Doesn't change, a fast aggressive guy can succeed in Australia with stuff all discipline.

I agree. All he needs is a fast track.. which we have.. plenty of bounce..which we have.. and an aggressive nature.. which we have. Those three you mention certainly will not win any awards for accuracy but they can rip thru a batting lineup more ferociously than the disciplined bowler can do.

Doesn't change, a fast aggressive guy can succeed in Australia with stuff all discipline.

I agree. All he needs is a fast track.. which we have.. plenty of bounce..which we have.. and an aggressive nature.. which we have. Those three you mention certainly will not win any awards for accuracy but they can rip thru a batting lineup with ferocity over what the disciplined bowler can do.

I will be looking for that big floppy hat Bobbie. What color.

I have a pair of Havanese.. one male (Bubbles) one female (Bonnie) She is the baby. Pity I cant post their pics here.

We have a less than established batting line up too.

I'm worried the Kiwis are going to beat us.

Nawww they sound adorable. I have a rescue from Carnarvon - breed unknown. Possibly a staffy/kelpie/ridgeback.
It's a straw hat and I'll be wearing a bone coloured long sleeved shirt. However, I've just read that they'll be opening up the top-tiers in the shade to those whose seats are in the direct sun, so I might take them up on that offer! I'll also be hanging out in members for a while with a cricket mate, in a civilised airconditioned room somewhere...however no doubt I won't be able to resist sitting in my ringside seat for at least some of the day to get my $80 worth and perhaps even do some heckling...

I'll keep eye out for you then near the scoreboard. C'mon Bobbie you aint a heckler are you. Cant take you any place:P
Aicon room sounds ideal out of those sweltering temps. Enjoy yourself while we peasants are slumming it at home. 

People are free to disagree with me - and I enjoy rigorous debate. 

Flyslip is simply someone I would rather not converse with. 

He uses endless sophistry and fallacial reasoning that I cannot be bothered engaging with. 

If you want an example: I said discipline is not needed for those who are fast and aggressive (short pitch and yorkers etc), and gave 3 examples of fast Aussie bowlers who had no discipline. He then strawman's that to only pace is needed, and then points out that 3 fast bowlers failed in Aus. So what? Jo Angel failed in Aus too. It does not change that the 3 I named had no discipline, and have achieved results in Australia. Now if he wanted to say, the best in Australia in recent times, Lillee, McGrath, and Hadlee were ultra discplined and accurate, and had far better results than Mitch, Thommo and Starc, that would be fine and fair. But it doesn't change my original point. At all. He would be making a new point. Just like he could with McGrath, who finished quite slow, to which my counter would be his height. But again, this would be a new point. And a new exception. Everyone knows McGrath was a tall human metronome. He is an exception, not the rule, with his low pace, but he still had his height. Look at your selection history, S Clarke was dropped for no pace - couldn't be more accurate. Bollinger also dropped for going slow. Sidds since dropping in pace - gone. Even then - the more modern metronome Vernon Philander with his less height, has not done as well in Aus as he would like. Don't think S Pollock - despite his accuracy didn't do well in Australia at all averaging 34+. But these are all new points. Doesn't change, a fast aggressive guy can succeed in Australia with stuff all discipline.

 SA last 3 attacks, and India's had pace. Englands and NZ in 2015 did not - and got smashed all too often.

And tbh, I find Flyslips declaration arguments even worse. As for the bouncer argument for Burns and Smith's score, either he didnt watch the game - or just assumed Wagner had been doing in his original spells. Wagner didn't. He started doing it much much later in the innings. So again, this is sophistry. Did flyslip intend to do it? Or is he just ignorant? I don't know and I don't care.

I have better things to do than argue with people who repeatedly use sophistry either intentionally or non-intentionally. 

I'll happily debate with you, Dec, Mike, or most other people. Flyslip - I am putting a line through at this point.

I dont normally get this excited about a test series. There is just something special for me about my Blackcaps playing in England or Australia. 

In another sport I've played at a high level and have semi- pro/pro coaching accreditation. Sometimes that knowledge extrapolates to cricket, but essentially I am a just a cricket fan with no great insights into the sport.

Having said this, I love people with a much greater knowledge of  cricket providing technical analysis of  cricketers  and scenarios  where I have little knowledge.

I don't know whether you or Flyslip have more knowledge than the other , but you both waste energy trying to claim you are right. It is the internet. State your opinions, particularly the technical analyses of players, then move on, is the best policy.  

In another sport I know I sometimes get frustrated with people who are very opinionated, but  when it gets down to it,  are clueless. This is particularly  frustrating when many share the same view lacking insight, which is blatantly obvious to professionally trained coaches in that sport. At the same time they have every right to publicly demonstrate  they are clueless.

You may not realise it, Paddles, but we have two pretty high level former and current cricketers, who post sporadically on IS. They are quite diffident about sharing that knowledge unless asked to expound.

I look forward to more 'civil' discussions between you and Flyslip. Over the course of your polemics, I've gained new knowledge. I'm sure others have too. Long may they continue with less acrimony.

Paddles I think DC is perhaps giving you a subtle nudge about forum behavior thru his capacity as a senior member (moderator) of this forum.

Is what I am hearing true..that Boult has been ruled unfit?

DC isn't a moderator here as I understand it.  And his nudge will be entirely and politely ignored. I don't want to talk Flyslip ever. Its really that simple for me.

Boult could be out, he is 50/50.

What's the countdown to the start? I wanna make sure I see the first ball bowled.

4pm WA time. You will have to work out Kiwi time from that.

Don't you mean 4pm NSW time?

Boult is officially ruled out.

Huge loss. Who is in his place.. Ferguson?

Good line and length from Southee. 

He is putting Burns under pressure. 

Wagner pitching the ball up and swinging it into the right hander. 

De Groundhomme is already bowling too. 

Burns keeps getting stuck on the crease. Move your feet, mate!

Burns out LBW to de Grandhomme - could see that coming a mile off