Sorry , When you said bidding I thought you meant bidding.

Meeting the licensing. criteria is a simple Yes or No, there is no Best Bid. This is fundamental to P&R.

Once you meet the minimum criteria, the only bid you can make is on the park.

As it should be.

How do you get the fist 12 teams from all the different NPLs without "bidding" to/from within the AAFC?

Yeah im guessing they have to either do bids or a draw for the initial 12

1. Pass the license criteria
2. Win your State NPL
3. Fill remaining spots by playing football. Team that scores the most is the winner.

17 years of AL brainwashing seems hard to undo

Fair question and one that will be the most challenging to answer fairly.
The licencing criteria will (should) be fairly stringent so I am guessing it will automatically rule out 3/4 of the clubs in NPL as it stands... of the remaining 30 or 40 I reckon only half would be in any position (right now) to want to or be able to compete nationally. I think it will be something along the lines of allocating a geographically component to selection ie 3 from VIC, 3 from NSW, 2 x from SA, 2 x from QLD, 1 from WA, ACT, TAS and NNSW and then, based on applications, award the first seasons participation to the strongets clubs based on criteria... after that its dog eat dog........ happy days.

Gyfox, the "arms race" has commenced. Its amazing what the sniff of aspiration will do to the football ecosystem in my opinion.

South just signed a major sponsorship deal for the next two years in anticipation, watch this space for many clubs to follow suit.

https://www.smfc.com.au/record-sponsorship-agreement-with-cf-capital/

Even this doesn't give you the best teams on solely football based criteria when starting from our current 10 separate systems.

You are being rude, arrogant and obnoxious for no reason. They are legitimate questions. You have to start from somewhere and I'm willing to bet even the AAFC won't just choose the winner from each state when push comes to shove.

You yourself have added license criteria which isn;t about putting the ball in the back of the net dickhead

It's an interesting idea though choosing the winner from each npl then maybe the next 2 from each NPL to play maybe a single rd season or something in summer to choose the final entrants. Would 100% be watching it if it happened.

Exactly!!
You have to artificially pick the first set of clubs based on SOMETHING other than pure results.
From then it's game on.

You'd think within about 3-5 seasons the top dogs (20 teams interchanging for 16 places sort of thing) would be fairly set.

If you don't meet the criteria you can't enter. That is why it is #1

I've stated it several times and referred everyone to the source document.

If you don't think winning your State NPL qualifies as "qualification through a promotion/selection process involving competitive football matches" I really can't help you.

Yet again I will also state that their is NO BIDDING in the AAFC proposal.

Think what you like.  The AAFC document is there and it clearly states you qualify by playing football.

SMFC may think being 'the biggest' will get them in but they will need to change the AAFC partner groups stated aims in order to do so.

They should perhaps spend the sponsorship cash on better players ?

Might be fun to save this page for sharing before Rd1 of the 2nd Division kicks off

Draw the fuckers out of a hat.

...umm OK  Nobody supports the AAFC and the wonderful work they have done so far more than me champ but when they become the football federation in this country and are tasked with setting up and administering this league then perhaps you can perhaps point to their WHITE PAPER PROPOSAL as your "source material" until then nobody outside of the FA has any idea what the selection process for the NST will be..... AAFC is a bunch of clubs, loby group if you will, wanting this to happen.

BTW If you dont think the SMFC is the "biggest" club outside the Aleague then either you are feeble minded or just a biggot, either way if the selection process involves having to play to qualify for this competition I for one will be thrilled..... If we dont get in the first year, I can guarantee you we will, sooner rather than later... go direct your anger elsewhere bud I think we want the same things in the end.

Base it on how many national titles each has won maybe? hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sure, FA can try and implement a different way on these clubs, or none at all. But until then this is the only NSD model proposal we know about.

http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/uploads/9/8/8/1/9881717/aafc_nsd_final_report__22.02.22_.pdf

BTW , I don't care if SMFC are 'the biggest' I only care that all teams earn their place on the field.

Sorry if your fingers were burnt trying to buy yourselves a spot in the AL, but maybe its time to stop screaming racism every time you don't get your own way.

Well this is escalating quickly haha

in any case i dont think the proposal makes it clear how selection in the first year works but is clear how it will work after that

npl central is profiling clubs regularly asking them why they should be in the nsd. It seems to suggest the first year will be based on some bids or selection with p and r from year 2

The AAFC don't make decisions for football.  That is the role of the Board of FA on the advice of the executive led by Johnson or by the executive under delegation from the Board.  The AAFC has done a great job of bringing the thoughts of their members together and both their original and recent document are fairly well thought through.  In the final wash up there will be compromise and in my view practicality will win out over philosophical nit picking which is what the idea of playing off for spots in the new entity is.  Let a transparent process decide who gets in and then allow P/R to provide all clubs below the NSD the opportunity to compete to get in over time on football merit.

Great news.  The more money coming in to football the better.

Not difficult really, should be done fairly by having these culturally rich clubs first, then add afew until there is pro/rel:

Sydney Utd                  South Melbourne          Adelaide City         
Sydney Olympic        Melbourne Knights      Canberra team
Marconi Stallions      Preston Lions                 Tasmanian team  
Apia Leichhardt         Heidelberg Utd              Brisbane team                                 
                                                                                       (Lions, Strikers or Peninsula Power) 
I didn't forget WA. Glory the only decent candidate, already in the A League.  

There is a small chance i could land a permanent job in oakleigh next year. Would be great if they are in the nsd

Excluding non culturally rich who finish higher ?

Sounds fair

If you are including culturally rich clubs then Balgownie FC which has been in existence since 1883 would have to get the nod over late comers like  Sydney United, Olympic, Marconi and Apia.  ;)

Hahahahahahahah hahahahahahhahahah I think they may have to perhaps get an eftpos terminal first before they can pass the club licensing requirements.... Get another club to follow mate..:)

Its not about getting my own way..... you are arguing against someone that agrees with you ffs...... listen to yourself.
I don't want to be "granted" a spot at the NSD table either, I'd much rather compete for it... The point is to START IT.... There have to be 12 or 14 or 16 clubs in year one of this league yeah? The AAFC members are approx 30 something NPL clubs that got together and decided on a model they see as being achievable.. Some of those 30 clubs reason financially they can put their hand up to play nationally right now, others want to know what the league will look like and want to know what sort of changes they need to make to be able to get to a level that they can compete.....  Outside the 15-20 AAFC  clubs that want to start in 2023, there are another 150 odd NPL clubs who may want to be in it too but have been waiting, non committed on the sidelines for the FA ( not the AAFC, or South Melbourne Hellas or FTBL forumites) to release details of league structure and define what the application process will be... Could be 40 or 50 clubs that want to compete, how do you decide??? .......  .

You don't care if SMFC are the biggest but you throw your jealous little jabs criticising a club whose ambitions exceeds the racist limitations imposed on it by a filthy apphartheid system . A system that is failing Australian soccer, the Socceroos, the Matildas, the grassroots, and everyone that loves the game. Thank God after 17 years, it is finally coming to an end.   AAFC chairman Nick Galatas and original founding/steering committee chairman Tom Kalas were both South Melbourne FC board members first mate.... Where do you think the push for the second division comes from primarily?  

Absolutely. 

Nope, don't know Balgownie, they are not even in a position to compete in a NSD.
Right, this is a lesson for the FA/APL as well, get away from Sterile football and start to think Virile football.
How many of you do not admit to being familiar with Harry Michaels and Aerobics Oz Style?
Infact, Number 96?

There are currently two WA clubs in the AAFC - Perth SC and Bayswater. Both are the only two clubs likely to nominate themselves for the NSD - assuming it is forthcoming in the next year or two - if creation continues to drag on some other clubs might be in the mix.
And to summarise one of the other arguments - Floreat Athena currently top of NPL WA - and assuming they go on to win it I can tell you now the NSD is not on their radar at this stage. 

Canberra Croatia.