A-League Attendances: Season 2019/20


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Gyfox - 20 Jan 2020 4:48 PM
Waz - 20 Jan 2020 4:26 PM

@waz   Is that Springfield proposal going ahead?

Yes. I think the deal is the AFL will lease the complex for 50 years for “a nominal fee” after its built. They’re only putting in about $10m of the $70m required. 

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Waz - 20 Jan 2020 11:14 PM
Gyfox - 20 Jan 2020 4:48 PM

Yes. I think the deal is the AFL will lease the complex for 50 years for “a nominal fee” after its built. They’re only putting in about $10m of the $70m required. 

Where is Springfield, and what's the deal for?

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bettega - 21 Jan 2020 7:59 AM
Waz - 20 Jan 2020 11:14 PM

Where is Springfield, and what's the deal for?

It is a developing area that is part of the Ipswich LGA that planned to have 120k population by 2036.

The project has been on and off again for a while but the latest details are on the link below.

The site was looked at for a small football stadium for an A-League club at one stage when the AFL proposal fell through.

http://www.yourneighbourhood.com.au/brisbane-lions-sports-stadium-ipswich/

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Gyfox - 21 Jan 2020 9:29 AM
bettega - 21 Jan 2020 7:59 AM

It is a developing area that is part of the Ipswich LGA that planned to have 120k population by 2036.

The project has been on and off again for a while but the latest details are on the link below.

The site was looked at for a small football stadium for an A-League club at one stage when the AFL proposal fell through.

http://www.yourneighbourhood.com.au/brisbane-lions-sports-stadium-ipswich/

It's astounding how completely unnecessary that facility is and yet it's getting pushed through.
That's what happens when you have power I guess.
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Gyfox - 21 Jan 2020 9:29 AM
bettega - 21 Jan 2020 7:59 AM

It is a developing area that is part of the Ipswich LGA that planned to have 120k population by 2036.

The project has been on and off again for a while but the latest details are on the link below.

The site was looked at for a small football stadium for an A-League club at one stage when the AFL proposal fell through.

http://www.yourneighbourhood.com.au/brisbane-lions-sports-stadium-ipswich/

That's extraordinary.  I'm looking at the designs for this facility and thinking to myself:  is this for real??
An AFL facility in Ipswich?  WTF?!

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bettega - 21 Jan 2020 12:38 PM
Gyfox - 21 Jan 2020 9:29 AM

That's extraordinary.  I'm looking at the designs for this facility and thinking to myself:  is this for real??
An AFL facility in Ipswich?  WTF?!

It’s very worthwhile football following the same foodchain for investment though - a 10k stadium for $200k/year for 50 years is nothing ... my club rents a football field for $80k/year and we don’t even have exclusive use over the grass. 
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bettega - 21 Jan 2020 12:38 PM
Gyfox - 21 Jan 2020 9:29 AM

That's extraordinary.  I'm looking at the designs for this facility and thinking to myself:  is this for real??
An AFL facility in Ipswich?  WTF?!

It is the training centre for the Brisbane Lions.
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Waz - 21 Jan 2020 12:57 PM
bettega - 21 Jan 2020 12:38 PM

It’s very worthwhile football following the same foodchain for investment though - a 10k stadium for $200k/year for 50 years is nothing ... my club rents a football field for $80k/year and we don’t even have exclusive use over the grass. 

@waz   How much does Roar pay for their training centre?
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Waz - 21 Jan 2020 12:57 PM
bettega - 21 Jan 2020 12:38 PM

It’s very worthwhile football following the same foodchain for investment though - a 10k stadium for $200k/year for 50 years is nothing ... my club rents a football field for $80k/year and we don’t even have exclusive use over the grass. 

Wonder if future HAL bids could really be 3-4 clubs banding together. Not to go all Southern Expansion style though.
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wellington vs jets 10k (i reckon fans will show up it's a pretty certain win and their crowds are building) 
victory vs sydney 20k (do sydney bring big numbers in jan?)
ccm vs brisbane 6K standard 
city vs perth 8k if people don't follow the team nobody will care it's 2nd vs 3rd which is sad 
western vs adelaide 8k hopefully footscray helps them 



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Gyfox - 21 Jan 2020 9:29 AM
bettega - 21 Jan 2020 7:59 AM

It is a developing area that is part of the Ipswich LGA that planned to have 120k population by 2036.

The project has been on and off again for a while but the latest details are on the link below.

The site was looked at for a small football stadium for an A-League club at one stage when the AFL proposal fell through.

http://www.yourneighbourhood.com.au/brisbane-lions-sports-stadium-ipswich/

I wonder how long it will be before Western United get to this stage.
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BBL crowds down 11.5% on last year. Third year running they’re down but CA have their own excuses why:

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/bbl-crowd-numbers-down-for-third-straight-season-20200121-p53td1.html?__twitter_impression=true

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Waz - 21 Jan 2020 8:32 PM
BBL crowds down 11.5% on last year. Third year running they’re down but CA have their own excuses why:

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/bbl-crowd-numbers-down-for-third-straight-season-20200121-p53td1.html?__twitter_impression=true

Pretty valid excuses - weekday afternoon games wont draw crowds when people are at work. Lots of games have been cut short for one reason or another and they have made a bigger push into regional areas.
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southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM
Waz - 21 Jan 2020 8:32 PM

Pretty valid excuses - weekday afternoon games wont draw crowds when people are at work. Lots of games have been cut short for one reason or another and they have made a bigger push into regional areas.

Haha, big cricket fan here, but no BBL for me, looks like many are seeing it for what it is now a stage show with little in the way of a sporting contest.

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robbos - 22 Jan 2020 6:13 AM
southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM

Haha, big cricket fan here, but no BBL for me, looks like many are seeing it for what it is now a stage show with little in the way of a sporting contest.

No bbl for you, doesnt change the fact its extremely popular and the fact that more people are watching live cricket than ever before shows its serving its purpose.

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southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM
Waz - 21 Jan 2020 8:32 PM

Pretty valid excuses - weekday afternoon games wont draw crowds when people are at work. Lots of games have been cut short for one reason or another and they have made a bigger push into regional areas.

Not bad considering?



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southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM
Waz - 21 Jan 2020 8:32 PM

Pretty valid excuses - weekday afternoon games wont draw crowds when people are at work. Lots of games have been cut short for one reason or another and they have made a bigger push into regional areas.

Thank new CA.....
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southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM
Waz - 21 Jan 2020 8:32 PM

Pretty valid excuses - weekday afternoon games wont draw crowds when people are at work. Lots of games have been cut short for one reason or another and they have made a bigger push into regional areas.

I actually don’t care if they are valid excuses - but the same excuses don’t explain why crowds also fell last year and the year before. So they are just “excuses” to my eye. 

BBL crowds are in free fall and tv viewing is following suit. 

As a Cricket fan I’m pleased - people are seeing through it but it’s no surprise (unfortunately) that the next “short form” of the game is being developed ready to usurp BBL when necessary, as BBL did to One Day matches, and as One Day matches did to Test/4-Day Cricket 

As a football fan I’m pleased too. 

Gallop/Lowy went to war with football fans thinking they could rid football of the passion and replace it with family friendly bucket heads. Well it turns out MR and MRS Bucket Head are fickle and you can’t build a sport around them. Hopefully everyone in football notices. 

Secondly, Fox/FTA overpaid for the cricket and it brings football in to a bit of perspective. That’s got to be a good thing. 

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The lesson is clear, building something new, which has long-lasting depth of support, which sustains itself year after year, is actually quite hard.
I look at NRL, it has minimal growth in it, but it has sat on crowd averages of around 15k to 16k for the last 22 seasons, that figure doesn't jump around wildly, it's very, very stable.  It has a long lasting depth of support which sustains it.
It would be nice to build to a situation where we can sustain an average attendance in the range of 13k to 14k for 20 seasons.  That's the real test.  That means some teams sitting on averages of around 18k, others sitting on 9k, and everything in between, but we want to be able to sustain it for a long period.  What we have currently is too many teams sitting around 7k to 9k.

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thekingmb - 22 Jan 2020 8:50 AM
southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM

Thank new CA.....

LOL

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bettega - 22 Jan 2020 10:06 AM
The lesson is clear, building something new, which has long-lasting depth of support, which sustains itself year after year, is actually quite hard.
I look at NRL, it has minimal growth in it, but it has sat on crowd averages of around 15k to 16k for the last 22 seasons, that figure doesn't jump around wildly, it's very, very stable.  It has a long lasting depth of support which sustains it.
It would be nice to build to a situation where we can sustain an average attendance in the range of 13k to 14k for 20 seasons.  That's the real test.  That means some teams sitting on averages of around 18k, others sitting on 9k, and everything in between, but we want to be able to sustain it for a long period.  What we have currently is too many teams sitting around 7k to 9k.

What is wrong with 7k-9k. if the club is self-sustainable, its fine.
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thekingmb - 22 Jan 2020 12:09 PM
bettega - 22 Jan 2020 10:06 AM

What is wrong with 7k-9k. if the club is self-sustainable, its fine.

It's ok for a few clubs to be in that range, but not more than half.
Say, when we get up to 14 teams, there is zero problem with 3 or 4 clubs in that range, but you'd prefer the rest to be over 10k, and you'd want 3 or 4 to be consistently above 16k, which is achievable.

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Waz - 22 Jan 2020 9:17 AM
southmelb - 21 Jan 2020 11:28 PM

I actually don’t care if they are valid excuses - but the same excuses don’t explain why crowds also fell last year and the year before. So they are just “excuses” to my eye. 

BBL crowds are in free fall and tv viewing is following suit. 

As a Cricket fan I’m pleased - people are seeing through it but it’s no surprise (unfortunately) that the next “short form” of the game is being developed ready to usurp BBL when necessary, as BBL did to One Day matches, and as One Day matches did to Test/4-Day Cricket 

As a football fan I’m pleased too. 

Gallop/Lowy went to war with football fans thinking they could rid football of the passion and replace it with family friendly bucket heads. Well it turns out MR and MRS Bucket Head are fickle and you can’t build a sport around them. Hopefully everyone in football notices. 

Secondly, Fox/FTA overpaid for the cricket and it brings football in to a bit of perspective. That’s got to be a good thing. 

It’s the same for the year before and the year before that, when the bbl was at its crowd and ratings peak all matches were played in prime time and in the major stadiums. Naturally games that start at 2pm on a work day are going to be less popular at the gate and in lounge rooms.
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southmelb - 22 Jan 2020 3:54 PM
Waz - 22 Jan 2020 9:17 AM

It’s the same for the year before and the year before that, when the bbl was at its crowd and ratings peak all matches were played in prime time and in the major stadiums. Naturally games that start at 2pm on a work day are going to be less popular at the gate and in lounge rooms.

That doesn’t explain the fall off in tv viewing. 
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southmelb - 22 Jan 2020 3:54 PM
Waz - 22 Jan 2020 9:17 AM

It’s the same for the year before and the year before that, when the bbl was at its crowd and ratings peak all matches were played in prime time and in the major stadiums. Naturally games that start at 2pm on a work day are going to be less popular at the gate and in lounge rooms.

Even games played in primetime and weekends are down. The Sydney derby could only manage 15k on a school holiday weekend.


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Eldar - 22 Jan 2020 5:25 PM
southmelb - 22 Jan 2020 3:54 PM

Even games played in primetime and weekends are down. The Sydney derby could only manage 15k on a school holiday weekend.

FFS, a couple of you blokes are denial. Wasn't that Sydney derby the night that a massive storm approached Sydney and the game was farcical? I think the BBL crowds have held up very well considering the day matches they have had this year plus there are more matches than in other years so people don't have to pick one of 4 home matches. Waz's comment above about the crowd at the Gabba being 12,000 and announced at well in to the 20k's was garbage comment that should be called out, otherwise some nuffies will believe it.
Now, if you want inflated crowds look no closer than the Roar. I was at the last game (as a freeloader) - 9,000 plus, absolute BS. The place holds over 50k and they try and convince you it was 20% full. I was on the camera side, where everyone sits apparently. Very few people around me as well.
Don't concern yourselves with the BBL guys. The crowds and ratings are something that the AL would die for. The next TV deal will show how well the AL is travelling.
OK, away with your defensive responses, but try and stick to facts.
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Eldar - 22 Jan 2020 5:25 PM
southmelb - 22 Jan 2020 3:54 PM

Even games played in primetime and weekends are down. The Sydney derby could only manage 15k on a school holiday weekend.

The first derby at the scg got 35k

The 2nd one was a reduced match. Weather plays a crucial part in cricket as people are unlikely to turn up if a match is threatened to be rained out or reduced. Lost count of the amount of games this season that have either been no result or decided by the silly duckworth lewis system.



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southmelb - 22 Jan 2020 6:27 AM
robbos - 22 Jan 2020 6:13 AM

No bbl for you, doesnt change the fact its extremely popular and the fact that more people are watching live cricket than ever before shows its serving its purpose.

I think the crowds & TV viewing are dropping!!!!

Like I said I like cricket, I hear people in pubs, cafes & coffee machines in the offices talk about cricket, it's all about Smith, Cummings, Warner & of course Labuschagne performances in the Test arena, very rarely hear anyone discuss who's doing well in the BBL.

I like sport, though very little knowledge or care for AFL, but I know Richmond won the premiership & some guy called Dustin Martin (I think) is the man. I like cricket & follow test matches, but I have no idea who won the BBL premiership or who is the main players. I do not they like to wear KFC buckets for hats.




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robbos - 23 Jan 2020 7:41 AM
southmelb - 22 Jan 2020 6:27 AM

 I do not they like to wear KFC buckets for hats.




How dare you!! 
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Melbcityguy - 23 Jan 2020 9:25 AM
robbos - 23 Jan 2020 7:41 AM

How dare you!! 

Sorry, that was meant to read 'I do know they like to wear KFC buckets for hats.'

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