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+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology.
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+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball.
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+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Welcome to the forum, Olderroo. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Even teams who play a possession game, like France and Argentina, try to win the ball back as close to the opposition goal as possible. They still prefer to play patient build ups from back to front. But they will aggressively Squeeze in the 6 seconds of their Defensive Transition in the attacking third, to win the ball, and be able to launch an accelerated attack close to the opposition goal. Thanks Decentric!
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+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik
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+xOne phenomenon which is slightly puzzling to me, is that young Socceroos emerging, if not definite starters in the Socceroo first eleven, or very close, it is that the change is occurring in the defence. ..........................................Gauci Atkinson..............Souttar.............Rowles............Bos ........................................O'Neill This sextet are all under 25yo. This bodes well for the future, if they continue to develop and don't get injured. With the keeper, 2 CBs and DM position, it is critical these players have organisational ability, game sense and a good grasp of positional play. They are critical positions in maintaining team shape in possession, and, when the other team has the ball. It's a good group of players although Atkinson I am very skeptical will be NT level. This isn't just true of the defence, I feel there is plenty to be excited about in the attacking third, although not quite as established yet perhaps. Irankunda - Robertson - G. Kuol (or Volpato if he picks us) (+ Peupion) It'll be fun to watch how those guys progress.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik One has to start somewhere with the football jargon. When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Essentially, I used a Half Press in Ball Possession Opposition. I used a defensive midfield triangle 4-3-3 in both Ball Possession and BPO - which was mandated in the Football Aus National Curriculum - the same as France, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. I used to have the vests marked out on a full sized pitch to demonstrate the 4-3-3 formation system. The players stood on the vests to get the feel of ideal distancing - 10 -15 metres from each other, within the lines - and - between the lines. This practice is also adopted in France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium, even Germany. At half time in games I used the cones to delineate the 4-3-3 in an area about 3 metres X 3 metres square. Again this is the same practice the aforementioned countries use in Europe. Ricky Herbert used to do it with the Wellington Phoenix. Again with players standing on the cones in their respective positions. Then they would sit down and watch the formation from the side and as I imparted which players needed to do what, when, how and why. in an under 14 boys rep team, most claimed they knew all of it, apart often a few who were honest, saying they needed the kinaesthetic structure to understand it. They all needed it, even if they thought they didn't. The formation was the same in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition. I didn't introduce the Defensive and Attacking Transition phases of play. The NC mandated that we should do it at an older age. The Under 14s were understanding the concept of Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition phases of play. They were also being introduced to the Half Press and Squeezing, although I used the term closing down for the latter. The half way line is a good marker for coaching the Half Press. As a corollary to this, the state Tech Dir of the time, who I worked closely with, left his job and coached a NPL team. Given his vast coaching knowledge, and how much I learned from him, I thought the team, City, would rise up the ladder, with his value added coaching. But they didn't. I could not work out why? This has also happened with some other senior coaches within the FA coaching structure in this state , who knew a lot more than most of the club NPL coaches. This team, City, had a cricket mate's son who played in that team. When I asked him why the the former state TD, didn't have the result based success with City, my cricket mate claimed he was applying too sophisticated methodology - more like an A L team. The cricket mate is a smart cookie too, who has played high level cricket. All I can think of is that the senior NPL players at City, at that time, hadn't had the methodology presented to them enough in underage ranks, unless they were in the NTC program. When I used this supposedly complex methodology and jargon with the senior female state league team at an NPL club where I was Women's Tech Dir, a few of the very experienced senior female players in the team picked it up so quickly I was gobsmacked! They thrived on it! Within no time, I had a number of vicarious assistant coaches within the playing ranks. They imparted what was supposedly perceived as complex tactical methodology to the younger 17- 22 year olds. These senior players only had to be told or exposed to a new idea once, they assimilated it and were able to coach others. Their tactical nous and structure as a team improved very quickly. They also progressed up the ladder. The more players receive exposure to contemporary football methodology from age 12 upwards, the better. Something that probably hasn't been given enough attention by our football media, probably because there isn't much of it any more, is that a significant number of current Socceroos are very clever players who display excellent game sense and decision-making qualities. Socceroos like Goodwin, Behich, Irvine, Rowles, Mooy, Souttar, Degenek, Maclaren, McGree, even new players like O'Neill, are very smart players. Even though it is hard to improve technique at a quick rate as an adult player, game sense can be acquired and improved relatively quickly at any age - no matter how old. A guy like Hrustic, really lacks the game sense of his team-mates. He is one of the most skilful with the ball at his feet in the Socceroo set up, but he lags behind in game sense.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik One has to start somewhere with the football jargon. When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Essentially, I used a Half Press in Ball Possession Opposition. I used a defensive midfield triangle 4-3-3 in both Ball Possession and BPO - which was mandated in the Football Aus National Curriculum - the same as France, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. I used to have the vests marked out on a full sized pitch to demonstrate the 4-3-3 formation system. The players stood on the vests to get the feel of ideal distancing - 10 -15 metres from each other, within the lines - and - between the lines. This practice is also adopted in France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium, even Germany. At half time in games I used the cones to delineate the 4-3-3 in an area about 3 metres X 3 metres square. Again this is the same practice the aforementioned countries use in Europe. Ricky Herbert used to do it with the Wellington Phoenix. Again with players standing on the cones in their respective positions. Then they would sit down and watch the formation from the side and as I imparted which players needed to do what, when, how and why. in an under 14 boys rep team, most claimed they knew all of it, apart often a few who were honest, saying they needed the kinaesthetic structure to understand it. They all needed it, even if they thought they didn't. The formation was the same in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition. I didn't introduce the Defensive and Attacking Transition phases of play. The NC mandated that we should do it at an older age. The Under 14s were understanding the concept of Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition phases of play. They were also being introduced to the Half Press and Squeezing, although I used the term closing down for the latter. The half way line is a good marker for coaching the Half Press. As a corollary to this, the state Tech Dir of the time, who I worked closely with, left his job and coached a NPL team. Given his vast coaching knowledge, and how much I learned from him, I thought the team, City, would rise up the ladder, with his value added coaching. But they didn't. I could not work out why? This has also happened with some other senior coaches within the FA coaching structure in this state , who knew a lot more than most of the club NPL coaches. This team, City, had a cricket mate's son who played in that team. When I asked him why the the former state TD, didn't have the result based success with City, my cricket mate claimed he was applying too sophisticated methodology - more like an A L team. The cricket mate is a smart cookie too, who has played high level cricket. All I can think of is that the senior NPL players at City, at that time, hadn't had the methodology presented to them enough in underage ranks, unless they were in the NTC program. When I used this supposedly complex methodology and jargon with the senior female state league team at an NPL club where I was Women's Tech Dir, a few of the very experienced senior female players in the team picked it up so quickly I was gobsmacked! They thrived on it! Within no time, I had a number of assistant coaches within the playing ranks, imparting what was supposedly perceived as complex tactical methodology to the younger 17- 22 year olds. Their tactical nous and structure as a team improved very quickly. They also progressed up the ladder. The more players receive exposure to contemporary football methodology from age 12 upwards, the better. Something that probably has n't been gone enough attention by our football media, probably because there isn't much of it any more, is that a significant number of current Socceroos are very clever players who display excellent game sense and decision-making qualities. Socceroos like Goodwin, Behich, Irvine, Rowles, Mooy, Souttar, Degenek, Maclaren, McGree, even new players like O'Neill, are very smart players. Even though it is hard to improve technique at a quick rate as an adult player, game sense can be acquired and improved relatively quickly at any age - no matter how old. A guy like Hrustic, really lacks the game sense of his team-mates. He is one of the most skilful with the ball at his feet in the Socceroo set up, but he lags behind in game sense. "....kinaesthetic structure". There you go.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Nooooo, I can't believe that!!!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Nooooo, I can't believe that!!! Who would ever accuse decentric of using too complicated football terminology?! A few maladjusted malcontents maybe?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik One has to start somewhere with the football jargon. When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Essentially, I used a Half Press in Ball Possession Opposition. I used a defensive midfield triangle 4-3-3 in both Ball Possession and BPO - which was mandated in the Football Aus National Curriculum - the same as France, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. I used to have the vests marked out on a full sized pitch to demonstrate the 4-3-3 formation system. The players stood on the vests to get the feel of ideal distancing - 10 -15 metres from each other, within the lines - and - between the lines. This practice is also adopted in France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium, even Germany. At half time in games I used the cones to delineate the 4-3-3 in an area about 3 metres X 3 metres square. Again this is the same practice the aforementioned countries use in Europe. Ricky Herbert used to do it with the Wellington Phoenix. Again with players standing on the cones in their respective positions. Then they would sit down and watch the formation from the side and as I imparted which players needed to do what, when, how and why. in an under 14 boys rep team, most claimed they knew all of it, apart often a few who were honest, saying they needed the kinaesthetic structure to understand it. They all needed it, even if they thought they didn't. The formation was the same in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition. I didn't introduce the Defensive and Attacking Transition phases of play. The NC mandated that we should do it at an older age. The Under 14s were understanding the concept of Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition phases of play. They were also being introduced to the Half Press and Squeezing, although I used the term closing down for the latter. The half way line is a good marker for coaching the Half Press. As a corollary to this, the state Tech Dir of the time, who I worked closely with, left his job and coached a NPL team. Given his vast coaching knowledge, and how much I learned from him, I thought the team, City, would rise up the ladder, with his value added coaching. But they didn't. I could not work out why? This has also happened with some other senior coaches within the FA coaching structure in this state , who knew a lot more than most of the club NPL coaches. This team, City, had a cricket mate's son who played in that team. When I asked him why the the former state TD, didn't have the result based success with City, my cricket mate claimed he was applying too sophisticated methodology - more like an A L team. The cricket mate is a smart cookie too, who has played high level cricket. All I can think of is that the senior NPL players at City, at that time, hadn't had the methodology presented to them enough in underage ranks, unless they were in the NTC program. When I used this supposedly complex methodology and jargon with the senior female state league team at an NPL club where I was Women's Tech Dir, a few of the very experienced senior female players in the team picked it up so quickly I was gobsmacked! They thrived on it! Within no time, I had a number of assistant coaches within the playing ranks, imparting what was supposedly perceived as complex tactical methodology to the younger 17- 22 year olds. Their tactical nous and structure as a team improved very quickly. They also progressed up the ladder. The more players receive exposure to contemporary football methodology from age 12 upwards, the better. Something that probably has n't been gone enough attention by our football media, probably because there isn't much of it any more, is that a significant number of current Socceroos are very clever players who display excellent game sense and decision-making qualities. Socceroos like Goodwin, Behich, Irvine, Rowles, Mooy, Souttar, Degenek, Maclaren, McGree, even new players like O'Neill, are very smart players. Even though it is hard to improve technique at a quick rate as an adult player, game sense can be acquired and improved relatively quickly at any age - no matter how old. A guy like Hrustic, really lacks the game sense of his team-mates. He is one of the most skilful with the ball at his feet in the Socceroo set up, but he lags behind in game sense. "....kinaesthetic structure". There you go. I admit, it is a term borrowed from education jargon! There isn't another word to accurately describe the coaching intent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik One has to start somewhere with the football jargon. When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Essentially, I used a Half Press in Ball Possession Opposition. I used a defensive midfield triangle 4-3-3 in both Ball Possession and BPO - which was mandated in the Football Aus National Curriculum - the same as France, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. I used to have the vests marked out on a full sized pitch to demonstrate the 4-3-3 formation system. The players stood on the vests to get the feel of ideal distancing - 10 -15 metres from each other, within the lines - and - between the lines. This practice is also adopted in France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium, even Germany. At half time in games I used the cones to delineate the 4-3-3 in an area about 3 metres X 3 metres square. Again this is the same practice the aforementioned countries use in Europe. Ricky Herbert used to do it with the Wellington Phoenix. Again with players standing on the cones in their respective positions. Then they would sit down and watch the formation from the side and as I imparted which players needed to do what, when, how and why. in an under 14 boys rep team, most claimed they knew all of it, apart often a few who were honest, saying they needed the kinaesthetic structure to understand it. They all needed it, even if they thought they didn't. The formation was the same in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition. I didn't introduce the Defensive and Attacking Transition phases of play. The NC mandated that we should do it at an older age. The Under 14s were understanding the concept of Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition phases of play. They were also being introduced to the Half Press and Squeezing, although I used the term closing down for the latter. The half way line is a good marker for coaching the Half Press. As a corollary to this, the state Tech Dir of the time, who I worked closely with, left his job and coached a NPL team. Given his vast coaching knowledge, and how much I learned from him, I thought the team, City, would rise up the ladder, with his value added coaching. But they didn't. I could not work out why? This has also happened with some other senior coaches within the FA coaching structure in this state , who knew a lot more than most of the club NPL coaches. This team, City, had a cricket mate's son who played in that team. When I asked him why the the former state TD, didn't have the result based success with City, my cricket mate claimed he was applying too sophisticated methodology - more like an A L team. The cricket mate is a smart cookie too, who has played high level cricket. All I can think of is that the senior NPL players at City, at that time, hadn't had the methodology presented to them enough in underage ranks, unless they were in the NTC program. When I used this supposedly complex methodology and jargon with the senior female state league team at an NPL club where I was Women's Tech Dir, a few of the very experienced senior female players in the team picked it up so quickly I was gobsmacked! They thrived on it! Within no time, I had a number of assistant coaches within the playing ranks, imparting what was supposedly perceived as complex tactical methodology to the younger 17- 22 year olds. Their tactical nous and structure as a team improved very quickly. They also progressed up the ladder. The more players receive exposure to contemporary football methodology from age 12 upwards, the better. Something that probably has n't been gone enough attention by our football media, probably because there isn't much of it any more, is that a significant number of current Socceroos are very clever players who display excellent game sense and decision-making qualities. Socceroos like Goodwin, Behich, Irvine, Rowles, Mooy, Souttar, Degenek, Maclaren, McGree, even new players like O'Neill, are very smart players. Even though it is hard to improve technique at a quick rate as an adult player, game sense can be acquired and improved relatively quickly at any age - no matter how old. A guy like Hrustic, really lacks the game sense of his team-mates. He is one of the most skilful with the ball at his feet in the Socceroo set up, but he lags behind in game sense. "....kinaesthetic structure". There you go. I admit, it is a term borrowed from education jargon! There isn't another word to accurately describe the coaching intent. How about simply saying learning by doing or feel? My understanding of kinesthetics is that is what it is. Do you find it effective with all players or do some have more success by being told or shown what to do?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe trend from the World Cup continues - of high possession teams getting beaten by aggressive (in the sense of turning every possession into attack), high pressing counter-attacking teams. Most teams like to win the ball back in the attacking third - often called counter pressing in a Full Press. Is that just another way of closing down? I guess its more organised these days but the concept has been around a while. Just a lot of new terminology. Apologise if others have read this posted by me before. The organisation in Pressing and Squeezing is so sophisticated compared to the past, I'll explain the terms. In the past it was probably known simply as closing down the opposition. Full Press - is when teams apply a press, trying to win the ball, in the opposition half, right up to the opposition penalty box when the other team has the ball, known as Ball Possession Opposition, BPO. Half Press - when the team retreats to the half way line as a team unit, and only then tries to win the ball back as a team unit in BPO. Partial Press- when a team retreats to a little in front of the penalty box or defensive third of the pitch as a team unit to try and win the ball black. In the past it has been known as 'parking the bus or defending deep'. Squeezing - the level of intensity of the closing down of the space within the aforementioned types of press in BPO. Intensive Squeezing is where a team energetically tries to win the ball back, particularly in the first 6 seconds of losing the ball in the Defensive Transition phase of play. Moderate Squeezing - where teams don't close down space as intensively and conserve energy within the press in BPO. Usually applied within the Partial and Half Presses. Gegen pressing or counterpressing - where teams really focus on winning the ball back in Full Presses in the attacking third in BPO. Klopp has been a well known exponent of this. The notion behind this, is that the opposition will be at their most vulnerable in terms of organisation, and the short distance from goal for the attacking team if they win the ball. you reckon a 16 yo kid has any idea about this? is this why our youngsters are so tactically inept? too much confusing jargon and not make it simple or game for them? I guess that's done to the coaching I suppose. The fact we aren't doing ML data analysis in Australia (means we dont have goal line tech) this is clearly an area we lack in analysing our players and teaching them tactical parts of the game? 3d ball tracking, etc. is not that new.. been around a long time and now with AI models we can really get some useful info. Pretty cool video showing how to do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f-oX7ca3Ik One has to start somewhere with the football jargon. When I was coaching a girls Under 12 rep team, who won a state title, I was accused on social media of using too complicated football terminology for the players from a few anonymous stakeholders. Essentially, I used a Half Press in Ball Possession Opposition. I used a defensive midfield triangle 4-3-3 in both Ball Possession and BPO - which was mandated in the Football Aus National Curriculum - the same as France, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. I used to have the vests marked out on a full sized pitch to demonstrate the 4-3-3 formation system. The players stood on the vests to get the feel of ideal distancing - 10 -15 metres from each other, within the lines - and - between the lines. This practice is also adopted in France, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium, even Germany. At half time in games I used the cones to delineate the 4-3-3 in an area about 3 metres X 3 metres square. Again this is the same practice the aforementioned countries use in Europe. Ricky Herbert used to do it with the Wellington Phoenix. Again with players standing on the cones in their respective positions. Then they would sit down and watch the formation from the side and as I imparted which players needed to do what, when, how and why. in an under 14 boys rep team, most claimed they knew all of it, apart often a few who were honest, saying they needed the kinaesthetic structure to understand it. They all needed it, even if they thought they didn't. The formation was the same in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition. I didn't introduce the Defensive and Attacking Transition phases of play. The NC mandated that we should do it at an older age. The Under 14s were understanding the concept of Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition phases of play. They were also being introduced to the Half Press and Squeezing, although I used the term closing down for the latter. The half way line is a good marker for coaching the Half Press. As a corollary to this, the state Tech Dir of the time, who I worked closely with, left his job and coached a NPL team. Given his vast coaching knowledge, and how much I learned from him, I thought the team, City, would rise up the ladder, with his value added coaching. But they didn't. I could not work out why? This has also happened with some other senior coaches within the FA coaching structure in this state , who knew a lot more than most of the club NPL coaches. This team, City, had a cricket mate's son who played in that team. When I asked him why the the former state TD, didn't have the result based success with City, my cricket mate claimed he was applying too sophisticated methodology - more like an A L team. The cricket mate is a smart cookie too, who has played high level cricket. All I can think of is that the senior NPL players at City, at that time, hadn't had the methodology presented to them enough in underage ranks, unless they were in the NTC program. When I used this supposedly complex methodology and jargon with the senior female state league team at an NPL club where I was Women's Tech Dir, a few of the very experienced senior female players in the team picked it up so quickly I was gobsmacked! They thrived on it! Within no time, I had a number of assistant coaches within the playing ranks, imparting what was supposedly perceived as complex tactical methodology to the younger 17- 22 year olds. Their tactical nous and structure as a team improved very quickly. They also progressed up the ladder. The more players receive exposure to contemporary football methodology from age 12 upwards, the better. Something that probably has n't been gone enough attention by our football media, probably because there isn't much of it any more, is that a significant number of current Socceroos are very clever players who display excellent game sense and decision-making qualities. Socceroos like Goodwin, Behich, Irvine, Rowles, Mooy, Souttar, Degenek, Maclaren, McGree, even new players like O'Neill, are very smart players. Even though it is hard to improve technique at a quick rate as an adult player, game sense can be acquired and improved relatively quickly at any age - no matter how old. A guy like Hrustic, really lacks the game sense of his team-mates. He is one of the most skilful with the ball at his feet in the Socceroo set up, but he lags behind in game sense. "....kinaesthetic structure". There you go. I admit, it is a term borrowed from education jargon! There isn't another word to accurately describe the coaching intent. How about simply saying learning by doing or feel? My understanding of kinesthetics is that is what it is. Do you find it effective with all players or do some have more success by being told or shown what to do? I'm a teacher by profession. I don't usually use the word kinaesthetic with players who aren't adults. It depends on the age, cognitive maturity, experience and game sense of the player. I'd only get younger players to stand on cones/bibs in 3 X 3 metre grids. With adults I'd only do it with the full sized pitch. Then formulate (prior to training) and progress to match related exercises in the session to reinforce team shape within formations. The adult NPL female team thrived on it. One needs to focus a lot more with ball work and skills the younger they are.
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Good to see Borrello score such a fantastic, predatory, classic striker's goal for WSW this weekend against MV.
He might be our best option for the Socceroo central striker's position soon.
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+xGood to see Borrello score such a fantastic, predatory, classic striker's goal for WSW this weekend against MV. He might be our best option for the Socceroo central striker's position soon. Better than duke?
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+xGood to see Borrello score such a fantastic, predatory, classic striker's goal for WSW this weekend against MV. He might be our best option for the Socceroo central striker's position soon. He's a very good player & does the work that Duke does. I wonder what WSW fans think as both have played there, who would they prefer.
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+x+xGood to see Borrello score such a fantastic, predatory, classic striker's goal for WSW this weekend against MV. He might be our best option for the Socceroo central striker's position soon. Better than duke? Good question? Duke's age tends to suggest he may not have much longer as a Socceroo. I remember Borrello playing central striker for some underage Aus teams. I think Borrello is a bit younger than Duke, indicating the likelihood of a longer future.
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+x+xGood to see Borrello score such a fantastic, predatory, classic striker's goal for WSW this weekend against MV. He might be our best option for the Socceroo central striker's position soon. He's a very good player & does the work that Duke does. I wonder what WSW fans think as both have played there, who would they prefer. Another good question for WSW fans? Neither have anything like Maclaren's scoring rate per game in the AL. However, they are both able to score goals without having a game plan revolving around getting the ball to them in a certain way, like Mac has had at Roar and currently has at City.
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https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/127519?newsfeedId=1275622The legendary Anzac Soccer Ashes trophy, thought lost since 1954, has been recovered in Australia.
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+x+x+xGood to see Borrello score such a fantastic, predatory, classic striker's goal for WSW this weekend against MV. He might be our best option for the Socceroo central striker's position soon. He's a very good player & does the work that Duke does. I wonder what WSW fans think as both have played there, who would they prefer. Another good question for WSW fans? Neither have anything like Maclaren's scoring rate per game in the HAL. However, they are both able to score goals without having a game plan revolving around getting the ball to them in a certain way, like Mac has had at Roar and currently has at City. HAL? isuzu UTE has been the A League naming rights sponsor since October 2021.
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Fantastic find! Ian Syson and others have been searching for it for years.
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We're only 5 weeks from those Uruguay or Argentina games. Hope they get confirmed. With the season over for many I'll name my squad. Do some of the older and outsiders want a farewell? Sainsbury cruising into retirement in Qatar. Dominating at half pace. Arnold said changes ( even quite a few) would be possible this window. Some may want rest and others might need a camp.
Ryan, Gauci, AMB
Strain, Atkinson, Souttar, Rowles, Degenek, Sainsbury, Behich, Elder
Mooy, Irvine, Genreau, O'Neill, Baccus, Devlin, Metcalfe
McGree, Mabil, Leckie, Borrello, Duke, Goodwin, Tilio, Iredale
Olyroos are at the Tournee Maurice Revello a matter of days before in France. It's crucial the team get familiar with each other for the September qualifiers and then the U23 Asian Cup in 2024 to get to Paris. Bad news: 4th place at Asian Cup must playoff against a CAF team. I think those eligible should generally be selected. Bos is probably going to go to Belgium from there anyway so he can get started. Can we take 26?
Cook, Bilokapic, IST (we got another :D )
Rawlins, Talbot, JCP, Triantis, Trewin, Natta, Bos, Farrell
Yazbek, D'Arrigo, Teague, Nieuwenhof, Roberston, Jelacic, Segecic
G.Kuol, A.Kuol, Toure, Botic, Brook, Peupion, Irankunda, Novello
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Good squads. Will be very interesting to see what happens with the Olyroos players who are also Socceroos players.
I agree with you that the preference would be to allow them to stay with the Olyroos and prepare for Olympic qualification, but I wonder if any duel-nationality players like Toure or Robertson might put pressure on Arnie to be called up to the senior team instead.
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We really need to call up and lock away Mo Toure. He's our most promising no. 9 and it's the teams biggest area of need.
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+xWe really need to call up and lock away Mo Toure. He's our most promising no. 9 and it's the teams biggest area of need. Yep consistently making the bench now and I expect he will have a bigger role next season. Need to lock him down.
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Some comments on social media that Rale Rasic is struggling in hospital.
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I understand the fuss over Triantis now. Amazing to think he may be playing in the Championship next year. Soutrar, Rowles, Circati and Triantis. We're building a strong group of CB's there.
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Thankfully Arnold clarifies some of the lazy media saying that Triantis is to be in the next Socceroos squad. Channel 10 staff writers just grabbed something out of the phrase basket.
Triantis is off to France. There was mention he put Nisbet on his radar. Whatever that means. Nisbet has been great and a call up could boost his stocks. Yet I don't think scouts and clubs are that naive. It's not a scout badge collection that being called up for an end of season friendly suddenly puts you in an even better frame. Or does it?
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Mooy and Goodwin out for Argentina game. Goodwin needs a groin op. Decent chance for a bit of a reshuffle.
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+xMooy and Goodwin out for Argentina game. Goodwin needs a groin op. Decent chance for a bit of a reshuffle. Have we named a squad? I don't see anyone ready to step straight into that role to Goodwins level. Mabil the most obvious albeit was disappointing at the World Cup. McGree if he plays more advanced but think he's better off in midfield. I want to see Irankunda from the bench.
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