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someguyjc - 12 Mar 2019 1:30 PM
robstazzz - 11 Mar 2019 11:38 PM

I agree for the most part, however there is the potential issue of the WUFC v MV derbies where WUFC are the home team. Hypothetically, lets say that by the time the stadium is built, WUFC are getting 10K+ attendance numbers (i'm still sceptical but let's not rule it out just yet). It could then make more financial sense to send the WUFC v MV derby to Geelong to maximise ticket sales.

No I'd still keep it at their new 15k stadium. Is rather look at examples like in England where the small clubs play at their home ground regardless of what sort of crowd they'll get at a bigger venue. 
14k WUFC fans and allocate 1k to MV fans or something similar. 
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RedKat - 12 Mar 2019 5:48 PM
Paywall. Testardi looks uninspiring

Agree on Testardi but because he's Italian Val keeps fapping over him in all of his articles. 

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RedKat - 12 Mar 2019 5:48 PM
Paywall. Testardi looks uninspiring

Opening the link again usually works.
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Paywall. Testardi looks uninspiring

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Looks like they've signed AP.

They're also interested in Ryan McGowan, Inman and Emanuele Testardi.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/local-soccer-sa/90-minutes-sa-stars-on-western-uniteds-radar-ffsa-content-with-contracts-message-and-reds-wleague-talent-sydneybound/news-story/940a9bcb259fdac170ac892b8d7a261b

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robstazzz - 11 Mar 2019 11:38 PM
Heart_fan - 11 Mar 2019 11:31 PM

 I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. 
As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something?

I agree for the most part, however there is the potential issue of the WUFC v MV derbies where WUFC are the home team. Hypothetically, lets say that by the time the stadium is built, WUFC are getting 10K+ attendance numbers (i'm still sceptical but let's not rule it out just yet). It could then make more financial sense to send the WUFC v MV derby to Geelong to maximise ticket sales.
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paladisious - 12 Mar 2019 1:00 PM
Savic - 12 Mar 2019 12:41 PM

That would be a sensible choice of opponent for Ballarat, even if it only shaves just over an hour each way for any away support making the drive.

It would be a very popular away trip for AU fans. May even be more numerous than any WU supporters.
How many does it hold there? I've only ever driven past it..
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robstazzz - 11 Mar 2019 11:38 PM

 I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. 

As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something?

agree with the first point. it takes 30 minutes by train from Geelong to Tarneit. why would they continue to play anywhere else, let alone an oval stadium after they move in?

Some have mentioned knights stadium, but that won't happen. I think Whitten Oval should be looked at as an option. yes I know its oval, but at least its in the west, and its next to a train station. 
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Sounds like they are making progress in order of priority.

Wont be long now before they start providing information on the stadium design.


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Savic - 12 Mar 2019 12:41 PM
Melbcityguy - 12 Mar 2019 10:55 AM

vs. Adelaide United in Ballarat please.

That would be a sensible choice of opponent for Ballarat, even if it only shaves just over an hour each way for any away support making the drive.
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In the worst kept secret they’ve officially announced Calver on a two year deal

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Savic - 12 Mar 2019 12:41 PM
Melbcityguy - 12 Mar 2019 10:55 AM

vs. Adelaide United in Ballarat please.

Sunday afternoon. 3pm.
Thanks.
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Melbcityguy - 12 Mar 2019 10:55 AM

New A-League franchise Western United have kicked an important goal, securing Kardinia Park as a home ground in their inaugural season.

It's understood a deal between the venue, now known as GMHBA Stadium, and Western United will be confirmed this week, with United to play a minimum of seven matches at the home of AFL club Geelong.




GMHBA Stadium also hosts AFL, AFLW and cricket.Credit:AAP

The new club continues to work towards building a new soccer-specific stadium in Tarneit, in Melbourne's west. They hope to have fully embraced their new home by their third season.

One immediate issue that will need to be addressed is that Kardinia Park will host six matches in the women's Twenty20 World Cup in February-March next year, meaning the venue will be off limits for several weeks. The A-League starts in mid to late October.

Western United were awarded the league's 11th licence in December last year. Kardinia Park has used about $250 million of state and federal government funding for upgrades over the past 16 years, in part to help it attract other sports outside of AFL games.

As part of their pitch to gain the A-League licence, United pledged to build their own 15,000-seat boutique stadium, an initiative that would make them unique in the A-League in owning their own ground.

They have entered a private/public partnership with Wyndham Council and are hopeful that their economic model might provide a new pathway for stadium development in Australia.

vs. Adelaide United in Ballarat please.
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New A-League franchise Western United have kicked an important goal, securing Kardinia Park as a home ground in their inaugural season.

It's understood a deal between the venue, now known as GMHBA Stadium, and Western United will be confirmed this week, with United to play a minimum of seven matches at the home of AFL club Geelong.




GMHBA Stadium also hosts AFL, AFLW and cricket.Credit:AAP

The new club continues to work towards building a new soccer-specific stadium in Tarneit, in Melbourne's west. They hope to have fully embraced their new home by their third season.

One immediate issue that will need to be addressed is that Kardinia Park will host six matches in the women's Twenty20 World Cup in February-March next year, meaning the venue will be off limits for several weeks. The A-League starts in mid to late October.

Western United were awarded the league's 11th licence in December last year. Kardinia Park has used about $250 million of state and federal government funding for upgrades over the past 16 years, in part to help it attract other sports outside of AFL games.

As part of their pitch to gain the A-League licence, United pledged to build their own 15,000-seat boutique stadium, an initiative that would make them unique in the A-League in owning their own ground.

They have entered a private/public partnership with Wyndham Council and are hopeful that their economic model might provide a new pathway for stadium development in Australia.
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robstazzz - 11 Mar 2019 11:38 PM
Heart_fan - 11 Mar 2019 11:31 PM

 I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. 
As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something?

I agree, hence why I said that it won’t stack up with their investment in the stadium.

The benefits of the new stadium will be great if they get it right, but operating costs likely still won’t be cheap. The benefit will hopefully be the food/drink and hospitality revenues going into the clubs accounts, which is something most clubs miss out on.

That does create the challenge though of continued representation of areas like Geelong and Ballarat after the first 2 years, but at least the former is on the same train line to the new stadium.
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Heart_fan - 11 Mar 2019 11:31 PM
robstazzz - 11 Mar 2019 11:24 PM

Maybe out of necessity of their situation, but I would argue they do actually represent Geelong though and have gone out of their way to brand themselves as broad as possible to include Western Victoria. Even the logo seems to be more on a WV than a WU :)

Ideally they would still have a game in Gellong even when they move, but that likely won’t stack up as the Wyndham Stadium will need all the content it can to make it pay off. Having a continued presence there would at least provide a stronger case of ‘ownership’ by potential fans of the club.

 I'm sorry but if they have their own 15k football stadium built and decide to play any A-league games away in Geelong they deserve to be blown up for their stupidity. 
As for not having options I'd rather they play out of a regional ground somewhere in Melbourne. I don't know the area we'll but is there anything within 30 minutes drive from Tarneit with 5k capacity like a state league ground or something?
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robstazzz - 11 Mar 2019 11:24 PM
SlashThingy - 11 Mar 2019 8:38 PM

It's a bad idea to play in a city you don't represent, and then to play in a stadium way too big in capacity, and designed not to suit football. So with all these 3 negatives in mind I'm actually being serious that they won't get crowds that some people are dreaming of. I honestly don't expect them to get more than 5k.
A shit decision will get shit crowds. I really hope I'm wrong though. 
Anyways they've signed up to play 7 games a season so it'll be interesting to see where the others will be played but my guess is the derby games will be at AAMI Park.

Maybe out of necessity of their situation, but I would argue they do actually represent Geelong though and have gone out of their way to brand themselves as broad as possible to include Western Victoria. Even the logo seems to be more on a WV than a WU :)

Ideally they would still have a game in Gellong even when they move, but that likely won’t stack up as the Wyndham Stadium will need all the content it can to make it pay off. Having a continued presence there would at least provide a stronger case of ‘ownership’ by potential fans of the club.
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SlashThingy - 11 Mar 2019 8:38 PM
robstazzz - 9 Mar 2019 5:31 PM

I don't know if that is sarcasm or not, but that's really bad.

It's a bad idea to play in a city you don't represent, and then to play in a stadium way too big in capacity, and designed not to suit football. So with all these 3 negatives in mind I'm actually being serious that they won't get crowds that some people are dreaming of. I honestly don't expect them to get more than 5k.
A shit decision will get shit crowds. I really hope I'm wrong though. 
Anyways they've signed up to play 7 games a season so it'll be interesting to see where the others will be played but my guess is the derby games will be at AAMI Park.
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robstazzz - 9 Mar 2019 5:31 PM

I don't know if that is sarcasm or not, but that's really bad.

Honestly, it’s going to be hard for them to maintain any type of core base to work from, so it could well be the case.

it appears they have reached a deal to play in Geelong though:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/western-united-secure-deal-at-kardinia-park-20190311-p513cy.html

New A-League franchise Western United have kicked an important goal, securing Kardinia Park as a home ground in their inaugural season.

It's understood a deal between the venue, now known as GMHBA Stadium, and Western United will be confirmed this week, with United to play a minimum of seven matches at the home of AFL club Geelong.

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Only 7 matches it looks like though, so that leaves a few to play in Ballarat or elsewhere in the western region. 

It will be a fairly nomadic existence for a while, which will be hard to see leading to anything resembling stability.

The interesting question now is where do they use as a training base? I would hope it wouldn’t be a Melbourne Heart type training set up back in the early days, but it’s hard to find a decent facility without pouring cash into a temporary solution.


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Melbcityguy - 8 Mar 2019 6:16 AM

Yeh I agree they could get anywhere between 3k and 4.5k.

I don't know if that is sarcasm or not, but that's really bad.

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actually its the opposite. they were very confident and thought they were over the line. they only got nervous when the old FFA delayed the announcement because no one knew if the new FFA were gonna accept the Deloitte recommendations. Plus it also gave Team 11 more time to get their stadium funding. 

The info is few and far between because they have shit loads to do. Just think about what they have to do... start a team from scratch, sign players and staff. design and build a stadium. find a temporary stadium. find sponsors. enagage the fan base. etc, etc. I don't believe they have the resources yet to do all of this at once, so I do agree that perhaps they were a bit naive and underestimated the tasks at hand.

MvFCArsenal16.8 - 7 Mar 2019 4:40 PM

FWIW, i don't know if this it true or not. I am only speculating. but it makes total sense.  

Yep. Workers are asking questions because  nothing has been said and the council hasn't actually come out and responded to any questions. 
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@ feed the Bronx....yes, they have shitloads to do. Even more reason for giving them the license now but to enter them comp the following season.(have more to do than Macarthur SWS FFS)

And as for using that as an excuse for pisspoor fan engagement....all it takes is ONE Full-Time employee on a modest salary or Hell there are plenty of marketing agencies out there that you could out-source it to if it’s all too hard.  Fair Dinkum...with today’s tech and SM platforms it ain’t that hard to reach out to people.

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Quote.. so I do agree that perhaps they were a bit naive and underestimated the tasks at hand.

Lou has done it all before.
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Melbcityguy - 8 Mar 2019 6:16 AM
I’ve changed my mind a bit the team is looking good if they come in and start winning they could still get a crowd in Geelong

Yeh I agree they could get anywhere between 3k and 4.5k.
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On paper looks like a big city Mariners..some of these players havent kicked a ball for yonks.

Yeah, it looks like a nothing team right now. Their choice of marquee hasn't filled me with confidence.

This teams needs a Honda, or bigger, and right now I don't see that coming from them.

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someguyjc - 7 Mar 2019 4:01 PM
Just playing devil's advocate. I don't actually think they will do anything like that. I'm more of the opinion that they didn't actually expect to get a license and are now completely overwhelmed with the job at hand. That's why info is few and far between.

actually its the opposite. they were very confident and thought they were over the line. they only got nervous when the old FFA delayed the announcement because no one knew if the new FFA were gonna accept the Deloitte recommendations. Plus it also gave Team 11 more time to get their stadium funding. 

The info is few and far between because they have shit loads to do. Just think about what they have to do... start a team from scratch, sign players and staff. design and build a stadium. find a temporary stadium. find sponsors. enagage the fan base. etc, etc. I don't believe they have the resources yet to do all of this at once, so I do agree that perhaps they were a bit naive and underestimated the tasks at hand.

MvFCArsenal16.8 - 7 Mar 2019 4:40 PM
 My neighbours  work for the council  . One of them works in the building  and town planning side. The rumours you heard are swirling in the offices . 

FWIW, i don't know if this it true or not. I am only speculating. but it makes total sense.  

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Melbcityguy - 8 Mar 2019 6:16 AM
I’ve changed my mind a bit the team is looking good if they come in and start winning they could still get a crowd in Geelong

On paper looks like a big city Mariners..some of these players havent kicked a ball for yonks.
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I’ve changed my mind a bit the team is looking good if they come in and start winning they could still get a crowd in Geelong
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Have they bought the shovel at least? 
If it's true as to the councils direct involvement, that'll be heaps handy as the new club should have good access to the works depot. They'll have a lot of shovels that WU can use.
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someguyjc - 6 Mar 2019 4:55 PM

ah, that is a very, very cynical view my friend. but you have missed one crucial aspect... the huge influence the Wyndham council has over the project. from what I understand, they are ones responsible from removing birmingham sports holdings from the bid team. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out they are one of the major shareholders of the team... which would mean the land didn't come for free. 
 My neighbours  work for the council  . One of them works in the building  and town planning side. The rumours you heard are swirling in the offices . 
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