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+x+x+xOh man. Look at those cover drives. Aidan Markram is going to be an all time great, what a talent. Such a shame we can't find batsmen like him in our system. Glorious! Stoinis bowling over 130's now. Haze and Starc have offered nothing threatening on a grassy pitch. This could be a very long summer. I think Baggers said it before but I agree that Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins need to get match fit for bowling in a Test series by playing FC cricket - not bowling in a Mickey Mouse money making ODI series, with no context, other than increasing the coffers of CA. The likes of Stanlake and possibly Coulter- Nile, both good bowlers, barely even play FC cricket. Can't they, and others, do the ODI bowling - which can essentially be defensive, not bowl batters out? Nobody is going to remember who wins this SA ODI series in a few months, but they will certainly remember the results of the Test series this summer. CA get a lot wrong these days. We keep saying it DC but they just wont listen. Are you a Stanlake devotee. I was when he was 19 I saw him swing the ball both ways in a CAX1 match from memory. He is and probably never will be that talented again having had back stress fracture problems. On his day he can be devastating with the bounce and pace he generates.. but when cold he bowls pies for good players to feast on. We want limited overs bowlers who know how to tie down a batsman and build pressure. In short, we need specialist opening and death bowlers . Other than perhaps Starc we do not have one in our Test attack. which CA is doubling up as our ODI attack.
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+xI'm arguing from the premise that Test cricket supersedes the World Cup, Paddles. I'm sure most reading this disagree with me! I do not DC.. but Paddles does have a point. We do want our best players on the paddock to build back spectator confidence. The way I see it is that our best players.. our Test attack is not the best attack for ODI cricket. The object of defending our World championship is after all to put a winning side on the paddock. We do not presently have a side capable of winning it..with bat or ball.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOh man. Look at those cover drives. Aidan Markram is going to be an all time great, what a talent. Such a shame we can't find batsmen like him in our system. Glorious! Stoinis bowling over 130's now. Haze and Starc have offered nothing threatening on a grassy pitch. This could be a very long summer. I think Baggers said it before but I agree that Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins need to get match fit for bowling in a Test series by playing FC cricket - not bowling in a Mickey Mouse money making ODI series, with no context, other than increasing the coffers of CA. The likes of Stanlake and possibly Coulter- Nile, both good bowlers, barely even play FC cricket. Can't they, and others, do the ODI bowling - which can essentially be defensive, not bowl batters out? Nobody is going to remember who wins this SA ODI series in a few months, but they will certainly remember the results of the Test series this summer. CA get a lot wrong these days. I understand that you and Baggers have a counter view which has merit of course. But Starc needs to get his pace back up - because if he sends down 138-142 in an ODI - I don't see how he is ready to bowl 150 in a 20 over a day test spell effort. It isn't like he did not just play 2 test matches in the UAE. Most bowlers bowl faster in ODI than they do in test due to the lighter workloads. I've noticed this reduction in speed too. I also think it better for the likes of Tremain, et al, bowlers who are unlikely to be ever be successful on a range of Test pitches around the world to do the ODI bowling. It isn't just the bowling. 3 times in the last month - NCN has been the top scorer for Australia. People are now betting on him to do this regularly like people bet on Jason Holder (with Pay TV you know how dire the West Indian top order is). Even when Finch and Warner return, there is the need for 4 more batsmen. Further, this may seem outrageous to many, but I think that there is every possibility that Starc gets dropped during the test series this year. I am calling it now. He needs to get his pace back up, or he is limited overs death bowler only with his yorkers. I like the candour of your posting Decentric. You seem like a good bloke. I disagree with you on importance of the World Cups, but I do so respectfully. Thanks. I try to disagree respectfully too. Since we've picked up you, Baggygreenmania, and Mike R, all knowledgeable posters about cricket, to add to Grazorblade's performance knowledge ( a former high level player), and a few others who chip in, this has become the best sports forum I've seen in 13 years of participation. You are good for the ego DC. I do not profess to be an encyclopedia of cricket. I am tho a cricket tragic who thinks he has a fair knowledge of the game having garnered it over 35 years of watching our wonderful sport. I coached juniors but never played at any senior level. I love this game.. and hurt when our Baggy Greens lose. I am confident that Oz cricket will once again rise to the top of the pile given the talent we have coming thru our system.
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+x+xI'm arguing from the premise that Test cricket supersedes the World Cup, Paddles. I'm sure most reading this disagree with me! I do not DC.. but Paddles does have a point. We do want our best players on the paddock to build back spectator confidence. The way I see it is that our best players.. our Test attack is not the best attack for ODI cricket. The object of defending our World championship is after all to put a winning side on the paddock. We do not presently have a side capable of winning it..with bat or ball. I just do not remember the Australian cricket team for limited overs being in such a slump. And it has been going for some years now. I know the Windies used to turn up all the time in the 1980's and win the WSC (but Aus took some wins in the process) - and that was the Windies! Australia still managed to jag the 87/88 World Cup. Kerry Packer effectively gave the world this format with the pyjamas and the lights, Australia kicked butt at it. Still the current world champs, but what is going on? The IPL has definitely helped Indian ODI cricket. The BBL rates highly, gets crowds, maybe increase the number of imported players to raise the standards?
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It would certainly help young players coming through getting to share a dressing room with AB/Gayle etc
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It is not rocket science CA.. pick the best performed in the JLT Cup for the WC. Short has not sold me as yet. Mitch Marsh for him. Add Aaron Finch and George Bailey to the mix.
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+xIt is not rocket science CA.. pick the best performed in the JLT Cup for the WC. Short has not sold me as yet. Mitch Marsh for him. Add Aaron Finch and George Bailey to the mix. I agree (with your rule and your exceptions over a period of time). It is not rocket science.
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I've just realised we have a ODI in Hobart this Sunday.
I relinquished my Tas Cricket Association Associate Membership, because it just wasn't being used. i could take along anyone to FC games and Tests for free with it.
My wife hates cricket, and the few supposed cricket lovers who are friends (outside other TCA members) never seem to get themselves organised to attend!
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+xI've just realised we have a ODI in Hobart this Sunday. I relinquished my Tas Cricket Association Associate Membership, because it just wasn't being used. i could take along anyone to FC games and Tests for free with it. My wife hates cricket, and the few supposed cricket lovers who are friends (outside other TCA members) never seem to get themselves organised to attend! Wish I lived in Tassie and was your mate DC. I am in same boat.
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Had a chuckle over new cricket guru Kerry O'Keefe calling for Warner to bat in the middle order in the World Cup.. as he has.. wait for it.. several gears should we lose early wickets. George Bailey has several gears .. Bear White has several gears, Cal Ferguson has several gears.. Warner has one gear and one gear only Skull. Go back to the ABC.
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+xHad a chuckle over new cricket guru Kerry O'Keefe calling for Warner to bat in the middle order in the World Cup.. as he has.. wait for it.. several gears should we lose early wickets. George Bailey has several gears .. Bear White has several gears, Cal Ferguson has several gears.. Warner has one gear and one gear only Skull. Go back to the ABC. This was on the week before last on the Backpage. I actually think it is a good idea. And its time to stop shunting Finch around which CA has been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. And I think it would be a good role for Warner. Means Lynn and Finch are able to open. (Lynn is useless in the middle - Short has been inept so far against spinners be it IPL, Eng, UAE). Then the middle is controlled by Warner and Smith (the two guys best equipped to deal with spinners as well as seamers). It also gets them partnered up more often, which I think is a good thing for both of them. The rest of the team can then work itself from there (Maxi, Stoinis or MMarsh etc). Warner was the batting backbone of SRH in the IPL. He does have more gears. Losing Lynn to the 4 overs of new ball swing (I am being generous here) is not that great a loss. But Australia need big scores from Finch, Smith and Warner regularly to win. By way of example, Boult took a hattrick yesterday in the 3rd over in the UAE with the ball swinging. That was game over. There was no swing after that. It was a spinner's pitch. England always open up with David Willey in England - just to extract what swing is on offer with the new ball. Sometimes Woakes as well. Plunkett does not take the new ball. If the first ball pitched up to Lynn sails over long off for 6, the bowler will start thinking twice about pitching up to Lynn. After the first few overs - any swing threat will likely be gone. 1 Lynn 2 Finch (c) 3 Smith 4 Warner 5 Maxwell 6 Stoinis/MMarsh 7 Carey 8 Agar 9 Starc 10 Cummins 11 Hazelwood 8 appears to be a problem. Be better if there was a good allrounder spinner in Australia. Doesn't have to be a superstar of the next Shane Warne with Punter batting levels. Just a regular Richie Beanaud type will do.
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Pretorious finally back in the team.
Hope to see him show his skills today.
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+xPretorious finally back in the team. Hope to see him show his skills today. Pretorious 2/26 in his 8th. I'm telling you this guy is a fantastic cricketer suffering quota non-selection.
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its been a tough series but i tell you what I really hope we get to see lynn and maxwell go hard together one of these matches
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6-170 is starting to get a bit ugly really
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Pretorious 3/32. Fantastic cricketer suffering quotas.
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+x+xHad a chuckle over new cricket guru Kerry O'Keefe calling for Warner to bat in the middle order in the World Cup.. as he has.. wait for it.. several gears should we lose early wickets. George Bailey has several gears .. Bear White has several gears, Cal Ferguson has several gears.. Warner has one gear and one gear only Skull. Go back to the ABC. This was on the week before last on the Backpage. I actually think it is a good idea. And its time to stop shunting Finch around which CA has been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. And I think it would be a good role for Warner. Means Lynn and Finch are able to open. (Lynn is useless in the middle - Short has been inept so far against spinners be it IPL, Eng, UAE). Then the middle is controlled by Warner and Smith (the two guys best equipped to deal with spinners as well as seamers). It also gets them partnered up more often, which I think is a good thing for both of them. The rest of the team can then work itself from there (Maxi, Stoinis or MMarsh etc). Warner was the batting backbone of SRH in the IPL. He does have more gears. Losing Lynn to the 4 overs of new ball swing (I am being generous here) is not that great a loss. But Australia need big scores from Finch, Smith and Warner regularly to win. By way of example, Boult took a hattrick yesterday in the 3rd over in the UAE with the ball swinging. That was game over. There was no swing after that. It was a spinner's pitch. England always open up with David Willey in England - just to extract what swing is on offer with the new ball. Sometimes Woakes as well. Plunkett does not take the new ball. If the first ball pitched up to Lynn sails over long off for 6, the bowler will start thinking twice about pitching up to Lynn. After the first few overs - any swing threat will likely be gone. 1 Lynn 2 Finch (c) 3 Smith 4 Warner 5 Maxwell 6 Stoinis/MMarsh 7 Carey 8 Agar 9 Starc 10 Cummins 11 Hazelwood 8 appears to be a problem. Be better if there was a good allrounder spinner in Australia. Doesn't have to be a superstar of the next Shane Warne with Punter batting levels. Just a regular Richie Beanaud type will do. Time to bring back James Faulkner . Marsh in for Maxwell. I would like to have Agar but we need a wristie .. Zampa gets my vote. I prefer Lynn to open and make an early statement. But today he showed he is more than just a power hitter... and Paddles it was in the middle order. I liked the way he got himself in and then when he stepped on the accelerator no bowler was safe. His timing too was impeccable and he even has a defence. He impressed me. Had he got some bat on that one he gloved that ball probably would have sailed over the boundary and he would have had a 50 .. with momentum. His dismissal started the collapse.. brick bats to Maxwell and Stoinis for getting themselves out when we needed the momentum to continue.
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+x+x+xHad a chuckle over new cricket guru Kerry O'Keefe calling for Warner to bat in the middle order in the World Cup.. as he has.. wait for it.. several gears should we lose early wickets. George Bailey has several gears .. Bear White has several gears, Cal Ferguson has several gears.. Warner has one gear and one gear only Skull. Go back to the ABC. This was on the week before last on the Backpage. I actually think it is a good idea. And its time to stop shunting Finch around which CA has been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. And I think it would be a good role for Warner. Means Lynn and Finch are able to open. (Lynn is useless in the middle - Short has been inept so far against spinners be it IPL, Eng, UAE). Then the middle is controlled by Warner and Smith (the two guys best equipped to deal with spinners as well as seamers). It also gets them partnered up more often, which I think is a good thing for both of them. The rest of the team can then work itself from there (Maxi, Stoinis or MMarsh etc). Warner was the batting backbone of SRH in the IPL. He does have more gears. Losing Lynn to the 4 overs of new ball swing (I am being generous here) is not that great a loss. But Australia need big scores from Finch, Smith and Warner regularly to win. By way of example, Boult took a hattrick yesterday in the 3rd over in the UAE with the ball swinging. That was game over. There was no swing after that. It was a spinner's pitch. England always open up with David Willey in England - just to extract what swing is on offer with the new ball. Sometimes Woakes as well. Plunkett does not take the new ball. If the first ball pitched up to Lynn sails over long off for 6, the bowler will start thinking twice about pitching up to Lynn. After the first few overs - any swing threat will likely be gone. 1 Lynn 2 Finch (c) 3 Smith 4 Warner 5 Maxwell 6 Stoinis/MMarsh 7 Carey 8 Agar 9 Starc 10 Cummins 11 Hazelwood 8 appears to be a problem. Be better if there was a good allrounder spinner in Australia. Doesn't have to be a superstar of the next Shane Warne with Punter batting levels. Just a regular Richie Beanaud type will do. Time to bring back James Faulkner . Marsh in for Maxwell. I would like to have Agar but we need a wristie .. Zampa gets my vote. I prefer Lynn to open and make an early statement. But today he showed he is more than just a power hitter... and Paddles it was in the middle order. I liked the way he got himself in and then when he stepped on the accelerator no bowler was safe. His timing too was impeccable and he even has a defence. He impressed me. Had he got some bat on that one he gloved that ball probably would have sailed over the boundary and he would have had a 50 .. with momentum. His dismissal started the collapse.. brick bats to Maxwell and Stoinis for getting themselves out when we needed the momentum to continue. Carey goes.. mature knock by this man. The tail is getting us late runs.. 240 would be competitive at least.
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+x+x+xHad a chuckle over new cricket guru Kerry O'Keefe calling for Warner to bat in the middle order in the World Cup.. as he has.. wait for it.. several gears should we lose early wickets. George Bailey has several gears .. Bear White has several gears, Cal Ferguson has several gears.. Warner has one gear and one gear only Skull. Go back to the ABC. This was on the week before last on the Backpage. I actually think it is a good idea. And its time to stop shunting Finch around which CA has been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. And I think it would be a good role for Warner. Means Lynn and Finch are able to open. (Lynn is useless in the middle - Short has been inept so far against spinners be it IPL, Eng, UAE). Then the middle is controlled by Warner and Smith (the two guys best equipped to deal with spinners as well as seamers). It also gets them partnered up more often, which I think is a good thing for both of them. The rest of the team can then work itself from there (Maxi, Stoinis or MMarsh etc). Warner was the batting backbone of SRH in the IPL. He does have more gears. Losing Lynn to the 4 overs of new ball swing (I am being generous here) is not that great a loss. But Australia need big scores from Finch, Smith and Warner regularly to win. By way of example, Boult took a hattrick yesterday in the 3rd over in the UAE with the ball swinging. That was game over. There was no swing after that. It was a spinner's pitch. England always open up with David Willey in England - just to extract what swing is on offer with the new ball. Sometimes Woakes as well. Plunkett does not take the new ball. If the first ball pitched up to Lynn sails over long off for 6, the bowler will start thinking twice about pitching up to Lynn. After the first few overs - any swing threat will likely be gone. 1 Lynn 2 Finch (c) 3 Smith 4 Warner 5 Maxwell 6 Stoinis/MMarsh 7 Carey 8 Agar 9 Starc 10 Cummins 11 Hazelwood 8 appears to be a problem. Be better if there was a good allrounder spinner in Australia. Doesn't have to be a superstar of the next Shane Warne with Punter batting levels. Just a regular Richie Beanaud type will do. Time to bring back James Faulkner . Marsh in for Maxwell. I would like to have Agar but we need a wristie .. Zampa gets my vote. I prefer Lynn to open and make an early statement. But today he showed he is more than just a power hitter... and Paddles it was in the middle order. I liked the way he got himself in and then when he stepped on the accelerator no bowler was safe. His timing too was impeccable and he even has a defence. He impressed me. Had he got some bat on that one he gloved that ball probably would have sailed over the boundary and he would have had a 50 .. with momentum. His dismissal started the collapse.. brick bats to Maxwell and Stoinis for getting themselves out when we needed the momentum to continue. I'll give you a bit digest, no offence : 1 If Zampa and Faulkner (with no form at all) return, you need to drop one of Haze, Starc and Cummins. 2 Lynn is not a middle order batsman's pimple (he made 18 runs in the 4 balls preceding his dismissal off a fast seamer's bouncer?!) When did Clarke ever get out that way?! Lynn is solely a fast bowling slugger. His averages vs spin are woeful. Purely woeful! 3 Lynn is quality. I believe in him. He is an opening slugger of epic talent. I would select him. But he is not middle order material. He is 'stand and deliver'. He is an opener just as Jayasuriya, Kalu, Greatbatch, McCullum, Roy, Hales, Bairstow et al all or are were. He will slog 100's but not build innings like a middle order bat. 4 Aus middle order is softer than jelly. And all nations are aware of it. 5 There is only one world class attack playing today - it is Safrica's. 6 Aus may win this still, because the SA batting is almost as bad as Australia's if not worse with no Duminy, Amla let alone ABdV. This match is batting "cripple fight" of two teams lacking the current batting resources to win the world cup next year. That may change when senior players return. 7 Pretorious not being a regular selection makes me loathe the quota selection of Safrica. Phelukwayo is nowhere near him in talent. At all. It actually makes me angry. Pretorious is like a modern day Ian Harvey - but he's not missing out to Andrew Symonds - he is missing out to Mick Lewis with a tan. :-) Like I said, no offence - I look forward to your reply. I am just speaking frankly and with forthrightness. This is what I believe. Zampa?! What has he ever done? He may bowl Australia to victory today, and if he does, - it will be his first that I am aware of :-)
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Statc MUCH quicker tonight
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He is bowling balls over 150kph!
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Not Starc’s best ball but De Kock played a bad shot for Zampa to shakily catch in the deep.
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A shaky Markham edged a Starc 150 plus thunderbolt past Finch at 2nd slip.
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On TV it said Starc’s first three overs are the fastest he has ever bowled in terms of average speed.
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Makram just on drove a Starc 151 k ball for 6!
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Hazlewood and Cummins are bowling under 140kph, just putting it there.
H just took a wicket with an edge to Carey.
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Two shocking half trackers from Zampa as his first two balls that went for two 4s.
Z isn’t getting much sideways spin.
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SA won't get near the semi's to choke with this batting.
Pathetic.
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Good catch at mid wicket from Lynn, from a hook off Stoinis.
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+x+x+x+xHad a chuckle over new cricket guru Kerry O'Keefe calling for Warner to bat in the middle order in the World Cup.. as he has.. wait for it.. several gears should we lose early wickets. George Bailey has several gears .. Bear White has several gears, Cal Ferguson has several gears.. Warner has one gear and one gear only Skull. Go back to the ABC. This was on the week before last on the Backpage. I actually think it is a good idea. And its time to stop shunting Finch around which CA has been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. And I think it would be a good role for Warner. Means Lynn and Finch are able to open. (Lynn is useless in the middle - Short has been inept so far against spinners be it IPL, Eng, UAE). Then the middle is controlled by Warner and Smith (the two guys best equipped to deal with spinners as well as seamers). It also gets them partnered up more often, which I think is a good thing for both of them. The rest of the team can then work itself from there (Maxi, Stoinis or MMarsh etc). Warner was the batting backbone of SRH in the IPL. He does have more gears. Losing Lynn to the 4 overs of new ball swing (I am being generous here) is not that great a loss. But Australia need big scores from Finch, Smith and Warner regularly to win. By way of example, Boult took a hattrick yesterday in the 3rd over in the UAE with the ball swinging. That was game over. There was no swing after that. It was a spinner's pitch. England always open up with David Willey in England - just to extract what swing is on offer with the new ball. Sometimes Woakes as well. Plunkett does not take the new ball. If the first ball pitched up to Lynn sails over long off for 6, the bowler will start thinking twice about pitching up to Lynn. After the first few overs - any swing threat will likely be gone. 1 Lynn 2 Finch (c) 3 Smith 4 Warner 5 Maxwell 6 Stoinis/MMarsh 7 Carey 8 Agar 9 Starc 10 Cummins 11 Hazelwood 8 appears to be a problem. Be better if there was a good allrounder spinner in Australia. Doesn't have to be a superstar of the next Shane Warne with Punter batting levels. Just a regular Richie Beanaud type will do. Time to bring back James Faulkner . Marsh in for Maxwell. I would like to have Agar but we need a wristie .. Zampa gets my vote. I prefer Lynn to open and make an early statement. But today he showed he is more than just a power hitter... and Paddles it was in the middle order. I liked the way he got himself in and then when he stepped on the accelerator no bowler was safe. His timing too was impeccable and he even has a defence. He impressed me. Had he got some bat on that one he gloved that ball probably would have sailed over the boundary and he would have had a 50 .. with momentum. His dismissal started the collapse.. brick bats to Maxwell and Stoinis for getting themselves out when we needed the momentum to continue. I'll give you a bit digest, no offence : 1 If Zampa and Faulkner (with no form at all) return, you need to drop one of Haze, Starc and Cummins. 2 Lynn is not a middle order batsman's pimple (he made 18 runs in the 4 balls preceding his dismissal off a fast seamer's bouncer?!) When did Clarke ever get out that way?! Lynn is solely a fast bowling slugger. His averages vs spin are woeful. Purely woeful! 3 Lynn is quality. I believe in him. He is an opening slugger of epic talent. I would select him. But he is not middle order material. He is 'stand and deliver'. He is an opener just as Jayasuriya, Kalu, Greatbatch, McCullum, Roy, Hales, Bairstow et al all or are were. He will slog 100's but not build innings like a middle order bat. 4 Aus middle order is softer than jelly. And all nations are aware of it. 5 There is only one world class attack playing today - it is Safrica's. 6 Aus may win this still, because the SA batting is almost as bad as Australia's if not worse with no Duminy, Amla let alone ABdV. This match is batting "cripple fight" of two teams lacking the current batting resources to win the world cup next year. That may change when senior players return. 7 Pretorious not being a regular selection makes me loathe the quota selection of Safrica. Phelukwayo is nowhere near him in talent. At all. It actually makes me angry. Pretorious is like a modern day Ian Harvey - but he's not missing out to Andrew Symonds - he is missing out to Mick Lewis with a tan. :-) Like I said, no offence - I look forward to your reply. I am just speaking frankly and with forthrightness. This is what I believe. Zampa?! What has he ever done? He may bowl Australia to victory today, and if he does, - it will be his first that I am aware of :-) Then bat Faulkner in Maxwell's position. Has a superior ODI batting record in any case. If our belly is soft then pick our best performed ODI player George Bailey. He proved in that tour match he still has the magic. Were you watching with your eyes closed. Lynny actually consolidated when those early wickets fell. Surprised me. Zampa has been our most successful limited overs bowler. Dont say a whole lot for the others I suppose. If there is a better wristie out there then please put him in Zampa's place. What offence? You are expressing your opinion.
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