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+x+xPujara out, but far too late, this Australian batting line up is not going to get 250+. Shaun Marsh did guide WA to a 330 run chase against SA here in the Shield match with an excellent 163 not out. Time for him to do it at test level. how can you say that? We selected a bunch of good blokes who are mates with powerful people surely thats gotta make up for ordinary 1st class records I am sure a certain last name has helped a couple of players but we have to try and select the best from a group of bad first class records. Only Warner, Smith and to a lesser extent Khawaja have first class records of any note. Averaging a tiny bit over 40 is barely a quality FC batsman, certainly not what is needed for a test match player. It is like trying to pick the least rotten apples from a barrel of rotten apples.
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Lyon doing good here, if we can keep the lead to 300 or under we'll have a very small chance.
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+xLyon doing good here, if we can keep the lead to 300 or under we'll have a very small chance. Lyon doing good now he has a bad pad on the off side. Not having one was a huge mistake.
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+x+x+xPujara out, but far too late, this Australian batting line up is not going to get 250+. Shaun Marsh did guide WA to a 330 run chase against SA here in the Shield match with an excellent 163 not out. Time for him to do it at test level. how can you say that? We selected a bunch of good blokes who are mates with powerful people surely thats gotta make up for ordinary 1st class records I am sure a certain last name has helped a couple of players but we have to try and select the best from a group of bad first class records. Only Warner, Smith and to a lesser extent Khawaja have first class records of any note. Averaging a tiny bit over 40 is barely a quality FC batsman, certainly not what is needed for a test match player. It is like trying to pick the least rotten apples from a barrel of rotten apples. At the moment we have the 3 players you mentioned with exceptional records and half a dozen with averages a tiny bit over forty if we can find 3 such players to play the supporting cast and reproduce such 1st class averages at test level, we have a top 6 that is pretty darn decent. It may not be the world domination of the haydos-ponting-hussey years but at least we should be competitive home and away
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+x+xLyon doing good here, if we can keep the lead to 300 or under we'll have a very small chance. Lyon doing good now he has a bad pad on the off side. Not having one was a huge mistake. I'd say anything under 400 and we have a slim chance I guess it depends how you define slim
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The best thing that can happen for India is that they are bowled out for 300-320 runs. If they are not bowled out they might bat too long and give the draw a chance. However a lead of 300 plus is about 95% an India win, 5% an Australian win. No chance of a draw because Australia will get the runs before the end of the match if they bat well enough to bat that long.
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an even session but india a long way in front so may as well be a loss. If india draw every session from here we lose. We probably need to win 4 of the next 5 to win the match
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc or Haze...
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+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. What about Renshaw... Many thought he was a cert for this game... Renshaw is averaging 19 this Shield season, unfortunately he has hit bad form at the wrong time. Hit some last week in Brisbane Premier League. Only a lazy 375. Wow.
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Pattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level.
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+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. What about Renshaw... Many thought he was a cert for this game... Renshaw is averaging 19 this Shield season, unfortunately he has hit bad form at the wrong time. Hit some last week in Brisbane Premier League. Only a lazy 375. Wow. A good innings but probably not going to do much to get him selected.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Hazlewood, you want to keep the left arm variety. Starc is probably more useful on a wider range of wickets as well.
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great captaincy keeping lyon on
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+xPattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level. He is trying to become an all-rounder. Hence pursuing. But there's batting all-rounders like Sobers and Kallis, and bowling allrounders like Dev, Cairns, Flintoff, Hadlee, Imran, hybrids - like Botham (Miller was a great bowler who rarely bowled and batted high despite a low batting average). What's Holder? He is definitely an allrounder. What type - I do not know - he's the second best batsman and bowler in the WI team.. He started as a bowler, now he's half the team... Ali, Stokes, Curran - are they batsmen? No. They're not bowlers.... They're most definitely allrounders... I consider Ashwin and Jadeja allrounders. They aint making the team as batsmen. But they are allrounders. They score match winning and saving runs regularly.
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+xPattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level. true but having starc and pattinson in the same team is probably the equivalent of an all rounder
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time.
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Lyon is doing it again on his fave Aussie pitch. Pant needs to curb his youthful enthusiasm if he wants to continue playing Test cricket.
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+xLyon is doing it again on his fave Aussie pitch. Pant needs to curb his youthful enthusiasm if he wants to continue playing Test cricket. Nah - Pant won't stop batting this way ever. Pant needs to wicket keep better to keep playing test cricket. This is how Pant bats... FC SR of over 90... http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/931581.htmlHe is a filthy orthodox slogger... Wait until you see Shaw... http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/1070168.htmlTest SR of over 90... As an opener!!! FC at 80... The BCCI does not care - as long as they keep making scores. They intro'd Sehwag to the world after all..
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I wonder if Neville or wade would be better since we don't really have a specialist keeper
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time. Still a good bowler. We had such hi hopes for this kid at 18/19 before his body began telling him he was given it too hard a time... He was going to ruffle the feathers of the best of the best batsmen.. Will Australian cricket ever see another tearaway in the Thommo, Lee, Cummins mould?
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+x+xPattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level. He is trying to become an all-rounder. Hence pursuing. But there's batting all-rounders like Sobers and Kallis, and bowling allrounders like Dev, Cairns, Flintoff, Hadlee, Imran, hybrids - like Botham (Miller was a great bowler who rarely bowled and batted high despite a low batting average). What's Holder? He is definitely an allrounder. What type - I do not know - he's the second best batsman and bowler in the WI team.. He started as a bowler, now he's half the team... Ali, Stokes, Curran - are they batsmen? No. They're not bowlers.... They're most definitely allrounders... I consider Ashwin and Jadeja allrounders. They aint making the team as batsmen. But they are allrounders. They score match winning and saving runs regularly. I would rather say he is trying to improve his batting. All tail enders should be doing so and I think batsmen should be trying to bowl something so that can bowl a few overs when required. Glenn McGrath was a terrible batsman but he tried to improve his batting as well. Mark Waugh was nothing special as an off spinner yet he bowled quite a bit at times when the wicket was flat or spin friendly. The likes of Martyn, Lehmann, Clarke, Border, Katich, Bevan, Steve Waugh, Blewett could all bowl a bit, some better than others but it was handy to have them available for a few overs at times. They were not all rounders, none of them.
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Patterson out for 45 to Cooper who has 2 wickets. Not really the innings needed to push his case for selection.
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+x+x+xPattinson is not an all rounder, he is a bowler who can bat reasonably well. Just because a batsman can bat reasonably well does not make them an all rounder. A true all rounder makes the team in one discipline and goes at least very close to making the team in the second discipline. Sobers, Miller, Botham, Kapil Dev all would have been picked for one discipline even if they had been terrible batsmen or could not bowl. It is nonsense to say player is an all rounder just because they can do the other discipline to a handy level. He is trying to become an all-rounder. Hence pursuing. But there's batting all-rounders like Sobers and Kallis, and bowling allrounders like Dev, Cairns, Flintoff, Hadlee, Imran, hybrids - like Botham (Miller was a great bowler who rarely bowled and batted high despite a low batting average). What's Holder? He is definitely an allrounder. What type - I do not know - he's the second best batsman and bowler in the WI team.. He started as a bowler, now he's half the team... Ali, Stokes, Curran - are they batsmen? No. They're not bowlers.... They're most definitely allrounders... I consider Ashwin and Jadeja allrounders. They aint making the team as batsmen. But they are allrounders. They score match winning and saving runs regularly. I would rather say he is trying to improve his batting. All tail enders should be doing so and I think batsmen should be trying to bowl something so that can bowl a few overs when required. Glenn McGrath was a terrible batsman but he tried to improve his batting as well. Mark Waugh was nothing special as an off spinner yet he bowled quite a bit at times when the wicket was flat or spin friendly. The likes of Martyn, Lehmann, Clarke, Border, Katich, Bevan, Steve Waugh, Blewett could all bowl a bit, some better than others but it was handy to have them available for a few overs at times. They were not all rounders, none of them. Bevan played as a top 4 bowler for Australia in tests when Tubby was not scoring runs. I can give you a link to several tests of this. There's quite a few... Steve Waugh started as an allrounder very much so. He was competing with Greg Mathews for the spot. Mark Waugh was very much an ODI allrounder at the start - seam up fast medium # 3 bowler... Blewett I think may have been tried as an allrounder, just not a good one... But Patto wants the #7 spot as a bowling allrounder, but he could do the same role at 8 (if he's good enough)...
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brilliant work starc
deliberately bowled 2 meters down the legside to lull india into a false sense of security :D
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAt worse the next squad has to be dropping Shaun Marsh and bringing in Joe Burns (yes he had a bad shield knock but hes had consistency over the last few seasons) and drop Finch down the order. But knowing selectors theyll either go unchanged or bring in someone like Larkin or Maddison who dont have the consistency but just got some shield runs. I'd drop everyone with a first class average under forty and replace them with khawaja Burns White Pattison Harris Maxwell Marsh the only one with an average over 40 dropped since he never managed to step up to this level and Harris kept in on the basis of potential There's no hard and fast rules, but I am like you... I want to know solid reasons when someone who does not average 40 in FC is in a test team. England has finally realised that they are better off with all-rounders and wicket-keepers who average the same in FC as the batsmen who they tried before because they bring more to the team with the ball and often in the field as well... Well Head and Handscomb have a wicket keeping background, Handscomb more than Head. We do not have any allrounders who can bat anywhere near well enough. Marsh is probably the best we have and he is nowhere near good enough with the bat. You have to select the best batsmen available and there is hardly any quality around so if the best players are under 40 then there is no option. Harris has averaged over 40 over the last 3 seasons so is an improving batsman even though he his overall average is low. Head has just under performed at Shield level, he came into the SA side as a very young player and looked very promising, just could not get through the 90s early in his career. However he has not really improved on that early promise and his FC average is low. Playing the fake cricket shorter forms of the game has hurt his development. Oh look - not everyone has a Sam Curran running around. NZ doesn't. I would be all over him if we did. Sam Curran only averages 36, but he has multiple motm and a mots already with those runs. He scores them at 8, when the game is on the line. England has built a more than useful team out of spare parts. It is quite extra-ordinary. arguably pattison has a better 1st class record. Much better bowler and only a few runs weaker batsman Patto's a great cricketer. I'd have him in the team even if only 3 seamers :P I don't if Starc or Haze gets dropped. I'd have room for him... Or has he dropped his pace since pursuing this allrounder thing? still has a lot of pace not sure who you drop out of our current pace attack only you have to drop one. Perhaps rotate the other three. Starc for me. If his main attribute is pace then you have a ready made replacement in Pattinson. Patto also brings his other talents to the table. How many matches has he played without breaking down since his return. Question: Why has Cummins dropped his pace. Before his last injury.. his third stress one.. he was still express pace regularly clocking 150ks. Today he is the best part of 10ks slower than then. When he smashed ABDV, Kallis and Amla in 2013 in Safrica on his way to a 6 for not only was he quick but, swung the ball both ways and seamed it. Those back stresses have spoilt what could have been an exceptionally talented cricketer. Cummins has dropped his pace, he is mid 130's often. But he's doing well and getting results... He keeps it outside off, bowls back of a length as a stock ball, he has a plan. Starc just bowls whatever he feels like at the time. Still a good bowler. We had such hi hopes for this kid at 18/19 before his body began telling him he was given it too hard a time... He was going to ruffle the feathers of the best of the best batsmen.. Will Australian cricket ever see another tearaway in the Thommo, Lee, Cummins mould? Ashwin throws away his wicket now.
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+xPatterson out for 45 to Cooper who has 2 wickets. Not really the innings needed to push his case for selection. They'll probably give Moises another go, knowing selectors.
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