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+x+x+x+xWhy would anyone compare Starc to Archer? Archer is a proper channel wicket to wicket bowler (at pace). Perfect for test cricket. Starc is a pyjama yorker slinger who sprays around long hops and wide balls in between his yorkers.  Starc's basically a better and faster version of Malinga. That's it.
Will have to take your word on Archer. I have never seen him bowl with a red ball against world class opposition.. have you? He is untested at this level. Heh, that's what people said to me before he played ODI's. I'll use the same reply I used then, 'I'll back Archer to be a superstar any day of the week'. And he was a World Cup star, surprise - surprise. I have seen him bowl many white balls to many world class opposition. If he can get a white ball to do anything on a road in an odi, he will love a red dukes with some grass on the pitch. He is a channel - stump to stump bowler. He gets away with it in ODI/T20i whereas Abbas or Philander would struggle, cos of his pace and ability to get bounce. Unlike them, he has all the death options at his disposal too, just like Bumrah. 3 years ago, Archer played his first ever first class game, against the touring Pakistan side. He caused Misbah, Younis Khan, Hafeez, and them all more than a few problems, but Ali tonned up. Sussex rested most their team as is the norm over there. Archer gave the Pakistan test players a shake up. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8499/scorecard/913637/sussex-vs-pakistanis-tour-match-pak-tour-of-eng-2016His very first first class game. Archer could flop this test, or this entire series, especially if his side strain flares up, but he will still be a test superstar imo if he remains fit. He has everything a fast bowler needs. Seam position, release, pace, accuracy, control, and more than a few variations of accurate bouncers, yorkers, even slower balls (more relevant to pyjama cricket). Archer is a compete package. He has everything. He is going to be a superstar. He is so much a better bowler already than Stuard Broad, its not funny. This is why every global cricket fan has been following Archer's progress and career since the u19 tournament where he played for WI. From 2016, he has been on global countdown. Most global cricket fans have wanted to see him in internationals. The kid is a star. The next decade seems set for us to be spoiled with bowling superstars, Bumrah, Rabada, Archer - but also Ngidi, Cummins, Abbas, H Ali, Ferg, Holder is improving rapidly, (Gabriel is already oldish) it could be as interesting as the 1980 - 1995 era of seam bowling. What is his story. He played for Windies at underage level. Did Windies let him go.. or was he poached? I suspect the latter as surely if he was such a prospect then they needed him. Since the 80s great quicks have not exactly fallen from the trees over in the Caribbean. He wasn't poached. Just like all the Indian, Pakistani and South African born talent coming through in Australia, he simply migrated for a better life. The closest it got to poaching was Chris Jordan saying to him after Archer was dropped of WI U-19, while facing him in the nets, come trial for my county, you're going to be a star. So he did. Sussex signed him up, and Archer said he would play for England not WI. If he had moved to England before 18, there would have been no stand down period at all. As I asked RedCat. What is the eligibility criteria for non passport holders now ?
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And not played WI U19 as well. The forum is dying right now - I am unable to edit posts.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhy would anyone compare Starc to Archer? Archer is a proper channel wicket to wicket bowler (at pace). Perfect for test cricket. Starc is a pyjama yorker slinger who sprays around long hops and wide balls in between his yorkers. Starc's basically a better and faster version of Malinga. That's it.
Will have to take your word on Archer. I have never seen him bowl with a red ball against world class opposition.. have you? He is untested at this level. Heh, that's what people said to me before he played ODI's. I'll use the same reply I used then, 'I'll back Archer to be a superstar any day of the week'. And he was a World Cup star, surprise - surprise. I have seen him bowl many white balls to many world class opposition. If he can get a white ball to do anything on a road in an odi, he will love a red dukes with some grass on the pitch. He is a channel - stump to stump bowler. He gets away with it in ODI/T20i whereas Abbas or Philander would struggle, cos of his pace and ability to get bounce. Unlike them, he has all the death options at his disposal too, just like Bumrah. 3 years ago, Archer played his first ever first class game, against the touring Pakistan side. He caused Misbah, Younis Khan, Hafeez, and them all more than a few problems, but Ali tonned up. Sussex rested most their team as is the norm over there. Archer gave the Pakistan test players a shake up. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8499/scorecard/913637/sussex-vs-pakistanis-tour-match-pak-tour-of-eng-2016His very first first class game. Archer could flop this test, or this entire series, especially if his side strain flares up, but he will still be a test superstar imo if he remains fit. He has everything a fast bowler needs. Seam position, release, pace, accuracy, control, and more than a few variations of accurate bouncers, yorkers, even slower balls (more relevant to pyjama cricket). Archer is a compete package. He has everything. He is going to be a superstar. He is so much a better bowler already than Stuard Broad, its not funny. This is why every global cricket fan has been following Archer's progress and career since the u19 tournament where he played for WI. From 2016, he has been on global countdown. Most global cricket fans have wanted to see him in internationals. The kid is a star. The next decade seems set for us to be spoiled with bowling superstars, Bumrah, Rabada, Archer - but also Ngidi, Cummins, Abbas, H Ali, Ferg, Holder is improving rapidly, (Gabriel is already oldish) it could be as interesting as the 1980 - 1995 era of seam bowling. What is his story. He played for Windies at underage level. Did Windies let him go.. or was he poached? I suspect the latter as surely if he was such a prospect then they needed him. Since the 80s great quicks have not exactly fallen from the trees over in the Caribbean. He wasn't poached. Just like all the Indian, Pakistani and South African born talent coming through in Australia, he simply migrated for a better life. The closest it got to poaching was Chris Jordan saying to him after Archer was dropped of WI U-19, while facing him in the nets, come trial for my county, you're going to be a star. So he did. Sussex signed him up, and Archer said he would play for England not WI. If he had moved to England before 18, there would have been no stand down period at all. As I asked RedCat. What is the eligibility criteria for non passport holders now ? https://icc-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/ICC/document/2019/06/30/600ceecb-cc9e-4cb5-90c7-faea47af061d/UPDATED-Player-Eligibility-Regs-20-Oct-2018.pdfHe has a British passport. But this has the rules for every scenario. Englands were more strict than the ICC's - so they had the right to relax them for Archer. There are also different rules for the level played at, and for which member. So Mark Chapman playing for HK causes no stand down when playing for NZ. But one may not simply switch with no stand down between full members. WI is a full member, as is England, so there was a stand down. And because Archer spends so much time over seas, it wasn't even done as swiftly as possible. It was deliberately timed for the WC, though. The general rule of thumb though appears to be 3 years between full members, if you play international u19s or higher. By virtue of his passport, but for hte England 18 year old rule, he could have played immediately with a British Passport. But he had to do the three years cos he played WI U19. I think ECB have the age requirement, not ICC. But I have not read it in full. Either way, he has clearly robbed himself of a couple years of intl cricket, which will more than be made up for financially with just 1 central cricket at the end of the English summer. He is already wealthy from IPL and BBL etc.
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https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2019-08-14For what it’s worth the met office see the first day badly affected by rain...
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+x+x+x+xWhy would anyone compare Starc to Archer? Archer is a proper channel wicket to wicket bowler (at pace). Perfect for test cricket. Starc is a pyjama yorker slinger who sprays around long hops and wide balls in between his yorkers. Starc's basically a better and faster version of Malinga. That's it.
Will have to take your word on Archer. I have never seen him bowl with a red ball against world class opposition.. have you? He is untested at this level. Heh, that's what people said to me before he played ODI's. I'll use the same reply I used then, 'I'll back Archer to be a superstar any day of the week'. And he was a World Cup star, surprise - surprise. I have seen him bowl many white balls to many world class opposition. If he can get a white ball to do anything on a road in an odi, he will love a red dukes with some grass on the pitch. He is a channel - stump to stump bowler. He gets away with it in ODI/T20i whereas Abbas or Philander would struggle, cos of his pace and ability to get bounce. Unlike them, he has all the death options at his disposal too, just like Bumrah. 3 years ago, Archer played his first ever first class game, against the touring Pakistan side. He caused Misbah, Younis Khan, Hafeez, and them all more than a few problems, but Ali tonned up. Sussex rested most their team as is the norm over there. Archer gave the Pakistan test players a shake up. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8499/scorecard/913637/sussex-vs-pakistanis-tour-match-pak-tour-of-eng-2016His very first first class game. Archer could flop this test, or this entire series, especially if his side strain flares up, but he will still be a test superstar imo if he remains fit. He has everything a fast bowler needs. Seam position, release, pace, accuracy, control, and more than a few variations of accurate bouncers, yorkers, even slower balls (more relevant to pyjama cricket). Archer is a compete package. He has everything. He is going to be a superstar. He is so much a better bowler already than Stuard Broad, its not funny. This is why every global cricket fan has been following Archer's progress and career since the u19 tournament where he played for WI. From 2016, he has been on global countdown. Most global cricket fans have wanted to see him in internationals. The kid is a star. The next decade seems set for us to be spoiled with bowling superstars, Bumrah, Rabada, Archer - but also Ngidi, Cummins, Abbas, H Ali, Ferg, Holder is improving rapidly, (Gabriel is already oldish) it could be as interesting as the 1980 - 1995 era of seam bowling. What is his story. He played for Windies at underage level. Did Windies let him go.. or was he poached? I suspect the latter as surely if he was such a prospect then they needed him. Since the 80s great quicks have not exactly fallen from the trees over in the Caribbean. He wasn't poached. Just like all the Indian, Pakistani and South African born talent coming through in Australia, he simply migrated for a better life. The closest it got to poaching was Chris Jordan saying to him after Archer was dropped of WI U-19, while facing him in the nets, come trial for my county, you're going to be a star. So he did. Sussex signed him up, and Archer said he would play for England not WI. If he had moved to England before 18, there would have been no stand down period at all. He wasn't poached. Just like all the Indian, Pakistani and South African born talent coming through in Australia, he simply migrated for a better life.
Unlike Archer who learned all his cricket in West Indies those blokes to which you alluded, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Neser, Renshaw, Uppal all learnt their cricket in Australia. They all came here as either tots or in early teens. If I was head of West Indian cricket I would be rather peeved at both Archer and the ECB as it was the Windies that trained and invested time and money into nurturing Archer..
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+x+x+x+x+xWhy would anyone compare Starc to Archer? Archer is a proper channel wicket to wicket bowler (at pace). Perfect for test cricket. Starc is a pyjama yorker slinger who sprays around long hops and wide balls in between his yorkers. Starc's basically a better and faster version of Malinga. That's it.
Will have to take your word on Archer. I have never seen him bowl with a red ball against world class opposition.. have you? He is untested at this level. Heh, that's what people said to me before he played ODI's. I'll use the same reply I used then, 'I'll back Archer to be a superstar any day of the week'. And he was a World Cup star, surprise - surprise. I have seen him bowl many white balls to many world class opposition. If he can get a white ball to do anything on a road in an odi, he will love a red dukes with some grass on the pitch. He is a channel - stump to stump bowler. He gets away with it in ODI/T20i whereas Abbas or Philander would struggle, cos of his pace and ability to get bounce. Unlike them, he has all the death options at his disposal too, just like Bumrah. 3 years ago, Archer played his first ever first class game, against the touring Pakistan side. He caused Misbah, Younis Khan, Hafeez, and them all more than a few problems, but Ali tonned up. Sussex rested most their team as is the norm over there. Archer gave the Pakistan test players a shake up. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8499/scorecard/913637/sussex-vs-pakistanis-tour-match-pak-tour-of-eng-2016His very first first class game. Archer could flop this test, or this entire series, especially if his side strain flares up, but he will still be a test superstar imo if he remains fit. He has everything a fast bowler needs. Seam position, release, pace, accuracy, control, and more than a few variations of accurate bouncers, yorkers, even slower balls (more relevant to pyjama cricket). Archer is a compete package. He has everything. He is going to be a superstar. He is so much a better bowler already than Stuard Broad, its not funny. This is why every global cricket fan has been following Archer's progress and career since the u19 tournament where he played for WI. From 2016, he has been on global countdown. Most global cricket fans have wanted to see him in internationals. The kid is a star. The next decade seems set for us to be spoiled with bowling superstars, Bumrah, Rabada, Archer - but also Ngidi, Cummins, Abbas, H Ali, Ferg, Holder is improving rapidly, (Gabriel is already oldish) it could be as interesting as the 1980 - 1995 era of seam bowling. What is his story. He played for Windies at underage level. Did Windies let him go.. or was he poached? I suspect the latter as surely if he was such a prospect then they needed him. Since the 80s great quicks have not exactly fallen from the trees over in the Caribbean. He wasn't poached. Just like all the Indian, Pakistani and South African born talent coming through in Australia, he simply migrated for a better life. The closest it got to poaching was Chris Jordan saying to him after Archer was dropped of WI U-19, while facing him in the nets, come trial for my county, you're going to be a star. So he did. Sussex signed him up, and Archer said he would play for England not WI. If he had moved to England before 18, there would have been no stand down period at all. He wasn't poached. Just like all the Indian, Pakistani and South African born talent coming through in Australia, he simply migrated for a better life.
Unlike Archer who learned all his cricket in West Indies those blokes of which you speak, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Neser, Renshaw, Uppal all learnt their cricket in Australia. They all came here as either tots or in early teens. If I was head of West Indian cricket I would be rather peeved at both Archer and the ECB as it was they that trained and nurtured Archer.. Why? They didn't look after him. They dropped him. And they let him get away. Its a migrant world now. I'm sure Australia will find a new Clarrie Grimmett or Kepler Wessells soon enough. You have tried with two Pakistanian legspinners now in Fawad Ahmed and Qadir's son have you not? NZ has actively poached from SA U19's in recent times. I'm okay with that. Archer wasn't even poached. I don't even harbor poor sentiment about Ben Stokes, who also wasn't really poached. These kids are attracted to the FC scene that pays handsomely and gives them opportunities. NZ, SA, WI, we just don't have the money. SA will move to NZ cos they prefer it and feel safer for political reasons. SA will move to England over NZ for money and the easier residency qualification until Brexit happens. You really want to know the truth about Islander rugby talent finding its way into NZ, Aus or into Australian Rugby League? That's serious poaching. Done at a school boy level or above. Cricket is learning from the oval codes how to do it right. If I were Ben Stokes, or Joffa Archer, I would have done the same thing they did.
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While on the subject of Archer, I find this lovely. Joffra Archer has asked England management for Chris Jordan to present him with his cap. What a lovely gesture, and shows Archer is a genuinely grateful person for what Jordan did for him. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49326395Guess Chris Jordan is going to be getting the best tickets to Lords for the Ashes test, then and chill out in the dressing room and media centre at will - and no doubt have lunch with the players. It's the little things that matter at times. Guess Jordan could have a future career as a talent scout for England. ;)
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Ben Stokes moved to England at 12, Archer has an England father, Marnus Labuschagne and Michael Neser moved to Australia at 10 and Khawaja at 5. Archer and Stokes are English. Labuschagne, Neser and Khawaja are Australian.
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+xBen Stokes moved to England at 12, Archer has an England father, Marnus Labuschagne and Michael Neser moved to Australia at 10 and Khawaja at 5. Archer and Stokes are English. Labuschagne, Neser and Khawaja are Australian. lol at Stokes. There is far far far more to the story than that. Stokes was already identified in NZ school boy playing along Corey Anderson as they dominated u13s. Stokes parents moved back to NZ when he was about 14 iirc (16 at the oldest). Stokes was in a cricket scholarship through Durham and schools. But he was backwards and forwards. Stokes was training at the NZ Cricket Academy while on a youth contract with Durham, and still even while playing County Level. But the money was too much there. Despite all his family here. And many friends like Corey Anderson. Like most kids who have parents overseas, they are backwards and forwards endlessly. So was Stokes. He still is to a certain extent. He played domestic here in 2017/18 when he was barred from the Ashes (prob cos they didn't want to seek a visa for him, he didn't need a visa for NZ cos he is still a citizen here). But here's the thing, he was allowed to play because he is still a New Zealand citizen even if though not eligible for the NZC team. He was welcomed in - cos he had long been part of the NZ cricket fraternity. Its why he was always welcomed at the Academy whenever he wanted to turn up. But I agree on your final two sentences. Archer and Stokes are English. They are also Barbadon and Kiwi. And the rest are Australian. I agree. I have known people in similar positions to Stokes and Archer. They quite enjoy having two places to call home. Acher went to Barbados after the WC and partied with Jason Holder. Stokes of course visits his parents and brothers here a lot.
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Following on from that theyve named a 12 man squad with Starc and Hazlewood included and Pattinson omitted
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thats a real shame, I want to see more of pattinson
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+xthats a real shame, I want to see more of pattinson Managing his workload. Besides he did not bowl up to expectations at Edgbaston. Pleased Hazlewood is getting the nod and not Starc. Having accurate seamers in Haze and Siddle will build more pressure against this green Pommie batting lineup. Last thing we want is Starc spraying em all over the place for their white ball sluggers to make hay.
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+x+xthats a real shame, I want to see more of pattinson Managing his workload. Besides he did not bowl up to expectations at Edgbaston. Pleased Hazlewood is getting the nod and not Starc. Having accurate seamers in Haze and Siddle will build more pressure against this green Pommie batting lineup. Last thing we want is Starc spraying em all over the place for their white ball sluggers to make hay. Agreed. Very much agreed. Last year Ishant Sharma had a lot of success just be medium and accurate. Just did his role, didn't look to bowl magic balls, and had success.
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+x+x+xthats a real shame, I want to see more of pattinson Managing his workload. Besides he did not bowl up to expectations at Edgbaston. Pleased Hazlewood is getting the nod and not Starc. Having accurate seamers in Haze and Siddle will build more pressure against this green Pommie batting lineup. Last thing we want is Starc spraying em all over the place for their white ball sluggers to make hay. Agreed. Very much agreed. Last year Ishant Sharma had a lot of success just be medium and accurate. Just did his role, didn't look to bowl magic balls, and had success. Paddles that is a rarity.. agreeing with me. :P
Besides Haze outbowled Starc four years ago. The comms said he used the slope expertly. Hope he can do it again.
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See ya guys. I have been forced from this forum. DC will tell you why.
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+xSee ya guys. I have been forced from this forum. DC will tell you why. WTF?
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+xSee ya guys. I have been forced from this forum. DC will tell you why. How have you been forced out? Nothing I can see publicly.
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I’ve just heard Patto has been rested.
I’m assuming Hazlewood has replaced him?
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I am actually keen to start a discord server for cricket - DC and Baggers. I think its the future over forums anyway.
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London is quite dry.
It has lower rainfall than most Aussie capitals.
Why is is it raining now?
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+xLondon is quite dry. It has lower rainfall than most Aussie capitals. Why is is it raining now? First day of last summer’s Lord’s Test was a washout too I often wonder why some UK based pundits are so enthusiastic about the idea of a 4 day Test system
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+x+xLondon is quite dry. It has lower rainfall than most Aussie capitals. Why is is it raining now? First day of last summer’s Lord’s Test was a washout too I often wonder why some UK based pundits are so enthusiastic about the idea of a 4 day Test system I can’t understand it either.
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+xSee ya guys. I have been forced from this forum. DC will tell you why. oh no!
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Word is all the English major dailies yesterday is that Sam Curran is set to replace Joe Denley. Think about this. That leaves:
1 Burns (unestablished) 2 Roy (whiteball slogger) 3 Root as the only specialist batsmen. With Buttler, Bairstow as wicket keepers (Foakes too), Stokes, Curran, Woakes as allrounders (Ali too), and Archer, Broad and Leach as bowlers (Anderson too).
This English batting problem is farcical.
Sam Curran, though I am sure he will, has never ever hit a single century at FC or even list A level . Not one.
I have always been a fan of Sam Curran's batting since I saw him at Eden Park #2 win a game for Auckland in a Super Smash T20 with over 12 and 13 runs an over required. He came out at #9 and drove his way classically (I'm serious about this) to a match winning 50. The game looked totally lost, so the talent was obvious then despite him still being a nobody on the intl stage.
He has been smashing the Nat West Blast at #3 in a blaster role - not an anchor role, had a fair test vs Ireland batting at 8 and 9 where he made more runs than most, and got 2 50's in the same game against the Aussie tourists at #7 in a warm up. So he is in red hot batting form to carry on from last years glory against India.
But still. He's not really top order material just yet. He is still batting #6 in County. Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Woakes and Curran all should be batting around 6 or 7. England needs a 4 and 5.
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Hazlewood bowling a beautiful line today
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+xHazlewood bowling a beautiful line today He certainly is. Just as Baggers predicted, H has bowled very well taking 2 wickets. Shame Usman dropped a catch in gully off the luckless Siddle.
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+xWord is all the English major dailies yesterday is that Sam Curran is set to replace Joe Denley. Think about this. That leaves: 1 Burns (unestablished) 2 Roy (whiteball slogger) 3 Root as the only specialist batsmen. With Buttler, Bairstow as wicket keepers (Foakes too), Stokes, Curran, Woakes as allrounders (Ali too), and Archer, Broad and Leach as bowlers (Anderson too). This English batting problem is farcical. Sam Curran, though I am sure he will, has never ever hit a single century at FC or even list A level . Not one. I have always been a fan of Sam Curran's batting since I saw him at Eden Park #2 win a game for Auckland in a Super Smash T20 with over 12 and 13 runs an over required. He came out at #9 and drove his way classically (I'm serious about this) to a match winning 50. The game looked totally lost, so the talent was obvious then despite him still being a nobody on the intl stage. He has been smashing the Nat West Blast at #3 in a blaster role - not an anchor role, had a fair test vs Ireland batting at 8 and 9 where he made more runs than most, and got 2 50's in the same game against the Aussie tourists at #7 in a warm up. So he is in red hot batting form to carry on from last years glory against India. But still. He's not really top order material just yet. He is still batting #6 in County. Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Woakes and Curran all should be batting around 6 or 7. England needs a 4 and 5. Burns could really make Aus pay for the Usman dropped catch off Siddle. Burns and Denly have played some good shots. At 2-87 England are recovering.
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Cummins would have had Denly out LBW with a favourable umpire's call as it hit the top of middle stump.
That is a definite decision in England's favour.
If any part of the ball hits the stumps, does the fielding side retain the replay?
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Spiteful over from Cummins.
Poms 2-92.
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