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For all the hoopla regards the splitting off of the A-League as a separate entity (if I have that right) could someone please explain to me; (a) why the current 10 teams would want pro / rel. (What's in it for them?) (b) why they'd want expansion, particularly if they're within their 'footprint' and (c) where do they think the money is going to come from? (remembering that some of the TV money has to fund a second division.) Not trolling, genuinely interested, because my preferred model is to set up a second division with a view to pro /rel in the future.
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+xFor all the hoopla regards the splitting off of the A-League as a separate entity (if I have that right) could someone please explain to me; (a) why the current 10 teams would want pro / rel. (What's in it for them?) (b) why they'd want expansion, particularly if they're within their 'footprint' and (c) where do they think the money is going to come from? (remembering that some of the TV money has to fund a second division.) Not trolling, genuinely interested, because my preferred model is to set up a second division with a view to pro /rel in the future. Just talking about some of those things in the 'a second division is coming' thread Muz.
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“remembering that some of the TV money has to fund a second division” ... err, no it doesn’t. Can we get away from this socialist model - the money the A League raises can and should stay in the A League.
AAFC have assured us that a second division is viable which is good.
The A League would want expansion because the current league is stale, a bigger league creates more commercial opportunities and will increase the size of the tv deal.
Why would they want pro/rel? Why wouldn’t they? relegation battles increase attendance and creates interest in the league, which in turn supports sponsors investment, excitement boosts tv viewing so all round its good for a competition.
FoxSports will need to be convinced though, and a viable second division needs to be established as there’s no way a club can be relegated into the park football that is NPL.
And anway, it’s not the A League clubs that will decide on this. It’s the FFA. The “independent” A league will operate under licence from the ffa who should decide things like size, pro/rel, season start/stop etc ... and fifa also have something to say on pro/rel as well.
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Posted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part."
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+x“remembering that some of the TV money has to fund a second division” ... err, no it doesn’t. Can we get away from this socialist model - the money the A League raises can and should stay in the A League. AAFC have assured us that a second division is viable which is good. The A League would want expansion because the current league is stale, a bigger league creates more commercial opportunities and will increase the size of the tv deal. Why would they want pro/rel? Why wouldn’t they? relegation battles increase attendance and creates interest in the league, which in turn supports sponsors investment, excitement boosts tv viewing so all round its good for a competition. FoxSports will need to be convinced though, and a viable second division needs to be established as there’s no way a club can be relegated into the park football that is NPL. And anway, it’s not the A League clubs that will decide on this. It’s the FFA. The “independent” A league will operate under licence from the ffa who should decide things like size, pro/rel, season start/stop etc ... and fifa also have something to say on pro/rel as well. I am not so sure that is how the EPL or the SPL operate. https://www.premierleague.com/aboutThe Premier League is the organising body of the Premier League with responsibility for the competition, its Rule Book and the centralised broadcast and other commercial rights.
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+x+xFor all the hoopla regards the splitting off of the A-League as a separate entity (if I have that right) could someone please explain to me; (a) why the current 10 teams would want pro / rel. (What's in it for them?) (b) why they'd want expansion, particularly if they're within their 'footprint' and (c) where do they think the money is going to come from? (remembering that some of the TV money has to fund a second division.) Not trolling, genuinely interested, because my preferred model is to set up a second division with a view to pro /rel in the future. Just talking about some of those things in the 'a second division is coming' thread Muz. Phutbol: I was reading that in the other thread which got me thinking about these other issues. Waz: I think some money should be granted from the A1 budget as a travel subsidy. It will help make the 2nd division more geographically representative. I would imagine a 2nd div Perth side on a small budget could find it difficult to fund a full home and away season.
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Why would you want to have a P/R system with only 10 teams at the top? Won't happen. Let's try and get to a magical 14 or 16 teams first.
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+xWhy would you want to have a P/R system with only 10 teams at the top? Won't happen. Let's try and get to a magical 14 or 16 teams first. The SPL has 12 teams and there is promotion/relegation. The Championship, League 1 and League 2 have 10 each and have promotion/relegation.
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Baby steps first. If a truly national 2nd Div is set-up it will probably need about $5-10M pa to operate for a basic 8 team 21 round comp. That just to pay for admin, refs, travel, etc etc. That assumes it is all still semi-pro with clubs paying for players as they currently do. Who's gonna cough up that?
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+x+xWhy would you want to have a P/R system with only 10 teams at the top? Won't happen. Let's try and get to a magical 14 or 16 teams first. The SPL has 12 teams and there is promotion/relegation. The Championship, League 1 and League 2 have 10 each and have promotion/relegation. Australia has five times more people than Scotland, for reference.
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@ Muz
Yeah, I get that. “Taxing the rich” to feed the poor is Lowy’s model and all it’s left us with is a broken system at all levels of the game.
The HAL will no doubt have to pay a licence fee to the ffa which help support its operations, putting a second tax in there to support Div 2 just drains more money.
I follow the logic but if we have to go down this route then Div2 needs to be rolled in with AAPFC as HAL2 and they go to market as a combined entity for sponsorship and tv etc.
I guess it also depends on who gets in though. Lions and Marconi in Sydney (I think) were reporting $50m turnover and multi million dollar profits. Is there any reason why they should be subsidised?
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+xFor all the hoopla regards the splitting off of the A-League as a separate entity (if I have that right) could someone please explain to me; (a) why the current 10 teams would want pro / rel. (What's in it for them?) Right now those 10 franchises are only engaging with 20% of the Football market P&R will tap into the other 80% by giving EVERYONE aspiration Lets say 6 of the 10 become 'big' clubs, they have very little chance of getting relegated so won't worry them The other 4, instead of just floating around the bottom every year will have more interesting times. Relegation isn't the end of the world and the chance to get back up creates variety for their fans I reckon it won't be long before they realise a much bigger, slightly riskier pie feeds a bigger family
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+x+xFor all the hoopla regards the splitting off of the A-League as a separate entity (if I have that right) could someone please explain to me; (a) why the current 10 teams would want pro / rel. (What's in it for them?) Right now those 10 franchises are only engaging with 20% of the Football market P&R will tap into the other 80% by giving EVERYONE aspiration Lets say 6 of the 10 become 'big' clubs, they have very little chance of getting relegated so won't worry them The other 4, instead of just floating around the bottom every year will have more interesting times.
Relegation isn't the end of the world and the chance to get back up creates variety for their fansI reckon it won't be long before they realise a much bigger, slightly riskier pie feeds a bigger family On top of that, when a club gets relegated chances are some of the better players will want to seek contracts at a top tier club. That opens the door for some potentially big transfer fees for a relegated club. That's something that doesn't happen now.
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+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers.
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I dont understand The assumption is that A League clubs wont vote for P/R due to "self" interest. Yet "self" is defined as 10 different entities with 10 different needs being a single commodity P/R is in the best interests of the big clubs. Without it they'll continue to give funds to small teams shit kicking at the bottom of the league that only exist to poach their young players and sell them overseas to make a profit I also think it would be ironic if the clubs who were so opposed to the FFA congress structure then decided that they will rule the professional game exclusively from here on out. P/R is simply a system for ensuring those who invest the most into the game get a voice, and those who stop investing lose their power. Isn't that what the A League clubs just voted for?
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I have never seen any A-league head come out against Pro/rel. The fact is though relegation will only be viable once the second tier is established and viable.
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+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. The trick there is to making a 2nd tier viable with no promise of Promotion, no TV deal and no crowds
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Mariners owner backs relegation format which could scupper his club
Central Coast Mariner owner Mike Charlesworth - whose embattled A-League club would be at high risk should a promotion/relegation format be introduced in Australia - has voiced his strong support for the formula.
6 APRIL 2017
BY DAVE LEWIS
Taking a stance some may view as akin to an alcoholic voting for prohibition, Charlesworth insists that Australia adopting a system which abounds elsewhere in the world "would only enhance the long term success" of the A-League as its founders seek a panacea for a competition on a path to stagnation.
With the floundering Mariners in danger of acquiring a second successive wooden spoon, as the season heads into the final two rounds, and the promotion/relegation debate high on the agenda, Charlesworth said: "I theoretically should be the least likely person to be promoting this".
"We've been down around the bottom of the league consistently of late ... but this is about the growth of Aussie football.
"From a pragmatic standpoint, if the infrastructure is right, you want a promotion/relegation system.
"But there would need to be significant conditions attached around financial investment, stadium and training facilities.
"After around $250 million worth of investment from the A-League owners to date, we cannot allow the league to be devalued in any way.
"However, if significant investors with the right motivations are out there they should be allowed to compete to gain promotion and subsequently expand the league."
Whilst happy to add his support to a model being propagated by the newly-formed NPL collective, under the banner of the Association of Australian Football Clubs, Charlesworth also feels the FFA should not delay much longer on an expansion model, which has a number of well-funded embryonic entities knocking on the door.
"That interest from outside the competition seeking to be a part of the top league can drive a lot of new investment and energy," he said of bids from southern Sydney, Brisbane, Tasmania, Geelong and elsewhere.
"There's no doubt a lot of money is waiting to be invested and some of this should be paid to the existing 10 clubs as in the case of the Wanderers' sale to private investors.
"Obviously there’s a lot of detail to work through but the FFA are one of the best funded federations globally and should have the resources internally to work through these opportunities faster.
"The league needs to grow beyond 10 clubs - I think everybody agrees with that - and we need to harness new investment and energy from those prepared to spend." https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/mariners-owner-backs-relegation-format-which-could-scupper-his-club
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+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers. Yeah I’m on board with that. Year 1: Set up a 2 nd division tomorrow and call it A2. Winner of that, subject to predetermined criteria, goes up. No relegation from A1 for years 1 to 6. Year 2: Rinse repeat for next 5 years. Setup A3 and promote to A2 to fill gap left from A1 promotion. Year 7: 16 teams now in A1. (10-12 to 14-16 teams in A2. A3 set up also.) Pro / rel starts. 2 legged playoff to see if there’s a promotion or not. That’s 6 years for all the A1 teams to sort their shit out before they’re at a minor risk of being relegated. New teams into A2 or A3 can either be made up entities (Southern expansion) or existing (Wolves, South Melb). Note: Whatever the predetermined criteria is it cannot include crowd numbers as a criterion. If the team is good enough, can show they have a business plan and the funding then they’re in.
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+x+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. The trick there is to making a 2nd tier viable with no promise of Promotion, no TV deal and no crowds So like what the NPL is now... but with better opposition?
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+x+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers. Yeah I’m on board with that. Year 1: Set up a 2 nd division tomorrow and call it A2. Winner of that, subject to predetermined criteria, goes up. No relegation from A1 for years 1 to 6. Year 2: Rinse repeat for next 5 years. Setup A3 and promote to A2 to fill gap left from A1 promotion. Year 7: 16 teams now in A1. (10-12 to 14-16 teams in A2. A3 set up also.) Pro / rel starts. 2 legged playoff to see if there’s a promotion or not. That’s 6 years for all the A1 teams to sort their shit out before they’re at a minor risk of being relegated. New teams into A2 or A3 can either be made up entities (Southern expansion) or existing (Wolves, South Melb). Note: Whatever the predetermined criteria is it cannot include crowd numbers as a criterion. If the team is good enough, can show they have a business plan and the funding then they’re in. My idea is something along similar lines but you get the gist of what is the roadmap. Year 1-2 - I would concentrate on getting the A2 correct. Year 3 - Promote two teams Year 4 - Promote two teams Year 5 - Promote two teams Year 6 - Pro / Rel. Maybe 1 up and 1 down automatic and the other one a play off between 2nd place A2 and 2nd last place A-league. It might be 2 up 2 down. However you want to do it, the permutations are endless. It gives everyone enough time to get their shit in order. The interest is there from the start, especially seeing who gets promoted and then later in year 6 and beyond on who gets promoted / relegated. Fox or some other broadcaster would get on board with this. It will take 6-7 years and is a much cheaper option.
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+x+x+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers. Yeah I’m on board with that. Year 1: Set up a 2 nd division tomorrow and call it A2. Winner of that, subject to predetermined criteria, goes up. No relegation from A1 for years 1 to 6. Year 2: Rinse repeat for next 5 years. Setup A3 and promote to A2 to fill gap left from A1 promotion. Year 7: 16 teams now in A1. (10-12 to 14-16 teams in A2. A3 set up also.) Pro / rel starts. 2 legged playoff to see if there’s a promotion or not. That’s 6 years for all the A1 teams to sort their shit out before they’re at a minor risk of being relegated. New teams into A2 or A3 can either be made up entities (Southern expansion) or existing (Wolves, South Melb). Note: Whatever the predetermined criteria is it cannot include crowd numbers as a criterion. If the team is good enough, can show they have a business plan and the funding then they’re in. My idea is something along similar lines but you get the gist of what is the roadmap. Year 1-2 - I would concentrate on getting the A2 correct. Year 3 - Promote two teams Year 4 - Promote two teams Year 5 - Promote two teams Year 6 - Pro / Rel. Maybe 1 up and 1 down automatic and the other one a play off between 2nd place A2 and 2nd last place A-league. It might be 2 up 2 down. However you want to do it, the permutations are endless. It gives everyone enough time to get their shit in order. The interest is there from the start, especially seeing who gets promoted and then later in year 6 and beyond on who gets promoted / relegated. Fox or some other broadcaster would get on board with this. It will take 6-7 years and is a much cheaper option. Yep either / or. 2 up is probably better. No byes in the draw. But the principle's are the same whichever way they go.
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+x+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers. Yeah I’m on board with that. Year 1: Set up a 2 nd division tomorrow and call it A2. Winner of that, subject to predetermined criteria, goes up. No relegation from A1 for years 1 to 6. Year 2: Rinse repeat for next 5 years. Setup A3 and promote to A2 to fill gap left from A1 promotion. Year 7: 16 teams now in A1. (10-12 to 14-16 teams in A2. A3 set up also.) Pro / rel starts. 2 legged playoff to see if there’s a promotion or not. That’s 6 years for all the A1 teams to sort their shit out before they’re at a minor risk of being relegated. New teams into A2 or A3 can either be made up entities (Southern expansion) or existing (Wolves, South Melb). Note: Whatever the predetermined criteria is it cannot include crowd numbers as a criterion. If the team is good enough, can show they have a business plan and the funding then they’re in. Love this idea, think its the best way to grow and have stability at the same time. From what I remember the JFA did it in a fairly similar structure with the J-League now with a J2 and J3 both running now. Might take a few years but could have 3 decent divisions, and by doing so more ACL spots, a much deeper and more professional player pool for the development of the national teams, then who knows from there? Every time I think of the FFA's planning mistakes they've made and not learnt from, I can't stop thinking how we should be following Japan's lead, they've got a 100 year plan ffs, even China have a 20 year plan for domination and winning the World Cup. I just hope we can have such foresight and have investors willing to put their money where their mouths are to make it happen.
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If you're running last toward the end of the season, that "dead rubber" match at the end of the season will be a mini blockbuster under pro/rel
If you're last and having financial difficulties, relegation is your ticket out of contracts you can't afford - either sell the players or cut their salaries consistent with the relevant clause of the playing contract
If you own your club and love your club, but face the prospect of death or relegation, you'll choose relegation. Fitzroy in the AFL would have loved the option of relegation.
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Pretty much spot on. People were surprised when Charlesworth came out in support of relegation but he understands that model.
Get relegated, no doubt with a parachute payment, cut costs, dominate Div 2 getting promoted with increased crowds, back in the HAL to rinse n repeat.
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+x+x+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers. Yeah I’m on board with that. Year 1: Set up a 2 nd division tomorrow and call it A2. Winner of that, subject to predetermined criteria, goes up. No relegation from A1 for years 1 to 6. Year 2: Rinse repeat for next 5 years. Setup A3 and promote to A2 to fill gap left from A1 promotion. Year 7: 16 teams now in A1. (10-12 to 14-16 teams in A2. A3 set up also.) Pro / rel starts. 2 legged playoff to see if there’s a promotion or not. That’s 6 years for all the A1 teams to sort their shit out before they’re at a minor risk of being relegated. New teams into A2 or A3 can either be made up entities (Southern expansion) or existing (Wolves, South Melb). Note: Whatever the predetermined criteria is it cannot include crowd numbers as a criterion. If the team is good enough, can show they have a business plan and the funding then they’re in. My idea is something along similar lines but you get the gist of what is the roadmap. Year 1-2 - I would concentrate on getting the A2 correct. Year 3 - Promote two teams Year 4 - Promote two teams Year 5 - Promote two teams Year 6 - Pro / Rel. Maybe 1 up and 1 down automatic and the other one a play off between 2nd place A2 and 2nd last place A-league. It might be 2 up 2 down. However you want to do it, the permutations are endless. It gives everyone enough time to get their shit in order. The interest is there from the start, especially seeing who gets promoted and then later in year 6 and beyond on who gets promoted / relegated. Fox or some other broadcaster would get on board with this. It will take 6-7 years and is a much cheaper option. I suspect that a lot of people like your idea (including me) but it isn't going to happen. The APFCA want expansion and a period of stability and the AAFC, while they are looking at the Championship from next season, they are looking at P & R for 2024. In other words the two seem to be in broad agreement on the timetable. Say you have 14-16 teams by 2024 in the HAL. The AAFC is looking at 20 teams by that stage. If the two groups can work together 34-36 teams across the two divisions with full P & R within 6 years that would do me fine!! While they are at it they also then need to work on the connections to integrate through P & R from the NPL to The Championship, possibly through the introduction of a national NPL above the State NPLs. Ideally this in in place by 2024 at the latest as well.
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Mark457
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All pie in the sky stuff. Until someone from the new board comes forward and says they will start a second division then I am sceptical.
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Blew.2
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+x+xPosted 4/6/18 in an APFCA media release It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered. For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers. Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club. The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated. APFCA is committed to playing its part." I will keep saying this until the cows come home because its the only thing that makes sense. The trick here is to develop the 2nd tier first and make it viable. When the time is right you PROMOTE teams into the A-league. When you get the number of teams you want in the A-league to 14-16 teams then you start to relegate as well. Its the best way and it kills two birds with one stone. When you have that connection between the two tiers you will increase your base of teams and also increase interest in both tiers. The key - Find that #pollster and give him an #FFAJob
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+xAll pie in the sky stuff. Until someone from the new board comes forward and says they will start a second division then I am sceptical. Actually I will be sceptical until I hear the whistle blow for the kickoff of round 1.
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We all know the benefits. I want to know why the A-league clubs would be for pro / rel. And also expansion, particularly a team right under their noses. Up above someone said they've yet to hear an owner speak out against it but besides Charlesworth I haven't heard any of the owners speak for it either.
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