A group of people, including an Australia born person who was living in the New Zealand massacred Muslims at Friday prayer in two mosques in Christchurch
The Australian born person live streamed his attack on one of the mosques showing him killing many people. 
However the start of the video shows him driving to the mosque and in this section he apparently tells people to subscribe to this PewdiePie, who I have never heard of before. He seems to a youtube blogger with a controversial reputation but has absolutely nothing to do with this terrorist attack.

My thoughts with the families who have lost loved ones. May God offer them a rest in green pastures.

I've always wondered what the point of Pewdiepie is???

What is he all about?

Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg, known online as PewDiePie, is a Swedish YouTuber, comedian and video game player–commentator, best known for his YouTube video content, which has mainly consisted of Let's Play commentaries, vlogs, and comedic formatted shows. 

One suspect has been released as police found they were an armed civilian trying to help police.  Jacinda arden is going to change gun laws. She looked broken yesterday. 

Yup, this is their Port Arthur.

-PB

What the fuck is wrong with Fraser Anning?  He is not right in the head.

He is doubling down on his comments too. He actually posted 7 hrs ago that'll he be down in Melbourne.  Saying our forefathers fought for freedom of speech  .I have no words for the waste of oxygen 

He is human garbage.  I think he received 19 votes in the last election but then I see him lionised on facebook as the voice of reason.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/19-people-got-this-bloke-a-200k-job/news-story/f8d8aaa83f0c2bcab53626455a3698d6

There aren't enough pejoratives in the English language for scum like him.

It's weird that the most racist, xenophobic, African gang-fearing rhetoric comes from Western and North Qld where, besides your local Chinese restaurant, you'd be lucky to run into a non-white immigrant.

It's like the inverse square law.  The further you are away from immigrants the more fearful you are of them.  I understand people in Sydney or Melbourne bitching about things like this but why some bloke west of Julia Creek or north of the Daintree wants to rant and rave about it blows my mind.

  

The media like waleed aly  said on the project are trying to validate his  views alongside Paulines . 

Thanks for the answers dudes.

Are NZ gun laws more relaxed than ours. Interesting to read more details this morning.

Read the 4chan posts.
Seen the footage.
Followed his travel itinerary. 
Saw his archived Twitter and Facebook posts. 

Surely more arrests to follow.

It was a loan Australian terrorist who did the shooting at two mosques, two others have been arrested but its not clear what their roles are, he came to New Zealand in 2017 with the express purpose of massacring the innocent. He chose New Zealand to make a statement after being radicalised in Europe. He wasn't even targeting us, he was targeting the world we just happened to be the stage.

Also, who cares about Pewdiepie. 50 innocent people were killed in cold blood by a coward. Get some perspective.

I worked as part of the relief effort after the Canterbury earthquake. That city has been through so much tragedy, it's unthinkable that it's had more.

I don't care about Pewdiepie, I was answering a question otherwise I would not have commented on him. Yet you have a go at me for being helpful.

Fishing for easy votes when up for re-election, doesn't need many.

-PB

Let's hope those 18 people who voted for him don't get him re elected again. 

Do yourselves a favour and read his manifesto. This man is not a "right wing extremist" he is a communist. He says so himself.

He says that the nation that most closely aligns with his political beliefs is the People's republic of China. He compares himself to a modern day Nelson Mandela, who committed acts of violence to free his people and was eventually liberated. This idiot thinks he will also be freed in the future.

He is an environmentalist and uses the high birth rates of Muslims as a reason for the overpopulation of the planet.

He rails against individualism. He is pro-collectivist. He wants more government control over people. He goes at length to criticise conservatives harshly. He is VERY against capitalism and corporate greed. He believes in worker's rights to own the means of production. He does not support Donald Trump's policies.

He wants the democrats to take away people's guns in the US to spark a civil war. That's one of the main reasons he used semi-automatic assault rifles in the attack.

He does also comment briefly about how he feels about marxists/antifa and the like. How he wishes they would die. This is of course, at odds with his pro-communist views. 

There is no doubt this man is an evil white supremacist, white nationalist who describes himself as an eco/ethno fascist. Just goes to show how fascism aligns far more closely to communism than it does to capitalism and modern conservatism. Let's hope there is a speedy trial where he can be thrown in jail for life and receive some good old-fashioned prison justice for his crimes. I am however concerned that this will turn into a circus where he can spout his propaganda to the world.

i saw some of the manifesto

what he had hoped to do is to split America in 2 dividing the country on racial grounds, push America into abolishing the second amendment and potentially start a civil war.

i hope American dont buy into this crap

Umm Wtf.  Wtf happened to you ? Also welcome back I guess 

He's what's called an "accelerationist" - for things to get better, they've got to get alot worse first (or as someone else characterised it: "the only way out is through"). 

To engender a racial awakening in white-majority nations, an all out race-war must be started so we finally realise the evils of living in a multi-ethnic society and finally revert to racially homogeneous nations. Presumably, this shooting was an attempt to hasten this awakening and spread his message. 



You're not wrong. Most ethno-nationalists hate capitalism because it's godless and soulless, reducing everyone's worth to their ability to be productive and generate an income and generally exploits the poor.  Fascism actually has its roots in socialism and Marxism, so to characterise this bloke as "right-wing" isn't accurate in my opinion.

Yup, he wants firearms to be banned in NZ because they hadn't stood up for themselves or some shit.

They will play into his hands lol

-PB

What did he actually say? 

Shame this cowardly murdering slime bag didn't try to shoot it out with the cops.   May he die in prison & rot in hell.  

Jesus Christ, anyone who thinks fascism has a basis in Marxism needs to read a history book. Badly.

Why do (presumably) moderate people feel the need to reinvent history in order to blame the "other side" for all forms of extremism?

I'm left of center and I think Marxism is stupid, but I've never felt compelled to insist that Marxism has some right-wing basis - because that would be dumb.

You can condemn extremism without having to totally disassociate your side of politics from it.

This. It's both embarrassing and fucking stupid that some right wingers are trying to link this guy to the left and especially Marxists.

It's a bit like how some right wingers try and claim that Hitler was a leftist.

Lolol the irony

Early Italian Fascist political theory drew heavily from the works of Marx and Engels. Basically, the train of philosophical thought was Marxism (all property is publically owned so to prevent exploitation of workers) --> Syndicalism (workers own the means of production through unions) --> Fascist Syndicalism (fusing class struggle with nationalism) --> Mussolini and Fascism. Mussolini was himself an ardent socialist before he evolved into a syndicalist and then a fascist. 

Educate yourself before embarrassing yourself with such stupid comments. 

Wow, this is impressively wrong. Most idiots who conflate fascism and Marxism do so through wilful ignorance of history. In your case, it seems like you've tried to read about it, but have only managed to fixate on buzzwords that suit your ideology without reading the content in between.

Mussolini's brand of syndicalism specifically rejected class struggle (the essence of Marxism) in favour of class collaboration: i.e. workers and employers collectively owned production and made economic decisions in conjunction with the state. That's about as fundamental a difference from Marxism as you can get.

Meanwhile, once Mussolini and Hitler came to power, they disempowered trade unions (they were totally banned in Germany) and privatised previously state-owned enterprises (admittedly by giving control to political allies, but that's just crony capitalism for you). They constantly demonised Marxists and socialists with their propaganda. And all of this goes without mentioning their intense social conservatism around race, women and sexuality.

To say fascism is in any way left-wing, or has any basis in Marxism, is dead wrong.

This is exactly what’s wrong with politics in the internet age: people are more interested in exonerating “their team” (even if that team includes scumbag extremists) than they are in objectivity. Before the early 2000s it would’ve been nigh on impossible to find someone who’d genuinely attempt to conflate fascism and Marxism. The recent rise of right-wing populism seems to have changed that, and it’s a load of bullshit.

Fantastic post.

Blamed muslim immigration for the shooting.  I can't find a link only a jpeg but this is a direct quote.

"The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place."

According to Anning NZ is a hotbed of Muslim extremism?!

It is the manifesto of an uneducated person, Nuff said.

Woah nice strawman dude. I never "conflated" the two, just stated that the ideological origins of fascistic movements are borne out of a reading of Marxism which is factually true.  Obviously as the twentieth century progressed the two ideologies diverged quite a bit and culminated in the conflicts of the second world war. Good rant though

Regardless I don't want to derail the thread any longer, if you want to respond feel free to do so through PM or whatever

Changing your argument halfway through doesn't make my response to your original claim a "strawman." 

You said that fascism had its roots in Marxism and that it drew heavily from Marx... which is only "factually true" if you believe that directly rejecting an ideology and offering an alternative to it counts as "drawing heavily" from it. That logic would suggest that Trumpism has its roots in neoliberalism because it "drew on it" by responding to neoliberalism and rejecting it out of hand - a pretty intellectually dishonest characterisation.

But anyway, now your argument seems to be that fascism:
a) emerged as a rejection of, and an alternative to, Marxism
b) diverged from Marxism, evolving into an ideology that accepted a class-based society, rejected workers' rights and supported private capital
c) involved extreme social conservatism

And if that's the argument you're making, then we agree completely. The conclusion of that argument would appear to directly contradict your initial implication that fascism wasn't right-wing, but I guess I'm glad you've acknowledged that the original claim was an ahistorical one.