Might not even get Korea if they draw with China tonight (or lose).

We're a fickle bunch :)

I think his point when posting that coaches list is that all the countries are looking for a step up, looking for a better option than local coaches.  Sure, as you describe a C grade journeyman, but probably a better option for them than any local option. Someone also laughed at Verbeek for Oman, but its also a step up for Oman, getting a coach that has had both World Cup and Asian Cup coaching experience with Australia and South Korea. Its not a bad appointment for Oman.  
What would your opinion be if Oman had hired Arnold as their head coach instead of Verbeek?   Would you call Arnie a D grade journeyman, since he's had less international experience than Verbeek?

Verbeek is a terrific appointment for Oman. I just think the standard of coaching here is probably higher than in the middle east, so we can afford to appoint locals at this point. Arnold and Ange before him are probably better than most journeymen on that list, so just because Qatar and Lebanon feel the need to keep appointing suspect Europeans, it doesn't necessarily follow that we should too. 

I don't think Arnold is a journeyman at all (yet). It's too soon to judge him as a national team coach, but he's done impressive things in the a-league and I think he deserves a chance. 

Don't think this is a fair reading at all.  Looking at that list of coaches for Asian nations, many of which are almost as good as us (or better) we are pretty much on our own in employing local coaches.  It's definitely possible that our local coaches are just better than the rest of Asia, or maybe the rest of Asia is completely wrong, but when you are the odd country out it does give you pause for thought that maybe we are doing this for the wrong reasons and hiring local coaches because they are Aussie not because they are the best option.  I am really wary of the idea that we become kinda insular and out of pride put in locals whenever we can, instead of only when there are locals who are the best option.  Hard to tell right now how far in either direction we are going, or what the FFAs thinking is like but that chart gave me a new perspective.

A European coach is not automatically better. But there are plenty of European coaches around, better than any Australian.

That's why you need competent Football people in charge of the FFA, who are capable of picking the right one.

We need one for the long term, like the Iranians have. 

Overseas coaches are never long term. They are journey men.

If we want the best we can get out of our team they must understand the Australian football culture and mentality.

Only one overseas coach came close, Hiddink.

Carlos Queiroz has been with Iran since 2011. It also matters how you treat the coach and if likes living in Australia. 

I would never appoint an Aussie coach who has not had at least 3 years of success in one of the top 5 European leagues.

That will take another 10 to 20 years to happen. 

Lippi, Scolari, Tabarez and Pekerman are all nearing retirement so you can forget about them. Also, Bielsa is tied up to Leeds and Low is most likely going to RM. 

Those are the only managers with international pedigree that are in the Hiddink category of being head&shoulders above our local coaches. 

Outside of those, there are very few who have the pedigree to navigate qualification in Asia and perform at a World Cup, while instilling a football culture and playing style. 

There are plenty more. Plenty. 

Name them...

The best teams in Asia, Japan and Korea, employ local coaches, so we're hardly on our own. Iran probably would too if not for their long-lasting love affair with Quieroz. It makes sense that the better countries have perfectly adequate coaches at home, so it eventually becomes unnecessary to throw bags of money at some foreign journeyman who probably wouldn't do any better than the locals.

Ange and Arnie were both decent choices imo. Since we clearly can't afford any kind of foreign superstar, we might as well give our own a chance to prove themselves. 

Arnold is on a base of 1.4 a year lol, nearly double what we paid Hiddink. 

Money wasn't really an objection, ambition and comfort was. 

I hear Holger Osieck is available.

I think you'll be waiting a while for a reply

What do you mean 'money wasn't an objection'?  1.4 is completely average by international standards. It would be in the bottom third of the coaches at last year's world cup. There's no way we could get anyone really worthwhile for that kind of money. 

Not really. 

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/fifa-world-cup-coaches-salaries/

Factor in the ease a top manager would have in navigating AFC+WC qualification in this region, they'd be well and truly pushing the top 50%. 

Those figures are in pounds. When you convert, you find that Arnie is earning about 780,000 pounds, which puts him close to Morocco's Herve Renard and the Icelandic coach.  Like I said, bottom third. 

You also need to factor in interest, most foreign coaches jump on Asian teams for a world cup and that's it. They couldn't give a shit about qualification which is what you are trying to say and the better ones aren't inclined to avoid a challenge. So you either offer a load of money to compensate for that fact, or you hire someone who wants the job.

Too many to list. 
If I get  paid I will find them! I'm not doing the job for this overpaid CEO for nothing! 

South Korea = Paulo Bento

1.4m AUD isn’t that much tbh for an NT manager. If that’s all the FFA are willing to spend for the qualifiers then Arnie is your best pick based on his CV at the time.

If Arnie tanks the Asian Cup, he should go and the FFA will probably need to dig deeper for a better foreign coach.

Dont let facts get in the way! 

Well ok. They had a Korean coach at last year's world cup where they beat Germany 2-0.

Board meeting at the moment ... apparently Gallop has found there's a loophole in Arnie's contract.

I know you are prob trolling but i hope this is true 

There would surely be clear performance criteria in his contract.

Arnold still IN