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I 100% agree with you sokkah wogz are a disgrace.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? ha ha you popped up on this forum a few months ago as a "new poster" pretending you didn't know if a-league clubs were member run or private entities etc so nice guess! PS you're not wrong about paulC. He started on this forum as a Hellas hating Victory supporter called Skinet I'm pretty sure. If you really have only been on this forum a few months or years, be thankful aha ROFL Do a poll and see how many like the Hellas propaganda and self entitlements. And what is a Skinet, is it like the other dozen or so multis thrown my way over time? I needed to peel myself off the ground regarding the bit about me a Victory supporter. Don't buy a lottery ticket David, LOL. Lol seriously its been years since I've shown my face in here and I feel like im in a time machine and nothings changed. Just pauly screeching EFFNIKS BAD over and over again. How many multis have you been so far? No multi's pauly but I know you missed me Liar Scotty. You were also banned. But I did miss you.
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+xWill you Marry Me paulc? I 100% agree with you sokkah wogz are a disgrace. See what I mean by the multis. Faceless and gutless. Your comments are a disgrace.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? ha ha you popped up on this forum a few months ago as a "new poster" pretending you didn't know if a-league clubs were member run or private entities etc so nice guess! PS you're not wrong about paulC. He started on this forum as a Hellas hating Victory supporter called Skinet I'm pretty sure. If you really have only been on this forum a few months or years, be thankful aha ROFL Do a poll and see how many like the Hellas propaganda and self entitlements. And what is a Skinet, is it like the other dozen or so multis thrown my way over time? I needed to peel myself off the ground regarding the bit about me a Victory supporter. Don't buy a lottery ticket David, LOL. Aha sure thing Pau
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+xWill you Marry Me paulc? I 100% agree with you sokkah wogz are a disgrace. El Shazza, I now have a boner!
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I miss the TOB Benjamin and Chris days. They were at least intertwine to read rather than This.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? ha ha you popped up on this forum a few months ago as a "new poster" pretending you didn't know if a-league clubs were member run or private entities etc so nice guess! PS you're not wrong about paulC. He started on this forum as a Hellas hating Victory supporter called Skinet I'm pretty sure. If you really have only been on this forum a few months or years, be thankful aha Not sure who you think I may be bud but I first came across this forum about 2017-18 when the last round of expansion bids for the A-league where happening and I thought (obviously wrongly) that Hellas may have been in with a chance. I have been jumping on occasionally since then every week or so just to see what was happening in the world of Australian Soccer and because, not having a facebook or twitter account, I tend to miss out on the juicier issues out there. About 3-4 months ago now I finally had enough of some of the nastiness about Hellas being written and decided to jump on and have a crack - I hadnt seen any live soccer by then for 4-5 months and was having withdrawal symptoms heheh. Its a good distraction...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. Thats not even remotely true, why would any club, let alone Hellas (if for no other reason than purely financial) turn away paying members or support based on ethnicity? Your stuck in 1988 ffs wake up!!!!! still dont understand your rabid objection to it even if they did though.... We all know that a couple of the clubs were set up as political/cultural showpieces for their community (Hakoa is the only one still in top flight ironically enough) and it is their absolute right in this country to do so... Youve had your ethnic cleansing Lowey pogrom and there are now no traces of any dirty wog clubs in your precious ♻️league. This new NSD has the opportunity to invigorate soccer in this country and link ALL tribes and clubs and cultures and regions together. You don't have to agree with a club celebrating their history or culture, or even a club pushing themselves only to one specific ethnicity or religion or political ideology. Thats the beauty of it, clubs are and should be the main focus. Let them be who they want to be. If they are smart enough and have enough support and ambition they will grow, if they dont want to grown then there will always be a place for the lads to go drink raki on a Saturday and listen to Balkan music... For every Hume City slapping a big fat Turkish flag on their crest once NCIP was abolished, there are clubs like South Melbourne and Melbourne Knights, choosing not to go back to Hellas and Croatia officially. Why do you think that is? You see this NSD as a threat of the boogie man clubs coming back to destroy a dying sport when I see it as a chance to unite two seperate sets of fans and maybe, just maybe, improve the sports outcomes for the national teams, the fans and the participants... couldn't give a flying f#ck about protecting the interests of investors and improving their rois or whatever. Lets see if you can answer me without those same tired, moronic cliches and exaggerations about how terrible it all was back in your day, youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? Self hating wogs are the worst Paulie, seriously mate I dont want to sound condescending but let it go... "Let them be who they want to be"? Sure buddy. Only a dope will believe they have changed their spots. They had their chance in the NSL and look where it got them. Love your rant btw, LOL. Thats the point of my post Paulie ... if they don't want to change then the shouldn't have too...... Obviously basic human rights to fundamental self determination are not your cup of tea, sorry for ranting, your right a leopard won't (or in your case (won't) change his spots.
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+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? ha ha you popped up on this forum a few months ago as a "new poster" pretending you didn't know if a-league clubs were member run or private entities etc so nice guess! PS you're not wrong about paulC. He started on this forum as a Hellas hating Victory supporter called Skinet I'm pretty sure. If you really have only been on this forum a few months or years, be thankful aha Not sure who you think I may be bud but I first came across this forum about 2017-18 when the last round of expansion bids for the A-league where happening and I thought (obviously wrongly) that Hellas may have been in with a chance. I have been jumping on occasionally since then every week or so just to see what was happening in the world of Australian Soccer and because, not having a facebook or twitter account, I tend to miss out on the juicier issues out there. About 3-4 months ago now I finally had enough of some of the nastiness about Hellas being written and decided to jump on and have a crack - I hadnt seen any live soccer by then for 4-5 months and was having withdrawal symptoms heheh. Its a good distraction... I don't think you are anyone. If you know that paulC has been a dickhead for years just from being a lurker that's great. Surprised it took you so long to have a go at him aha
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? ha ha you popped up on this forum a few months ago as a "new poster" pretending you didn't know if a-league clubs were member run or private entities etc so nice guess! PS you're not wrong about paulC. He started on this forum as a Hellas hating Victory supporter called Skinet I'm pretty sure. If you really have only been on this forum a few months or years, be thankful aha Not sure who you think I may be bud but I first came across this forum about 2017-18 when the last round of expansion bids for the A-league where happening and I thought (obviously wrongly) that Hellas may have been in with a chance. I have been jumping on occasionally since then every week or so just to see what was happening in the world of Australian Soccer and because, not having a facebook or twitter account, I tend to miss out on the juicier issues out there. About 3-4 months ago now I finally had enough of some of the nastiness about Hellas being written and decided to jump on and have a crack - I hadnt seen any live soccer by then for 4-5 months and was having withdrawal symptoms heheh. Its a good distraction... I don't think you are anyone. If you know that paulC has been a dickhead for years just from being a lurker that's great. Surprised it took you so long to have a go at him aha Nah I suspect he is just stirring the shit mostly like we all are. The interesting thing (at least to me) is that the biggest hate towards the old ethnic clubs is no longer from the New Dawn post 2006 Football supporters. They believed the slander in the early years about soccer hooligan ethnics that FFA was promoting, got sick of feeling plastic and inferior over time and grew to understand that the old clubs still hold a tiny bit of value and might be better to have everyone pushing in the same direction rather than always fighting - The FFA cup, despite its many many flaws has been a great "bridging" strategy between old and new I think. The biggest HATE towards ethnic clubs, sadly, is from old ethnic club supporters who now see that their original clubs may have small glimmer of hope and their guilt at the years of self loathing is starting to become unbearable... Must be sort of how the collaborators in occupied countries in Europe must have felt when the Nazis where fleeing and they had to come up with excuses for their appalling behaviour .... We've got you on the run now Paulie ... hahahahahahahahahah
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+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Forget 2nd div in 2022, in a Winter comp it would min be 2023. Galatas made that Clear!!! on SBS talking with Lucy Z and Nick S. Well, they can shove it whether they have it or not. If the choice is going the long or the short road, it's always going to be the long road. So you don't want this to happen now? Why mate? Agree 2023 winter is a bit long to wait but the upside is that at least it gives the NPLs two full seasons of "data" so that performance on the pitch can be used as one of the criteria for the first 12 clubs. Also allows clubs that may not be "strong" enough now to at least get their ducks in a row and make a push for inclusion. What is the alternative to this, nothing? Ella mate, it takes too long to do their research. Clubs are keen to come in. Malakes always looking for red tape. Turn my attention to something else, if something ever actually happens good for football. Go Hellas! I get your frustration but weve been waiting 16 years whats 2 more? If thats what it takes to have the kind of system that they should have looked to set up back in 77 with the first inklings of a national league then it will be worth the wait.... This is a big step for the sport here megale, much bigger than the unbundling you keep mentioning, maybe not for the professional side but clubland and the national teams of all ages both mens and womens will greatly benefit from this if it goes ahead imo.The major hurdle, as always, will be the cartel Lowey the bastard set up in 2005. JJ and some at FA may want this to go ahead but there are still Fat Nick and dumb Greg to contend with and uncle scumbag Frank has his hand deep in their pockets squeezing their tiny ballakia. My personal conspiracy theory is that they engaged the AAFC to create a financial report for this thinking the wogs will tear each other apart before agreeing to anything and so they can always state they tried a second division but it failed at the gate. Ask yourself this, its been 2 days now and, unless I missed it, not a peep out of FA, APL or PFA.....not even an acknowledgement that a significant report has been drafted in line with their 11 principals and as per the committee the FFA established to create an evaluation task force for such a thing.... What about or famous soccer journos, Especially that arsehole Rugari? They are quick to jump on any A league feel good story and love to write about those nasty NSL clubs that cause all the riots, dont pay their players, are un-Australian and want a national second division that they cant even afford ... well AAFC have "shown them the money" why dont these f#ckers reply??? LOL at your conspiracy theories. Instead of of blaming everyone else for their ills, why don’t you encourage SMHellas to broaden their base and grow into an all encompassing club for other communities as well. One day it may be treated seriously if it does. Dont worry Paulie. No need to follow the Greeks in the NSD, most of the other clubs participating will be monoethnic too... You must feel like the naughty kid on Christmas morning holding your lump of coal... hahahahah Irrelevant to the comments I made. Just giving you more options. You wont follow South because they are Greek. I won’t follow them because they selfishly restrict their efforts to their own community. If they didn’t, they would have a broader following. But the Greek flag to them and you is more important than the Australian flag. By not following them doesn’t mean I would not go to watch them. Now here’s one for you. SMHellas was my most watched (from the stands) team in the NSL. Yes you read it correct, I was one of handful of non Greeks that attended. But there are much better options now which I guess is why you are bitter. Rubbish Paulie, you liar! There have never EVER been non Greeks allowed at a South Melbourne game... we screen at the gates for that sort of thing.... Deflection from the fact SMHellas has token interest in gaining support from other than mostly Greeks. Hellas has never changed. youve been trotting out year after year, seriously, why after all this time do you have so much hate.? ha ha you popped up on this forum a few months ago as a "new poster" pretending you didn't know if a-league clubs were member run or private entities etc so nice guess! PS you're not wrong about paulC. He started on this forum as a Hellas hating Victory supporter called Skinet I'm pretty sure. If you really have only been on this forum a few months or years, be thankful aha ROFL Do a poll and see how many like the Hellas propaganda and self entitlements. And what is a Skinet, is it like the other dozen or so multis thrown my way over time? I needed to peel myself off the ground regarding the bit about me a Victory supporter. Don't buy a lottery ticket David, LOL. Lol seriously its been years since I've shown my face in here and I feel like im in a time machine and nothings changed. Just pauly screeching EFFNIKS BAD over and over again. How many multis have you been so far? No multi's pauly but I know you missed me Liar Scotty. You were also banned. But I did miss you. Lol no pauly no ban for me m80
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+x+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
Yes I agree that many clubs have either moved or relocated or even amalgamated with other clubs ... I am well aware of Hellenic, Ajax and United merger, my great uncle played for Hellenic apparently in 58 or 59. But they didn't FOLD is my point, They arent businesses, they are soccer clubs.... Investment is great but are you sure the actual investors are interested in the same outcomes you are? I 100% agree that the NSD clubs and the NPL clubs should aim to be as professional as possible. My understanding is that at least the 32 clubs that agreed to fund the AAFC report want this exact same thing... Its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. If they can increase their revenue by playing in a nation wide competition, which according to their commissioned report findings they can, then all that money will go back into the club thereby raising their standards... They are not-for-profit sports clubs remember so its not like they can blow the money on bitcoin... I would love for there to be another 16 x clubs in the Australian milieu (sorry first time trying a new word which seems to resonate on here) that can offer players a full time wage, 2 to 3 training sessions a day, 30+ games a season etc etc and eventually lead to the Franchises wanting to join ranks with the rest of Australian Soccer, wouldn't you?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
Yes I agree that many clubs have either moved or relocated or even amalgamated with other clubs ... I am well aware of Hellenic, Ajax and United merger, my great uncle played for Hellenic apparently in 58 or 59. But they didn't FOLD is my point, They arent businesses, they are soccer clubs.... Investment is great but are you sure the actual investors are interested in the same outcomes you are? I 100% agree that the NSD clubs and the NPL clubs should aim to be as professional as possible. My understanding is that at least the 32 clubs that agreed to fund the AAFC report want this exact same thing... Its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. If they can increase their revenue by playing in a nation wide competition, which according to their commissioned report findings they can, then all that money will go back into the club thereby raising their standards... They are not-for-profit sports clubs remember so its not like they can blow the money on bitcoin... I would love for there to be another 16 x clubs in the Australian milieu (sorry first time trying a new word which seems to resonate on here) that can offer players a full time wage, 2 to 3 training sessions a day, 30+ games a season etc etc and eventually lead to the Franchises wanting to join ranks with the rest of Australian Soccer, wouldn't you? The AAFC clubs can’t have it both ways. Either they want the sport to grow or they don’t. There is no reason why a club that is serious about growing the sport and that wants to be in the NSD would accept anything less than full professionalism. Also from the A League clubs points of view, they’re going to want the NSD to be clubs who are willing to risk. Football at the top level is a business. Anyone in business knows if you add a business partner, you want them to do a couple of things 1. Add value to the business 2. Fully commit. The NSD clubs have to have ‘skin in the game’ if they want to join the A League, and if I was an A League club I’d be making sure they stood to lose big time if they couldn’t both fully commit and add some value to the business. An NSD must be fully professional for the A League to contemplate allowing promotion and relegation.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
Yes I agree that many clubs have either moved or relocated or even amalgamated with other clubs ... I am well aware of Hellenic, Ajax and United merger, my great uncle played for Hellenic apparently in 58 or 59. But they didn't FOLD is my point, They arent businesses, they are soccer clubs.... Investment is great but are you sure the actual investors are interested in the same outcomes you are? I 100% agree that the NSD clubs and the NPL clubs should aim to be as professional as possible. My understanding is that at least the 32 clubs that agreed to fund the AAFC report want this exact same thing... Its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. If they can increase their revenue by playing in a nation wide competition, which according to their commissioned report findings they can, then all that money will go back into the club thereby raising their standards... They are not-for-profit sports clubs remember so its not like they can blow the money on bitcoin... I would love for there to be another 16 x clubs in the Australian milieu (sorry first time trying a new word which seems to resonate on here) that can offer players a full time wage, 2 to 3 training sessions a day, 30+ games a season etc etc and eventually lead to the Franchises wanting to join ranks with the rest of Australian Soccer, wouldn't you? The AAFC clubs can’t have it both ways. Either they want the sport to grow or they don’t. There is no reason why a club that is serious about growing the sport and that wants to be in the NSD would accept anything less than full professionalism. Also from the A League clubs points of view, they’re going to want the NSD to be clubs who are willing to risk. Football at the top level is a business. Anyone in business knows if you add a business partner, you want them to do a couple of things 1. Add value to the business 2. Fully commit. The NSD clubs have to have ‘skin in the game’ if they want to join the A League, and if I was an A League club I’d be making sure they stood to lose big time if they couldn’t both fully commit and add some value to the business. An NSD must be fully professional for the A League to contemplate allowing promotion and relegation. That’s a pretty idiotic way of looking at it. How many current a-league clubs would still be around if there was no tv money being given to them to cover their wages, no sponsorship or tv money to cover the admin costs, instead, they had to dip into their pockets to fund the head office marketing and admin, and if there was no tv and sponsorship $ to cover their airfares and ref fees, which FFA pays for. And on top of that, thanks to the natural open structure, would get relegated from the get go. There wouldn’t be too many takers. let it grow and become fully professional organically.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
Yes I agree that many clubs have either moved or relocated or even amalgamated with other clubs ... I am well aware of Hellenic, Ajax and United merger, my great uncle played for Hellenic apparently in 58 or 59. But they didn't FOLD is my point, They arent businesses, they are soccer clubs.... Investment is great but are you sure the actual investors are interested in the same outcomes you are? I 100% agree that the NSD clubs and the NPL clubs should aim to be as professional as possible. My understanding is that at least the 32 clubs that agreed to fund the AAFC report want this exact same thing... Its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. If they can increase their revenue by playing in a nation wide competition, which according to their commissioned report findings they can, then all that money will go back into the club thereby raising their standards... They are not-for-profit sports clubs remember so its not like they can blow the money on bitcoin... I would love for there to be another 16 x clubs in the Australian milieu (sorry first time trying a new word which seems to resonate on here) that can offer players a full time wage, 2 to 3 training sessions a day, 30+ games a season etc etc and eventually lead to the Franchises wanting to join ranks with the rest of Australian Soccer, wouldn't you? The AAFC clubs can’t have it both ways. Either they want the sport to grow or they don’t. There is no reason why a club that is serious about growing the sport and that wants to be in the NSD would accept anything less than full professionalism. Also from the A League clubs points of view, they’re going to want the NSD to be clubs who are willing to risk. Football at the top level is a business. Anyone in business knows if you add a business partner, you want them to do a couple of things 1. Add value to the business 2. Fully commit. The NSD clubs have to have ‘skin in the game’ if they want to join the A League, and if I was an A League club I’d be making sure they stood to lose big time if they couldn’t both fully commit and add some value to the business. An NSD must be fully professional for the A League to contemplate allowing promotion and relegation. Hey Mark. Im not sure why you believe the AAFC guys and the 32 NPL clubs, in your oppinion, wouldn' want the sport to grow? I really dont understand where you are going with this all of the time? Do you honestly think that this is some sort of evil ethnic conspiracy to destroy the Aleague or something? As for your last point, agreed and so do the AAFC clubs, professionalism is the goal but to do that requires money and to get money they require a national league which will open up revenue streams they can use to better themselves..... I dont think anyone really wants or cares about pro_rel with Aleague for now, its enough to link the 99.9% of soccer participants, professional, semi professional, amature, district, church league etc etc and let the 12 Aleague titans stand alone on their glorious Mt Olympus (actually Mt Olympus may be a bit too ethnic, scratch that hehe) to protect their metrics and profit margins. Maybe one day, the rest of the football pyramid in Australia will be as professionaly run as CCM or Newcastle and can join the Aleague, you never know. Until then, this is the best that soccer in Australia can offer. If New Football can do better, thats great, get new investors to chip in money to franchise out a Bleague if thats what the APL wants and thinks ... irs been more than a week and apart from a few gaslighting articles by various lackeys the FA have not even acknowledged that this report is out......
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16 days now since AAFC report was published......... FA, APL, PGA, shit Vince Rugari even....... anyone? ......HELLOOOOOOOO! Has anyone read it yet???
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
Yes I agree that many clubs have either moved or relocated or even amalgamated with other clubs ... I am well aware of Hellenic, Ajax and United merger, my great uncle played for Hellenic apparently in 58 or 59. But they didn't FOLD is my point, They arent businesses, they are soccer clubs.... Investment is great but are you sure the actual investors are interested in the same outcomes you are? I 100% agree that the NSD clubs and the NPL clubs should aim to be as professional as possible. My understanding is that at least the 32 clubs that agreed to fund the AAFC report want this exact same thing... Its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. If they can increase their revenue by playing in a nation wide competition, which according to their commissioned report findings they can, then all that money will go back into the club thereby raising their standards... They are not-for-profit sports clubs remember so its not like they can blow the money on bitcoin... I would love for there to be another 16 x clubs in the Australian milieu (sorry first time trying a new word which seems to resonate on here) that can offer players a full time wage, 2 to 3 training sessions a day, 30+ games a season etc etc and eventually lead to the Franchises wanting to join ranks with the rest of Australian Soccer, wouldn't you? The AAFC clubs can’t have it both ways. Either they want the sport to grow or they don’t. There is no reason why a club that is serious about growing the sport and that wants to be in the NSD would accept anything less than full professionalism. Also from the A League clubs points of view, they’re going to want the NSD to be clubs who are willing to risk. Football at the top level is a business. Anyone in business knows if you add a business partner, you want them to do a couple of things 1. Add value to the business 2. Fully commit. The NSD clubs have to have ‘skin in the game’ if they want to join the A League, and if I was an A League club I’d be making sure they stood to lose big time if they couldn’t both fully commit and add some value to the business. An NSD must be fully professional for the A League to contemplate allowing promotion and relegation. That’s a pretty idiotic way of looking at it. How many current a-league clubs would still be around if there was no tv money being given to them to cover their wages, no sponsorship or tv money to cover the admin costs, instead, they had to dip into their pockets to fund the head office marketing and admin, and if there was no tv and sponsorship $ to cover their airfares and ref fees, which FFA pays for. And on top of that, thanks to the natural open structure, would get relegated from the get go. There wouldn’t be too many takers. let it grow and become fully professional organically. he has a very narrow and bitter mind towards NPL wouldn't worry about him.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xShouldn't we first look to expand to 20 teams? That means a lot more australians are playing in a professional environment. I think alot of people are missing the point for the reason of expansion, which is to develop more Australian players, coaches, admin, fans, media etc. To me many are focused on club development where it should be the other way around to develop our games development. Sorry disagree with this.... without clubs first and foremost there is NOBODY playing the game. Where do you expect these players to come from? Aah, but that's where you're wrong. Clubs come and go. The sport still goes on even when clubs fail and cease to exist. New clubs come in to replace them all the time. That is why it is so imperative to make sure the NSD is fully professional. Any new club can be created to come in and they will have players growing and improving. The health of the sport overall is more important than the health of a few clubs who can't make up their mind if they want to be amateur or professional. If those NPL clubs die, the lower quality players can come and join us at the strictly amateur real football clubs, and the top quality players can join professional clubs. That's the thing though Mark, clubs usually do NOT come and go that often (except for in the franchise system of course) Yes a lot of regional state league clubs may re-locate or amalgamate or even lose participants and thus support over time but in general most clubs below the A-league have been around for a very long time... People involved in those clubs (yes yes I know the ethnic NPL clubs are different and evil and money grubbing and ethnic and whatever else you want to say) are predominately volunteers and have a passion for the sport, do you not thing that they are interested in keeping soccer healthy for another 150 years? Why do you think they do it? Do you place your faith in the Aleague investors and administrators - Someone like Gallop who I am willing to bet just about anything up until he got booted out would have been asking to have the offside rule explained to him at every single game he attended? Mono, clubs do come and go all the time all around the world. Clubs merge or take over other clubs or change names or move locations all the time. Even look at the Victorian NPL clubs. South Melbourne is a club that formed through a merger in the 1950’s, Knights have played as Croatia, Essendon Croatia, Melbourne Knights and have moved suburbs at least 3 times, Heidelberg started out as Fitzroy, look at the Brunswick Juventus follow ons etc etc. It is simple. If a club wants to be at the top level it must make itself big enough and funded enough that it is a fully professional club fielding fully professional teams and giving young footballers the chance to play and train full time and improve.
This is what is best for the game.
There is plenty of investment to draw on, and the recent expansion licence bidding shows that.
If we want to improve, we shouldn’t be looking to lower standards to semi professional, we need the NPL clubs to raise their own standards.
Yes I agree that many clubs have either moved or relocated or even amalgamated with other clubs ... I am well aware of Hellenic, Ajax and United merger, my great uncle played for Hellenic apparently in 58 or 59. But they didn't FOLD is my point, They arent businesses, they are soccer clubs.... Investment is great but are you sure the actual investors are interested in the same outcomes you are? I 100% agree that the NSD clubs and the NPL clubs should aim to be as professional as possible. My understanding is that at least the 32 clubs that agreed to fund the AAFC report want this exact same thing... Its a "chicken or the egg" scenario. If they can increase their revenue by playing in a nation wide competition, which according to their commissioned report findings they can, then all that money will go back into the club thereby raising their standards... They are not-for-profit sports clubs remember so its not like they can blow the money on bitcoin... I would love for there to be another 16 x clubs in the Australian milieu (sorry first time trying a new word which seems to resonate on here) that can offer players a full time wage, 2 to 3 training sessions a day, 30+ games a season etc etc and eventually lead to the Franchises wanting to join ranks with the rest of Australian Soccer, wouldn't you? The AAFC clubs can’t have it both ways. Either they want the sport to grow or they don’t. There is no reason why a club that is serious about growing the sport and that wants to be in the NSD would accept anything less than full professionalism. Also from the A League clubs points of view, they’re going to want the NSD to be clubs who are willing to risk. Football at the top level is a business. Anyone in business knows if you add a business partner, you want them to do a couple of things 1. Add value to the business 2. Fully commit. The NSD clubs have to have ‘skin in the game’ if they want to join the A League, and if I was an A League club I’d be making sure they stood to lose big time if they couldn’t both fully commit and add some value to the business. An NSD must be fully professional for the A League to contemplate allowing promotion and relegation. That’s a pretty idiotic way of looking at it. How many current a-league clubs would still be around if there was no tv money being given to them to cover their wages, no sponsorship or tv money to cover the admin costs, instead, they had to dip into their pockets to fund the head office marketing and admin, and if there was no tv and sponsorship $ to cover their airfares and ref fees, which FFA pays for. And on top of that, thanks to the natural open structure, would get relegated from the get go. There wouldn’t be too many takers. let it grow and become fully professional organically. he has a very narrow and bitter mind towards NPL wouldn't worry about him. And a conspiracy theorist of the highest order that 'does his own research' because 'the MSM can't be trusted'. FFS.
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In October, JJ was asked (by Simon Hill) whether the FFA supports the introduction of a NSD. He claimed to be fully supportive, and said ...
"Conceptually we all agree, but what I haven't seen yet is practical data, documents, that show how it gets up and running".
Adding 2 plus 2 together, I figure that this statement by JJ was the catalyst for the AAFC putting together their report. By this I mean the AAFC's motivation in producing the report may have at least partially been to call JJ's bluff and remove the excuses. JJ is always quick to promote things he's on board with with multiple media appearances. I am really surprised that 'Shim Spider and Moore' or 'The World Game' have not interviewed JJ on the AAFC's white paper. Perhaps they have offered to host an interview and he declined.
JJ likes to say "we need to control the narrative". I hoped that meant creating positive stories. Perhaps it also means be silent on issues the FA don't support.
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He likes the concept. Did you hear that - “concept” LOL.
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+xIn October, JJ was asked (by Simon Hill) whether the FFA supports the introduction of a NSD. He claimed to be fully supportive, and said ... "Conceptually we all agree, but what I haven't seen yet is practical data, documents, that show how it gets up and running". Adding 2 plus 2 together, I figure that this statement by JJ was the catalyst for the AAFC putting together their report. By this I mean the AAFC's motivation in producing the report may have at least partially been to call JJ's bluff and remove the excuses. JJ is always quick to promote things he's on board with with multiple media appearances. I am really surprised that 'Shim Spider and Moore' or 'The World Game' have not interviewed JJ on the AAFC's white paper. Perhaps they have offered to host an interview and he declined. JJ likes to say "we need to control the narrative". I hoped that meant creating positive stories. Perhaps it also means be silent on issues the FA don't support. Exactly.... JJ and the funky bunch may 'conceptually' want it to happen but tbe cartel of faceless investors will fight it tooth and nail, all the way. If the FA even had a tiny sliver of care for tbe 99.9% of clubs under its federation, movement on this would have been heralded by all at head office, even if just to say they are considering the findings of the working group and will evaluate and present their conclusions in due time..... Instead they are frantically trying to drive negotiations for a broadcast deal that ends in 4 months, as if anyone actually gives a f#ck how much money the 0.1% of soccer in this country makes?
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+xIn October, JJ was asked (by Simon Hill) whether the FFA supports the introduction of a NSD. He claimed to be fully supportive, and said ... "Conceptually we all agree, but what I haven't seen yet is practical data, documents, that show how it gets up and running". Adding 2 plus 2 together, I figure that this statement by JJ was the catalyst for the AAFC putting together their report. By this I mean the AAFC's motivation in producing the report may have at least partially been to call JJ's bluff and remove the excuses. JJ is always quick to promote things he's on board with with multiple media appearances. I am really surprised that 'Shim Spider and Moore' or 'The World Game' have not interviewed JJ on the AAFC's white paper. Perhaps they have offered to host an interview and he declined. JJ likes to say "we need to control the narrative". I hoped that meant creating positive stories. Perhaps it also means be silent on issues the FA don't support. Give JJ a break will you, he is actually really busy doing other more important football work (like changing all the stationary from FFA to FA) and NSD can wait it’s turn
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+x+xIn October, JJ was asked (by Simon Hill) whether the FFA supports the introduction of a NSD. He claimed to be fully supportive, and said ... "Conceptually we all agree, but what I haven't seen yet is practical data, documents, that show how it gets up and running". Adding 2 plus 2 together, I figure that this statement by JJ was the catalyst for the AAFC putting together their report. By this I mean the AAFC's motivation in producing the report may have at least partially been to call JJ's bluff and remove the excuses. JJ is always quick to promote things he's on board with with multiple media appearances. I am really surprised that 'Shim Spider and Moore' or 'The World Game' have not interviewed JJ on the AAFC's white paper. Perhaps they have offered to host an interview and he declined. JJ likes to say "we need to control the narrative". I hoped that meant creating positive stories. Perhaps it also means be silent on issues the FA don't support. Give JJ a break will you, he is actually really busy doing other more important football work (like changing all the stationary from FFA to FA) and NSD can wait it’s turn That should keep him gainfully occupied until the 2023 WWC...................LOL!!! After all it ONLY took him 12 months to finalise the separation of the league!............................A simple job that any "barely competent" CEO could have accomplished in less than 2 months!!! I strongly suspect that when his tenure is completed, he will have accomplished NOTHING else of any value to the game!!! Seriously though, Jimmy "the Weasel" has proven himself to be a totally worthless blood sucking parasite. And he will continue leeching off the game until after 2023, when he will "do a Lowy" and quietly sneak out the backdoor after the WWC having fleeced the game of millions in revenue and leaving the game in a total mess for the next sucker to fix. And like the two Lowy's before him, this weasel will get away with it "scott free", because the FA leadership don't have the balls to make these fraudsters pay a heavy personal price for their betrayal of the sport! I for one feel that an example needs to be made of this "charlatan" by organising and presenting a petition to FIFA asking them to ban this a**hole from Football for life!!!
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+x+xIn October, JJ was asked (by Simon Hill) whether the FFA supports the introduction of a NSD. He claimed to be fully supportive, and said ... "Conceptually we all agree, but what I haven't seen yet is practical data, documents, that show how it gets up and running". Adding 2 plus 2 together, I figure that this statement by JJ was the catalyst for the AAFC putting together their report. By this I mean the AAFC's motivation in producing the report may have at least partially been to call JJ's bluff and remove the excuses. JJ is always quick to promote things he's on board with with multiple media appearances. I am really surprised that 'Shim Spider and Moore' or 'The World Game' have not interviewed JJ on the AAFC's white paper. Perhaps they have offered to host an interview and he declined. JJ likes to say "we need to control the narrative". I hoped that meant creating positive stories. Perhaps it also means be silent on issues the FA don't support. Exactly.... JJ and the funky bunch may 'conceptually' want it to happen but tbe cartel of faceless investors will fight it tooth and nail, all the way. If the FA even had a tiny sliver of care for tbe 99.9% of clubs under its federation, movement on this would have been heralded by all at head office, even if just to say they are considering the findings of the working group and will evaluate and present their conclusions in due time..... Instead they are frantically trying to drive negotiations for a broadcast deal that ends in 4 months, as if anyone actually gives a f#ck how much money the 0.1% of soccer in this country makes? If the game were to rid itself, of Jimmy "the Weasel" and replaced him with a $30K per year Bunnings manager type, his $500K salary could almost cover the setup and running costs of the new FA TV!!! FA TV could then create a monopoly whereby "ALL Football" - including local & international - can ONLY be accessed through the FA TV vehicle and everyone who wants/needs the match scores, video footage, news, in fact anything to do with Football, would have to pay the FA for access to the content!!!
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+x+x+xIn October, JJ was asked (by Simon Hill) whether the FFA supports the introduction of a NSD. He claimed to be fully supportive, and said ... "Conceptually we all agree, but what I haven't seen yet is practical data, documents, that show how it gets up and running". Adding 2 plus 2 together, I figure that this statement by JJ was the catalyst for the AAFC putting together their report. By this I mean the AAFC's motivation in producing the report may have at least partially been to call JJ's bluff and remove the excuses. JJ is always quick to promote things he's on board with with multiple media appearances. I am really surprised that 'Shim Spider and Moore' or 'The World Game' have not interviewed JJ on the AAFC's white paper. Perhaps they have offered to host an interview and he declined. JJ likes to say "we need to control the narrative". I hoped that meant creating positive stories. Perhaps it also means be silent on issues the FA don't support. Exactly.... JJ and the funky bunch may 'conceptually' want it to happen but tbe cartel of faceless investors will fight it tooth and nail, all the way. If the FA even had a tiny sliver of care for tbe 99.9% of clubs under its federation, movement on this would have been heralded by all at head office, even if just to say they are considering the findings of the working group and will evaluate and present their conclusions in due time..... Instead they are frantically trying to drive negotiations for a broadcast deal that ends in 4 months, as if anyone actually gives a f#ck how much money the 0.1% of soccer in this country makes? If the game were to rid itself, of Jimmy "the Weasel" and replaced him with a $30K per year Bunnings manager type, his $500K salary could almost cover the setup and running costs of the new FA TV!!! FA TV could then create a monopoly whereby "ALL Football" - including local & international - can ONLY be accessed through the FA TV vehicle and everyone who wants/needs the match scores, video footage, news, in fact anything to do with Football, would have to pay the FA for access to the content!!! Hey, where can I find a 30K a year manager? Seriously, looking to expand the business and needing a few more staff.
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Anyone else completely unsurprised that the response of Soccer Australia... I mean the FA, is that of a resounding silence to the efforts of 3rd parties to actually drive the game forward. But hey, I guess we can be excited that they haven't categorically stated that it's never going to happen. FFS, what a bunch of fuck wits.
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Hold your hats everyone. I'm sure talks are going on behind the scenes. JJ has consistently spoken of the need for an NSD, which is absolutely a change from the Lowy era.
That said I'm sure the FA are going to undertake their own study of a second division probably so they can control the modelling. The danger is that they'll settle on this mooted expanded national play-off series for the NPL, which would be a total bust. There are already national play-offs and there is very little interest in them (much less than for the existing state-based finals series). Hopefully the modelling tells them this. Apart from that I'd be fine either way if they decide on a north/south conference system or a single league, just so long as something is in the pipeline, and hopefully with a winter 2023 kick-off
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+xAnyone else completely unsurprised that the response of Soccer Australia... I mean the FA, is that of a resounding silence to the efforts of 3rd parties to actually drive the game forward. But hey, I guess we can be excited that they haven't categorically stated that it's never going to happen. FFS, what a bunch of fuck wits. The sad thing is General, that the FA actually needs a 3rd party organization to drive the game forward.... A bunch of tinpot, ethnic, marginilized volunteers (plus whatever other slurs the new dawn disciples havevlabeled them) when the actual federation focus all their resources on only one of the 100s of leagues actually run by them.....
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