starting to realise this forum is full of bitters full of negative bullshit.  

Western United will be a fresh start.

The bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back.

Well here are some facts.....

At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that.

But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity.

"Starting"? .........lol

Better late than never I suppose.

that's probably true, but so what?  aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them?  how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people?  let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL

Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. 

“Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs.”

THIS

No they are not.

You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds.

Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game.

I think the followers of the NPL are a lot more passionate and tribal than any HAL fans. These are the die hards.

Sadly, there isn't much passion in the HAL as its a dieing league. People are walking away.

Sure, there are passionate followers like some people on this forum nut by enlarge, its a whole lot of plastic. The Euro-snobs are not buying,

Now, Brisbane are struggling to average 7K. I am going to the games at Suncorp, and sorry to say that its a bit more amusing to poke your own eyes out.

You see, the plastuc can only take you so far. Without a SMFC, you are nothing. Without a pathways, you are dead.

Dumb argument. All the South Melbourne grand finals at olympic park were sold out. We didnt have docklands or aami park then. Where do you propose they played them at the MCG? In terms of atmosphere those Olympic Park ones shitted on the ones you mentioned. 

+1

“Now, Brisbane are struggling to average 7K”

C’mon stick to the facts

to be fair, the bitters have good reason to be bitter

Are you a 5 year old child?  They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again 

	1977	1978	1979	1987	1996/97
AGG	67187	95478	78400	31017	88001
AVE	5168	7344	6031	2585	7333

http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtml

The site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. 

Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU.  You are the modern bitter personified,  You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. 

Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call?

Yes it has always been around in my time here, but I think its got significantly worse in the leadup to, and after the awarding of licenses last year

I dont mind when it leads to some constructive criticism.

90% of it isnt that at all, just immature quips from "woke" football hipsters like the select few.

So is passion for an a league team a crime now?

Mate, it isn't looking good at all. Last crowd was 8K. It's actually dismal in such a huge stadium.

No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds.

Please provide the evidence.

SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K

Average attendance for South's games for the last 3 seasons of the NSL were:-
2001/2 - 6,012  (NSL attendance - 5,666)
2002/3 - 4,963  (NSL attendance - 3,853)
2003/4 - 6,832  (NSL attendance - 4,121)

Interestingly during this period South were the only one of the "traditional" NSL clubs that approached the averages that the new city based teams got.  These teams were Perth, Adelaide, Newcastle and a little earlier Northern Spirit.

Source OzFootball.

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The "evidence" you are looking for is right there.  Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers.  You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). 

Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on.  This will be an interesting exercise.

No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate

Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons.

yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison

It's actually easy to measure.
HAL clubs have been set up expressly for the purpose of having football teams play football. They are not social clubs, or clubs whose main activities don't encompass football. It's pretty good bet that if you follow a HAL club, you do so BECAUSE you like football and want to watch football being played. In other words, you have a passion for this particular sport we call football. Enough passion in fact that you've joined or started to follow a club that doesn't give you other non football activities, and that hasn't been around long enough that you're just joining because your parents or grandparents did.
This means we have large crowds and large amounts of people watching the game.

Contrast that with NPL clubs. You know, clubs that have much lower crowds and much less people watching the game.
Clubs that include many social clubs whose primary focus is to promote the cultural identity of the founders of the club, and who just by chance happen to also field football team, although for many of the members of those clubs care it might as well be an Aussie Rules or Rugby League team. Why, even recently a poster on this forum from an NPL club wrote how 3 of his mates had ditched watching a football match because they preferred to go and watch an Aussie Rules match instead. It seems that many NPL supporters only support the social club due to either a family tradition, or to enjoy the other activities the clubs offer. eg hospitality, gaming, social events etc.

It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. 
I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game.

The average npl follower is likely to watch dozens and dozens of games over the course of winter. To say they dont love the sport is ridiculous. They follow it when the average hal follower has returned to watching afl and nrl. I've already watched 15 npl games and its only 7 rounds in, chuck in numerous lower state league matches, womens games and juniors,  chances are ive taken in more football in the space of a month than the average hal fan does in over a year. I've passed through 20 social clubs already and it hasnt diminished my experiencs. 

Your overall eg is ultimately comparing larger top tier crowds to significantly lower state level crowds. In other words its like saying fans of the afl love the sport more then fans who follow the vfl or a local footy team. Its a nonsense claim. 

And the award for the most stupid comment this year goes to Mark from croydon, congratulations.