National second division is kicking off with or without FFA


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bluebird - 19 Aug 2019 4:20 PM
It wasnt the NSL that was destructive but rather the governance of the sport, which they have been in the A League as well (the FFA is almost as bad of a name)

As always you tell part of the story. The governance and stakeholders were also the NSL club executives who selfishly looked after their own club rather than what benefited the game. Then you have the clubs themselves who simply catered for their own mono ethnic community.

At the end the NSL was represented by only 3 ethnic groups (out of 200) across the board - Croatians, Greeks and Italians. The mainstream clubs that came on board showed the potential however they were in a basket with rotten apples.

The NSL had it's place and deserves it's place in history but we must learn from the past.


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bettega - 19 Aug 2019 6:44 PM
paladisious - 19 Aug 2019 5:49 PM

As we struggle along to 11 teams for the 2nd time in our 15 year history, it's worth remembering that at its peak, the NSL had 24 teams (and took less than 10 years to get there)

And a couple of years or so to dismantle after it started. Conference produced poor teams and even a poorer league that it was.


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‘Hellas’ Melbourne celebrates 60-year anniversary As one of the most historic football clubs in Australia celebrates an important milestone, we step back to look at its most significant accomplishments Alex Anyfantis As one of the most historic football clubs in Australia celebrates an important milestone, we step back to look at its most significant accomplishments It was back in 1959, when former president of Hellenic FC, Theo Marmaras suggested the merger of his own club, alongside Yarra Park Ajax and South Melbourne United, in order to create a team with a stronger supporter base. That team was dubbed “South Melbourne Hellas” in honour of the majority of the fans that came from the Greek community, and went on to write its own history in the annals of Australian football. Since then, South has gone on to become a powerhouse in its own right, lifting a number of trophies up until today and becoming the foundation upon which a number of players built their careers. The fact that they won their first piece of silverware in their inaugural participation within the Victorian First Division North Championship in 1960 was only evident of the huge success that was to follow, as they went on to win the Victorian State League (VSL) in 1962, in what was just their second year in the state tournament. ‘Hellas’ then went on to win back-to-back championships for three consecutive seasons (1964, 1965, 1966), yet what followed was a long dry spell for the club, that saw them missing out on the championship title for the next eight years. One of the first ever South Melbourne teams that took part in the Victorian State Leagues in the early 1960’s. Yet the introduction of Bill Curran as head coach saw him inject new blood into the team, with players such as Jim Armstrong, Steve Walker and Ulysses Kokkinos leading the pack. READ MORE: South Melbourne pays tribute to NK founder… but greatness never dies The club returned to its natural place in 1972, clinching the title ahead of rivals George Cross, a feat they would repeat in seasons 1974 and 1976. South also won their first Dockerty Cup in 1974, beating Wilhelmina in the final, 4-1, a feat that they repeated the next season, this time against Sunshine (2-1). The year 1977 however, brought many dramatic changes both inside the club and out, with the departure of key players such as Armstrong, Walker, Jim Mackay and Peter Bourne among others, who had played a crucial role in solidifying South’s position among the best of Australian football. As if that wasn’t enough, this was the year that the National Soccer League (NSL) was introduced to the Australian Football Community, leaving the club in a highly vulnerable position in its first seasons within the tournament. It’s worth noting that up until 1984, their highest achievement was finishing in third place (1978). Yet with the arrival of John Margaritis at the helm of the club, things slowly began to change. He brought a number of new players to South, including Branko Buljevic, Alun Evans, George Campbell and Alan Davidson, that started to turn things around and heralded a winning spirit into the dressing rooms. This all escalated during the 1983/84 season, which coincidentally was also the season when the play-off procedure was first introduced into Australian football. South Melbourne took first place in the regular season, going on to beat Sydney Olympic 4-2 on aggregate in the double finals. Yet, despite their great success, the following season saw them knocked out early in the play-offs, putting an early end to their success. The end of the 1980’s saw South struggling in the middle of the table, with the only exception being the 1987/88 season where they finished third and made it all the way to the semi-finals, only to be knocked out by Marconi. That same season, the club was also awarded the Dockerty Cup, after Melbourne Croatia attempted to use an ineligible player in the final. READ MORE: Hellas is not a dirty word – reply to Chris Nikou’s open letter to ‘soccer family’ Brazilian legend Romario besides Paul Trimboli, as Vasco Da Gama and South Melbourne players come out of the dressing rooms for their game during the FIFA World Club Championships. What followed however could only be described as the club’s “golden age”, as during the 90’s South Melbourne won three championships (while participating in the play-offs another six times), four Dockerty Cups and on Charity Shield, featuring players and staff members such as the late Ferenc Puskas, Paul Trimboli, Angelos Postecoglou, Kimon Taliadoros, Peter Tsolakis and Steve Blair. The pinnacle of their success came on the 1998/99 season that saw them win the Oceania Championship in a final against Nadi, then go on to represent the continent in the FIFA World Club Championship in Brazil. Speaking to Neos Kosmos, former club treasurer Peter Skrepetis fondly remembers those days: “In my 28 years with Hellas, that was the greatest thing that ever happened to the club. We went there with Angelos (Postecoglou) as our coach and we had a very good team, we played against teams like Manchester United and Necaxa from Mexico and even though we lost all three games we played, it was only by a small margin. “We had overall good results. Those were very good times. The chairman then was Mr Giorgos Vasilopoulos and he took with him almost the entire board of the club. We had a fantastic time. “For us that served South Melbourne for all those years, that was the greatest gift to have the opportunity to travel to Brazil”. However the next few years weren’t met with a similar level of success and in 2005 the foundations of the sport in Australia were shaken to their core with what many people consider to be a huge step back for the sport: the A-League was introduced, bringing with it a slew of entirely new franchises to Australian football, while the clubs that belonged to the NSL were forced to return to their respective State Leagues (now dubbed “National Premier Leagues” – NPL). Since then, South Melbourne has won the NPL a total of three times (2006, 2014, 2016), yet now the club seems more focused on finding its rightful place within the Australian football community. South Melbourne chairman Nick Maikousis points out his most important moment with the club to Neos Kosmos, while also stating their intentions for the future: “For me personally it had to be (Ange) Postecoglou’s first championship with us (1998) and the reason for that is because my father had passed away a week leading up to the final. He was the one that took me to the club when I was two-years-old. I also recall then-president George Vasilopoulos draping a scarf over my father’s coffin. So that was a very big, emotional week for me,” Mr Maikousis says. “It’s all very good to talk about our history, but frankly it’s all about us writing our own history moving forward. We need to be recognised as a significant football brand in this country and broader Asia and we hope to accomplish that through The Championship, which is the new Second Division.”

https://neoskosmos.com/en/144825/60-years-hellas-melbourne/



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scott20won - 27 Aug 2019 2:15 PM
Pay walled

”Herald Sun Ambitious clubs will be welcomed to submit bids for a national second ... Herald Sun-för 3 timmar sedan ... second tier indicates that the number of submissions could exceed the 15 Football Federation Australia received for the recent A-League expansion process, ...”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/ambitious-clubs-will-be-welcomed-to-submit-bids-for-a-national-second-division-to-sit-beneath-aleague/news-story/30842b72c8a403d82e3750356714232b



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Pay walled

”Herald Sun Ambitious clubs will be welcomed to submit bids for a national second ... Herald Sun-för 3 timmar sedan ... second tier indicates that the number of submissions could exceed the 15 Football Federation Australia received for the recent A-League expansion process, ...”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/ambitious-clubs-will-be-welcomed-to-submit-bids-for-a-national-second-division-to-sit-beneath-aleague/news-story/30842b72c8a403d82e3750356714232b

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It's bizarre how things have changed for FFA.
Once they were dead against a second division.They didnt want to dilute the value of the HAL.
Now?
If you consider that the FFA is primarily run by state federations it actually makes sense to run their own competition.


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On the one hand, it makes sense the FFA would use its resources to kickstart the concept, but the fact that they think it will become some sort of cash cow, for them, is surprising to say the least.

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libel - 27 Aug 2019 8:12 AM
Burztur - 27 Aug 2019 7:48 AM

Apparently not LOL

So true libel. Slap in face etc
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Burztur - 27 Aug 2019 7:48 AM
Surely the (new) FFA realise that The Championship isn’t some cash cow that can be exploited...

Apparently not LOL
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Burztur - 27 Aug 2019 7:48 AM
Surely the FFA realise that The Championship isn’t some cash cow that can be exploited...

The bloated game playing politicking FFA bureaucracy always needs something to fuck up on regular basis.  The A League, Socceroos, the Matildas so it's only logical that they turn their inherent incompetency to the 2nd Division.  
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Surely the FFA realise that The Championship isn’t some cash cow that can be exploited...
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scott20won - 27 Aug 2019 3:35 AM

“It will be the main focus of the FFA over the coming years with control of the A-League and it’s revenue set to be relinquished by Australian football’s governing body.”

Even though these are the writers words it is a sorry state of affairs if true.

Implying FFA is looking to squeeze as much money out of it as possible instead of creating something to produce the best players/competitive environment.



The FFA’s involvement in this is quite frankly alarming and makes a mockery of the threads title. Let’s hope they don’t stuff it up and, unlike the HAL, when the clubs decide they would like to go independent they can do so without the FFA putting them through a 5 year acid bath. 
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“It will be the main focus of the FFA over the coming years with control of the A-League and it’s revenue set to be relinquished by Australian football’s governing body.”

Even though these are the writers words it is a sorry state of affairs if true.

Implying FFA is looking to squeeze as much money out of it as possible instead of creating something to produce the best players/competitive environment.



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It will be the main focus of the FFA over the coming years with control of the A-League and it’s revenue set to be relinquished by Australian football’s governing body.

The committee includes Women’s Football Council Committee member Sue Crow, Football Federation South Australia President Sam Ciccarello, Football Victoria President Kimon Taliadoros, Newcastle Jets CEO Lawrie McKinna, PFA Chief Executive John Didulica, Australian Association of Football Clubs Chairman Nick Galatas and AAFC Treasurer Christo Patsan.



“Socceroos head coach Graham Arnold and FFA Technical Director Rob Sherman will also be co-opted onto the committee as advisers to technical matters.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/new-national-second-division-championship-moves-step-closer/news-story/ea7478f860ed5636dbfa8ffc6630d86e



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NSL has too much baggage, rightly or wrongly, attached to it.

A2 would do me but whatever, just get on with it.


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paladisious - 19 Aug 2019 5:49 PM
bettega - 19 Aug 2019 5:16 PM

Making even the most oblique positive inference towards the split conference top tier system should be a life ban.

As we struggle along to 11 teams for the 2nd time in our 15 year history, it's worth remembering that at its peak, the NSL had 24 teams (and took less than 10 years to get there)

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bluebird - 19 Aug 2019 4:20 PM

It's not a bad analogy.  At the end of the day, the NSL existed for so many years, we want the second division to be national, we're hoping the old clubs will get into it, why not continue using the name?

Put it this way, if the new second division was as big as the old NSL, would we all not view that as a huge success?  Many may not be aware that at one point, the NSL had 24 teams in it. 

Making even the most oblique positive inference towards the split conference top tier system should be a life ban.
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bluebird - 19 Aug 2019 4:20 PM
I quite like NSL to be honest

A bit like how the VFA took the VFL name and became an unofficial second tier to the AFL

It wasnt the NSL that was destructive but rather the governance of the sport, which they have been in the A League as well (the FFA is almost as bad of a name)

Calling it the NSL, particularly if it has ex NSL teams, would be a fitting tribute especially as we look towards P/R one day. Its about returning teams to an equivalent league of investment and interest but with the opportunity to go that one step further

It's not a bad analogy.  At the end of the day, the NSL existed for so many years, we want the second division to be national, we're hoping the old clubs will get into it, why not continue using the name?

Put it this way, if the new second division was as big as the old NSL, would we all not view that as a huge success?  Many may not be aware that at one point, the NSL had 24 teams in it. 

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bluebird - 19 Aug 2019 4:20 PM
A bit like how the VFA took the VFL name and became an unofficial second tier to the AFL

It's so confusing. The VFA was around originally then some bigger clubs split and formed the VFL which became the biggest league and de facto world governing body, renamed to AFL, then made the VFA change their name to VFL. Money can buy history, I guess.

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I quite like NSL to be honest

A bit like how the VFA took the VFL name and became an unofficial second tier to the AFL

It wasnt the NSL that was destructive but rather the governance of the sport, which they have been in the A League as well (the FFA is almost as bad of a name)

Calling it the NSL, particularly if it has ex NSL teams, would be a fitting tribute especially as we look towards P/R one day. Its about returning teams to an equivalent league of investment and interest but with the opportunity to go that one step further




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paulbagzFC - 19 Aug 2019 9:33 AM
ErogenousZone - 19 Aug 2019 9:18 AM

National Second League lel

-PB

Dear FFA,

I double dare you.


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ErogenousZone - 19 Aug 2019 9:18 AM
Not in a million years will it be ever called NSL. That would be a courageous decision to brand it as such.  

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Not in a million years will it be ever called NSL. That would be a courageous decision to brand it as such.  
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Heart_fan - 18 Aug 2019 10:43 PM
TheSelectFew - 18 Aug 2019 8:57 PM

Isn’t there a milk brand with the name A2? :)

Honestly though, NSL won’t fly as a brand. Too much baggage and calling it soccer is a no-no.

NZ company too...


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Waz - 19 Aug 2019 5:48 AM
Heart_fan - 18 Aug 2019 10:43 PM

There is - but A2 as a built in sponsor right there lol. 

The name has has already been decided though (‘The Championship’) so debating a non-variable indicates people are getting really bored with the lack of progress. 

Agreed.


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Heart_fan - 18 Aug 2019 10:43 PM
TheSelectFew - 18 Aug 2019 8:57 PM

Isn’t there a milk brand with the name A2? :)

Honestly though, NSL won’t fly as a brand. Too much baggage and calling it soccer is a no-no.

There is - but A2 as a built in sponsor right there lol. 

The name has has already been decided though (‘The Championship’) so debating a non-variable indicates people are getting really bored with the lack of progress. 
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Heart_fan - 18 Aug 2019 10:43 PM
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TheSelectFew - 18 Aug 2019 8:57 PM

Isn’t there a milk brand with the name A2? :)

Honestly though, NSL won’t fly as a brand. Too much baggage and calling it soccer is a no-no.

If the 2nd division is made up of AL reserve teams they can call it NSL
- National Seconds League

If the 2nd division is made up of NPL teams they can call it NSL
- National Soccer League

If the 2nd division is made up of AL reserves plus some NPL they can call it NSL
- National Stupid League




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TheSelectFew - 18 Aug 2019 8:57 PM
GDeathe - 17 Aug 2019 12:09 PM

wot
Not A2 League?

Isn’t there a milk brand with the name A2? :)

Honestly though, NSL won’t fly as a brand. Too much baggage and calling it soccer is a no-no.

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GDeathe - 17 Aug 2019 12:09 PM
the 2nd div needs to be called NSL simply cause NSL is already a well know brand to the football community that it could give us a lot of side opportunities like 
A-League VS NSL All star series during international breaks or turning the finals into a top4 V top4 League Cup


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Not A2 League?


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