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baggygreenmania - 3 Dec 2018 9:42 AM
There is one salient point that seems to have been overlooked in all the pre Indian series hooha. Why are we not playing a Brisbane test? Is this another case of  CA brownnosing  the BCCI. If so then all of its weak as water members should be sacked . First they acquiesced to the BBCI over dropping the Adelaide  pinkie day/niter  and now the Test on the only surface on which Indian batsmen most struggle has been canned. This organisation is supposed to to have at heart the Australian cricketer and the Australian cricket supporter .. not its own self interests. It is an embarrassment. Why is the ACA not jumping up and down about this. Or am I being naive?
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None of this would have anything to do with the ACA... (who presumably encourage more money coming into the game so its players get those pay rises).

Anyway - Aussie got a 4 test series with India, and it is the prime tour of the summer so it gets the the prime venues. MCG test, SCG test, Adelaide and Perth won over the Gabba. So if the Gabba was to prevail, there would be no Perth or Adelaide. Someone was going to be unhappy either way.

On the bright side for the Gabba - is they now get a day night test with Sri Lanka. 

Australia is unable to dictate terms to the BCCI and throw its weight around with them. They BCCI is far richer than Australia, and Australia is the one pocketing all the Indian broadcast money from their tour. So CA has to, like the rest of the world keep them happy if they want the Indian rupees. If India does not want to play day night tests, or does not want to use DRS, there is no way to force them to. They'll just say, oh well - 3 test series then... BCCI is more than happy to chop tests out of tours - they did it to SA this year... And after CA cancelled on hosting Bangladesh this year, they're out of street cred...

India treats England and Australia very well. By way of comparison, India has only played 2 tests in New Zealand dating back to 2010. So CA is doing very well out of India... Your board has managed to secure you 12 in this time before NZC host them again... So CA is doing very well in earning the rupees. The cost for these rupees was not playing a day night test this year. Seems like a good deal to me. I don't think BCCI could care less about the Gabba scheduling or not. That would be all CA.  BCCI did refuse a day night test, though.

The sad reality is, which global fans have to adjust to, having the BCCI tour is a financial privilege for the smaller boards (and this includes all smaller boards than the BCCI) - it is not a right. Just ask Pakistan...


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To put things into a little perspective;

The BCCI just sold the IPL for 5 years at USA 2.5bn dollars.

CA just sold all its home broadcast rights (tests, odi, BBL, JLT, Shield,) to Fox for 1bn USA dollars for 6 years (1.18bn AUD) 

CA will top that up with selling these Indian tours back to India and the world. How much money do you think Fox pays BCCI for when Australia tour there? Peanuts comparatively I imagine. Peanuts. Whereas CA took out over 200m out of India selling its home rights. Ditto for England.

This is where the BCCI's money comes from:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/ipl-to-give-bcci-95-percent-of-its-surplus/articleshow/62894670.cms

THE IPL. Most of the BCCI revenue is generated via IPL. India does not need all that much intl cricket to make money. They get less than a bn from it hosting. So does Australia you may say - but look at those IPL revenues again. And then they try and get some media right fees when touring. And this is what many people fail to understand. But everyone else wants India's rupees. Pakistan is desperate for India to tour again.

Everyone else makes money off playing India at home, India though has a government giving free broadcast of the Indian home games at home, and ICC games anywhere, so they are not worth their otherwise true value. But even then some advertisements can be rebroadcast to the entire world... DLF maximum, sporty suzuki, honda... it all adds up...

CA and the ECB make money out of India. Big big money. India makes money out of its IPL. It does not need CA or the ECB...

Compare this to 6 years ago:



The landscape is changing at a rapid pace now. The bigger concern is not India touring terms - but that they will want to grow the IPL brand, instead of April and May, maybe February and March as well. Or March and June... And this will happen, the question is - will they take down England or take down NZ, SA, and Aus?

If they go into March NZC effectively dies, because CA has already taken Christmas with SA. If they go into June and July - they cause ECB no end of grief...

Trust me - India not playing a day/night test is not an issue facing world cricket. The fact they are getting into a position where they could potentially buy out the entirity world cricket is much more an issue... Because here is the thing, outside the big 3 BCCI, ECB and CA... the rest of the nations are flat broke. And the BCCI could simply become the new ICC and give up its unequal share of proceeds for the entire control of world cricket...



That will leave CA with only the ECB to play unless they both fall into line behind the BCCI as well... and England will fall in line because it will not survive trying to take on the IPL in June...  They will reluctantly support the BCCI because they do not have a choice. The BCCI can wreck their home season. The touring teams will be dreadful bar the Ashes (and Pakistan) every 4 years... BCCI has literally played Cricket Australia at its own game... and already won...

This all started with CA support of the Big 3... when Tim May realised the problems and wanted to undo it - it was too late... the BCCI had grown too big already... NZ, WI, SA, Afg, Bang... do not have enough money to stop its players retiring intls and joining the IPL... so it is what it is... the BCCI has the cricketing world in its palm.

BCCI is using the same business type model that saw de Beers rise to the top and dominate the diamond industry... It can control its supply, set its own price, and buys remaining suppliers at under value, because it can still outbid the competition...

And it learnt the game was possible from World Series Cricket when Kerry bought the WICB... and whatever world players he wanted... If he had sought to take over internationally then entirely, this problem would not currently exist...

The international players themselves from outside the Big 3 are the big winners, fans of cricket outside of supporting BCCI teams, less so if their interests differ from what the mainstream Indian fan wants... 

KW earns nearly 4 times as much playing in the IPL as he does captaining NZ... That is how much of a money disparity England and Australia let intl cricket get under. But in 10 years time, it could start effecting England and Australia as well... BCCI just simply saw a way to cash in on it... Now everyone complains about the BCCI, the problems are systemic and deep-rooted in wealthy board selfishness that goes back to the introduction of the commercial TV era... Intl cricket is not an entitlement... And the BCCI will teach that to everyone... Because they did not set the framework, they just rose to the top within it...




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I've just read in the paper today that Kohli averages 160 plus in Australia, or did in the last series here.

Wow!

To be so effective  on wickets completely different from Asia is amazing - and a sign of  great quality.
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Decentric - 4 Dec 2018 7:57 AM
I've just read in the paper today that Kohli averages 160 plus in Australia, or did in the last series here.

Wow!

To be so effective  on wickets completely different from Asia is amazing - and a sign of  great quality.
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/2278/india-tour-of-australia-2014-15/stats#/?statsType=mostRuns&seriesType=bilateral&seriesId=2278&matchTypeId=1&seriesTeam1=2&seriesTeam2=4

Kohli's great quality, no doubt. 

The problem for Indians in Australia is their bowlers could not get wickets cheaply enough. All the Aus bowlers like Harris, Lyon, Starc and Johnson went at mid 30's, Haze at 29, whereas Shami went at mid 30's, and Sharma, Ashwin and Yadav went at near 50! Arun went at over 70!  Kumar 160!

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/2278/india-tour-of-australia-2014-15/stats#/?statsType=lowestEcon&seriesType=bilateral&seriesId=2278&matchTypeId=1&seriesTeam1=2&seriesTeam2=4



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Paddles - 3 Dec 2018 12:38 PM
To put things into a little perspective;

The BCCI just sold the IPL for 5 years at USA 2.5bn dollars.

CA just sold all its home broadcast rights (tests, odi, BBL, JLT, Shield,) to Fox for 1bn USA dollars for 6 years (1.18bn AUD) 

CA will top that up with selling these Indian tours back to India and the world. How much money do you think Fox pays BCCI for when Australia tour there? Peanuts comparatively I imagine. Peanuts. Whereas CA took out over 200m out of India selling its home rights. Ditto for England.

This is where the BCCI's money comes from:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/ipl-to-give-bcci-95-percent-of-its-surplus/articleshow/62894670.cms

THE IPL. Most of the BCCI revenue is generated via IPL. India does not need all that much intl cricket to make money. They get less than a bn from it hosting. So does Australia you may say - but look at those IPL revenues again. And then they try and get some media right fees when touring. And this is what many people fail to understand. But everyone else wants India's rupees. Pakistan is desperate for India to tour again.

Everyone else makes money off playing India at home, India though has a government giving free broadcast of the Indian home games at home, and ICC games anywhere, so they are not worth their otherwise true value. But even then some advertisements can be rebroadcast to the entire world... DLF maximum, sporty suzuki, honda... it all adds up...

CA and the ECB make money out of India. Big big money. India makes money out of its IPL. It does not need CA or the ECB...

Compare this to 6 years ago:



The landscape is changing at a rapid pace now. The bigger concern is not India touring terms - but that they will want to grow the IPL brand, instead of April and May, maybe February and March as well. Or March and June... And this will happen, the question is - will they take down England or take down NZ, SA, and Aus?

If they go into March NZC effectively dies, because CA has already taken Christmas with SA. If they go into June and July - they cause ECB no end of grief...

Trust me - India not playing a day/night test is not an issue facing world cricket. The fact they are getting into a position where they could potentially buy out the entirity world cricket is much more an issue... Because here is the thing, outside the big 3 BCCI, ECB and CA... the rest of the nations are flat broke. And the BCCI could simply become the new ICC and give up its unequal share of proceeds for the entire control of world cricket...



That will leave CA with only the ECB to play unless they both fall into line behind the BCCI as well... and England will fall in line because it will not survive trying to take on the IPL in June...  They will reluctantly support the BCCI because they do not have a choice. The BCCI can wreck their home season. The touring teams will be dreadful bar the Ashes (and Pakistan) every 4 years... BCCI has literally played Cricket Australia at its own game... and already won...

This all started with CA support of the Big 3... when Tim May realised the problems and wanted to undo it - it was too late... the BCCI had grown too big already... NZ, WI, SA, Afg, Bang... do not have enough money to stop its players retiring intls and joining the IPL... so it is what it is... the BCCI has the cricketing world in its palm.

BCCI is using the same business type model that saw de Beers rise to the top and dominate the diamond industry... It can control its supply, set its own price, and buys remaining suppliers at under value, because it can still outbid the competition...

And it learnt the game was possible from World Series Cricket when Kerry bought the WICB... and whatever world players he wanted... If he had sought to take over internationally then entirely, this problem would not currently exist...

The international players themselves from outside the Big 3 are the big winners, fans of cricket outside of supporting BCCI teams, less so if their interests differ from what the mainstream Indian fan wants... 

KW earns nearly 4 times as much playing in the IPL as he does captaining NZ... That is how much of a money disparity England and Australia let intl cricket get under. But in 10 years time, it could start effecting England and Australia as well... BCCI just simply saw a way to cash in on it... Now everyone complains about the BCCI, the problems are systemic and deep-rooted in wealthy board selfishness that goes back to the introduction of the commercial TV era... Intl cricket is not an entitlement... And the BCCI will teach that to everyone... Because they did not set the framework, they just rose to the top within it...




Due to a weak as p*** CA, the BCCI has world cricket by the short and curlies.. IPL and BCCI will destroy Test cricket unless something is done..and done fast. Can the ICC or MCC bring down the IPL and stop BCCI from holding the rest of the cricketing world to ransom? If India wants to play IPL let them play it without our elite cricketers.. only has beens and any Asians that wish to..need apply.. People will soon flock back to Test cricket.
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Decentric - 4 Dec 2018 7:57 AM
I've just read in the paper today that Kohli averages 160 plus in Australia, or did in the last series here.

Wow!

To be so effective  on wickets completely different from Asia is amazing - and a sign of  great quality.

I keep telling you.. he feasted on roads, minus the Gabba in 14/15. Btw his average 14/15 was @ 85.. Need to check stats Paddles. Smith was closer to that @160  with an incredible 769 @128. This puts Kholi in the shade.  Warner, Vijay and Rahane also dined out for well above their career averages.
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baggygreenmania - 4 Dec 2018 9:53 AM
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I keep telling you.. he feasted on roads, minus the Gabba in 14/15. Btw his average 14/15 was @ 85.. Need to check stats Paddles. Smith was closer to that @160  with an incredible 769 @128. This puts Kholi in the shade.  Warner, Vijay and Rahane also dined out for well above their career averages.

I gave Decentric the batting stats for a reason baggers. Rogers and S Marsh  dined out as well :P
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baggygreenmania - 4 Dec 2018 9:36 AM
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Due to a weak as p*** CA, the BCCI has world cricket by the short and curlies.. IPL and BCCI will destroy Test cricket unless something is done..and done fast. Can the ICC or MCC bring down the IPL and stop BCCI from holding the rest of the cricketing world to ransom? If India wants to play IPL let them play it without our elite cricketers.. only has beens and any Asians that wish to..need apply.. People will soon flock back to Test cricket.

"Due to a weak as p*** CA, the BCCI has world cricket by the short and curlies.." - Actually - it is more like due to an overly strong and selfishly myopic CA... CA had been playing power games with ICC members for decades, suddenly it got caught out when it was no longer the big fish with England, it was in the Big 3 with India, then it realized too late - dang - this is all heading to India now... And India is taking the power games to boycott levels of ICC events - not just bi-laterals...

"IPL and BCCI will destroy Test cricket unless something is done.. Can the ICC or MCC bring down the IPL and stop BCCI from holding the rest of the cricketing world to ransom? "  - Nopes. It's a free market.  Not unless everyone else wants to take a drastic pay cut and send world cricket back to the 1980's level of funding... I mean people could avoid them Safrica was under the Glen Eagles - but they'd be so many rebel players its not funny. This isn't demonstrating against apartheid - it is simply denying the free market. BCCI would buy whoever they wanted.. Like when Packer bought the entire West Indian team... But I am not sure BCCI wants to destroy test cricket entirely just yet. But the BCCI appears to care more about its own power interests than those issues of a more global nature...

"If India wants to play IPL let them play it without our elite cricketers.." - You're missing the point. AbDV, Gayle, Dre Russ, Narine, Pollard, McCullum... The IPL will simply buy the elite cricketers... Soon it will so rich it will buy Australian and English retirements from current eltie players as well... If they want test cricket, they will buy test teams... be it world teams or african/asian/whatever teams. They can buy national boards. They have the funding... But they can far more simply buy individual votes and get their way through simple politics...

"only has beens and any Asians that wish to..need apply.." - Unfortunately ABdV is very much not a has been... Nor are or were many of the West Indian lads. Noone outside Aus or Eng can go head to head with IPL salaries right now. And soon it will include Aus and Eng....

" People will soon flock back to Test cricket." - this is simply not true.  But test cricket is obviously just the issue you care about most. NZC has just gone 2 years without an away tour, so NZC is barely playing any test cricket these days, and only 4 tests in nearly 2 years, but Australia is still getting plenty of test cricket from India right now. So your boards is making plenty of coin out of India. But that coin comes at a price if you want it to continue to flow. 

The fact is - everyone is making money, huge money, out of the Indian cricket fan. And he's not just living in India. He lives in NZ, Aus, Eng, USA, all over the world... This gives the BCCI unprecedented money, power and influence that England and Australia when they were the only two test nations - never had. 

To you - the IPL is a silly little t20 tournament for 2 months of they year that you could not care less about. For the BCCI - it is a HUGE source of wealth that is completely independent of international cricket. It gives them money, freedom and power that CA never foresaw until it was too late. India can boycott and cancel tours as it sees fit with anyone, anywhere. And not suffer intensely the financial bane of it.

The BCCI is able to buy world cricket over. This includes ECB and CA, with SA, WI, SL, SA, NZL, etc That is how big the Indian cricket market is. And the only Australian who foresaw this was Uncle Rupert - who got big in India as soon as he could - he owns Star Sports, he has given them this 2.5bn for the IPL, and 1 bn for BCCI home games, but Sony is giving him competition for wider intl rights... And the Indian government has not always made things easy for Rupert's profit making activities... as they like to free to air the ICC India and finals games for example - despite Rupert having bought the rights...
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"Due to a weak as p*** CA, the BCCI has world cricket by the short and curlies.." - Actually - it is more like due to an overly strong and selfishly myopic CA... CA had been playing power games with ICC members for decades, suddenly it got caught out when it was no longer the big fish with England, it was in the Big 3 with India, then it realized too late - dang - this is all heading to India now... And India is taking the power games to boycott levels of ICC events - not just bi-laterals...

"IPL and BCCI will destroy Test cricket unless something is done.. Can the ICC or MCC bring down the IPL and stop BCCI from holding the rest of the cricketing world to ransom? "  - Nopes. It's a free market.  Not unless everyone else wants to take a drastic pay cut and send world cricket back to the 1980's level of funding... I mean people could avoid them Safrica was under the Glen Eagles - but they'd be so many rebel players its not funny. This isn't demonstrating against apartheid - it is simply denying the free market. BCCI would buy whoever they wanted.. Like when Packer bought the entire West Indian team... But I am not sure BCCI wants to destroy test cricket entirely just yet. But the BCCI appears to care more about its own power interests than those issues of a more global nature...

"If India wants to play IPL let them play it without our elite cricketers.." - You're missing the point. AbDV, Gayle, Dre Russ, Narine, Pollard, McCullum... The IPL will simply buy the elite cricketers... Soon it will so rich it will buy Australian and English retirements from current eltie players as well... If they want test cricket, they will buy test teams... be it world teams or african/asian/whatever teams. They can buy national boards. They have the funding... But they can far more simply buy individual votes and get their way through simple politics...

"only has beens and any Asians that wish to..need apply.." - Unfortunately ABdV is very much not a has been... Nor are or were many of the West Indian lads. Noone outside Aus or Eng can go head to head with IPL salaries right now. And soon it will include Aus and Eng....

" People will soon flock back to Test cricket." - this is simply not true.  But test cricket is obviously just the issue you care about most. NZC has just gone 2 years without an away tour, so NZC is barely playing any test cricket these days, and only 4 tests in nearly 2 years, but Australia is still getting plenty of test cricket from India right now. So your boards is making plenty of coin out of India. But that coin comes at a price if you want it to continue to flow. 

The fact is - everyone is making money, huge money, out of the Indian cricket fan. And he's not just living in India. He lives in NZ, Aus, Eng, USA, all over the world... This gives the BCCI unprecedented money, power and influence that England and Australia when they were the only two test nations - never had. 

To you - the IPL is a silly little t20 tournament for 2 months of they year that you could not care less about. For the BCCI - it is a HUGE source of wealth that is completely independent of international cricket. It gives them money, freedom and power that CA never foresaw until it was too late. India can boycott and cancel tours as it sees fit with anyone, anywhere. And not suffer intensely the financial bane of it.

The BCCI is able to buy world cricket over. This includes ECB and CA, with SA, WI, SL, SA, NZL, etc That is how big the Indian cricket market is. And the only Australian who foresaw this was Uncle Rupert - who got big in India as soon as he could - he owns Star Sports, he has given them this 2.5bn for the IPL, and 1 bn for BCCI home games, but Sony is giving him competition for wider intl rights... And the Indian government has not always made things easy for Rupert's profit making activities... as they like to free to air the ICC India and finals games for example - despite Rupert having bought the rights...

Really Rupert Murdoch owns Star Sports. He is a clever operator since his early days with the one Adelaide newspaper. His story is fascinating. Watch Paper Wars if you can find it. An Aussie mini series about Rupert's rise to the top.
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baggygreenmania - 4 Dec 2018 8:21 PM
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Really Rupert Murdoch owns Star Sports. He is a clever operator since his early days with the one Adelaide newspaper. His story is fascinating. Watch Paper Wars if you can find it. An Aussie mini series about Rupert's rise to the top.

Aussie's media moguls have been very effective. Rupert is a canny operator. Packer, while not as sharp, knew what the public wanted and how to win them over (which is a gift in itself)... 

Yeah Rupert has made an effort not to tie Star with Fox - to keep Indian fans onside and to downplay it in the wide-stream to protect his wider interests...

I've probably watched it - I have followed those two men's careers (I used to be a league fan)...
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Reckon most of our elite cricketers would expect hell to freeze over first before they sold themselves for the IPL dollar over Test cricket. With the money most are now earning they can afford to snub their noses at the dictatorial BCCI and its IPL"cash cow". Our Test boys are on record as saying that to don the Baggy Green is the pinnacle of the sport for them. Yes what you say about the BCCI buying whoever they want may have worked 40 years ago. But canny Kerry changed all that. Since that time the elite Australian cricketer has been well remunerated. 
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baggygreenmania - 4 Dec 2018 8:26 PM
Reckon most of our elite cricketers would expect hell to freeze over first before they sold themselves for the IPL dollar over Test cricket. Yes what you say about them buying whoever they want may have worked 40 years ago before Kerry came onto the scene and paid our top blokes what they deserved. Our Test boys are on record as saying that to don the Baggy Green is the pinnacle of the sport for them. With the money most are now earning they can afford to snub their noses at the dictatorial BCCI and its IPL"cash cow".

2m for playing tests for Aus or 10m for playing IPL...

Goodbye test players...

:P

It is easy for them to talk big when the IPL pays less than CA, but when it significantly outpays them - you'll see the free market in action...

Baggy Green is a Steve Waugh myth that even Mark Waugh, his twin, and Shane Warne, their star player, never bought into :P

It's a hat. It's a great job. It's the best job maybe. But it's a job and if a better one comes along, it's no longer the best job...

Would Bob Dylan go electric to sell more records? Would Elvis wear silly suits in Las Vegas to earn more money? Would John Travolta make B grade movies to earn more money?

As ACDC said... Money talks...

I am now going to go watch Shane Warne advertisements for India Pepsi, Pakistan Pepsi and Brett Lee songs for IPL...
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Paddles - 4 Dec 2018 8:29 PM
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2m for playing tests for Aus or 10m for playing IPL...

Goodbye test players...

:P

It is easy for them to talk big when the IPL pays less than CA, but when it significantly outpays them - you'll see the free market in action...

Baggy Green is a Steve Waugh myth that even Mark Waugh, his twin, and Shane Warne, their star player, never bought into :P

It's a hat. It's a great job. It's the best job maybe. But it's a job and if a better one comes along, it's no longer the best job...

Would Bob Dylan go electric to sell more records? Would Elvis wear silly suits in Las Vegas to earn more money? Would John Travolta make B grade movies to earn more money?

As ACDC said... Money talks...

I am now going to go watch Shane Warne advertisements for India Pepsi, Pakistan Pepsi and Brett Lee songs for IPL...

Sorry. the Baggy green is more than just a job.
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CA is contemplating removing a r/hannder Mitch Marsh in preference to a leftie Marcus Harris. Have you not done your homework you knobs.. Ashwin thrives on lefties.. he strikes  twice as often as he does against r/hs.
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Just watched the Adelaide Test of the corresponding series four years ago. Lyon actually won us that game on a last day dust bowl. Do not think he will get to do the same this time if the curator sticks with his pledge to prepare a grassy deck. The series also marked the debut of Josh Hazlewood. 
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Interesting graph in the Tele this morning about how best to remove Kohli. Evidently he is most vulnerable to the good length ball seaming into him. One of Hazlewood's specialities. Our bowlers,specially Starc, need to avoid wide fullies as Kohli feeds on those. Australia's  pacier attack should also be peppering all the Indian bats with bouncers.. Kohli, specially shows a dislike for some chin music.. takes his eye off the ball. 
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baggygreenmania - 5 Dec 2018 8:51 AM
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Sorry. the Baggy green is more than just a job.

Not sure the threatened player's strike of last year really supports your argument here. :P

Nor does the WSC revolution...

Cricket is a livelihood to professional cricketers...


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baggygreenmania - 5 Dec 2018 8:55 AM
CA is contemplating removing a r/hannder Mitch Marsh in preference to a leftie Marcus Harris. Have you not done your homework you knobs.. Ashwin thrives on lefties.. he strikes  twice as often as he does against r/hs.

I wouldn't be worried about Ashwin in Australia... And those lhb batsmen will give Lyon footmarks to bowl at as Shami, Sharma bowl around to lhb, and Starc over to any Indian LHB  keep pounding in... 
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I wouldn't be worried about Ashwin in Australia... And those lhb batsmen will give Lyon footmarks to bowl at as Shami, Sharma bowl around to lhb, and Starc over to any Indian LHB  keep pounding in... 

Good point.
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Paddles - 5 Dec 2018 9:18 AM
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Not sure the threatened player's strike of last year really supports your argument here. :P

Nor does the WSC revolution...

Cricket is a livelihood to professional cricketers...


 The dispute was not so much about the players wanting more money but to maintain the current level. It was more about control. CA wanted to gouge that revenue to give more to grass roots cricket. That removed the control they had over the distribution of  their wages.  That is how I read it.

The major sticking point is CA’s wish to move away from the 20-year-old revenue sharing model, which delivers as much as 26 per cent of cricket revenue back to the players, and instead control a player payment pool of around $500 million over the next five years.

CA says it already spends 70 cents of every dollar it earns on the national team, and cricket’s growth is inhibited by having to share revenue from every single investment with a group which already takes such a huge share of the pie.

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 The dispute was not so much about the players wanting more money but to maintain the current level. It was more about control. CA wanted to gouge that revenue to give more to grass roots cricket. That removed the control they had over the distribution of  their wages.  That is how I read it.

The major sticking point is CA’s wish to move away from the 20-year-old revenue sharing model, which delivers as much as 26 per cent of cricket revenue back to the players, and instead control a player payment pool of around $500 million over the next five years.

CA says it already spends 70 cents of every dollar it earns on the national team, and cricket’s growth is inhibited by having to share revenue. 


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It was a labor union strike action (ACA) over wages to be determined by revenues earned. CA sets the salaries, the ACA threatens strike action if they don't think it is enough. 

It is a job. Aus test cricketers are prepared to go on strike just like a miner or a wharfie...

At least your guys are more upfront about salaries...

McCullum gave NZ a retirement spiel about wanting to be at home more with his family, then changed his mind and signed up for almost every single t20 and t10 league that there is in the world...




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baggygreenmania - 5 Dec 2018 11:10 AM
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Being paid peanuts created the WSC revolution. As you say cricket is a cricketers livelihood. Our top players prior to 1977 were not much better off than our women cricketers were before they came under the umbrella of CA several years ago.

Players were being paid $200 a test and Packer offered them $25,000 a year.

Even that is chicken feed these days. But the players said at the time it felt like Christmas.

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Sure they may have. But at the end of the day money is always relevant in determining career and livelihood decisions... 

The capitalist world we live in promotes this determination. A few bob more, people may more readily accept the pay cut, but as you increase the pay difference, more and more will sell out...



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Paddles - 5 Dec 2018 11:14 AM
baggygreenmania - 5 Dec 2018 11:10 AM

Sure they may have. But at the end of the day money is always relevant in determining career and livelihood decisions... 

The capitalist world we live in promotes this determination. A few bob more, people may more readily accept the pay cut, but as you increase the pay difference, more and more will sell out...



Hesson earlier this year, just out of nowhere announced his instant retirement from NZC cricket. Again he claimed to want more time with his family.

And this is true. He will now work 3 months of the year in a based location (2 months coaching games, 1 month preparing for season and auction), instead of 6 to 9 all over the show, and earn a lot more money coaching in the IPL...

The Indian worship of cricketers and coaches goes beyond their own players too. They idolize all established international cricket personalities. It really is not the worst gig in the world for someone who wants to earn a buck out of cricket. Dhawan goes to Melbourne to escape the fame, Aus cricketers will be able to go there and be worshipped like Brett Lee was and still is...
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