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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium If every team built a stadium like WU are it would cost the league nearly $2 billion This is the biggest non issue in our game at the moment. Instead of finding ways to make small attendances look good, it would actually be cheaper for all teams to just open their gates for free Well don't you agree that ticket prices are way overpriced? Of course they are In the first season, which paved way for the next 2 seasons, there was an understanding of the supply demand curve. You could go to a game (including the Socceroos) for $20 or less. The right price for an unproven league for a non mainstream sport Then after season 3 $20 was added to every Socceroos game and $5 was added to A League prices. Even in season 6 when MV played in their new venue they deliberately charged an extra $2 per ticket than Heart because they were a premium product The A League needs to get its revenue from the TV deal, sponsorship, and owner investment. This is what Newcastle managed to get right One more side point: In leagues like the EPL smaller clubs make money by the demand of touring big teams. We dont have that in our league to the extent we could Yeh I totally agree. It really frustrates me how those running the game don't see this.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions There is for sure an increased amount of negativity around the game and a drop in interest among casual fans, yourself being a prime example, but among Football fans it is pretty much business as usual with perhaps a bit more interest around the independent a-league, new teams and movement towards a second division. The core audience is strong and 12k is about right for Brisbane on a Friday night. The Brisbane team is hardly promising champagne football and I think Brisbane can really use a second team to give people a choice. Thats just a template "not bad considering" response People dont go to the game because of the league ownership or promise of a division that nobody can produce. They go to the game based on what they get for their money on the night. Interesting you mention the new team because Wellington got less for their season opener against WU than the previous season, and the home game of 6k was the lowest of any expansion side, and higher only than CCM's first game As for Brisbane playing poor football, how did that result in 33k for a Melbourne derby at Marvel instead of 40k? And if Brisbane are playing poor football why then is the attendance good just because it can be understood? I dont agree the core audience as strong. Even membership numbers are down. The league is uninteresting which is ironic because it was geared towards everything Strayan sports fans are supposed to like and watch indiscriminately "People dont go to the game because of the league ownership or promise of a division that nobody can produce. They go to the game based on what they get for their money on the night." So you are suggesting that what they were getting on the night a few years ago was better than it is now? Because I disagree, I think the product, for most teams is getting better. Maybe Brisbane was getting better a few years ago but that is an individual team and 12k is about bang on average for a Brisbane game, not bad not good. You are perpetually looking for the negative angle to enforce your negative view but it isn't necessarily the view of the people who still support their teams. Pretty sure membership numbers are about the same as last year, we can check at the end of the year to compare actual numbers.
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Once again i will say it, ticket prices are not expensive. Prices are higher in the English THIRD division ( League 1 ) than they are here.
Please don't tell me the standard is better in league 1 than here either.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions I understand that crowds are down and that it is a slight concern. But I just don't get too caught up in this idea that a 12k crowd is the end of the A-league, while had it been 15k then it is all good. My bigger concern is the fact after 15 years or so we still have nothing done in regards to clubs playing in stadiums more suitable to their fan base numbers. Brisbane Roar shouldn't be playing out of Suncorp. A 52k stadium is too big for any A-league club, even Melbourne Victory. Also I understand that currently there isn't better option, however the problem is that nothing is being done about this. After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium, or at the very least look into putting things in place to close off the top tier of Suncorp and find a way to make it look smaller at least on tv. Personally I don't like comparing crowds from previous seasons, yet ignoring performances and circumstances from previous seasons. Brisbane Roar hasn't been good on the field so that too should be considered and because of that alone I see no worries in a crowd of close to 13k. Ive never understood people who say, for eg, 14k is solid, but 12k is disappointing! robstazzz's prediction of 14k wasnt a prediction of a solid crowd. It was the prediction of a crowd for a team playing poor football and on a Friday night. A "not bad considering" crowd If he had predicted a 25k bumper crowd, and the result was 23k, then it's splitting hairs My point stands. A 2k difference in any game is barely worth registering. I’d split crowds like this: <5k - awful, no matter what, that club is in strife 5-10k - mediocre club, minimal interest 10-20k - solid healthy, our best range 20-50k - our derby crowds, finals, game is in good shape people that say “gee, I was predicting 16k but we only got 13k, which is disappointing”, sound like morons. They’re basically the same number.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions There is for sure an increased amount of negativity around the game and a drop in interest among casual fans, yourself being a prime example, but among Football fans it is pretty much business as usual with perhaps a bit more interest around the independent a-league, new teams and movement towards a second division. The core audience is strong and 12k is about right for Brisbane on a Friday night. The Brisbane team is hardly promising champagne football and I think Brisbane can really use a second team to give people a choice. Thats just a template "not bad considering" response People dont go to the game because of the league ownership or promise of a division that nobody can produce. They go to the game based on what they get for their money on the night. Interesting you mention the new team because Wellington got less for their season opener against WU than the previous season, and the home game of 6k was the lowest of any expansion side, and higher only than CCM's first game As for Brisbane playing poor football, how did that result in 33k for a Melbourne derby at Marvel instead of 40k? And if Brisbane are playing poor football why then is the attendance good just because it can be understood? I dont agree the core audience as strong. Even membership numbers are down. The league is uninteresting which is ironic because it was geared towards everything Strayan sports fans are supposed to like and watch indiscriminately You are perpetually looking for the negative angle to enforce your negative view but it isn't necessarily the view of the people who still support their teams. Its not a negative angle. Its a fact. Attendances are sliding Yes, we dont have attendances of zero which suggests people are going to the game. And I doubt they are going against their will either. So obviously the view of those going is they are enjoying things But the A League seems to be losing fans and failing to build on them at the same time Last night's game was the 4th lowest attendance for a Brisbane opening game
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions I understand that crowds are down and that it is a slight concern. But I just don't get too caught up in this idea that a 12k crowd is the end of the A-league, while had it been 15k then it is all good. My bigger concern is the fact after 15 years or so we still have nothing done in regards to clubs playing in stadiums more suitable to their fan base numbers. Brisbane Roar shouldn't be playing out of Suncorp. A 52k stadium is too big for any A-league club, even Melbourne Victory. Also I understand that currently there isn't better option, however the problem is that nothing is being done about this. After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium, or at the very least look into putting things in place to close off the top tier of Suncorp and find a way to make it look smaller at least on tv. Personally I don't like comparing crowds from previous seasons, yet ignoring performances and circumstances from previous seasons. Brisbane Roar hasn't been good on the field so that too should be considered and because of that alone I see no worries in a crowd of close to 13k. Ive never understood people who say, for eg, 14k is solid, but 12k is disappointing! robstazzz's prediction of 14k wasnt a prediction of a solid crowd. It was the prediction of a crowd for a team playing poor football and on a Friday night. A "not bad considering" crowd If he had predicted a 25k bumper crowd, and the result was 23k, then it's splitting hairs My point stands. A 2k difference in any game is barely worth registering. I’d split crowds like this: <5k - awful, no matter what, that club is in strife 5-10k - mediocre club, minimal interest 10-20k - solid healthy, our best range 20-50k - our derby crowds, finals, game is in good shape people that say “gee, I was predicting 16k but we only got 13k, which is disappointing”, sound like morons. They’re basically the same number. >=10k Good <10k Not bad considering
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions I understand that crowds are down and that it is a slight concern. But I just don't get too caught up in this idea that a 12k crowd is the end of the A-league, while had it been 15k then it is all good. My bigger concern is the fact after 15 years or so we still have nothing done in regards to clubs playing in stadiums more suitable to their fan base numbers. Brisbane Roar shouldn't be playing out of Suncorp. A 52k stadium is too big for any A-league club, even Melbourne Victory. Also I understand that currently there isn't better option, however the problem is that nothing is being done about this. After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium, or at the very least look into putting things in place to close off the top tier of Suncorp and find a way to make it look smaller at least on tv. Personally I don't like comparing crowds from previous seasons, yet ignoring performances and circumstances from previous seasons. Brisbane Roar hasn't been good on the field so that too should be considered and because of that alone I see no worries in a crowd of close to 13k. Ive never understood people who say, for eg, 14k is solid, but 12k is disappointing! robstazzz's prediction of 14k wasnt a prediction of a solid crowd. It was the prediction of a crowd for a team playing poor football and on a Friday night. A "not bad considering" crowd If he had predicted a 25k bumper crowd, and the result was 23k, then it's splitting hairs My point stands. A 2k difference in any game is barely worth registering. I’d split crowds like this: <5k - awful, no matter what, that club is in strife 5-10k - mediocre club, minimal interest 10-20k - solid healthy, our best range 20-50k - our derby crowds, finals, game is in good shape people that say “gee, I was predicting 16k but we only got 13k, which is disappointing”, sound like morons. They’re basically the same number. >=10k Good <10k Not bad considering Yep - that’s a shorter way of putting it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions I understand that crowds are down and that it is a slight concern. But I just don't get too caught up in this idea that a 12k crowd is the end of the A-league, while had it been 15k then it is all good. My bigger concern is the fact after 15 years or so we still have nothing done in regards to clubs playing in stadiums more suitable to their fan base numbers. Brisbane Roar shouldn't be playing out of Suncorp. A 52k stadium is too big for any A-league club, even Melbourne Victory. Also I understand that currently there isn't better option, however the problem is that nothing is being done about this. After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium, or at the very least look into putting things in place to close off the top tier of Suncorp and find a way to make it look smaller at least on tv. Personally I don't like comparing crowds from previous seasons, yet ignoring performances and circumstances from previous seasons. Brisbane Roar hasn't been good on the field so that too should be considered and because of that alone I see no worries in a crowd of close to 13k. Ive never understood people who say, for eg, 14k is solid, but 12k is disappointing! robstazzz's prediction of 14k wasnt a prediction of a solid crowd. It was the prediction of a crowd for a team playing poor football and on a Friday night. A "not bad considering" crowd If he had predicted a 25k bumper crowd, and the result was 23k, then it's splitting hairs My point stands. A 2k difference in any game is barely worth registering. I’d split crowds like this: <5k - awful, no matter what, that club is in strife 5-10k - mediocre club, minimal interest 10-20k - solid healthy, our best range 20-50k - our derby crowds, finals, game is in good shape people that say “gee, I was predicting 16k but we only got 13k, which is disappointing”, sound like morons. They’re basically the same number. >=10k Good <10k Not bad considering Yep - that’s a shorter way of putting it. 9,999 = Mediocre, minimal interest 10,000 = Solid healthy, our best range 2,000 difference = not worth registering By that logic 8,000 is solid healthy, our best range. And in 4 more posts you'll be declaring a crowd of 1 as solid healthy, our best range
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions I understand that crowds are down and that it is a slight concern. But I just don't get too caught up in this idea that a 12k crowd is the end of the A-league, while had it been 15k then it is all good. My bigger concern is the fact after 15 years or so we still have nothing done in regards to clubs playing in stadiums more suitable to their fan base numbers. Brisbane Roar shouldn't be playing out of Suncorp. A 52k stadium is too big for any A-league club, even Melbourne Victory. Also I understand that currently there isn't better option, however the problem is that nothing is being done about this. After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium, or at the very least look into putting things in place to close off the top tier of Suncorp and find a way to make it look smaller at least on tv. Personally I don't like comparing crowds from previous seasons, yet ignoring performances and circumstances from previous seasons. Brisbane Roar hasn't been good on the field so that too should be considered and because of that alone I see no worries in a crowd of close to 13k. Ive never understood people who say, for eg, 14k is solid, but 12k is disappointing! robstazzz's prediction of 14k wasnt a prediction of a solid crowd. It was the prediction of a crowd for a team playing poor football and on a Friday night. A "not bad considering" crowd If he had predicted a 25k bumper crowd, and the result was 23k, then it's splitting hairs My point stands. A 2k difference in any game is barely worth registering. I’d split crowds like this: <5k - awful, no matter what, that club is in strife 5-10k - mediocre club, minimal interest 10-20k - solid healthy, our best range 20-50k - our derby crowds, finals, game is in good shape people that say “gee, I was predicting 16k but we only got 13k, which is disappointing”, sound like morons. They’re basically the same number. >=10k Good <10k Not bad considering Yep - that’s a shorter way of putting it. 9,999 = Mediocre, minimal interest 10,000 = Solid healthy, our best range 2,000 difference = not worth registering By that logic 8,000 is solid healthy, our best range. And in 4 more posts you'll be declaring a crowd of 1 as solid healthy, our best range Impressive. By being pedantic and semantic, you missed the general thrust of the argument, but still won it. Well done!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHonestly what would you have considered a pass? First game of the season, Fowler, perfect weather...15k+ easy. But the new mob totally butchered it. I'm okay with the 15k expectation, but I just don't see how you think Fowler is a drawcard. He's previously played for NQ Fury, then Perth Glory, and now he is here as an unproven manager. If I was a Brisbane Roar fan I definitely wouldn't be pumped about Fowler being signed as manager. Overall though I don't think it is shocking to get over 12k at all. Fowler not a huge drawcard, but certainly would have pulled in a few more than usual. 16-17k was achievable on a saturday or sunday arvo I agree a Saturday day/night game could easily get between 15k and 17k, however I disagree that tonight's crowd is piss poor as you put it. Earlier in this thread I predicted 14,800 and the official attendance was 12,859. Slightly down but not shocking at all. I do agree with you 100% about the fixture list not being the best, but it isn't something you could say FFA would have got right in the past considering they had years of fuck ups themselves. Your prediction was what Brisbane managed to get for their opener last season against CCM who are hardly a crowd bringer This was a game against Melbourne. Perhaps it didnt feel like an opener because they had to wait until round 3 It is undeniable the interest in the league is heading rapidly downwards. Dont forget comparisons to last season are comparisons to a season which in itself was down from the season before that one, and so on. You have to go back to season 9 before you actually see an increase 13k for a Brisbane opener isn't seen as poor because you are used to it. Just like how any TV rating on any platform over 50k is now seen as good I'm not normally one to analyse a single figure but a 20% drop over a 5-6 year period does pose questions I understand that crowds are down and that it is a slight concern. But I just don't get too caught up in this idea that a 12k crowd is the end of the A-league, while had it been 15k then it is all good. My bigger concern is the fact after 15 years or so we still have nothing done in regards to clubs playing in stadiums more suitable to their fan base numbers. Brisbane Roar shouldn't be playing out of Suncorp. A 52k stadium is too big for any A-league club, even Melbourne Victory. Also I understand that currently there isn't better option, however the problem is that nothing is being done about this. After more than 15 years there should have been moves made to build a new 20k stadium, develope something into a 20k stadium, or at the very least look into putting things in place to close off the top tier of Suncorp and find a way to make it look smaller at least on tv. Personally I don't like comparing crowds from previous seasons, yet ignoring performances and circumstances from previous seasons. Brisbane Roar hasn't been good on the field so that too should be considered and because of that alone I see no worries in a crowd of close to 13k. Ive never understood people who say, for eg, 14k is solid, but 12k is disappointing! robstazzz's prediction of 14k wasnt a prediction of a solid crowd. It was the prediction of a crowd for a team playing poor football and on a Friday night. A "not bad considering" crowd If he had predicted a 25k bumper crowd, and the result was 23k, then it's splitting hairs My point stands. A 2k difference in any game is barely worth registering. I’d split crowds like this: <5k - awful, no matter what, that club is in strife 5-10k - mediocre club, minimal interest 10-20k - solid healthy, our best range 20-50k - our derby crowds, finals, game is in good shape people that say “gee, I was predicting 16k but we only got 13k, which is disappointing”, sound like morons. They’re basically the same number. >=10k Good <10k Not bad considering Yep - that’s a shorter way of putting it. 9,999 = Mediocre, minimal interest 10,000 = Solid healthy, our best range 2,000 difference = not worth registering By that logic 8,000 is solid healthy, our best range. And in 4 more posts you'll be declaring a crowd of 1 as solid healthy, our best range lul you never cease to amaze
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28,519 at the Sydney derby.
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Nah, he will probably think of some way to blame the 1.5k not attending on the new FFA.
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+x28,519 at the Sydney derby. So how many less was it than the first Sydney derby last season?
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+x+x28,519 at the Sydney derby. So how many less was it than the first Sydney derby last season? This deserves a 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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28,519 crowd at #SydneyDerby after 12,859 at #BRIvMVC day before - palindromic crowds in consecutive days for only the 3rd time in Aus national league history.Last time was 10,458 for WSW v CCM on 06-Oct-12, followed by 14,085 for Perth Glory v Bris Roar on 07-Oct-12  
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+x28,519 crowd at #SydneyDerby after 12,859 at #BRIvMVC day before - palindromic crowds in consecutive days for only the 3rd time in Aus national league history.Last time was 10,458 for WSW v CCM on 06-Oct-12, followed by 14,085 for Perth Glory v Bris Roar on 07-Oct-12 Saw that on twitter .... I’m still wondering why someone would know this stuff 😂
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+x28,519 at the Sydney derby. For the three major codes their biggest crowds there: NRL and the Eels 29,372 Football and WSW 28,519 Union and the Waratahs 10,605
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So Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen?
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+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know
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+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it?
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+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? It isnt on the FFA website, AusStadiums or the Wikipedia page
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+x+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? It isnt on the FFA website, AusStadiums or the Wikipedia page Not even the Newcastle Herald
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+x+x+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? It isnt on the FFA website, AusStadiums or the Wikipedia page Not even the Newcastle Herald It's pretty pathetic when crowd numbers aren't announced.
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+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news, watched the game, enjoyed it for the most part, even if the Jets let themselves down badly, but on TV, the crowd did look sparse.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? It isnt on the FFA website, AusStadiums or the Wikipedia page Not even the Newcastle Herald It's pretty pathetic when crowd numbers aren't announced. Maybe it was "bad considering"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? It isnt on the FFA website, AusStadiums or the Wikipedia page Not even the Newcastle Herald It's pretty pathetic when crowd numbers aren't announced. Maybe it was "bad considering" Obviously it was, none the less still pathetic that it isn't mentioned. This is something the NRL does alot of each time they get a shocking crowd.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo Newcastle vs Adelaide... Are we just going to pretend that game didnt happen? If you can find the attendance let us know That bad was it? It isnt on the FFA website, AusStadiums or the Wikipedia page Not even the Newcastle Herald It's pretty pathetic when crowd numbers aren't announced. Maybe it was "bad considering" Obviously it was, none the less still pathetic that it isn't mentioned. This is something the NRL does alot of each time they get a shocking crowd. That would be often.
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