Aus V NZ First Test


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baggygreenmania - 13 Dec 2019 10:42 PM
One more before stumps.. Williamson preferably.

Done! 
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Shame Williamson is out. 

Such a classy player to watch. 
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NZ in huge trouble here.

Without their best bowler before the match. Lost the toss. Lost their fastest bowler.

Now 3 wickets down and over 330 runs behind.

NZ need a massive partnership somewhere in the next 4 wickets...

NZ dont need parity, NZ need 500...


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Aus have a tough time to come in the field tomorrow with only three bowlers, daylight cricket and the pink ball. 
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Paddles - 13 Dec 2019 10:53 PM
NZ in huge trouble here.

Without their best bowler before the match. Lost the toss. Lost their fastest bowler.

Now 3 wickets down and over 330 runs behind.

NZ need a massive partnership somewhere in the next 4 wickets...

NZ dont need parity, NZ need 500...


What about Aus down to three bowlers, 40 degrees, pink ball in daylight tomorrow? 
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Good knock from Taylor - 50 from 70 balls under extreme pressure. 

Fine cricketer! 
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Taylor has a batting average of 48. 

Impressive! 
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Soft dismissal for Nicholls. 

He was out from a fine edged leg glance, caught Paine bowled Starc. 

Kiwis 4-97. 
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Wagner golden duck, yorked Starc. 

Kiwis 5-97. 
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Decentric - 13 Dec 2019 10:58 PM
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What about Aus down to three bowlers, 40 degrees, pink ball in daylight tomorrow? 

doesnt really matter. unless aus enforce a follow on. but they wont. 

toss was crucial. NZ in huge trouble here. 

Im already looking to the India series tbh...

Hopefully Boult will be fit for that.

Time for NZ to rebuild and wait for the return Aus series in NZ in 2027 or something...

Aus has won this series already. Its over. Too many injuries for NZ and coin toss loss. We're stuffed.

We will lose here. And lose the next two as well. It's over. Even if we salvaged a draw here. We needed to win the pinkie. But we can't without Boult and a coin toss loss. We're not good enough too. Our attack is too weak. And our batsmen bar Taylor and KW are out-pysched in Aus after fielding in that sauna.

I just hope NZC never play in Aus again over xmas when they should be at home. Play Aus in Aus in November or not all. Like SA. Stuff playing there over xmas. No money or games for us here, and too hot. Just wayyy to hot. If Aus won't tour here over xmas, i do not understand, and have posted repeatedly for years, why on earth would we tour there? We don't owe CA anything. We need to be more brave like SAC. And just say "no".


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so both teams 1 bowler short? A draw is possible then unless lyon and labu can take a lot of workload of starc/cummins!
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grazorblade - 14 Dec 2019 7:11 AM
so both teams 1 bowler short? A draw is possible then unless lyon and labu can take a lot of workload of starc/cummins!

The big difference is that NZ have dropped from 5 - 4 bowlers, whilst Australia has decreased from 4 - 3.

Australia has a lot of hard work to come. They have  to bowl in 40 degree heat during today with the pink ball with only three specialist bowlers.
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Paddles - 14 Dec 2019 2:21 AM
Decentric - 13 Dec 2019 10:58 PM

doesnt really matter. unless aus enforce a follow on. but they wont. 

toss was crucial. NZ in huge trouble here. 

Im already looking to the India series tbh...

Hopefully Boult will be fit for that.

Time for NZ to rebuild and wait for the return Aus series in NZ in 2027 or something...

Aus has won this series already. Its over. Too many injuries for NZ and coin toss loss. We're stuffed.

We will lose here. And lose the next two as well. It's over. Even if we salvaged a draw here. We needed to win the pinkie. But we can't without Boult and a coin toss loss. We're not good enough too. Our attack is too weak. And our batsmen bar Taylor and KW are out-pysched in Aus after fielding in that sauna.

I just hope NZC never play in Aus again over xmas when they should be at home. Play Aus in Aus in November or not all. Like SA. Stuff playing there over xmas. No money or games for us here, and too hot. Just wayyy to hot. If Aus won't tour here over xmas, i do not understand, and have posted repeatedly for years, why on earth would we tour there? We don't owe CA anything. We need to be more brave like SAC. And just say "no".


Pretty defeatist attitude, Paddles.
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Paddles - 14 Dec 2019 2:21 AM
Decentric - 13 Dec 2019 10:58 PM

doesnt really matter. unless aus enforce a follow on. but they wont. 

toss was crucial. NZ in huge trouble here. 

Im already looking to the India series tbh...

Hopefully Boult will be fit for that.

Time for NZ to rebuild and wait for the return Aus series in NZ in 2027 or something...

Aus has won this series already. Its over. Too many injuries for NZ and coin toss loss. We're stuffed.

We will lose here. And lose the next two as well. It's over. Even if we salvaged a draw here. We needed to win the pinkie. But we can't without Boult and a coin toss loss. We're not good enough too. Our attack is too weak. And our batsmen bar Taylor and KW are out-pysched in Aus after fielding in that sauna.

I just hope NZC never play in Aus again over xmas when they should be at home. Play Aus in Aus in November or not all. Like SA. Stuff playing there over xmas. No money or games for us here, and too hot. Just wayyy to hot. If Aus won't tour here over xmas, i do not understand, and have posted repeatedly for years, why on earth would we tour there? We don't owe CA anything. We need to be more brave like SAC. And just say "no".


Gday Paddles,
jj - don't know why you all carry on about the weather - beautiful.
My day yesterday - went shopping in the morning, 40d but don't bother using the air con driving as not hot enough.
3 pm my little dog Scruf, who has been mentioned before & has a better cricket brain than our selectors or Paine
tells me it is time to join him outside & watch the cricket together.
A beautiful balmy mid 30's in the shade, set up outside with a TV,  a cold one, lounge back & watch the cricket.
5.30 pm temps dropped to high 20's & time to put the whole mussels on the BBQ soaked in garlic, chilli, herbs, olive oil & red wine.
Knock them off & then barramundi wrapped in alfoil with herbs,butter & white wine served with potato & green salad.
All washed down with a cold one or 2.
Finally Paine's painful batting ends & NZ put in - temps down to a wonderful mid 20's & watch NZ being put to the sword.
Will phone the NZ tribe tomorrow & have some fun.
Now Paddles, how could you not have a better day watching cricket than that - 
unless of course you are a kiwi.

 



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Could be lots of work for Lyon and Labuschagne today, by the looks of it (or Wade lol).

The quicks will come out blazing (the two we have left), Kiwis certainly don't want to lose an early wicket or two here, before the conditions slow them down and the ball softens. If they cling on anything could happen. Our biggest hope in that situation would be that conditions start helping spin.

Found an interesting stat re our "flat pitches". In the last 20 yrs...32% of test matches in NZ have been draws. In Aus over the same period less than 16% of matches have been draws. So statistically drawn matches are twice as likely in Kiwiland.

Historically it's much worse. Of all matches in Aus (since1877) a little under 19% have been draws. For the Kiwis (since1930) 41% of matches in NZ have been draws, though rain affected matches are probably more common there. Surely not to that extent though.

So much for our "flat tracks"?
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baggygreenmania - 13 Dec 2019 5:31 PM
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No chance of seeing you in your wide floppy Bobbie as the cameras never showed the scoreboard.. sorry once that I recall. How was your day.

Labuchagne keeps going on his merry way. 100 Test runs.. fourth fastest too. he has taken over from Smith as our team anchor. 

Marnus misses one on his legs and is bowled by Wagner. Head keeps wafting at everything. Someone tell him he is playing Test cricket not T20. Good chance for Timmy to get a decent score.

My day was good thanks, Baggers. Haha wouldn't have seen the hat anyways as I took it off when I snaggled a different seat in the shade. Had a very enjoyable 2nd and 3rd session chatting the chat with a cricket mate and sitting directly outside the NZ dug out. Boult seemed to be doing more running around to and from the field than he would have if he was playing! It would have been good to be there last night to see Starc in action. I'm not sure my kids will be enthralled with today's play, I'm still deciding if we will go for the whole day. It's not like the WACA where they can run around on the hill.
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Decentric - 13 Dec 2019 9:10 PM
Hazlewood bowls Raval leg stump with a right arm Outswinging delivery, swinging in to the  left handed batter. 

The ball of the match for mine. Next over he breaks down. 
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flyslip - 14 Dec 2019 11:36 AM
Could be lots of work for Lyon and Labuschagne today, by the looks of it (or Wade lol).

The quicks will come out blazing (the two we have left), Kiwis certainly don't want to lose an early wicket or two here, before the conditions slow them down and the ball softens. If they cling on anything could happen. Our biggest hope in that situation would be that conditions start helping spin.

Found an interesting stat re our "flat pitches". In the last 20 yrs...32% of test matches in NZ have been draws. In Aus over the same period less than 16% of matches have been draws. So statistically drawn matches are twice as likely in Kiwiland.

Historically it's much worse. Of all matches in Aus (since1877) a little under 19% have been draws. For the Kiwis (since1930) 41% of matches in NZ have been draws, though rain affected matches are probably more common there. Surely not to that extent though.

So much for our "flat tracks"?

That is interesting flyslip. Always figured Kiwi decks were good for bowling. Must pass that onto Paddles.

Will the real Cummins turn up please. We need you mate. He was robbed of one yesterday when we did not review. As per usual the crap umps missed it.
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ThingyBob - 14 Dec 2019 12:55 PM
baggygreenmania - 13 Dec 2019 5:31 PM

My day was good thanks, Baggers. Haha wouldn't have seen the hat anyways as I took it off when I snaggled a different seat in the shade. Had a very enjoyable 2nd and 3rd session chatting the chat with a cricket mate and sitting directly outside the NZ dug out. Boult seemed to be doing more running around to and from the field than he would have if he was playing! It would have been good to be there last night to see Starc in action. I'm not sure my kids will be enthralled with today's play, I'm still deciding if we will go for the whole day. It's not like the WACA where they can run around on the hill.

Yes it is a classy stadium but lacks that simple atmosphere of the WACA and as you say somewhere for your kids to run around. Hope hazlewood will also be doing more running around soon. We dont wanna lose him for the series.
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baggygreenmania - 14 Dec 2019 1:23 PM
flyslip - 14 Dec 2019 11:36 AM

That is interesting flyslip. Always figured Kiwi decks were good for bowling. Must pass that onto Paddles.

Will the real Cummins turn up please. We need you mate. He was robbed of one yesterday when we did not review. As per usual the crap umps missed it.
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Nah - NZ pitches have been predominately roads since 2013.  Its deliberate. Dunedin sometimes has some life to it. Indian fans still complain about a series 20 years ago where the NZ pitches were deliberately very nasty and spicey and Ganguly, Laxman, Dravid and Tendy et al got blown away. So we can build whatever we want for whomever we want. 

This is the modern NZ road:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10682/scorecard/1019985/new-zealand-vs-bangladesh-1st-test-bangladesh-tour-of-new-zealand-2016-17
 
Here the final day is but lost to rain, but again, you can see the road nature after a lively first session:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18812/scorecard/1153838/new-zealand-vs-sri-lanka-1st-test-sri-lanka-in-nz-2018-19

Seriously. The Basin is the worst offender. And our premier ground. England loathed the Mount, and have complained endlessly about Hamilton.

Our pitches are very flat with a thick grass cover that does not grip. Plus we use the Kookie - so all too often if there is no swing either. 

NZ and Aus have the highest batting average for wickets in the past decade. SA and England has been making the most shoot out pitches. SA gave India a horrid set of 3 pitches last year. The Dukes for India in England was curving around corners... Both teams dropped openers, Cook retired. He just gave up.

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in England392014-2019414376233.01359198697308/1511/10227.213.1851.2273investigate this query
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in Australia382014-2019312995079.31052155815237/15212/28629.793.0658.2173investigate this query
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South Africa and England is where a seamer wants to be. Also WI for the last two years, since they went new Dukes and relayed their pitches for tests. NZ and Aus are where a batsman wants to be. India - well they always want to be in India. They're just destroying everyone there.



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Paddles - 14 Dec 2019 3:12 PM

Bahahahaha!
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well the way this pitch is deteriorating head and labu will be like front line bowlers in the 4th innings
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jaszyjim - 14 Dec 2019 9:05 AM
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Gday Paddles,
jj - don't know why you all carry on about the weather - beautiful.
My day yesterday - went shopping in the morning, 40d but don't bother using the air con driving as not hot enough.
3 pm my little dog Scruf, who has been mentioned before & has a better cricket brain than our selectors or Paine
tells me it is time to join him outside & watch the cricket together.
A beautiful balmy mid 30's in the shade, set up outside with a TV,  a cold one, lounge back & watch the cricket.
5.30 pm temps dropped to high 20's & time to put the whole mussels on the BBQ soaked in garlic, chilli, herbs, olive oil & red wine.
Knock them off & then barramundi wrapped in alfoil with herbs,butter & white wine served with potato & green salad.
All washed down with a cold one or 2.
Finally Paine's painful batting ends & NZ put in - temps down to a wonderful mid 20's & watch NZ being put to the sword.
Will phone the NZ tribe tomorrow & have some fun.
Now Paddles, how could you not have a better day watching cricket than that - 
unless of course you are a kiwi.

 



Do you live in Perth, JJ? 

If you do, do you watch the cricket live? 
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flyslip - 14 Dec 2019 11:36 AM
Could be lots of work for Lyon and Labuschagne today, by the looks of it (or Wade lol).

The quicks will come out blazing (the two we have left), Kiwis certainly don't want to lose an early wicket or two here, before the conditions slow them down and the ball softens. If they cling on anything could happen. Our biggest hope in that situation would be that conditions start helping spin.

Found an interesting stat re our "flat pitches". In the last 20 yrs...32% of test matches in NZ have been draws. In Aus over the same period less than 16% of matches have been draws. So statistically drawn matches are twice as likely in Kiwiland.

Historically it's much worse. Of all matches in Aus (since1877) a little under 19% have been draws. For the Kiwis (since1930) 41% of matches in NZ have been draws, though rain affected matches are probably more common there. Surely not to that extent though.

So much for our "flat tracks"?

Interesting data comparing Kiwi and Aus pitches. 
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I’m surprised how much Wagner gets out of the pitch from 132kph bouncers. 

Three effective bouncers in succession to Warner. 
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JJ, you complained about Paine’s slow strike rate. 

Apart from Starc swinging, I think most batters had slow SRs who scored 30 or more runs. 
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Australia is 0-39 and nearly 300 in front, 

I’m not sure when they will declare with only 3 fit bowlers? 
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Souther’s second quicker bouncer at 129kph got onto Warner too quickly. So he played a pull where it hit the top of the bat for a dolly catch. 
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Brew - 14 Dec 2019 7:53 PM
Australia is 0-39 and nearly 300 in front, 

I’m not sure when they will declare with only 3 fit bowlers? 

Reckon they'll be looking at nothing less than 450. Warner hitting just 19 from 63 tells me Paine is in no hurry to declare tonite. 
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