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UK national health service just released report that lockdown caused the death of 3000 diabetics. Still at least we didn't kill granny to quote the UK govt message at the time
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Hospital admission for heart attacks fell 28 per cent during pandemic
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+xHospital admission for heart attacks fell 28 per cent during pandemic That's because of the selfish morons who didnt get vaxxed clogged the joint when they got sick
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Aww man I'm glad I wasn't on here to deal with this shit show. Oh boy.
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+x+xHospital admission for heart attacks fell 28 per cent during pandemic That's because of the selfish morons who didnt get vaxxed clogged the joint when they got sick Sorry TSF, I have reported this post to Joyful Penguin. You have no evidence that all unvaxed were selfish or morons so this obviously breaches the guidelines established by the new sheriff.
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+x+x+xHospital admission for heart attacks fell 28 per cent during pandemic That's because of the selfish morons who didnt get vaxxed clogged the joint when they got sick Sorry TSF, I have reported this post to Joyful Penguin. You have no evidence that all unvaxed were selfish or morons so this obviously breaches the guidelines established by the new sheriff. I strike to dismiss - you may have misread my post. I said 'the selfish morons who didn't get vaxxed'. I could be talking about an incredibly small group of morons, and not referencing everyone who did not get vaxxed. My post does not specifically target all the unvaccinated. I also will assess my own costs and submit a request to be reimbursed from the parties involved.
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OK so while there's still a bit of life in this thread:
It has been 696 consecutive days that it has been a criminal offence to use public transport in Victoria without a mask
Tas and NT have dumped their laws
SA a bit ambiguous as they have laws around passenger transport services (not sure if this includes public transport) despite no state of emergency, and promise of no broader mask mandates. But that was unavoidable when they first thing they did was establish a 6 month restrictions committee
QLD announced that mask mandates will end when their emergency declaration ends tipped to be a few weeks or a couple of months (including hospital and aged care). In other words Public Transport, aged care and hospitals carry the same risk and require the same approach which reinforces my point
No word on WA but they extended their declaration to first week of January
Despite airplanes being safe there are still federal laws in place which will go when all states / territories agree (which we know NSW and Vic never will). Why? Where is the threat? Where is the data supporting this law?
So yeah - definitely no self interest by health officials when it came to masks. Absolutely not. They were implemented to keep hospital numbers under control and no restrictions were going to be in place for a day longer than they needed to
There is a reason why Australia has recorded the 16th total highest number of cases despite being shut for 1 1/2 years. Restrictions were part of a balance that our heavy handed self interested approach was never able to produce. I said at the start its possible to turn a screw so tightly it breaks the foundation that is supposed to support it
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That these people are moronic is obvious, but hows the utter evil selfishness doing this: https://twitter.com/Kon__K/status/1558417196736708610Look at the state of them. Life's absolute losers.
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Not as bad as health officials who spent the whole winter sensationalising the data just so we can spend our whole lives living behind face masks. Once again doing nothing was just as effective. They are already starting on the next wave predicted around Christmas, and they continue to seek extraordinary powers just to make it a crime to go on a bus without wearing a face mask. Even in states without a state of emergency declaration
There are only 4 countries with over 1 million active cases, 3 of them (Japan, South Korea and Vietnam) have a face mask culture. Dont forget also the virus originated in China. Australia is also going to break 10 million cases soon. If there was any evidence face masks in some situations can curb the numbers it would have been in the long term data sets. Hasnt stopped idiots from trying to argue face masks are responsible for low death rates
Australia is in a situation where our high vaxx numbers mean the regular waves will be manageable without any mandates. The end game we were working towards. The only thing left is to look after hospitals and aged care. Yet self-centered epidemiologists continue to target public transport, schools and supermarkets.
The fact is you can walk away from anti-vaxx idiots. You can't walk away from people in power that sensationalise a pandemic for their own gain
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So Covid isolation periods have been reduced to 5 days effectively rendering them obsolete - but its still illegal for anybody over the age of 8 anywhere in the state of Victoria to use public transport in any way, shape or form without wearing a mask otherwise they get fined
760 days and counting
I'm going to stop driving this point home but the bottom line is I was right. Mask laws were never introduced as a point in time measure simply to curb the spread. There was no benchmark for introducing them and no benchmark for removing them. You guys just couldn't see the bigger picture
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+xSo Covid isolation periods have been reduced to 5 days effectively rendering them obsolete - but its still illegal for anybody over the age of 8 anywhere in the state of Victoria to use public transport in any way, shape or form without wearing a mask otherwise they get fined 760 days and counting I'm going to stop driving this point home but the bottom line is I was right. Mask laws were never introduced as a point in time measure simply to curb the spread. There was no benchmark for introducing them and no benchmark for removing them. You guys just couldn't see the bigger picture If that's what helps you sleep at night keep telling yourself that.
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After getting back from Europe 1 thing stands out (was in Spain)
Masks are nowhere in public, but everyone - and I mean everyone uses them on transport (Buses etc - they are super strict, literally will not let you on) and flights internally. And tbh nobody gives a crap because it's basic hygiene, and really - who the hell cares?
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+x+x+xFurther in the article. The Moderna report to the FDA on Dec. 17, 2020, confirmed “there were no deaths due to COVID-19 at the time of the interim analysis to enable an assessment of vaccine efficacy against death due to COVID-19.” Moderna followed about 30,000 people. When asked by the British Medical Journal, why the trial had not been designed to assess if the vaccine could prevent hospitalization and death, Moderna answered: “You would need a trial that is either 5 or 10 times larger or you’d need a trial that is 5-10 times longer to collect those events.” In the Pfizer study of 38,000 people, not a single person in the placebo or the vaccine group died of COVID. By publication date, only one person had died of COVID in the Moderna study. To state it clearly: One person out of about 70,000 in the combined studies of Pfizer and Moderna actually died of COVID. In the real world, at the time, about 60 per cent of COVID deaths were in people over 75 years of age. But only 4.4 per cent of that age group were in the Pfizer study. The sample chosen was not appropriate to answer the public’s most pressing question: Could the vaccines save lives? Cracking article, below was really interesting in light of vaccine mandates being pushed here: The second finding was more dramatic:, “We also observed negative VE against Omicron among those who had received 2 doses compared to unvaccinated individuals.” Translation: Negative VE means that the vaccinated got more infections than the unvaccinated. That “negative finding” they noted, had already been observed elsewhere. “In the Danish study, there was no significant protection against Omicron infection beyond 31 days” after the second dose of the Pfizer. The Danes also found significant negative VE estimates 91-150 days after the second dose.” The Danish study showed those vaccinated with the Pfizer had a 76.5 per cent greater chance of getting infected than unvaccinated people. With the Moderna, the vaccinated had a 36.7 per cent greater chance of getting infected than the unvaccinated after 90 days. There is no justification for vaccine mandates. No justification for vaccine passports. No justification for people to be scared of the unvaccinated. Totally irrational fears that parts of the population has fallen for. https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2022/10/11/covid-transmission-221011/As mentioned. No justification for mandates at all. Majority of western populations have had the wool pulled over their eyes. Amazing. People taking the moral high ground and getting quadrupled baddest to save others??? A total sham. What else haven't they explained clearly??
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+xExcellent article for the critical thinkers out there. (Not tsf or cesspool) In December, 2020, the new mRNA vaccines were rolled out, and were, according to the randomized clinical trials, 95 per cent (Pfizer) and 94.5 per cent (Moderna) efficacious in stopping infection. Physician-scientist Eric Topol, head of Scripps Labs, said these vaccines “will go down in history as one of science and medical research’s greatest achievements.”But by the time summer 2021 arrived, real world experience contradicted Mr. Bourla’s and Dr. Sahin’s claims of potency at six months, no transmission by the vaccinated, and imminent herd immunity. Pfizer’s Mr. Bourla, in his February interview, had called Israel “the world’s lab,” because it was vaccinated with the Pfizer extensively and several months ahead of other countries, giving the world a glimpse of its future. But when Israeli public health released its six-month data, they showed that vaccine effectiveness had dropped to 39 per cent, and Delta was surging. (The FDA had originally said it would not approve a vaccine less than 50-per-cent effective.) A Mayo clinic study showed that after six months, protection granted by the two Pfizer doses dropped from the original 95 per cent to 42 per cent. Another Israeli study showed it had dropped to 16 per cent. That huge discrepancy couldn’t be attributed just to the new variant, Delta, because protection was already fading at five months for the earlier variants too.
So why such a discrepancy? The original studies were clinical trials. The Pfizer study followed about 38,000 people without COVID who were divided in two groups – half got the vaccine, and half a placebo. The investigators asked the question: could the vaccines prevent symptomatic cases of COVID-19? But, as Peter Doshi, senior editor at the British Medical Journal, warned, “None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths.” He explained that, “Because most people with symptomatic COVID-19 experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30,000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.” Susanne Hodgson of the University of Oxford agreed: “The current [randomized control trials] that are ongoing are … not powered to assess efficacy against hospital admission and death.” Article is Well ahead of its time. " The other justification for mandates had been that the vaccinated don’t transmit the virus.Most of us had presumed, when we got our first doses, that we couldn’t pass the virus on to others. Public statements repeatedly praised people for “doing your part to stop the spread.” But in August, CDC director Rochelle Walensky told CNN, when asked why the vaccinated must wear masks, “Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta; with regard to severe illness and death, they prevent it. But what they can’t do any more is prevent transmission.” In fact, the original randomized clinical trials for Pfizer and Moderna did not test if the vaccines stop transmission. Now our best hope was that the vaccinated might transmit less than the unvaccinated. Several studies could be interpreted as showing this. But others found the vaccinated likely had equal transmission. One study, conducted in a prison, concluded that the vaccinated prisoners had as much “transmission potential” as the unvaccinated prisoners, adding, “clinicians and public health practitioners should consider vaccinated persons who become infected with SARS-CoV-2 to be no less infectious than unvaccinated persons.” Dr. Cyrille Cohen, head of the immunotherapy lab at Bar-Ilan University, and adviser to the Israeli government on vaccine trials, said that with respect to transmission with Omicron, “we don’t see virtually any difference … between people vaccinated and nonvaccinated,” adding “both get infected with the virus, more or less at the same pace. The rancour that we, the vaccinated, are increasingly directing against the unvaccinated, fuels itself by remaining wilfully oblivious of this later painful truth: we too spread, to ourselves, and to the unvaccinated, as they to us and each other.”
If only more people just opened their eyes and asked questions.
Amazing how society can be duped.
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"It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.”
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Just randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous.
That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times.
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+x+x+x+xFurther in the article. The Moderna report to the FDA on Dec. 17, 2020, confirmed “there were no deaths due to COVID-19 at the time of the interim analysis to enable an assessment of vaccine efficacy against death due to COVID-19.” Moderna followed about 30,000 people. When asked by the British Medical Journal, why the trial had not been designed to assess if the vaccine could prevent hospitalization and death, Moderna answered: “You would need a trial that is either 5 or 10 times larger or you’d need a trial that is 5-10 times longer to collect those events.” In the Pfizer study of 38,000 people, not a single person in the placebo or the vaccine group died of COVID. By publication date, only one person had died of COVID in the Moderna study. To state it clearly: One person out of about 70,000 in the combined studies of Pfizer and Moderna actually died of COVID. In the real world, at the time, about 60 per cent of COVID deaths were in people over 75 years of age. But only 4.4 per cent of that age group were in the Pfizer study. The sample chosen was not appropriate to answer the public’s most pressing question: Could the vaccines save lives? Cracking article, below was really interesting in light of vaccine mandates being pushed here: The second finding was more dramatic:, “We also observed negative VE against Omicron among those who had received 2 doses compared to unvaccinated individuals.” Translation: Negative VE means that the vaccinated got more infections than the unvaccinated. That “negative finding” they noted, had already been observed elsewhere. “In the Danish study, there was no significant protection against Omicron infection beyond 31 days” after the second dose of the Pfizer. The Danes also found significant negative VE estimates 91-150 days after the second dose.” The Danish study showed those vaccinated with the Pfizer had a 76.5 per cent greater chance of getting infected than unvaccinated people. With the Moderna, the vaccinated had a 36.7 per cent greater chance of getting infected than the unvaccinated after 90 days. There is no justification for vaccine mandates. No justification for vaccine passports. No justification for people to be scared of the unvaccinated. Totally irrational fears that parts of the population has fallen for. https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2022/10/11/covid-transmission-221011/As mentioned. No justification for mandates at all. Majority of western populations have had the wool pulled over their eyes. Amazing. People taking the moral high ground and getting quadrupled baddest to save others??? A total sham. What else haven't they explained clearly?? Climate change. https://journals.ametsoc.org/configurable/content/journals$002fclim$002f32$002f12$002fjcli-d-18-0607.1.xml?t:ac=journals%24002fclim%24002f32%24002f12%24002fjcli-d-18-0607.1.xmlhttps://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/gistemp-a-human-view/
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+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. Well the ones that questioned the rhetoric around getting vaccinated to protect grandma and grandpa were right to do so. The Vax never stopped transmission. Mandates were unjustified. Unfortunately that is the truth. There were plenty of reports out there stating this over the year. I posted this one 9 months ago when segregation was being implemented across the country. Yet the mob were demanding the unvaxxed to be banished from society. https://web.archive.org/web/20220122164242/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-vaccines-are-a-tool-not-a-silver-bullet-if-wed-allowed-more-scientific/Perhaps this proverb is apt?? 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
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+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous.
I didn't say "question everything" I said "if only more people just opened their eyes and asked questions." Obviously pertaining to the article I posted 9 months ago. All you needed to do was open your eyes and read it. " The other justification for mandates had been that the vaccinated don’t transmit the virus.Most of us had presumed, when we got our first doses, that we couldn’t pass the virus on to others. Public statements repeatedly praised people for “doing your part to stop the spread.” But in August, CDC director Rochelle Walensky told CNN, when asked why the vaccinated must wear masks, “Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta; with regard to severe illness and death, they prevent it. But what they can’t do any more is prevent transmission.” In fact, the original randomized clinical trials for Pfizer and Moderna did not test if the vaccines stop transmission."
Bold part now admitted by Pfizer.
As I said, NO justification for mandates.
Surely you can accept that now?
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the 'question everything' comment is purely a reference to shared thinking (or lack of) between people who believe that positioning and googling is the answer instead of opening a book or getting an education (or hell, even speaking to an expert in their field).
'Opening your eyes' is not looking up stuff online
As for mandates - the world has moved on.
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+x+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. The Vax never stopped transmission The vaccines did stop transmission up until the advent of omicron. To say the public were duped is disingenuous.
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+xthe 'question everything' comment is purely a reference to shared thinking (or lack of) between people who believe that positioning and googling is the answer instead of opening a book or getting an education (or hell, even speaking to an expert in their field). 'Opening your eyes' is not looking up stuff online As for mandates - the world has moved on. You can't tell me what I implied. Let me explain it to you. Open your eyes - read the literature and stats out there. Ask questions - are the mandates justified ? Am I really saving granny taking this Vax? I'm young fit and healthy, do I need the Vax,? Happy I can help spell it out for you.
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+x+x+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. The Vax never stopped transmission The vaccines did stop transmission up until the advent of omicron. To say the public were duped is disingenuous. Did STOP transmission????? Hahahahahaha. It never did. There is no data or stats to prove that. Pfizer said they never even tested for transmission. Happy to be proven wrong.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]Vaccination does remain a key pillar to getting out of this but it isn't going to be the only thing (and never was). We can go back pages to when we were discussing the vaccination targets to see it was never going to mean everything back to 2019. The high vaccination rate has prevented omicron induced large scale lockdowns. This article is really worth a read [quote]There is a massive vaccine and drug development effort, so it is almost certain we will have better vaccine options, including ones that are variant-proof. But what the past month has shown us is we cannot live with unmitigated Covid-19. Vaccinations will not be enough. We need a ventilation and vaccine-plus strategy to avoid the disruptive epidemic cycle, to protect health and the economy, and to regain a semblance of the life we all want. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/01/15/why-covid-19-will-never-become-endemic/164216520013155 It may not be the only thing now... But it definitely was billed as our way out previously. Most governments spruiked it. Ads were everywhere. Perhaps the minor details were in the fine print, but the impression was "this is our shot to get back to normal" 6 months ago https://fb.watch/azEXgZlla4/ Yep ads run by the private corporation Channel 9 are an excellent example. Regardless, vaccination wasn't a waste of time it's allowed the borders to open and for us to avoid lockdowns despite huge case numbers. Things are far more "normal" than they've been anytime since early 2020. Mass messaging has to be simple, if people didn't bother to understand the finer details that's on them. This shouldn't have been a shock to anyone, especially anyone engaged in this thread over the past year. Ok. But media has been the governmenfs propaganda arm these days. Governments have been pushing it too What about this from Dan Andrews. Pretty blunt. "The roadmap makes clear that the vaccine is our only way through this.
So, if you want to open up and get back to normal sooner, the solution is clear:
Get the vaccine. Book it today." "If you want to open up" ✅ "Get back to normal sooner" ✅
If we weren't vaccinated we would be much further away from back to normal. You're missing the point. The message was vaccination is our only way back to normal. Now with 90-95% vaccination we are still nowhere near normal. They didn't say vaccination along with masks, restrictions, isolation, quarantine, check ins, vaccine passports is our way back to normal. Surely you can see the narrative has changed. It's quite obvious. That's the only point I am making. the problem is the anti-vaxers haven't allowed us to go back to complete normal vaccines were sold as the solution to returning to normal, but it is now apparent that this is not the case, since there are restrictions still in place to manage the ever changing virus. I don't think they were though. Even the head of the AMA said they are only a piece of the puzzle. The only ppl who have tried to sell that as the answer are politicians trying to get on the news. True but unfortunately they (politicians) are who we hear from and ultimately who actually make the decisions so it doesn't surprise me most people did think this to be the case. I know I did to a large degree. Not because I didn't know there were health experts saying something else, or policy experts/opposition saying something else but because the actual state leaders whose job it is to make the call sold it this way directly to the public from their vanity pulpit
Yeah I kind of assumed the vaccines would only largely prevent seriously illness. Not infection. Mostly because my partner got it early on and a close mate develops vaccines and explained the next few years pretty clearly to me.
At the end of the day there really is not total solution. It’s nature/science. It will do what it wants without a finish date. As much as that sucks we have unfortunately been unlucky enough to live through a pandemic.
And that is why mass vaccination, mandates and vaccine passports are obsolete. They do not achieve anything significant. AMnAMAMn This is demonstrably false and examples of what mass vaccination has allowed to happen have been given over and over again. If you're talking about restriction lifted then this is all to do with government decisions. Their rules. Mass vaccination mandates for kids under 18, sports industries, healthy people under 30, healthy people in general under 65 has made minimal difference. People have lost jobs for no reason. Taxpayer $$$ have been wasted on unnecessary jabs for people who didnt need it or didnt want it. Vaccination could have been simply focused at high risk industries, vulnerable people, the elderly, immunocompromised. Complete over reaction from government. Interesting figures from NSW health oday. "Of the 36 people who died; 33 people had received at least two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, and three people were not vaccinated." https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1483228787664101376?t=9AGld0VLJtuaOsSTKWjgPA&s=19"Older age is a significant risk factor for serious illness and death for COVID-19, particularly when combined with significant underlying health conditions." So everything you say about who is vulnerable is correct. Currently in NSW about 95% are fully vaccinated. More than half the people admitted are unvaccinated. There are currently 2700 people taking up hospital beds. That's a shitload of resources and cost to the government not to mention thousands of people who need treatment for other ailments aren't getting any. Without vaccines that number would be 4, 5, 10 times higher. That fact alone is why it's worth vaccinating everyone. I cannot believe people still think we should only be vaccinating some people. Not to mention variants, which could be less or more severe, can emerge because the virus is still circulating. Another reason as to why everyone should be vaxxed. Regarding the vaccine Pfizer ceo says double Vax helps a little, if at all. 3rd dose may help reduce symptoms only. Omicron Vax to be out by March/April. 5% of the NSW population over 16 make up 50% of ICU cases so that is clearly not true. So you don't trust the pharmaceutical companies now? https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer-boss-says-two-doses-provides-limited-protection-if-any-against-omicron/news-story/9d76126d080e2010f05eb0b4ae5e0c45 Also this from the article regarding mandates. Once again, mandates are obsolete. They pointed to the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) position on vaccine mandates, which states that “if mandatory vaccination is considered necessary to interrupt transmission chains and prevent harm to others, there should be sufficient evidence that the vaccine is efficacious in preventing serious infection and/or transmission”. For Omicron, they noted, “there is as yet no such evidence” and moreover, “the little data we have suggests the opposite”.
“One preprint study found that after 30 days the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines no longer had any statistically significant positive effect against Omicron infection, and after 90 days, their effect went negative – i.e. vaccinated people were more susceptible to Omicron infection,” they wrote.
“Confirming this negative efficacy finding, data from Denmark and the Canadian province of Ontario indicate that vaccinated people have higher rates of Omicron infection than unvaccinated people.” Will you change your position in March when Pfizer releases their Omicron specific vaccine? [/quote]My position is no mass vaccination, no vaccine passports no vaccine mandates. That position won't change unless the vaccination becomes a sterilising vaccine. I'm all for COVID vaccines if you and your doctor think it is better for your health. That's common sense. The only question come March time is that we've probably all have had a case of omicron by then. So may be too late? Can you define "no mass vaccination", "no vaccine passports" and "no vaccine mandates"? Chances are, your doctor will recommend that you and almost everyone take the vaccine - so that's mass vaccination. Vaccine passports are already in effect even before COVID with Medicare, the Immunisation Register and now the Services app. Vaccine mandates are only proposed in certain settings in Australia. There is no mandate.
Mass vaccination = push for 100% of the population. Who is over 12 now. But the push for 5-11 year Olds now too.
I don't think that is necessary.
Vaccine passports. - in parts around the country you need to show your COVID vaccine certificate to access services or venues. Unnecessary and redundant when everyone can get infected and spread.
Vaccine mandates. - put in place by government to continue being employed. People sacked because they don't have the COVID vaccine Just wrong. Once again everyone is susceptible to infection and can transmit.
And just to clarify the term sterilising.
Vaccines that are out there sterilise the infection. Stopping the spread.
The covid vaccine does not do this.
Even they thats what they were advertised to do in the early days. I don't think anyone is pushing for 100% vaccination... As for vaccine passports, that's being unwound. As for mandates, they only apply in high risk jobs. Tell me where there is a mandate? [/quote]Haha. They're still telling the unvaxxed to get it. The rhetoric has not let up at all. Perhaps only in NSW? National cabinet was after only about 80% Vaxxed then we can move on. Country is now at 90-95% but governments still aren't happy and demonise the unvaxxed? Not right. Unvaxxed are banned from entering venues in Victoria,Qld and WA. McGowan said unvaxed will have it difficult for "years to come". Disgusting. NT with some of the harshest laws against unvaxxed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/nt-covid-lockout-vaccine-pass-rules-explained/100742190I think SA and NSW have open to all? Not sure about Tassie Can you tell me when it will be unwound? Victoria has been running a segregated society for over 2 months now. https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-government-s-lengthy-lockout-of-unvaccinated-is-an-overreach-20211123-p59bdj.html"Premier Daniel Andrews has made it clear that the unvaccinated over-12s in Victoria – currently 425,817 of them – don’t fit into social and cultural life for the duration of 2022. They cannot get a haircut, go to the movies, buy clothes at a department store, nor attend a gym. They cannot join their fully vaccinated partner or daughter at a restaurant. Their presence at a wedding or funeral will mean numbers capped at 50." You think this is acceptable? Mandates for teachers? Mining industries. Sports. Government venues. Construction. Some hospitality also. Not high risk industries at all. WA 75% of workforce mandated. All high risk?? No chance. https://cciwa.com/business-pulse/mandatory-vaccination-announced-for-75-of-wa-workforce/Sorry. But we are pushing for close to 100% vaccinated. 90-95% not enough? Push for boosters incoming. Vaccine mandates have been put in place unnecessarily in most industries. Vaccine passports are required for travel and to be part of society in most states. This is wrong. Wow. Looking back now. .what a stupid country. Is anyone a chance to admit the segregation of society was wrong. Mandates and vax passports obsolete due to a vaccine that was non-sterilising? If only people read opened their eyes to what was actually happening. I suppose people get irrational when fear sinks in.
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+x+x+x+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. The Vax never stopped transmission The vaccines did stop transmission up until the advent of omicron. To say the public were duped is disingenuous. Did STOP transmission????? Hahahahahaha. It never did. There is no data or stats to prove that. Pfizer said they never even tested for transmission. Happy to be proven wrong. Have a look at the Australian covid numbers during the delta lockdown and the drop in daily infections once a significant percentage of the population had reviewed two doses. This was despite the lockdowns coming to an end. Find me one source where anybody ever said the vaccines would stop transmission entirely. I'm not even entirely sure what you mean by "stopping transmission" anyway. Are you referring to the likelihood of a vaxxed vs unvaxxed individual who is infected to transmit the virus? I don't think it was ever preluded by phizer that the initial testing examined that. As usual you truthers are all over the place.
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+x+x+x+x+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. The Vax never stopped transmission The vaccines did stop transmission up until the advent of omicron. To say the public were duped is disingenuous. Did STOP transmission????? Hahahahahaha. It never did. There is no data or stats to prove that. Pfizer said they never even tested for transmission. Happy to be proven wrong. Have a look at the Australian covid numbers during the delta lockdown and the drop in daily infections once a significant percentage of the population had reviewed two doses. This was despite the lockdowns coming to an end. Find me one source where anybody ever said the vaccines would stop transmission entirely. I'm not even entirely sure what you mean by "stopping transmission" anyway. Are you referring to the likelihood of a vaxxed vs unvaxxed individual who is infected to transmit the virus? I don't think it was ever preluded by phizer that the initial testing examined that. As usual you truthers are all over the place. They skew and misrepresent their other arguments to try and convince you they're right for example the mask one. - These face nappy masks don't work! - Why do doctors wear masks then? It's a basis of preventing spread of diseqse or infections. - Oh, they use a higher quality mask - ah, and yeah - they recommend you use a approved mask, nobody has ever said 'all face coverings work', It's funny at my club there's a few doctors and researchers who specialise in this field. Their studies never stop past their Masters etc. 15 years in the books and lab Yet I've never heard one of them try and push how right they are as much as these googlers
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+x+x+x+x+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. The Vax never stopped transmission The vaccines did stop transmission up until the advent of omicron. To say the public were duped is disingenuous. Did STOP transmission????? Hahahahahaha. It never did. There is no data or stats to prove that. Pfizer said they never even tested for transmission. Happy to be proven wrong. Have a look at the Australian covid numbers during the delta lockdown and the drop in daily infections once a significant percentage of the population had reviewed two doses. This was despite the lockdowns coming to an end. Find me one source where anybody ever said the vaccines would stop transmission entirely. I'm not even entirely sure what you mean by "stopping transmission" anyway. Are you referring to the likelihood of a vaxxed vs unvaxxed individual who is infected to transmit the virus? I don't think it was ever preluded by phizer that the initial testing examined that. As usual you truthers are all over the place. Point is mandates and segregation are not justified if the Vax does not stop transmission. Vaxxed or unvaxxed can both transmit. It's that simple. Can you accept this? Let's try to stick to those facts. Mandates and segregation was pushed because the fallacy the the unvaxxed were a danger to others. And you all fell for it. That is the problem. Government lied. And you guys accepted segregation. Even though the evidence was out there. Rather disappointed in humanity.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xJust randomly saying things like 'question everything' does not make for critical thinking. And following it up with posting links to completely bogus sources just makes it even more ludicrous. That Twain comment is so apt and applicable to the readership of that trustworthy news service - the Lynwood Times. The Vax never stopped transmission The vaccines did stop transmission up until the advent of omicron. To say the public were duped is disingenuous. Did STOP transmission????? Hahahahahaha. It never did. There is no data or stats to prove that. Pfizer said they never even tested for transmission. Happy to be proven wrong. Have a look at the Australian covid numbers during the delta lockdown and the drop in daily infections once a significant percentage of the population had reviewed two doses. This was despite the lockdowns coming to an end. Find me one source where anybody ever said the vaccines would stop transmission entirely. I'm not even entirely sure what you mean by "stopping transmission" anyway. Are you referring to the likelihood of a vaxxed vs unvaxxed individual who is infected to transmit the virus? I don't think it was ever preluded by phizer that the initial testing examined that. As usual you truthers are all over the place. They skew and misrepresent their other arguments to try and convince you they're right for example the mask one. - These face nappy masks don't work! - Why do doctors wear masks then? It's a basis of preventing spread of diseqse or infections. - Oh, they use a higher quality mask - ah, and yeah - they recommend you use a approved mask, nobody has ever said 'all face coverings work', It's funny at my club there's a few doctors and researchers who specialise in this field. Their studies never stop past their Masters etc. 15 years in the books and lab Yet I've never heard one of them try and push how right they are as much as these googlers Hahaha. Avoiding the clear topic at hand. Mandates and segregation were unjustified. Agreed?
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I don't give a shit about mandates and personally think its ludicrous that Djokovic cant enter the country but players can play while covid positive
I think a lot of mistakes were made by politicians. The doctors and experts gave their recommendations for health practices based on decades of knowledge. Not googling a page for 2 seconds.
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