Nonsense on the VAR errors being 1%

Time and time again the VAR has shown it is detrimental to the emotion and enjoyment of the game.

Take the Udinese vs Cagliari match shown on TV today. Some 20 seconds after a shirt pulling incident in the box the VAR calls a possible foul and the game is stopped whilst it is checked. Result was that there was no foul to be given so the referees decision stood. The drop ball proceeded to continue with the game after over a minute of unecessary stoppage.

A complete VAR farce in the top leagues continues.

Can someone explain to me the use of the VAR for Brisbane’s penalty against FC. It seemed the VAR official was trying to change the ref’s mind on what was clearly NOT an obvious error.
Thanks to the ref trusting his own instincts the decision was not overturned but yet another example where the VAR has had a negative effect on a game - and potentially contributed to the penalty being subsequently missed.
On a related point, has anyone from FFA or refs been asked how a pointless 3.5 minute VAR stoppage, a stoppage for head injury to Pepper, and 5 substitutions in normal time, equates to only 5 minutes extra time?

You know, football is a game of mistakes.

Referees make mistakes. None of us like it when it happens but for me it is a part of the game.

I would be happy to see VAR go and the game brought back to totally embrace the human element as it once did.

If an official makes an error then that is how it is.

I feel as though the VAR has been a huge success, I am way more forgiving of referees now than ever before, I can honestly say I want it gone and will accept the occasional mistake of a referee in real time, over the fuck up that is the VAR, and I suspect many others feel the same way as me.

Very true.  Unfortunately some people are pursuing a "perfect" referring outcome that is simply not achievable.

That's your subjective opinion. From the initial replays it looked like he had gone done without any contact at all, hence the review. 

Are you still sooking on about this clear pen. The players all knew it was a foul. The ref knew. The commentators knew. The only people in doubt is you and VAR.
Imagine if there was no contact and everybody thought it was a clear dive. Like the Bruno dive at the start of the season. You must have been very upset about that one.
Listenning to a SFC fan whinge about VAR is pathetic.

I have no problem with the review. But after seeing what we all saw in the “3rd or 4th replay”, why did the VAR official not give the all clear? Instead he still tried to get the ref to change his decision. We’ve been told this is NOT how the system works, so why so in this case?

It only happens for SFC.

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Couldn’t have said it better myself. Let’s bring it back the way it was.

Agree. should have just got on with it, and probably got in Taggarts head as a result.

Craig Zetter is a numpty. Nearly all the recent VAR fuckups have had him at the controls and its dangerous because it puts doubt into the on-field ref when there should be none. 

Chris Griffiths-Jones is the best VAR by far.

Anyone watch the CL this morning? One of the worst decisions I've seen for the Kimpembe handball in the last minute. 

Uh, why? Arm clearly away from his body and affecting the trajectory of the ball. Penalty every day of the week.

Anything to help United and the English teams.

His arm was tucked in, only the natural process of turning your body slightly extended it. 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• -the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• -the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• -the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence

He doesn't extend his arm towards the ball and isn't in an unnatural position. Never ever a penalty for me. 

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Also if it's a penalty every day of the week, why did it take 5 minutes to give the penalty? 5 minutes from a professional referee!

Add Roma to the list of teams screwed. 2 CL games decided by bs VAR calls in the final minute. Definitely made the game fairer right?

Not a pen, but love it when the Qatari’s get knocked out of the UCL.

If modern footballers didnt take part in the dark arts aka cheating, then we would not need var.

Handball decisions are getting more ridiculous every week. That Man U pen -  No intent, arm not in unnatural position, facing away from the ball but somehow a penalty.

I think any handball in the box should be a penalty, so I absolutely approve of the prevailing VAR interpretation. To me, last night's was a penalty any day of the week. The Qatar Saint Germain player batted the ball away with his arm and stopped a (theoretically) potentially dangerous action from United. That kind of thing simply has to be penalised every time. I don't give a shit whether he meant to do it or not. The only time it shouldn't be a penalty is if the player has his arms straight down next to his body and the ball hits him point blank so there's absolutely no way he can avoid it. That wasn't the case last night. 

It's as though the complainers want even fewer goals in football. It's ridiculous.

I think there needs to be some firming up on the intent and the effect of the handball.
If it is accidental and had no material effect on how play was developing, then play on. e.g. the handball on Lowry in the City v Glory game
If it is accidental but deflected the ball away from an attacker and had an effect on the play or away from goal = penalty.
Deliberate, well there's no change there.

Makes for a very simple decision tree for the ref.  They are experieicned and have a good feel for how play is developing.
Just that some refs are very triggy happy and want to blow a foul up without letting in develop, especially if there are sanctionable offences involved.

The trajectory of the ball is also a major point when the ref checks the VAR.
IMO when checking it out the shot is out of the box, it was already lifting hitting the player at just on elbow height whilst jumping up with his back facing the ball near the inside edge of the box, no intent - without hitting the arm that ball was going over the cross bar for sure , there was no more potential of attack for united but a PSG goal kick.

IMO tech should be used only for certain case's such as goal line tech, this is needed due to the fine lines that any official's can't see but our game should stick in principle of playing to the whistle, thats the beauty of the game.
For sure Refs/Linesmen need to keep being advised more on certain circumstances that occurs on the pitch and as in the past you carry on ripped or not.
You win some you lose some.

If people keep carrying on about tech sooner or later games will have officials just on the sideline/or box with monitor OR rely on robots, the game just won't be the same.
The official human element is all part of it.

Hardly true given poor offside calls and handballs are one of the biggest reasons it was brought in. 

If anything it has facilitated more cheating as players go down at the slightest bit of contact knowing it will be given, no matter how incosequental the contact was ie France vs Australia.

Agree with this and have said so for many years.  They should change the wording to something along the lines of 'if it's a deliberate attempt to play the ball with the hand or in the act of hitting the player in the hand/arm it has advantaged their side'.

The defender was looking at the ball until after he jumped then turned his back and his arm went out. If the ref called penalty straight up I would not have a problem. The issue I have is that I'm not sure that both the VAR and the on field ref IF he saw it the first time could say that the original non-call was a clear and obvious error so they shouldn't have changed it.

If however the on-field ref didn't see it initially and agreed that he would have called it had he seen it then its a pen and you'd have to say that VAR did its job properly.

Personally after seeing it unfold live I was hoping PSG would pinch it in extra time as it seemed so harsh but if it happened as above I think its the right call, but the rule doesnt work as it is.

IFAB should simply change the rule to this: If the arm is away from the body - handball. That way, especially in the penalty area, defenders will know absolutely that if they take an action that physically might cause their arm to move away from the body ie jumping or sliding to block a shot then they are committing a foul and should expect to be penalised if the ball strikes the arm. it will change the way defenders behave and will probably result in more shots on goal which is a good thing.

The only area that the ref should have some discretion is when defender and attacker are contesting a ball in the air. the defender should have the same opportunity to win a ball in the air as the attacker and that would necessarily require using the arms to jump so a contested ball onto an arm for example could still be play on.

I tend to agree with this as being a good rule change for handball, that is if you throw your body in front of the ball, or jump, with arms/hands away from the body and it hits your arm/hand, then it is handball. The only addition I would make is some sort of clause to negate the option of someone deliberately hitting the ball at your arm/hand from close range.

Spot on

That would leave us where we are now - interpretive decisions based on the individual ref.

There are always going to be interpretive decisions, irrespective of what you do (e.g., physical fouling).  This will significantly reduce interpretive decisions relating to handball, of which there will always be others anyway (did it hit arm or shoulder, for example).

Football is not, and I hope never will be, a black and white game.

Football is not black and white  and it's the main reason Var can never work,  you can't have 2 referees, refereeing a game of football. 

Because football is a game of interpretation, it is complete folly to expect Var to work. How much evidence do people need.

In one incident you can have 50% saying penalty,  50% saying no penalty. Then you have a referee make 1 decision, then psychologically told to reverse it, by another referee in a room.

Meanwhile 50k and 500m sit and watch a referee looking at a tv screen on the side of the pitch. 
Football a simple game ruined by suits, who want to jazz it up.

Also that shot was going to the moon,  no penalty.