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+xWhere are all the Bert lovers now, what a fraud. I still love Bert and wish he had an extended run.
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+x+xWhere are all the Bert lovers now, what a fraud. I still love Bert and wish he had an extended run. yeah me 2 he solved our right back problem in one month. Maybe with 4 years he solves our finishing problem. Teach arzani how to defend and finish and continue to work with nabbout and folami and all of sudden we have a functioning team There were just the occasional positional mistake leading to some of our goals. If he has us for four years we only concede 3 probably
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+x+x+x+x+xThe defensive organisation should have been settled in qualifying. It wasn't. It was a shambles. Then time was wasted in camp fixing that. There is a real problem when players are learning how to look over their shoulder in a world cup pre-tournament camp. How can a simple thong like this not have been addressed over a 4 year cycle? Totally agree with that the last year of our qualifying was a disorganised defence and clueless.Switching from the back 4 to back 3 from that moment we looked lost. i still think it was understandable for Ange to go 3 at the back I don't think Ange woke up one day and said "I want to try 3 at the back and a box midfield for ...reasons" We had no right back and wingers who couldn't score to save themselves as well as a bunch of midfielders who could score and dominate their opposite number. Leckie's finishing has of course improved recently to an acceptable standard so we have 2 ok finishers in our front diamond under BVM in rogic and leckie. Fingers crossed folami and arzani step up Its very very difficult for a coach to develop players at senior level. The players need to be developed at youth level. Amazingly BVM really developed risdon i had no problem with him utilising 3 at the back, it was his inability to be malleable with his formation that was his down fall its much harder to be malleable with your formation at international level then it is at club level where combinations can form and you have long periods of time with a squad. Most international teams seem to stick with a style and formation for many consecutive matches and don't like to change because combinations don't have as much time to form as they do at club level. Its hard enough to prepare a successful plan A let alone a plan B. Come to think of it I can't think of any world cup winner in recent times that did anything other than perfect a plan A. Italy, spain and Germany were very consistent in their approach right through their tournaments. 4-3-3 in principle allows some subtle changes (invert the triangle, convert to a diamond) which barca are great at implementing at club level but even those subtle changes I didn't see much of in Germany and spain's performance. They kind of seemed to try and play the same every game. That seems to be the recipe to get the most at international level. Choose a style, formation and plan. Perfect it over four years and hope it works my point is summed up in one game saudi arabia away in qualifers
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After 4 years under Ange we were a post width away from being knocked out by Syria.
After 4 weeks under BVM we were a post width away from drawing with the most expensive side at the WC, and dominated Denmark.
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Why are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs.
Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress.
Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not
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+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on?
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+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not Even more difficult to find when almost every A-league club looks for a foreigner to fill the striker position. We can probably produce a more consistent striker but its so hard to fill that spot at International level when A-league clubs are not willing to give young strikers a go at A-league level and help them develop. It also doesn't help that if young strikers are not playing in the A-league they are not tested in a meaningful youth league to give them much needed minutes. There is a reason we have no strikers, no one wants to do the leg work to develop our next striker or even give them a chance.
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+xAfter 4 years under Ange we were a post width away from being knocked out by Syria. After 4 weeks under BVM we were a post width away from drawing with the most expensive side at the WC, and dominated Denmark. hahahha
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huddo
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+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not Even more difficult to find when almost every A-league club looks for a foreigner to fill the striker position. We can probably produce a more consistent striker but its so hard to fill that spot at International level when A-league clubs are not willing to give young strikers a go at A-league level and help them develop. It also doesn't help that if young strikers are not playing in the A-league they are not tested in a meaningful youth league to give them much needed minutes. There is a reason we have no strikers, no one wants to do the leg work to develop our next striker or even give them a chance. +1
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@RBB Anon. Spot on.
Last Aussie striker to have a regular gig in a top league was Josh Kennedy. Until this is rectified we can’t hope to score many goals at international level.
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The blame for lack of striking options is the fault of the FFA for not providing enough opportunities / pathways for young strikers to develop.
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Hmm, well they could play in the A League except Berisha, Maccarone, Keogh, Fiornaroli, Bono etc take up the single striker spot at each club. Hardly the FFA’s fault.
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+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on? Folami is incredibly promising, even if he just becomes a good championship striker that is a far improvement on what we have now.
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+x+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on? Folami is incredibly promising, even if he just becomes a good championship striker that is a far improvement on what we have now. well a good championship striker is probably where juric is at. I hope he exceeds that
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+x+x+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on? Folami is incredibly promising, even if he just becomes a good championship striker that is a far improvement on what we have now. well a good championship striker is probably where juric is at. I hope he exceeds that Not really, he doesn't score any goals for that too happen.
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+x+x+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on? Folami is incredibly promising, even if he just becomes a good championship striker that is a far improvement on what we have now. well a good championship striker is probably where juric is at. I hope he exceeds that A good championship striker is still scoring a goal every three games. Juric is a goal every four games striker at the moment.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on? Folami is incredibly promising, even if he just becomes a good championship striker that is a far improvement on what we have now. well a good championship striker is probably where juric is at. I hope he exceeds that Not really, he doesn't score any goals for that too happen. I see so you mean dominant second teir striker rather than one that is playing every week but isn't a standout in the league (as far as i know. Perhaps some Luzern fans feel differently)
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+xThe blame for lack of striking options is the fault of the FFA for not providing enough opportunities / pathways for young strikers to develop. All blame must go to FFA and HAL. Since 2005 all you wanted was the "show piece" and too put bums on seats, but youth football and development suffered. This was a long time coming, and it's not going away anytime soon, got yourselves to blame.
Not a Phase, Not a Trend, SYDNEY UNITED till the END!
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhy are out and out strikers paid so well? Because they are so hard to find. At all levels, the team with a good all round striker, who can score regulary, hold the ball up and bring others into the game is the team which does well. The team who relies on the wide players and midfielders to score struggele (even in the local league levels, it is no different) - we are in this category. I am sure if we had had a striker of Viduka's qualilty type at this WC we would have progressed and the likes of Rogic, Leckie and Kruse would have been far more influential as they are in the Clubs. Be interesting to see where Sainsbury, Risdon and Arzani go and will follow their progress. Proud that Australia got to the WC - remember the likes of Italy and Holland did not does anyone know if this folami kid is any good? Any other strikers in the 17-20 year old range we should keep an eye on? Folami is incredibly promising, even if he just becomes a good championship striker that is a far improvement on what we have now. well a good championship striker is probably where juric is at. I hope he exceeds that Not really, he doesn't score any goals for that too happen. I see so you mean dominant second teir striker rather than one that is playing every week but isn't a standout in the league (as far as i know. Perhaps some Luzern fans feel differently) Basically i imagine someone like Wood before he made the jump to the prem, pretty much a good championship striker but is actually capable of leading the line effectively at international level.
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+x+xThe blame for lack of striking options is the fault of the FFA for not providing enough opportunities / pathways for young strikers to develop. All blame must go to FFA and HAL. Since 2005 all you wanted was the "show piece" and too put bums on seats, but youth football and development suffered. This was a long time coming, and it's not going away anytime soon, got yourselves to blame. Thanks guy who supports Australian club in Sydney but calls other Australians "you". I see this sentiment as part of the problem too. We are all pulling in different directions.
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+x+x+xThe blame for lack of striking options is the fault of the FFA for not providing enough opportunities / pathways for young strikers to develop. All blame must go to FFA and HAL. Since 2005 all you wanted was the "show piece" and too put bums on seats, but youth football and development suffered. This was a long time coming, and it's not going away anytime soon, got yourselves to blame. Thanks guy who supports Australian club in Sydney but calls other Australians "you". I see this sentiment as part of the problem too. We are all pulling in different directions. those directions were pulled in 2005
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Any current A-league foreigners young enough for 2022 and able to be nationalised? Seems like the only way.
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+x+xAfter 4 years under Ange we were a post width away from being knocked out by Syria. After 4 weeks under BVM we were a post width away from drawing with the most expensive side at the WC, and dominated Denmark. hahahha I know hey, that has said it best for me. Utter bullshit shooting, and lack of being able to service our actual quality players ROGIC
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It appeared Kruse and Leckie thought they had the skills to actually score against all these nations but fuck were they so delusional thinking they were the combination to help us win anything. Utter garbage on both sides.
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The fairy touch and dilly dallying was embarrising, I'm actually sick of watching , it will hurt in future.
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There can be a lot of excuses for the Peru game.The third game in quick succession,same players,opposition tactics,our tactics,our selections,our poor finishing..etc..etc.
Personally I think a major problem was BVM choking on replacing Luongo with Jedi.
The two lead up games against the Czechs and Hungary ,we had Luongo and had no trouble scoring goals.
Jedi is safe ,but slow and stuffs up midfield alongside Mooy and Rogic upfront.
If we play Mooy,Rogic and Jedi we have a slow immobile midfield.Thus we are restricted in the way we can play.We need to sit deep and allow on the wingers and fullbacks to get forward.
We need a fast striker to keep up eith the wingers.Nabbout.
If we lose the ball high up the field we are exposed.Hence the first goal.
In the Peru game we had the slow midfield and slow striker.We had Peru sitting deep and hitting us on the counterattack ,with our slow midfield to cover.End result was to be expected.
We could have drawn that game if we played more safely.But we were never going to win that game with the selections and the strategy.
Denmark showed what you can do with a simple game plan and squeezing out results.They are on a long unbeaten run and ranked 11 .Their star player Ericksen spends a lot of the game uninvolved.But they stick to their plan ,whether they look ordinary or not.
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It is a results based sport. In saying that we had so much more space to attack than against Denmark or France. Just frustrating as hell they were offside and had a deflection and then Guerrero shouldn't have even been playing.
I'm so pissed off that we had the same 11. Risdon and Jedinak were exhausted on 50 and couldn't track against their attack for the goal.
Why on earth didn't we start Cahill, Arzani, Luongo and even Irvine for Rogic? Like the Chile game in 2017 I think the fresh legs make a massive difference.
Wtf was up with Juric? I love all the boys but I'm pulling my hair out with how they played at times. Even if they all have the perfect season and preparation, it has to work out on the day.
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+x+x+x+xThe blame for lack of striking options is the fault of the FFA for not providing enough opportunities / pathways for young strikers to develop. All blame must go to FFA and HAL. Since 2005 all you wanted was the "show piece" and too put bums on seats, but youth football and development suffered. This was a long time coming, and it's not going away anytime soon, got yourselves to blame. Thanks guy who supports Australian club in Sydney but calls other Australians "you". I see this sentiment as part of the problem too. We are all pulling in different directions. those directions were pulled in 2005 The in-fighting had occurred LONG before 2005 unfortunately. It's disingenuous to lay the blame at those who axed the NSL/SA and instituted the A-league/FFA. There are two elements to this: 1) SA's ineptitude that led to the Crawford Report in 2003 2) FFA's nepotism and knee-jerk reaction leadership style that has stifled player development. Without getting into a detailed discussion about these points, we are all in this together and we should be fighting together to reform the game for its betterment.
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the only person happy about this result is Graham it makes taking over the team easier transition since we didn’t win a game.
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+xthe only person happy about this result is Graham it makes taking over the team easier transition since we didn’t win a game. I doubt Arnold will actually be our coach in 2022.
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