Hoping that we do hear about a NSD soon. I am looking forward to it.

It's enforced but it's pennies.

Yeah, But not sure how strictly it has been enforced in Australia. 

When a player signs his first professional contract a training fee is supposed to be paid and divided between all the clubs that the player paid for previously.

Yes. That may also be the team they were playing seniors at before joining an AL team. The whole point of this conversation is to bring in to the spotlight how this new rule will allow NPL clubs or State League clubs who have the resources, the freedom to offer contracts to players 18 and over who are keen to stay, so that AL teams can't just come in and take players away with little to no reimbursement other than a thanks.

If players under 18 want to leave thats fine, but giving them an option to stay and letting the player make a decision would be a better thing for football here.

I feel as though we are arguing for the same thing, but I'm just seeing this from the perspective of the grassroots, and you're seeing it from the eyes of the elite.  

Perfect example, The Kuol brothers left GVS at 15 and 16 years old. Do you think a senior contract is enforceable if even legal on a 15 yo?

So you're saying that a club should be reimbursing another club because they were trained at the original club as a child.

Matt Hatch was a Umina eagle in the U7s where's their reimbursement.

Besides most can't and haven't signed senior contracts, so now your talking about what? Reimbursement for players that chose to leave former junior clubs to advance there careers?

Jordan Segreto - Manly United
Teng Kuol - GVS 
Garang Kuol GVS
Jackson Khoury - Sydney United
Damian Tsekenis - Marconi Stallions
Dor Jok - Cockburn/Knights
Aidan Milicevic - Marconi Stallions
Lawrence Caruso - Dandenong City
Jakob Cresnar - Edgeworth
Mikey Katsoulis - Gungahlin United 
Harry Talbot - Sunshine Coast Wanderers

Plus 

Nikola Skataric - Sydney FC
Ricardo Rizzo - Uruguay

All players above were at some stage involved with their respective teams senior sides.

This is a good thing, but for the sake of this argument it isn't

Lachlan Bayliss - Mariner since 16
Patrick Beach - From Glenmore Park, Mariner since 18
Lawrence Caruso - Mariner since 16
Jakob Cresnar -  an Edgeworth eagle, signed last year aged 22
Josh Hong - Mariner sInce 17
Dor Jok - Mariner since 21, last year played 260 minutes with Melbourne Knights after coming from the west can't really claim that one.
Maksin Kasalovic - Mariner sInce 17
Michael Katsoulis - Mariner sInce 17
Jackson Khoury - Mariner since 17
Sasha Kuzevski - Mariner SInce 14
Dean Larson - Mariner Since 15
Harry McCarthy - Mariner sInce 18, came from Sydney FC
Ricardo Rizzo - Mariner since 20, signed as a free agent from a uragyan club
Harry Talbot - Mariner SInce 18, from Brisbane Roar
Bradley Tapp - Mariner SInce 18, Believe he's a junior can't confirm.
Cameron Windust - CC Junior
Zac Zoricich - Mariner SInce 19, came from NZ.


8 came onboard as 18+, of them:

2 came from overseas.
2 came from other aleague Academies
1- Beach - Signed at 18 from Glenmore(But may have been earlier). So is unlikely to have been on a senior contract.
1- Jok - played 260 minutes for his last club in 6 games, but they didn't develop him he came from west, which tells me a academy contract was the plan all along.
1- Cresner - came from NNPL Egdeworth Eagles.
1- unknown- couldn't source Junior history.



Not really the 50% "Poached" NPL Players described.

Half the CCM first team squad in FL2  is made up of poached NPL players. Lol.

Central coast doesn't rely on NPL to fill our roster we don't have a current NPL Player in the side, we do now rely on our own academies.

But you watch how many NPL Players end up moving to the ALeague Now.

They were in charge of the ALeague for 15 years.

Urena - Free Transfer
Cummings - Dirt Cheap
Bozanic - Free Agent
Birighitti - Free Transfer
Koul - under the previous NPL rules.

The Mariners don't have money. Make em pay, see what happens to the NPLs promising players.

The FFA, and APL is basically shitting on football in this country.

Need the DTS asap. The only fear is the A League clubs that are at the bottom end of the spectrum having to outlay for NPL players. 
Mariners have been able to aquire the services of Urenia, Cummins, Bozanic, Birrighitti and Koul among others lately so they can pay for NPL players as well.
The football ecosystem needs to go to the next level. Also, either get rid of the Salary Crap or raise it so it is insignificant to about $8 mil. 
Football being continuously hamstrung is a pain in the ass. If any NSD teams over run any of the A League teams, so be it. 
I'd like to watch South Melbourne take on Western Melbourne Utd at their initial homeground in Tarneit, 5k capacity, very curious.

Aha!!!!!!!!! :)

That makes no difference whatsoever considering we have been in a pandemic for the past 2 years…

This hypothetically then improves the standard of play, which in turn closes the gap between AL and NPL and increases the likelihood of an expanded top division and second division.

FFA where in charge of the Aleague and barely even knew the "sport" outside of this even existed 18 months ago...... things seem to be changing for the better.

Huddo, I see your point and I guess from the perspective of clubs like CCM and whoever else usually relies on the NPL to fill their rosters the answer is to change tack and rely on their own academies as a source of players instead. The double edged sword for the APL though is that this new found (and extremely welcome) source of funding injected into the player economy will create a stronger desire for players to stay the course within grassroots and clubland rather than end up at APL "farms" where they can be traded away for nothing. Watch NPL clubs start tying up promising U19s to 3 or 4 year contracts and offering other NPL players from around the traps 2-3 year contracts as well.... Especially if their is incentive to stay/play in a national division.... I predicted a possible arms race if the NSD ever got up and running, now with no cap on transfers I can almost guarantee it.

Look man you've gotta start somewhere. I'll happily shit on CCM if it means the other thousand clubs around Australia, become included in the Australian football eco-system. 

I'm hopeful this will soon apply to AL clubs in due course, in which case that is the 'whole picture.' But we don't even know if this will even work yet, but its good to see something happen nonetheless.

FFA were incharge of the sport, before the decoupling 18 months ago.

To be fair don't blame Football Australia for implementing this, because they are doing this for the best interests for the whole sport not just for 11 a-league clubs.
Agree it will hurt CCM/Adelaide etc whom rely on the NPL market but you should blame this on certain sections in the APL whom seemly don't want it and whom don't use the NPL system for talent.

It really shows what is the true intentions for the APL is it to benefit themselves and milk everything from the game here or is to help the benefit for the sport?  They if they say they want the sport to benefit then why are they reluctant to introduce this policy at a-league level if it means no salary cap? 

NPL being the "Big Picture", not DTS, player progression or fairness in top tier trading.

Advancement of football in this country is the "Big Picture", half measures don't cut it. When you shit on clubs like CCM, it doesn't help the league, it doesn't help the players, and believe it or not it will not help the NPL clubs

I'm looking at this new initiative from the lens of an NPL1, 2, 3, 4 club. Couldn't care less about the A-League because in the report it didn't say it was coming into effect. Everything I've written relays to how this effects NPL clubs lol. 

Is it?

I'm a central coast fan, look at the other clubs rosters and the players histories, why the fuck would I not want a DTS?

if we get 200k off Macauther for Lewis Miller, we invest that into getting more (NPL and CCM juniors), but we got nothing and so that will trickle down.