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This is actually deranged.
First, it was covid is a lie, then it was all these conspiracy theories of government control to using lockdowns to transport the bodies of kids burried under the cities to everyone was dying of heart attacks - now that none of this is true the goalposts keep shifting to other batshit crazy nonsense. No wonder society's biggest dregs drift to these right wing conspiracies. Just look at the tiprats at these anti-vaccine rallies still
It's unsettling that such absolute fruit loops walk amongst us, working themselves up into a rage...just like those lunatics in Queensland who shot the cops.
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I read that and thought of this mob. Getting worked up to the point of wanting to kill people over something that just isn;t an issue.
The likes of the daily mail must be sitting back pissing themselves at the crap they spit out for people to get worked up over
I wonder if they all have dropped their lord of the years past Alan Jones, he lured the adults into right-wing rubbish while luring the young boys in at the same time
In many ways they have been groomed over the years
Not just right wing rubbish mate.... Look at all the pro-Palestine warriors coming out of the woodwork these past weeks... I even saw a "Queers for Palestine" banner at one of the rallys FFS. hahahahaha Funniest thing I have ever seen in my life....
yes they are idiots, but at least they are getting involved in a real issue that has major consequences - not smashing their computer screen because some cross dresser made a tik tok post
I can't stand greens and the likes of them btw
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. In NSW sex ed starts in year 7. I linked you the curriculum. 50 times I've said I agree with you and you still put words in my mouth. I said what's wrong with telling a 5 year old that asks why their friend has 2 dads that some boys like other boys. No one will die if you say that. Did I once say they should talk to 5 year olds about sex and the mechanics of it? Did I say I agree with the sexualisation of children? Did I disagree about maths and science? You people are deluded if you think kids in primary school don't know what's going on. I remember boys at my primary school bragging about fingering girls and talking about how girls had flaps and how girls could suck your dick and all the rest of it. I was such an innocent little kid I couldn't believe what I was hearing and I had no idea if any of it was actually real. I heard Vietnamese girls (the refugees that arrived in the 70)s had sideways vaginas because they were Asian. (And I believed it because how would I know different.) Kids have been saying I'll show you mine if you show you mine since Adam was a boy. One of the first thing a kid will do with a Barbie if they have a Ken doll is make them pretend to have a root. But live in a fantasy world if you want to think kids are all little innocents. (That's NOT TO SAY we shouldn't try to protect them.) You may as well say you shouldn't sell kids condoms because that only encourages them to have sex. I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same.
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. [/quote]I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. 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+x+xhttps://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/analysis-claiming-covid-19-vaccines-killed-17-million-people-flawed/Published studies so far contradict the narrative that COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of all-cause mortality. A study that looked at excess mortality in the U.S. and other peer countries between June 2021 and March 2022 found that excess all-cause mortality was greater in the ten least-vaccinated states than in the ten most-vaccinated states[1].A CDC study examining the period between December 2020 and July 2021[2] found that COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower rates of non-COVID-19 mortality.Another study in the state of Indiana, which included more than 520,000 people, compared vaccinated people with unvaccinated, previously infected people. The study actually found that all-cause mortality was 37% lower in the vaccinated group[3]. Muz, I suppose if I cited opposing data/evidence, it would not shift your stance? Stop shifting the goalposts and building strawmen you fool. By your own retarded logic you are a sheep for believing the earth is round. Flat earthers, by your reckoning, are the 'truth seekers' that have uncovered a vast conspiracy that perpetuates the earth is round. Repeat after me 'I am a sheep for believing the earth is round in accordance with 99% of the world's scientific knowledge' and then square that statement with 'I am not a sheep for believing the earth is 6000 years old despite 99% of the world's scientific knowledge saying it isn't'.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. [/quote]Gotta side with Enzo on this one too Muz, no sex ed down here until Year 7 adult health classes..... Gotta say I dont think children as young as 5 can grasp (nor should they be forced to) grasp as complex emotional developmental issues as human sexuality.... Im all for telling my children the truth and will always answer any questions as fairly as I can however I believe their level of emotional maturity should also dictate what they should be exposed too... Thats not a left or right thing by the way, I also hate the way children are being sexualized by mass media and the internet... Went to my daughters catholic school Xmas carols thing last night (primary school) and some of the girls in her class ,11 and 12 year olds, had full blown makeup and mini skirt boob top combos..... You might say "so what?" but my little one wanted to know why a boy in her class would ask another little girl in her class for naked pictures of herself...... fuck me mate... some girls are playing with Barbies and having pretend tea parties and others are taking their first steps towards prostitution..... I'm repeating myself ad nauseum here but that is not what I'm saying. I'm simply saying if my 5 year old kid asked me why her friend had 2 dads I would say most boys like girls but some boys like other boys and that's why she has 2 dads. What in god's could possibly be wrong with being truthful and saying exactly what I would say? I don't agree with the sexualisation of children but this also is nothing new. (Though seems to be getting more extreme.)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith.
The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair.
The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym.
And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him
The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally.
And the masses of people do not care.
This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened.
Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving?
I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.
I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time.
If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity....
Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement.
MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. [/quote]First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though Yep. It's wild. Of course they weren't 'real christians'. Fortunately Santa Claus for adults made sure they got their comeuppance in the afterlife. Fucking lol.
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though [/quote]Fortunately Santa Claus for adults made sure they got their comeuppance in the afterlife. Fucking lol. Only if they didn't have a chance to repent before the big guy came for 'em though - don't forget that get out clause lol
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I read that and thought of this mob. Getting worked up to the point of wanting to kill people over something that just isn;t an issue.
The likes of the daily mail must be sitting back pissing themselves at the crap they spit out for people to get worked up over
I wonder if they all have dropped their lord of the years past Alan Jones, he lured the adults into right-wing rubbish while luring the young boys in at the same time
In many ways they have been groomed over the years
Not just right wing rubbish mate.... Look at all the pro-Palestine warriors coming out of the woodwork these past weeks... I even saw a "Queers for Palestine" banner at one of the rallys FFS. hahahahaha Funniest thing I have ever seen in my life....
yes they are idiots, but at least they are getting involved in a real issue that has major consequences - not smashing their computer screen because some cross dresser made a tik tok post
I can't stand greens and the likes of them btw
Yeah the MAJOR consequence is they are supporting a political and religious ideology that see them as less than human..... WTF dude? What so they cant be seen as siding with "right-wing" Israel... That is just dumb, self defeatist and dumb.... Its almost as hilarious as Slavs siding and fighting on the side of Hitler in WW2...... Im not even going to bring up Ukraine --- the presently "forgotten war" lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. [/quote]In NSW sex ed starts in year 7. I linked you the curriculum. 50 times I've said I agree with you and you still put words in my mouth. I said what's wrong with telling a 5 year old that asks why their friend has 2 dads that some boys like other boys. No one will die if you say that. Did I once say they should talk to 5 year olds about sex and the mechanics of it? Did I say I agree with the sexualisation of children? Did I disagree about maths and science? You people are deluded if you think kids in primary school don't know what's going on. I remember boys at my primary school bragging about fingering girls and talking about how girls had flaps and how girls could suck your dick and all the rest of it. I was such an innocent little kid I couldn't believe what I was hearing and I had no idea if any of it was actually real. I heard Vietnamese girls (the refugees that arrived in the 70)s had sideways vaginas because they were Asian. (And I believed it because how would I know different.) Kids have been saying I'll show you mine if you show you mine since Adam was a boy. One of the first thing a kid will do with a Barbie if they have a Ken doll is make them pretend to have a root. But live in a fantasy world if you want to think kids are all little innocents. (That's NOT TO SAY we shouldn't try to protect them.) You may as well say you shouldn't sell kids condoms because that only encourages them to have sex. I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. Hahahaah Vietnamese with sideways vaginas... hahaha I remember that shit. hahahahahaahahaha What you say is true mate but difference nowadays is that KIDS DO know what all that stuff means and they DO have a visual guide (on line) of how to do it. AND they DO have the expectation that what they see from society is the norm.. What they DONT have is the critical skill and maturity to distinguish what is real and what is bullshit... In our day the little girl that let the boys kiss her behind the sheds or touch her fanny didnt have her nudes posted on revenge porn websites for the rest of her life and have thousands of pedos around the world beating their meat to her pics.... thats all Im saying.
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith.
The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair.
The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym.
And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him
The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally.
And the masses of people do not care.
This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened.
Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving?
I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.
I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time.
If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity....
Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement.
MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
Gotta side with Enzo on this one too Muz, no sex ed down here until Year 7 adult health classes..... Gotta say I dont think children as young as 5 can grasp (nor should they be forced to) grasp as complex emotional developmental issues as human sexuality.... Im all for telling my children the truth and will always answer any questions as fairly as I can however I believe their level of emotional maturity should also dictate what they should be exposed too... Thats not a left or right thing by the way, I also hate the way children are being sexualized by mass media and the internet... Went to my daughters catholic school Xmas carols thing last night (primary school) and some of the girls in her class ,11 and 12 year olds, had full blown makeup and mini skirt boob top combos..... You might say "so what?" but my little one wanted to know why a boy in her class would ask another little girl in her class for naked pictures of herself...... fuck me mate... some girls are playing with Barbies and having pretend tea parties and others are taking their first steps towards prostitution..... [/quote]I'm repeating myself ad nauseum here but that is not what I'm saying. I'm simply saying if my 5 year old kid asked me why her friend had 2 dads I would say most boys like girls but some boys like other boys and that's why she has 2 dads.What in god's could possibly be wrong with being truthful and saying exactly what I would say? I don't agree with the sexualisation of children but this also is nothing new. (Though seems to be getting more extreme.) Thats verbatim my answer too mate... NOT the problem... or what I(we) are saying....
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith.
The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair.
The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym.
And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him
The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally.
And the masses of people do not care.
This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened.
Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving?
I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.
I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time.
If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity....
Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement.
MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. [/quote]First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though Lazy arguments both of you .... Sexual abuse is not just a religious thing ..... if it where it would be an easy problem to solve....
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith.
The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair.
The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym.
And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him
The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally.
And the masses of people do not care.
This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened.
Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving?
I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.
I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time.
If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity....
Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement.
MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
In NSW sex ed starts in year 7. I linked you the curriculum. 50 times I've said I agree with you and you still put words in my mouth. I said what's wrong with telling a 5 year old that asks why their friend has 2 dads that some boys like other boys. No one will die if you say that. Did I once say they should talk to 5 year olds about sex and the mechanics of it? Did I say I agree with the sexualisation of children? Did I disagree about maths and science? You people are deluded if you think kids in primary school don't know what's going on. I remember boys at my primary school bragging about fingering girls and talking about how girls had flaps and how girls could suck your dick and all the rest of it. I was such an innocent little kid I couldn't believe what I was hearing and I had no idea if any of it was actually real. I heard Vietnamese girls (the refugees that arrived in the 70)s had sideways vaginas because they were Asian. (And I believed it because how would I know different.) Kids have been saying I'll show you mine if you show you mine since Adam was a boy. One of the first thing a kid will do with a Barbie if they have a Ken doll is make them pretend to have a root. But live in a fantasy world if you want to think kids are all little innocents. (That's NOT TO SAY we shouldn't try to protect them.) You may as well say you shouldn't sell kids condoms because that only encourages them to have sex. I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. [/quote]Hahahaah Vietnamese with sideways vaginas... hahaha I remember that shit. hahahahahaahahaha What you say is true mate but difference nowadays is that KIDS DO know what all that stuff means and they DO have a visual guide (on line) of how to do it. AND they DO have the expectation that what they see from society is the norm.. What they DONT have is the critical skill and maturity to distinguish what is real and what is bullshit... In our day the little girl that let the boys kiss her behind the sheds or touch her fanny didnt have her nudes posted on revenge porn websites for the rest of her life and have thousands of pedos around the world beating their meat to her pics.... thats all Im saying. Well yeah but let's not live in a fantasy world where kids were doe-eyed innocents back in the day because they weren't.
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though [/quote]Lazy arguments both of you .... Sexual abuse is not just a religious thing ..... if it where it would be an easy problem to solve.... Maaaaaaate come on. Kids in orphanages where this rampant abuse took place were mostly in there because religion deemed it unacceptable to have a child out of wedlock. RELIGION. That is an unequivocal fact. (My mate was taken from his mother in the early 70s.) So much for christian charity. Lump them together with males and females that have sworn a lifetime of celibacy and you have a recipe for disaster. And of course sexual abuse is not just a religious thing but one minute you're telling us (not you but others) christians have higher levels of morality because of religion and the next is oh it's got nothing to do with it. If anything it proves religion has no benefit when it comes to making people behaving morally.
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same.
First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though Fortunately Santa Claus for adults made sure they got their comeuppance in the afterlife. Fucking lol. [/quote]Only if they didn't have a chance to repent before the big guy came for 'em though - don't forget that get out clause lol Yeah this is the wildest bit. A doctor, who also happens to be an an atheist, dedicates his life for next to no pay treating blindness in children will die and not be accepted into heaven because he is not a believer. A serial killer who has murdered dozens of people due to be hung the next day can, if he sincerely repents, make his way through the pearly gates. Fuck right off. What a joke.
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I read that and thought of this mob. Getting worked up to the point of wanting to kill people over something that just isn;t an issue.
The likes of the daily mail must be sitting back pissing themselves at the crap they spit out for people to get worked up over
I wonder if they all have dropped their lord of the years past Alan Jones, he lured the adults into right-wing rubbish while luring the young boys in at the same time
In many ways they have been groomed over the years
Not just right wing rubbish mate.... Look at all the pro-Palestine warriors coming out of the woodwork these past weeks... I even saw a "Queers for Palestine" banner at one of the rallys FFS. hahahahaha Funniest thing I have ever seen in my life....
yes they are idiots, but at least they are getting involved in a real issue that has major consequences - not smashing their computer screen because some cross dresser made a tik tok post
I can't stand greens and the likes of them btw
Yeah the MAJOR consequence is they are supporting a political and religious ideology that see them as less than human..... WTF dude? What so they cant be seen as siding with "right-wing" Israel... That is just dumb, self defeatist and dumb.... Its almost as hilarious as Slavs siding and fighting on the side of Hitler in WW2...... Im not even going to bring up Ukraine --- the presently "forgotten war" lol
I meant they are protesting a war.
Much more important than right wing nutjobs getting worked up about toilets
I am not making any comment on the ethics or taking sides on the war
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though [/quote]Lazy arguments both of you .... Sexual abuse is not just a religious thing ..... if it where it would be an easy problem to solve.... It's not an argument - it's a fact No bigger institution has been sexually abusing children on a level than the major churches. Nobody says it's a religious thing, but they are the best, biggest and largely have been a cover for it
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. [/quote]I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though
Fortunately Santa Claus for adults made sure they got their comeuppance in the afterlife. Fucking lol. Only if they didn't have a chance to repent before the big guy came for 'em though - don't forget that get out clause lol [/quote]Yeah this is the wildest bit. A doctor, who also happens to be an an atheist, dedicates his life for next to no pay treating blindness in children will die and not be accepted into heaven because he is not a believer. A serial killer who has murdered dozens of people due to be hung the next day can, if he sincerely repents, make his way through the pearly gates. Fuck right off. What a joke. How do you know an atheist Doctor wont get into heaven? Have you got an inside tip to a hotline to God or something??? Your not basing you opinion of all Christianity on what fundamental nut jobs on the internet tell you are you? Inst that sort of like saying all LGBTQ people are child molesters?
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same.
First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though Lazy arguments both of you .... Sexual abuse is not just a religious thing ..... if it where it would be an easy problem to solve.... [/quote]It's not an argument - it's a fact No bigger institution has been sexually abusing children on a level than the major churches. Nobody says it's a religious thing, but they are the best, biggest and largely have been a cover for it Since the dawn of time EVERY single conquering army has raped and pillaged, regardless of religion or lack of. Not to mention the Boy Scouts or the "sexual hazing" going on at pretty much every single English boarding school since the 1700s (ask Stephen Fry for that one..lol) What about the Middle Eastern proclivity of little boys and girls, or Sub continent India and their total disregard for child rape or Japans sytemic rape of the whole of South East Asia for a decade or more in the 30-40s? Lets dive over to the US and their Southern incest fascination not to mention the "casting coach" that is the entertainment business.... Did the Ticket of leavers and Squatters in early Australian histry rape little black children in the name of the ANglican church and mother Engalnd? Catholic priest celibacy is a crazy temptation for a faith driven primarily by guilt I 100% agree, and its also systemic vile and evil but thankfully deosnt reflect all of Christianity...
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. [/quote]First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though Fortunately Santa Claus for adults made sure they got their comeuppance in the afterlife. Fucking lol.
Only if they didn't have a chance to repent before the big guy came for 'em though - don't forget that get out clause lol Yeah this is the wildest bit. A doctor, who also happens to be an an atheist, dedicates his life for next to no pay treating blindness in children will die and not be accepted into heaven because he is not a believer. A serial killer who has murdered dozens of people due to be hung the next day can, if he sincerely repents, make his way through the pearly gates. Fuck right off. What a joke. [/quote]How do you know an atheist Doctor wont get into heaven? Have you got an inside tip to a hotline to God or something??? Your not basing you opinion of all Christianity on what fundamental nut jobs on the internet tell you are you? Inst that sort of like saying all LGBTQ people are child molesters? No I'm not basing what RWNJs are saying as my opinion. That statement about getting into heaven is pretty much as bland as you could get. Not a fundamentalist interpretation at all. And no I'm not saying all christians are child abusers. I'm saying rampant child abuse and sexual exploitation took place in religious institutions. That doesn't make all christians child molesters but that doesn't change the fact these people believed in god, believed in chistian 'morals' and still behaved like this. And now you're telling me non-believers get to go to heaven? Does that also apply to people who aren't of the right faith? But that's the thing with you blokes. YOU CHOOSE which bits to believe and which not to. To give the simplest example some christians are against pre-marital sex, others aren't. They both can't be right. There is no grey here. I'm not picking on you. I think you're one of the most reasonable god believing blokes here but it's an observable fact that you, Enzo and lowercase js have wildly different ideas based on, let's be honest, what you (or what you've been told) to think are christian tenets. And you can't all be right.
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I read that and thought of this mob. Getting worked up to the point of wanting to kill people over something that just isn;t an issue.
The likes of the daily mail must be sitting back pissing themselves at the crap they spit out for people to get worked up over
I wonder if they all have dropped their lord of the years past Alan Jones, he lured the adults into right-wing rubbish while luring the young boys in at the same time
In many ways they have been groomed over the years
Not just right wing rubbish mate.... Look at all the pro-Palestine warriors coming out of the woodwork these past weeks... I even saw a "Queers for Palestine" banner at one of the rallys FFS. hahahahaha Funniest thing I have ever seen in my life....
yes they are idiots, but at least they are getting involved in a real issue that has major consequences - not smashing their computer screen because some cross dresser made a tik tok post
I can't stand greens and the likes of them btw
Yeah the MAJOR consequence is they are supporting a political and religious ideology that see them as less than human..... WTF dude? What so they cant be seen as siding with "right-wing" Israel... That is just dumb, self defeatist and dumb.... Its almost as hilarious as Slavs siding and fighting on the side of Hitler in WW2...... Im not even going to bring up Ukraine --- the presently "forgotten war" lol
I meant they are protesting a war.
Much more important than right wing nutjobs getting worked up about toilets
I am not making any comment on the ethics or taking sides on the war
Thats the problem mate, they are NOT protesting a war... thats the absolute stupidity of it..They couldn't care less if the Palestinians despise them more than the Jews... thats not the point to these people.. If some woke dingaling comes out tomorrow and say "Palestine is the enemy, we have ALWAYS been at war with Palestine the enemy of the true left wing Israeli people" they will tear up the banners and make new ones and NOT skip a beat..... Its dangerously close to Orwellian shit mate....
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing. [/quote]I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though
Lazy arguments both of you .... Sexual abuse is not just a religious thing ..... if it where it would be an easy problem to solve.... It's not an argument - it's a fact No bigger institution has been sexually abusing children on a level than the major churches. Nobody says it's a religious thing, but they are the best, biggest and largely have been a cover for it [/quote]Since the dawn of time EVERY single conquering army has raped and pillaged, regardless of religion or lack of. Since the dawn of time we've had religion and according to the arguments at length on the other thread it's been a fundamental driver of man's moral compass. You can't have it both ways. And there's a difference between a conquering army and an orphanage. Not that you didn't know that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith.
The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair.
The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym.
And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him
The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally.
And the masses of people do not care.
This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened.
Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving?
I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.
I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time.
If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity....
Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement.
MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. [/quote]First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though Public schools?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote](I didn't want MSC's ridiculous mocking of the person's nickname to cause the news story to get lost in the thread, so I am re-posting) - For batch 1, out of 711 vaccinated individuals, 152 fatalities were reported, indicating a staggering 21% mortality rate
- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith.
The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair.
The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym.
And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him
The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally.
And the masses of people do not care.
This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened.
Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving?
I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.
I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time.
If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity....
Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement.
MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation.
95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.)
As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.'
So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'.
The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system.
But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings.
The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers.
The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from.
A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along".
So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth.
You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense.
The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd.
In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders.
But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong.
So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep.
Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha
Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining.
Entertaining?
The bloke is nuts.
hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way.
No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'.
Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous.
You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. (And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation.
Meanwhile:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.html
And the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak...
Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.)
Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue.
As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge.
Yeah nah.
5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology.
The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own.
I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do.
If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?'
What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?)
As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out.
You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done?
I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Why is this science denialism happening now?
Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues,
As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are!
What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists.
Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon
I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.)
If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'.
Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists?
There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say.
Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old.
As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.)
Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpe
I vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion.
And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to.
I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either.
But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want.
As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
Gotta side with Enzo on this one too Muz, no sex ed down here until Year 7 adult health classes..... Gotta say I dont think children as young as 5 can grasp (nor should they be forced to) grasp as complex emotional developmental issues as human sexuality.... Im all for telling my children the truth and will always answer any questions as fairly as I can however I believe their level of emotional maturity should also dictate what they should be exposed too... Thats not a left or right thing by the way, I also hate the way children are being sexualized by mass media and the internet... Went to my daughters catholic school Xmas carols thing last night (primary school) and some of the girls in her class ,11 and 12 year olds, had full blown makeup and mini skirt boob top combos..... You might say "so what?" but my little one wanted to know why a boy in her class would ask another little girl in her class for naked pictures of herself...... fuck me mate... some girls are playing with Barbies and having pretend tea parties and others are taking their first steps towards prostitution..... [/quote]I'm repeating myself ad nauseum here but that is not what I'm saying. I'm simply saying if my 5 year old kid asked me why her friend had 2 dads I would say most boys like girls but some boys like other boys and that's why she has 2 dads.What in god's could possibly be wrong with being truthful and saying exactly what I would say? I don't agree with the sexualisation of children but this also is nothing new. (Though seems to be getting more extreme.) "But why, Dad?"
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
Gotta side with Enzo on this one too Muz, no sex ed down here until Year 7 adult health classes..... Gotta say I dont think children as young as 5 can grasp (nor should they be forced to) grasp as complex emotional developmental issues as human sexuality.... Im all for telling my children the truth and will always answer any questions as fairly as I can however I believe their level of emotional maturity should also dictate what they should be exposed too... Thats not a left or right thing by the way, I also hate the way children are being sexualized by mass media and the internet... Went to my daughters catholic school Xmas carols thing last night (primary school) and some of the girls in her class ,11 and 12 year olds, had full blown makeup and mini skirt boob top combos..... You might say "so what?" but my little one wanted to know why a boy in her class would ask another little girl in her class for naked pictures of herself...... fuck me mate... some girls are playing with Barbies and having pretend tea parties and others are taking their first steps towards prostitution..... I'm repeating myself ad nauseum here but that is not what I'm saying. I'm simply saying if my 5 year old kid asked me why her friend had 2 dads I would say most boys like girls but some boys like other boys and that's why she has 2 dads.What in god's could possibly be wrong with being truthful and saying exactly what I would say? I don't agree with the sexualisation of children but this also is nothing new. (Though seems to be getting more extreme.) [/quote]"But why, Dad?" 'Because they do darling and when you get older I'll explain why.'
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- Batch 8, with a 17% mortality rate,
- Batch 3 with 15% mortality rate
- Even among larger sample sizes, such as batch number 70 that vaccinated 11,000 individuals, there were 498 deaths accounted for, representing a 4% mortality rate.
Below is video of whistleblower interviewed by his lawyer: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dmgyKfhAZkxz/____ https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administratorhttps://celiafarber.substack.com/p/new-zealand-database-administrator Quiz question: If a whistleblower risks his career and even life to reveal to the public -- referring to data on a government database that is not clasified, but for internal use -- that there have been massive numbers of deaths following vaccination by certain batches of vaccines -- and this is similar to reports in the U.S. of high deaths in certain batches of vaccines -- WHAT do you do? 1) silence the whistleblower, discredit him, charge him with accessing databases, and tell everyone "nothing to see here, folks, Just move along". OR2) Scientifically investigate to see whether the high death rates are true. For reference, here is a report of similar findings in the U.S. where certain batches of vaccines accounted for massive number of deaths, suggesting problems in quality control of certain batches of vaccines. Article title, "Bad Pfizer Vaccine Batches Account for 4.2% of doses but 71% of Serious Adverse Events" https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/bad-pfizer-vaccine-batches-account?Answer: the following articles show what they did to the whistleblower. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019640/what-we-know-about-te-whatu-oras-vaccine-data-scandalhttps://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/nz-vaccine-deaths-claim-lacks-any-evidence/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-alleged-te-whatu-ora-mass-privacy-breach-of-covid-vaccination-data/SF3KR4MIJRGXRPXMB22XND74D4/https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.htmlhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/04-12-2023/the-bulletin-health-worker-arrested-over-covid-vaccine-data-breachhttps://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/Think. When you read articles like the above, ask yourself: what is the sequence of events? - Did they 1) assume the vaccines are safe and effective, therefore 2) the whistleblower's data is crazy and false. OR - Did they test the whistleblower's data, and from that, conclude that the data did not show any danger in those batches of vaccines? Think..... How does a "whistle blower" jeopardise their career buy using a pseudonym..... ? Not going to click on any of your suspicious looking links but if by some clever twist off fate the actual "person's" name is revealed in one of your vids then I would question the need for such a victim ladened pseudonym to begin with. Do better in who you choose to believe in johnsmith. The N.Z. whistleblower tried to keep his name secret -- but it has since been revealed -- because the vast majority of people in society are incredibly unfair. The unfairness is seen in people who reject the data/evidence - just because he used a pseudonym. And the government -- rather than first checking whether the data/evidence is true -- instead, they sent SWAT teams to arrest him The unfairness in the Media is that, rather than investigating whether the data is true -- the Media focuses on the charges of using the data illegally. And the masses of people do not care. This is a hard world - and it is so because the vast majority of people are hardened. Can you imagine, through history, the true whistleblowers who help save society -- being rejected by the people whom the whistleblower wanted to help -- you -- you reject him solely because he used a pseudonym to try to protect himself from the attacks he is now receiving? I gain experience by dialoguing on this website because I interact with people like you. I learn how people think in their hearts. If the tables were turned, and someone rejected your whistleblowing attempt to help society .... simply because you tried to keep anonymous (as most whistleblowers as allowed to do) ... you would be crushed if your attempts were met by a hardened society that spat in your face.I don't know who you are beyond your initials MSC - but I'm guessing society is filled with hardened people. We can see the total effect of lots of people being hardened, because society is being hardened, one person at a time. You have no idea what is and isnt in my "heart" johnsmith and your insistence of doing so just shows your arrogance not some sort of holy understanding of human nature..... If I had something to say to the world and I could, with a clear conscience, stand behind my convictions, I would use my own name... not hide behind anonymity.... Despite what you think, trading barbs on a football forum anonymously is an entertaining pastime, not some sort of evangelical political statement. MSC, our brief discussion on the NZ Whistleblower is a prime example of how 95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following those whom they trust. Hence, it is not a derogatory insult to call the 95% of people to be sheep. It is an analogy that is based on fair observation. 95% of people believe the earth to be round including you. (As you said at the very outset of the other thread.) As you have just said '95% of people in society are not driven by facts/evidence, but instead, by following whom they trust.' So, by your own retarded logic, you are in fact a 'sheep'. The consequence of being a crowd-follower, a consensus follower, a sheep, is that .... usually no consequence. Most times, things work out fine. In most areas of life, we just go with the system. But where it goes wrong is where people who are in charge of the system get it wrong. That's when the crowd-follower goes over the cliff with the other lemmings. The litmus test of how a person responds to whistleblowers. The sign of a mobster is: 1) the insult the whistleblower, and 2) refuse to see the data for themselves, and 3) they follow the crowd because that is where their peace and safety come from. A mobster -- even if in their heart and mind, they realise there is something wrong --- they simply cannot stand being in the outsider 5%. That is a fate worse than anything, so they would rather insult, jeer and mock to convince themselves that "there is nothing to see here, folks, just move along". So you're admitting you're a sheep for believing the earth is spherical. Thank you for confirming you are indeed a 'sheep' with regards to a spherical earth. You'll begin to realise that I am speaking common sense. The term "sheep" is not an insult. It is descriptive of when we follow the direction of a crowd. In some areas of our life, we are followers. In other areas of life, we are leaders. But there are certain emergency situations where we ought to shift from sheep to leader -- when the direction of the crowd suddenly goes wrong. So one could make a distinction between smart-sheep versus idiot-sheep. Hahahah Muz, I think he is trying to hypnotise you.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look deep into his eyes and you will begin to believe he is talking sense.. hahahha Ah re johnsmith, you really are entertaining. Entertaining? The bloke is nuts. hehehe not nuts, just very staunch in his beliefs.... We all are in a way. No mate, he is off his chops. You can't have a 'choose your own adventure' when it comes to things like the age of the earth'. Just think how many people from dozens of scientific fields and dozens and dozens of countries have to be wrong for his assertion to be right. It's flat out ridiculous. You could say 'what's the harm' until these fuckheads get the curriculum changed and books banned as happens in the good old USA. ( And here's Enzo worried about some teacher saying some people are different from other people.
Yeah we need to teach 5 year olds sexuality and have men dressed as women read to them books about homosexuality, cross dressing, and gender affirmation. Meanwhile: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australian-school-students-more-than-four-years-behind-in-maths-20231204-p5eosl.htmlAnd the worst state? Well of course, its also the most "progressive" state: Victoria. (Why do leftists use the word "progressive" to describe their politics when clearly the outcomes of the politrics are regressive? Oh that's right, control language, control thoughts use double-speak... Both things can be wrong at the same time. Obviously you think teaching kids about homosexuals is an existential threat to humanity. Don't panic, not being afraid of homosexuals won't impinge on your rights to live your life the way you see fit. (I mean you might have to use a unisex toilet. Oh the humanity.) Fuckheads that deny science and sow doubt about science are however an existential threat to humanity. To take one example just look at the comeback measles and other communicable diseases are making. All due to science denying fuckwits that don't have a clue. As easy as it is to laugh at YECs they are a problem. They are the thin edge of the wedge. Yeah nah. 5 year olds should be 5 year olds, not tools for pushing gender ideology. The very concept of science is built on doubt. There is no thin edge of the wedge. If its good science it will stand on its own. I've never argued the point about gender ideology with you. I just don't see it as the massive threat to society that you do. If your 5 year old daughter said to you 'A friend of mine at school has 2 dads how come?' What is wrong with explaining to her that whilst most boys like girls some boys like other boys? What is the big deal? Talking to her about the mechanics of anal sex and all the rest of it is of course ridiculous. (Yes I know what you'll say next, they're already doing that. Did I say I agree?) As to science being built on doubt that's to a point. And that point is when it starts to become harmful. Babies going deaf because vaccine efficacy is brought into doubt by self appointed 'truth seekers' are fucking dangerous and need to be called out. You think there is no issue sexualizing 5 year olds? Why does it need to be done? I would say to a 5 hear old daughter to treat her friend the same as her other friends and the way you want to be treated. That she can learn about the other stuff when she's old enough, say when she's 40. ( thats a joke BTW..). Now go and play and have some fun, you're 5 life doesn't get as care-free and innocent as it is right now. Enjoy it whilst it lasts. Why is this science denialism happening now? Our education system is producing scientific and mathematics illiterates. This is not up for debate. One reason for this is the focus on "soft" subjects over "hard" ones as being "equivalent but different". Another reason is the lack of teachers skilled in the "hard" ones. A third reason is trendy but unproven teaching methods and the infiltration of schools and departments by activists and idealogues, As you say, mainstream science sees these people ( science "denialists" ) as an existential threat that must be squashed for the overall good. So how is that done? well, mainstream SCIENCE itself then uses propaganda, misinformation, bias, and censorship of legitimate concerns. In the true Marxist tradition, they then accuse *others* of doing exactly the same things they are! What are you on about? Step out of the rabbit hole for Christ's sake. Who is sexualising 5 year old children by saying to them some boys like other boys and leave it at that? Kids are far more sophisticated than you'd think. Any kid growing up on a farm knows what sex is from the time they can walk and talk or soon thereafter. In news that must be surprising to you they're not all brain damaged and/or marxists. Every time you bang on about 'Marxism' you sound like a loon I've always been extremely open with our kids about sex when they were young. If they asked us we told them. Better to hear it from me than have their heads filled with garbage by some ratbag at school. (You would remember from your own childhood hearing all sorts of rubbish that turned out to be not true.) If you want to stick your head in the sand and not talk to kids about sex then don't be surprised if they have their heads filled by all sorts of crap and come home pregnant at 14 because 'if the girl goes on top they can't get pregnant'. Why is science denialism happening now? Is it marxism? Leftists? There'd be multiple reasons with social media being one of the largest I'd say. Back in the day the bloke banging on in the pub about aliens building the pyramids would be laughed at or ignored but now they have a online community to fondle their balls and indulge them in their idiocy. Case in point is lowercase js who, despite what every scientist on earth has proven almost beyond doubt that the earth is billions of years old prefers his 'truth' that the earth is 6000 years old. As for what's taught at school you wouldn't know a school curriculum if it bit you in the arse. My wife runs a school. You have no idea what they teach. (Now go and link me the extreme example of some pink haired lezzo with armpit hair from some alternate part of the country to prove your point.) Here's the NSW PDHPE syllabus. (One subject and one only.) Have at it quoting at length the marxists in it destroying our children's minds. https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/pdhpeI vividly remember at primary school in the 70s having sex education taught to us across multiple lessons. I would have been in year 3 or 4. Back when people were far more relaxed about sex and thought, rightly so, an informed person was better than a misinformed one. It's nothing new except back then we used to bash blokes at school for being 'poofters' because we all hated 'poofters' with a passion. And why did we hate 'poofters'? Because the Prods and Micks and their stupid bible told us to. I don't know which schools you went to, but sex education was taught in year 9 at my school. There wasn't a single 14 year old girl that came through my cohort that got pregnant. None grew up on a farm either. But sure, talk sex with a 5 year old, if you want. As for modern teaching, whatever it is they are teaching in the curriculum, it isn't working to maintain- let alone improve-learning outcomes. That's indisputable. That's a big part of science and maths illiteracy we're seeing.
I love all you old blokes who thinks the world has gone to hell in a handbasket when it comes to kids. The more things change the more they stay the same. First to look the other way or just gloss over the fact of their favoured institutions rampant sexual abuse of minors back in the day (and still) though [/quote]Fortunately Santa Claus for adults made sure they got their comeuppance in the afterlife. Fucking lol. Only if they didn't have a chance to repent before the big guy came for 'em though - don't forget that get out clause lol
Yeah this is the wildest bit.
A doctor, who also happens to be an an atheist, dedicates his life for next to no pay treating blindness in children will die and not be accepted into heaven because he is not a believer.
A serial killer who has murdered dozens of people due to be hung the next day can, if he sincerely repents, make his way through the pearly gates.
Fuck right off. What a joke. How do you know an atheist Doctor wont get into heaven? Have you got an inside tip to a hotline to God or something??? Your not basing you opinion of all Christianity on what fundamental nut jobs on the internet tell you are you? Inst that sort of like saying all LGBTQ people are child molesters? [/quote]No I'm not basing what RWNJs are saying. That statement is pretty much as bland as you could get. Not a fundamentalist interpretation at all. Right so now you're telling me non-believers get to go to heaven? Does that also apply to people who aren't of the right faith? But that's the thing with you blokes. YOU CHOOSE which bit to believe and which not to. To give the simplest example some christians are against pre-marital sex, others aren't. They both can't be right. There is no grey here. I'm not picking on you. I think you're one of the most reasonable god believing blokes here but it's an observable fact that you, Enzo and lowercase js have wildly different ideas based on, let's be honest, what you (or what you've been told) to think are christian tenets. And you can't all be right. Why cant we all be right?... Belief (whether that is in principles, morals or religion) is an individual choice mate... Weve had this convo many many time before. You cant tell me what I do and dont believe (based on your perception of me) any more than I can tell you.... Saying "you blokes" is a little offensive to be honest. Im happy for others to be atheist or agnostic or believe in Mediclorians or whatever... to each their own. Its easy to "research" the dogma and tenants of say Greek Orthodoxy or Roman Catholcism or whatever tub thumping hillbilly shit johnsmith is and form an opinion on what you perceive it to be about but the Church is a living thing mate (or at least it is supposed to be). It may not change to reflect society as rapidly as you or I would want it to but the official message on things like birth control, premarital sex, sin, etc etc is rapidly different to what it was 50 years ago let alone 100 or 200.... And it is ALL vastly different. Lets take your example about pre-marital sex above, is fornication a cardinal sin like the Catholics think or a matter of weakness of the flesh like some eastern churches think.. In fact is betrothal the act of selecting a mate or is it the official act of sanctifying the marriage through the sacrament of marriage (something not all Christian faith have anyway btw)? Going back through the thread, I dont want to give the impression that I am some sort of religious person, I really am not... I appreciate the place belief in god has in the lives of people and see it as an emotional comfort. It doesn't interfere with the "real world" as you and others so dismissively say about the "imaginary fairy" etc etc...
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