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+x+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently I can believe that. If it was public money you could add a zero to the bill.
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paladisious
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+x+x+x+xGreat looking design. When do they plan to re-develop? No plans to re-redevelop. That image was just an architectural render that was done when they were re-doing the main stand and club facilities. Yeah, the middle part of the building on the right is all they did, but that includes all the modern change rooms and stuff.  10-12k for the whole thing apparently according to a quote from someone involved in the Asian Cup bid. Still looks like a nice ground from that pic. It really is, with all the facilities in the main building all it'll take is more seats to make it an ideal boutique football venue, unfortunately with Ballarat Red Devils/City becoming a basket case they've squandered their chance to take advantage of it in the NPL era. In player facilities terms it's been deemed acceptable for Bahrain's base for the Asian Cup, a Matildas international match and an FFA Cup tie between Melbourne City and Sydney FC so it's clearly up to scratch in that regard.
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State budget: Pallas snubs own seat"There is also no provision for infrastructure for the new A-League soccer stadium at Tarneit, leaving locals scratching their heads as to how they will access the facility once it is complete": https://www.bay939.com.au/news/local-news/105417-state-budget-pallas-snubs-own-seat
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+x+x+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently I can believe that. If it was public money you could add a zero to the bill. I can't see it being that cheap. Otherwise most club owners would be tempted to build their own 20k ground.
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Morsehead Park Stadium cost $14m and included only 500 seats. If they are talking about 15,000 seats, a roof over all seating and corporate facilities a ball park price for a stadium without bells and whistles would be of the order of $5,000 per seat or $75m. As soon as you start increasing the facilities in the western stand for corporates and proper catering facilities and rooms for hire the cost balloons out.
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+xMorsehead Park Stadium cost $14m and included only 500 seats. If they are talking about 15,000 seats, a roof over all seating and corporate facilities a ball park price for a stadium without bells and whistles would be of the order of $5,000 per seat or $75m. As soon as you start increasing the facilities in the western stand for corporates and proper catering facilities and rooms for hire the cost gallons out. You also go from asking $50 for a membership to $50,000 for a suite.
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Gyfox
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+x+xMorsehead Park Stadium cost $14m and included only 500 seats. If they are talking about 15,000 seats, a roof over all seating and corporate facilities a ball park price for a stadium without bells and whistles would be of the order of $5,000 per seat or $75m. As soon as you start increasing the facilities in the western stand for corporates and proper catering facilities and rooms for hire the cost gallons out. You also go from asking $50 for a membership to $50,000 for a suite. $400 a season membership to $20,000 a season for a suite is the prices I've seen in the A-League. If a stadium has high quality finishes and is designed for regular use during the week the per seat cost can double with most of the extra being for back of house facilities for the 10% of capacity that is for corporates and for external users. Depending on the spec is where in between those figures the actual cost per seat sits.
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+x+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently That number is way off, The MV academy set up alone is costing them $18M, and WU is going to have that plus the 15K stadium. Plus look at their stadium design, it isnt just a pitch with seating stands so costs will be significantly higher.
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Why are people so down on Docklands stadium? I'm not from Melbourne but I've loved it the times I've attended matches there.
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+x+x+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently That number is way off, The MV academy set up alone is costing them $18M, and WU is going to have that plus the 15K stadium. Plus look at their stadium design, it isnt just a pitch with seating stands so costs will be significantly higher. Is that stadium design the original concept pictures for the bid or is there something more concrete out there now that you've seen.
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AJF
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+x+x+x+xHow much will Wyndham stadium cost to build? Apparently 20 to 21 mil. All private backing apparently That number is way off, The MV academy set up alone is costing them $18M, and WU is going to have that plus the 15K stadium. Plus look at their stadium design, it isnt just a pitch with seating stands so costs will be significantly higher. Is that stadium design the original concept pictures for the bid or is there something more concrete out there now that you've seen. PlanningTed TabetMon 17 Dec 18 A-League Unveils New Plans for Western Melbourne Stadium Concepts have been unveiled for a new $150 stadium to be based in Western Melbourne, as part of the A-League's soccer expansion. The new club, under the Western Melbourne Group (WMG), is now set to join the league next season after confirming its licence last week. The deal has involved Wyndham Council awarding four parcels of land to the group who will fund the stadium development as well as neighbouring commercial and residential buildings in an attempt to unlock the added value in an under-utilised area. Various permits are still yet to be approved for the site located 30 kilometres west of Melbourne’s CBD, yet Wyndham Council has indicated they will be fast-tracked with no overlays. Related: First Look at Sydney’s New Football Stadium  Image: Populous
WMG board director and former Socceroo Steve Horvat said the new development set to be built in Wyndham will break new ground for football in Australia as the first fully soccer-owned senior stadium in the country.
“We share the vision of taking A-League football to the next level, to growing the game here at home and taking the Australian game to Asia,” Horvat said. Wyndham City Council appointed experienced sports and business executive Kate Roffey to oversee the deal with wider plans for economic growth and development potential in the region. The franchise model was said to be modelled on new teams recently added to Major League Soccer in North America, with investors potentially emerging as owners of hundreds millions of dollars worth of surrounding commercial and residential property. “We travelled to the USA, and saw what Los Angeles FC we're doing and that has become the template,” Horvat said. “If you followed that they’ve done in the last 12 months, it's been nothing short of remarkable.” Once complete the masterplan could include a new hotel, numerous office buildings and residential projects. Related: City of Miami Backs Beckham's New Stadium  Image: Populous
The Populous designed stadium will seat 15,000 as well as provide training facilities, a sports science treatment centre and research institutes.
“We will fund the entire construction with private investment so that government money can be used where it is needed most, for the community clubs that have girls and boys missing out on playing our beautiful game every year because of a lack of grounds and facilities,” WMG announced in a statement. “The announcement paves the way for an exciting and innovative sporting and infrastructure project for the Western Melbourne community.” The stadium will also be based on the train line from Melbourne to Geelong with the Sayers Road station located on the development site. WMG plans to begin construction on the stadium next year with the entire project anticipated within about six years. The team will be based at Geelong’s Kardinia Park for their first three seasons as the stadium is constructed.
Link: https://theurbandeveloper.com/articles/plans-for-western-melbourne-stadium-moves-ahead- 
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+xWhy are people so down on Docklands stadium? I'm not from Melbourne but I've loved it the times I've attended matches there. First of all it's an oval, so visibility is not that good football. Atmosphere can be good, but more often than not it's not that great. Then there is the more subjective opinion that it simply has no personality. It doesn't have the heart and soul that some grounds seem to have. It's not just us football people that dislike it either, the AFL community don't really care for it either. I wouldn't at all be surprised if it is demolished and rebuilt within the next 20 years.
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JoyfulPenguin
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Okay now the club is stuffed, I live two suburbs away and Google Maps can't find a public transport link there.
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Tim Pallas is the Vic treasurer and nearly lost his seat in the last state election to independent Joe Garra, mainly due to the fact that its a Labor stronghold region that has been neglected by the state government over the years. I know Joe Garra a little bit. He's a Victory fan, but strongly in favour of the whole WU project in Tarneit. If he stands in the 2022 election, he may well win if the status quo remains. That'll put pressure on the government to do more infrastructure-wise in the Wyndham region at some point in the next 3 years.
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+xTim Pallas is the Vic treasurer and nearly lost his seat in the last state election to independent Joe Garra, mainly due to the fact that its a Labor stronghold region that has been neglected by the state government over the years. I know Joe Garra a little bit. He's a Victory fan, but strongly in favour of the whole WU project in Tarneit. If he stands in the 2022 election, he may well win if the status quo remains. That'll put pressure on the government to do more infrastructure-wise in the Wyndham region at some point in the next 3 years. He did not nearly lose his seat in the state election, he won by over 27% it's one of the safest seats in the State.
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+xHe did not nearly lose his seat in the state election, he won by over 27% it's one of the safest seats in the State. actually we're both wrong. a quick google search says Pallas had a 3% swing against him and still holds the seat by 12%. But he lost 11% of the primary vote. its clear there was a protest vote against him in an election where almost every seat swung towards Labor.
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+x+xHe did not nearly lose his seat in the state election, he won by over 27% it's one of the safest seats in the State. actually we're both wrong. a quick google search says Pallas had a 3% swing against him and still holds the seat by 12%. But he lost 11% of the primary vote. its clear there was a protest vote against him in an election where almost every seat swung towards Labor. Mate check the results from the actual Victorian Electoral Commission here, he was hardly in trouble especially considering they didn't even need to do the last round of preferences. If you don't even need to go to two party preferences to win then your seat is one of the safest in the land: https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Results/State2018/WerribeeDistrict.html
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+x+xWhy are people so down on Docklands stadium? I'm not from Melbourne but I've loved it the times I've attended matches there. First of all it's an oval, so visibility is not that good football. Atmosphere can be good, but more often than not it's not that great. Then there is the more subjective opinion that it simply has no personality. It doesn't have the heart and soul that some grounds seem to have. It's not just us football people that dislike it either, the AFL community don't really care for it either. I wouldn't at all be surprised if it is demolished and rebuilt within the next 20 years. Lot's of football grounds around the world are ovals ( This morning's Europa League final as an example ) . Go up to the 2nd or 3rd Level & visibility is fine, not to mention the local amenities nearby & it's easy to get to location.
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+xMate check the results from the actual Victorian Electoral Commission here, he was hardly in trouble especially considering they didn't even need to do the last round of preferences. If you don't even need to go to two party preferences to win then your seat is one of the safest in the land: https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Results/State2018/WerribeeDistrict.html I did mate and I accept I was wrong. but so were you. its 12.6%, not 27%. and I stand by my words that there was a protest vote against him when you factor in the trends. https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/guide/werr/
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The ABC article is assuming preferences were distributed from the Liberal candidate, they didn't end up being, so the seat is 27% to Labor. Pallas reached above 50% before the Liberals preferences were required.
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+xIt seems behind closed doors Team 11 were being told by the State Government there would be funding in future for their stadium, but the government would not publicly state that whilst there was a rival bid out there telling everyone they would fund their own stadium. Played like a violin. Dandenong council came out and said they won't develop the land and are holding it in reserve for team 11, how long is another question, but it shows intent.
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+x+x+xWhy are people so down on Docklands stadium? I'm not from Melbourne but I've loved it the times I've attended matches there. First of all it's an oval, so visibility is not that good football. Atmosphere can be good, but more often than not it's not that great. Then there is the more subjective opinion that it simply has no personality. It doesn't have the heart and soul that some grounds seem to have. It's not just us football people that dislike it either, the AFL community don't really care for it either. I wouldn't at all be surprised if it is demolished and rebuilt within the next 20 years. Lot's of football grounds around the world are ovals ( This morning's Europa League final as an example ) . Go up to the 2nd or 3rd Level & visibility is fine, not to mention the local amenities nearby & it's easy to get to location. No they aren't and this argument is beyond irritating. 1. AFL ovals are far wider than typical Athletics stadiums and the view is worse, particulary because AFL grounds always somehow manage to have shockingly bad rakes on Level 1. 2. Athletics grounds in Europe don't get their pitch ruined by Cricket wickets. 3.Just because Europe has a lot of Athletics grounds they are stuck with, doesn't mean people don't universally hate them and wish they were bowled over. E.G For all the history and tradition of Hampden Park in Glasgow, it is overwhelmingly hated in Scotland to the point that even Old Firm teams would prefer watching Cup Finals and NT games in each others stadiums.
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If you're curious as to what the Ballarat ground actually looks like on TV, NPL put up a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzWF1kmc4N0I've been there myself for a pre-season friendly, and as you can tell from the stream there's fuck all stadium-wise besides the main stand. Parking was extremely limited too, I remember having to walk down a few suburban streets to get to the game. Going to need a lot of doing-up if it's going to be A-league appropriate.
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+x+xIt seems behind closed doors Team 11 were being told by the State Government there would be funding in future for their stadium, but the government would not publicly state that whilst there was a rival bid out there telling everyone they would fund their own stadium. Played like a violin. Dandenong council came out and said they won't develop the land and are holding it in reserve for team 11, how long is another question, but it shows intent. That's really encouraging, considering what prime real estate it is right next to the station.
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+x+x+xIt seems behind closed doors Team 11 were being told by the State Government there would be funding in future for their stadium, but the government would not publicly state that whilst there was a rival bid out there telling everyone they would fund their own stadium. Played like a violin. Dandenong council came out and said they won't develop the land and are holding it in reserve for team 11, how long is another question, but it shows intent. That's really encouraging, considering what prime real estate it is right next to the station. Or it's really stupid.
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+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? 5 teams in Melbourne will depend on how many teams will be in the A-League. You can't be southern state centric when the rest of the country has good possibilities, particularly an already decentralized Queensland. That's not good for the growth of the game. Anyway, population growth forecasts change. Once South East Queensland was the fastest growth area and the Brisbane airport was scheduled to get bigger than that of Melbourne's. Centralizing 5 teams in one city (note not state) vs 1 in Queensland is hardly clever.
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+x+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? 5 teams in Melbourne will depend on how many teams will be in the A-League. You can't be southern state centric when the rest of the country has good possibilities, particularly an already decentralized Queensland. That's not good for the growth of the game. Anyway, population growth forecasts change. Once South East Queensland was the fastest growth area and the Brisbane airport was scheduled to get bigger than that of Melbourne's. Centralizing 5 teams in one city (note not state) vs 1 in Queensland is hardly clever. Queensland’s own worst enemy is the states monopoly on its stadiums. Any new side basically has to sign up to a crippling deal making it an unviable investment. Population wise alone yes Brisbane could sustain a second side as well as Gold Coast but the above factor makes things very tough compared to say a South Melbourne who has favourable terms on its lease.
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+x+x+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? 5 teams in Melbourne will depend on how many teams will be in the A-League. You can't be southern state centric when the rest of the country has good possibilities, particularly an already decentralized Queensland. That's not good for the growth of the game. Anyway, population growth forecasts change. Once South East Queensland was the fastest growth area and the Brisbane airport was scheduled to get bigger than that of Melbourne's. Centralizing 5 teams in one city (note not state) vs 1 in Queensland is hardly clever. Queensland’s own worst enemy is the states monopoly on its stadiums. Any new side basically has to sign up to a crippling deal making it an unviable investment. Population wise alone yes Brisbane could sustain a second side as well as Gold Coast but the above factor makes things very tough compared to say a South Melbourne who has favourable terms on its lease. Given a willing party, the opportunity for a non government small stadium is possible, but if not I'm sure there are clubs in Queensland that have "favourable terms on it's lease" but that's only a minor part why a club should be selected. SM Hellas needs its community's willingness to broaden its appeal and supporter base but that's a massive order and unlikely.
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+x+x+xSay team 11 are the 4th melbourne team, is there anyway SM could still join the comp? Or is 5 melb teams too much? 5 teams in Melbourne will depend on how many teams will be in the A-League. You can't be southern state centric when the rest of the country has good possibilities, particularly an already decentralized Queensland. That's not good for the growth of the game. Anyway, population growth forecasts change. Once South East Queensland was the fastest growth area and the Brisbane airport was scheduled to get bigger than that of Melbourne's. Centralizing 5 teams in one city (note not state) vs 1 in Queensland is hardly clever. Queensland’s own worst enemy is the states monopoly on its stadiums. Any new side basically has to sign up to a crippling deal making it an unviable investment. Population wise alone yes Brisbane could sustain a second side as well as Gold Coast but the above factor makes things very tough compared to say a South Melbourne who has favourable terms on its lease. The ideal place to position a new team in Brisbane is Dolphin Oval. It’s a perfect ground with soon to be 15,000 seats. In north Brisbane it still has a population catchment area of over 1 million people
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