guys taking low or minimum salaries as they may have earnt enough over their football careers. In theory you would want an 18 yr old on minimum wage not a 35 yr old. It would be better just to scrap the cap and increase squad sizes.
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aussie scott21
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As the FFA governance dispute moves into its final phase – one that will involve the reshaping of the professional game – increasing opportunities for young players has to be a priority, especially as it may contradict the short-term interests of professional clubs. For example, the excellence and professionalism of Sydney FC deserves enormous praise, but their all-conquering squad was the second-oldest of any national league champions in Australian history, reflective of an upward trend in the average ages of A-League players. This is not fertile ground for another golden generation.
Australian football needs more professional teams providing more opportunities, and the rise of Dimi Petratos is testament as to why. He benefited from an early start at one club, saw his development accelerated at another, and chanced upon a prosperous home at a third, following an unsuccessful stint overseas. The net result is not only a standout performer for Newcastle and a potential Socceroo, but also a case study for the future success of the A-League.
Success of Dimitri Petratos a case study for future success of A-League | Football | The Guardian
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+x+x[quote]It should be said that the hal has made massive inroads into 'the mainstream'. As much as i think ffa is run by non football 2 faced car sslesman cretins,credit where credit is due that if you had lived through the nsl years it would have been hard to imagine some of the crowds we get now. They are though so cautious that the next big step feels like it will never happen Ah yes, crowds. The measure of everything I've said for years - the game will be healthier all round with 20 teams averaging 5k than with 10 teams averaging 10k. The current model doesn't allow for that - a reduced costs model (such as the Championship) would allow for 5k crowds to be profitable, which would open the game right up - and give the bigger A-League sides a chance to become the genuinely 'big' clubs of Australia (every league needs the big and the small).
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+x+xIt should be said that the hal has made massive inroads into 'the mainstream'. As much as i think ffa is run by non football 2 faced car sslesman cretins,credit where credit is due that if you had lived through the nsl years it would have been hard to imagine some of the crowds we get now. They are though so cautious that the next big step feels like it will never happen Ah yes, crowds. The measure of everything Forget VAR, concessions, the all stars, a top 6 in a 10 team comp, inability to expand, lack of player positions, failure at the national level in age groups we have never failed at before, FTA ratings that are consistently lower than payTV ratings, ads during play, complete lack of FFA led advertising, rigged competitions, teams taking it in turns in winning titles, buying the richest club a player and scrapping funding for futsal in with the same pool of funds... The important thing is that crowds today are bigger than what they used to be We could have boosted crowds by simply using all the funds we had, buying an AFL / NRL team and calling it football The reform was about improving the quality and integrity of the game. Everything has gone backwards just for crowds which aren't much different to when the A League was little more than the NSL with a coat of paint (which was the consolidated effort of existing football fans). In other words we have lost everything for support we already had, plus a few casuals we won with world cup qualification and derbies 100% this although I wouldnt say crowds are increasing.
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+x+xLook, in reality it is going backward to choose ethnic based clubs of the NSL to be in any 2nd division. It's too toxic. forget it and move forward people. My concern isn't which clubs are in more so that the mechanism is in place and the structure to have pro/rel. If what you suggest is too toxic then other clubs who aren't toxic will just take their place. This will only have a positive effect in a number of ways. 1. Firstly if a club isn't performing on the field or outside the field they will quickly know it and they will need to change and adapt. 2. If things are really that bad as you suggest then it should be quite easy for new clubs to come in and fill that void. That should be the case but AAFC have been pretty clear the clubs in this league will be selected by bids not performance.
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+xLook, in reality it is going backward to choose ethnic based clubs of the NSL to be in any 2nd division. It's too toxic. forget it and move forward people. My concern isn't which clubs are in more so that the mechanism is in place and the structure to have pro/rel. If what you suggest is too toxic then other clubs who aren't toxic will just take their place. This will only have a positive effect in a number of ways. 1. Firstly if a club isn't performing on the field or outside the field they will quickly know it and they will need to change and adapt. 2. If things are really that bad as you suggest then it should be quite easy for new clubs to come in and fill that void.
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+xLook, in reality it is going backward to choose ethnic based clubs of the NSL to be in any 2nd division. It's too toxic. forget it and move forward people. The youth league isn't popular yet it doesn't impact on the A League's attendances and ratings. Neither does the W League, or NPL, or state feds, or any other lower league I don't get where this notion that a second division is going to send the A League backwards comes from "You going to the derby this weekend?" "Nah. South Melbourne exist as a team" In fact the ethnic based NSL clubs already play at the highest level outside of the A League and there hasn't been any detrimental impact The fact is these clubs will either sit in a second division which nobody will watch / care about. Or they will fight to a top tier based on investment and good football in which case they'll do no worse than 6,000 odd on a Saturday night in front of a national FTA audience of 34k The A League as it stands is already toxic
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