Others have suggested that the Australian attack is much faster than the Kiwi attack. The speed gun shows they are correct.  

Also, on a flatter pitch 125kph Kiwi short balls are run fodder.

I do.

Agree with all this, Baggers.

They can't be looking at the extra batting qualities of Starc, Cymmins and Pattinson then to compensate. There is also an increased chance of getting another team out for a lower score with a five pronged attack than a four pronged one. Less runs might be required when batting.

What happened to your mate, Mike? 

Merry Christmas to you, Baggers.

You might be my favourite poster on this forum, mate!

Good points DC. I posted something similar on WP and was shot down in flames . "Paine at #6 no way" most said. There sure are some Paine haters there. Two or maybe three only posters are for him.. me included.  Prefer Tim at #6 over Head. A four pronged pace attack sounds good. Not sure the Black caps wud welcome that too much. CA is only going to allow this if the deck is batting friendly and five batsmen will do the trick. I agree all the tail can bat.. even Lyon is no mug.

You pretty much said what I was going to fs. So will leave it there.
Just one thing Paddles. Wagner has a good short ball tactic.. works ok on the bouncier decks.. but his pace is going to be negated somewhat on the slower,lower MCG deck. Our blokes.. all of them.. can test the speed gun at 145+.. unlike your pop gun attack. So think twice about starting a bouncer war it may get brutal and the Black Caps will come our more bruised than we will.

You too have a Happy Christmas.
 

You don't rate Wagner? Or you don't rate the Indian and Safrican attacks as better than everyone else's? You rate the Kookaburra ball for bowlers? You don't think Neil should go straight to the short stuff after Boult and Southee do the new ball? Really?

Safrican attack is set to have a huge blow, Philander is about to retire after the England series. I think Neil would make their team after he retires too.

Keep wondering about me and my mind. ;)

Merry Xmas to all!

These days I don't have much times for sports forums, bu ti had a quick look at Whirlpool's cricket forum yesterday. 

Some of the comments frorn those guys are as though they are in cuckoo land!

 The majority  just don't understand how a sports team operates. There are also a lot of cynical types. I though the FTBL Forum had deteriorated with more cynics and negative posters in recent times, but maybe it is the current nature of sporting forums?

There is even a separate thread for "Pet hates At Gyms.' There is also a Weighlifting Thread, which  isn't too bad. It amazes  how many don't want to talk to other people at gyms, but go online to complain about it!

On Whirlpool Cricket Forum apart from one poster who posts regularly  here and one other, they all think Paine should not be Test captain and dropped from the team! From a greater insight into another sport, many of the guys on Whirlpool have no idea about team cohesion,  emotional maturity in leadership, specific game plan tactics, morale and collaborative leadership. Notwithstanding, some  pundits (former Test cricketers) are currently mooting  Paine as top keeper in world cricket!

They also seem to have no idea a captain is carrying out coaching match plans, based on analysts  scrutinising every available bits of data on where some teams, and individuals, are strong or weak.

Moreover, Australia has essentially just won three series in a row -  and are well placed to win a fourth   against the Kiwis, with Paine as captain. 

It is like sheep following sheep. I have seen this phenomenon in other sports.

A few who are  wrong convince many others, so that a large group of fans with little insight in a sport, believe a professional  coach is wrong in decisions they've made. This is  because  a majority of fans with no knowledge whatsoever about professional coaching in that particular sport, share the same view. 


Of course I would not question the judgement of  a professional coach like Langer, but I'd like him to provide more info as to why the Marsh bothers have had so many chances, and, why Siddle is constantly mooted as a Test bowler with the Kookaburra in Aus?

I think Baggers would agree, but when Victoria played Tas in Hobart in a recent Shield game, Siddle was outperformed by teammates Tremain and probably Boland, with Patto not selected. Also, Bird, Pyecroft and Meredith outbowled him from Tas. 

There has been all talk in the media about Pattinson's return, but I'm interested to see if Australia will use Neser at number 7?

It will certainly reduce the pace bowlers' bowling load, particularly if the pitch is flat.


I posit that even though Paine and Neser are arguably weak players for 6 and 7 based on current form, Patto, Starc and Cummins are much stronger than almost any other batting line up at 8, 9 and 10.

I thought Raval should have been used more as a bowler in the second innings.

It might have been coincidental, but I thought  both Santner and Raval  beat the outside edge of right hand batters a bit.

I'm not sure if you are trolling or not, Paddles?

I sometimes think there are two Paddles who post here. One with a clear mind and the other under the effect of a substance or liquid.

If NZ learnt one thing from Perth, I hope Wagner's first spell, and Southee's second spell,  is short, and not 2 length first spells this time. ;)

Just hit them with the short sutff as soon as that death of cricket kookaburra is dead. 10 overs I guess not under lights - being generous.\

But Wagner - what a bowler. What team in the world wouldn't he make? :) Bar the world class attacks of India and Safrica of course.

The mediocre attacks of Aus, NZ, Pak, SL, Bang, I dont see who is heeping out :) Wi with ROach, Holder and Grabriel is hard to gauge, but 4th seamer, for sure.... :)

Should have read "none of them were simply filling in time for declaration either, they needed runs (1st innings) and were batting to save the match (2nd inings). Yet only one score equal to or greater than 43. That might say something about the way to bowl successfully on such a pitch.

ps. Merry Christmas to you too Paddles.

This is a myth. That rule was brought in after the MCG received its "poor" rating. So they have a clean slate at the moment. A "poor" rating now would only give them 3 points (5 points needed to be suspended for 12 months). 

If it is a slow and lacklustre "nothing" wicket as previously it will probably help the kiwi batsmen more than ours.  Our batsmen (and our bowlers) prefer pacey, bouncy wickets.

And how will Australia combat the short balls of Wagner and co. 

   

A 300 run loss seems to indicate this is way overblown as usual. Never really troubled Smith, he just hit them straight off the middle of the bat to the field. Far faster and better bowlers have tried. I might work one day, probably has to if you try it enough, but the odds are against the bowler here.

Snagged a few in the second innings when the match was already lost and Aus were only batting to time their declaration. Standard MO for Wagner. Southee was far better all match (including his short ball).

It's a bit humorous the kiwis claiming Smith's 43 was a failure, when they lost a whole 19 of their 20 wickets for lesser score lol. None of them were simply filling in time either, they really needed runs.

If Aus hadn't been a bowler short they probably would have declared after tea on day 3 anyway.

  
For team selection, NZ is in a mess, and will drop Raval and bring in wicket keeper Blundell to open.

    
Can't help thinking that Raval scored as many runs as Santner, yet at least took a wicket, was more economical and bowled far better. They might have been better moving Raval down the order in place of him. Unless he (Santner)  was really unusually off his game and is much better than that performance. Will wait and see how he goes.

 

Well - its onto Melbourne where a  huge crowd is expected with 16k Kiwis flying over, and many expats from within Australia heading to the MCG. 

2 talking points through all the media i have read, how will the MCG pitch play? Because if it is a total road, and gets a negative rating, no MCG test next year, it will be on icc susspension. And how will Australia combat the short balls of Wagner and co. I brought up the Wagner short balls before the last test, and was ridiculed that I was wrong to even suggest they could be an issue, and that they would not trouble Smith and Co at all, just the tail enders. Not quite how the media have read that situation since with all 6 Aussie batsmen getting out to shortballs, including supremo Steve Smith twice to Wagner - (he now has him 3/4 innings with a short ball). I did read Graham Hick having a whine and moan about short pitch bowling as being negative. Yes negative. Hopefully that leaves about as much impression on the umpires as it deserves. Lol at negative bowling. I am really interested how Smith adjusts, here. I back him to try and put the shot away. But Wagner will keep bowling them even if Southee ceases.

For team selection, NZ is in a mess, and will drop Raval and bring in wicket keeper Blundell to open. This brings NZ's wicket keepers in the side upto 4 with Latham and Nicholls. Will Young is still injured, and Blundell has a contract, so NZ won't be bringing over some young whipper snapper with talent like Glenn Phillips, but instead send a lower middle order wicket keeper out to open, in a Boxing Day test. Interesting decision. Boult will be back, at least. 

There is no word on the NZ 4th bowler scenario, with local rags bracketing Santner with Astle. I would prefer Astle to Santner. But I think I would simply rather debuting Jamieson and going all seam. Like I would have the last test, too and said as much before on it on my preferred forum. For Aus selection, Patto is the favourite to replace Hazelwood, but Siddle is begging for a go. I am thinking they will go with Patto. I think we all see that as an obvious selection if fit. 


Anyway, have a merry xmas all. And see you all here Boxing Day :)