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+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. Well the idiots are taking horse dewormer though.
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+x+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. Well the idiots are taking horse dewormer though. Some are. But the media are then pushing the false narrative that these people are clogging up the hospital system. The goal is to get as many people vaccinated and I think talking down to those people isn't going to convince them and will just drive a harder wedge.
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Revealed: How scientists who dismissed Wuhan lab theory are linked to Chinese researchersCover-up alleged over Lancet letter that effectively shut down scientific debate into whether coronavirus was manipulated or leaked from lab All but one scientist who penned a letter in The Lancet dismissing the possibility that coronavirus could have come from a lab in Wuhan were linked to its Chinese researchers, their colleagues or funders, a Telegraph investigation can reveal.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/10/revealed-scientists-dismissed-wuhan-lab-theory-linked-chinese/
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What are you driving at here with the link to Gates?
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+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. This Oxford one isn't the first and only trial of it. There has been dozens of them and they show it doesn't work. https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&age_v=&gndr=&type=&rslt=&Search=ApplyThe horse dewormer stuff has come because nut jobs are buying product intended for horses because they were struggling to get the product intended for human consumption.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. Well the idiots are taking horse dewormer though. Some are. But the media are then pushing the false narrative that these people are clogging up the hospital system. The goal is to get as many people vaccinated and I think talking down to those people isn't going to convince them and will just drive a harder wedge. How? When people are litterally buying horse dewormer instead if the human one
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. Well the idiots are taking horse dewormer though. Some are. But the media are then pushing the false narrative that these people are clogging up the hospital system. The goal is to get as many people vaccinated and I think talking down to those people isn't going to convince them and will just drive a harder wedge. How? When people are litterally buying horse dewormer instead if the human one Yeah but there was a clown on TV in the US saying a hospital was swamped with people taking horse dewormer and he was lying through his teeth. The media that parrots these claims without fact checking are a joke.
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+x+x- Was listening to Triple J this morning in the car and Dr. Karl was on. He said (and I am paraphrasing here) it's likely the whole world's population will need to be vaccinated every 6 months for the next 50 years or so. If this is the generally accepted consensus, the amount of money to be made and power up for grabs is mind-boggling. Anybody who develops a vaccine or shares information that threatened to derail that gravy train would be in great danger. - The NSW government announcement on vaccine passports (and that's exactly what they are, no matter how they try to couch it in euphemisms) is completely the wrong move. They're effectively setting up a two-tier society and the fact is that there are going to be plenty of people who aren't fully vaccinated or even halfway there in a months' time. I also heard that vaccination rates in NSW are beginning to slow down- and is it any wonder when the government comes out and tries to manipulate the population into doing what they want while holding their basic freedoms hostage? Why should the vaccine hesitant or the skeptics not expect us to reach that 'magic' 70% number only for government to turn around and say "Actually we need it to be 80%/ 90% now to go back to normal?" By taking this hard-line approach, they're only making it more difficult to achieve their goal. If you have Astrazeneca Dr Swan was saying you won't need a booster or if you do it'll be yearly if not longer. Serious question. What's your solution? Let everyone become naturally immune? My solution is one that (unfortunately) can only work in theory, because human nature being what it is, too prone to corruption and cronyism. I'd like to see the development of treatment/ treatments that stop the person from getting COVID outright, and these are rolled out entirely based on how effective and safe they are. I want that to be the #1 criteria with a bullet for what treatment is issued, rather than what solution is going to make a handful of pharmaceutical giants richer, aided by a compliant media with financial ties to those companies.
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+x+x+x+x+xCrazy to think they're about to enter the worst period since pandemic began and she's not fronting the media anymore and putting up a video on NSW health site. This would be understandable if there was no cases, not when your reckless decisions have resulted in this. Where is the leadership? It really looks like a rat scurrying from the ship. Nobody even answering questions now.... Say or believe what you want about "chairman Dan" or "Mao Tse Dan" or "Adolf Andrews" or whatever the haters want to call the guy but at least he has had the cojones to front up to the media EVERY SINGLE DAY apart from when he was injured..... I dont agree with alot of what has transpired, or even the reasoning behind why it has but leadership, at least to me, means stepping up and being accountable for your actions... something the Libs don't seem to have a good grasp on in this country. And without a hint of shame News.com broke their necks to get this up:  Gladys, rightfully so, wants to move away from the hysteria of daily numbers. The situation in NSW isnt going to change. For those who want numbers there will be a daily video giving them. The biggest health crisis in a century about to get worse, with things changing almost daily, and public info absolutely critical, and the government has nobody to answer questions and be accountable? Also how does this look as a leader? Not to mention the absolute basics of information only being available on a video on NSW health website. Do you know how harder that is going to be to get critical messaging to the masses? Are news networks supposed to play that video? Going out on a limb here I think this isn't as bad as people are trying to make out. Covid is here, they can't stop it, hurry up and get vaccinated and we can get on with it. My mate sent me something about Singapore and how they're having a resurgence in cases as an up yours to me who's saying let's open up. To me it just shows that if Singapore can't make it work and contain then we definitely can't so let's get everyone who wants to and can be vaccinated and open 'er up.Fucks sake. Let's also see more discussion about getting other vaccines available to the Australian public if (based on available data) they appear safer and also more effective at immunising people against COVID.
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
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Pharmaceutical companies make more money out of treating sick people not immunising them so the 'make a fortune' aspect of vaccines is flawed. Yes there may be boosters required for Covid but dozens of other vaccines for all sorts of diseases are one off and you're done for life. If it was this GIANT conspiracy to keep people sick then pharma companies wouldn't develop vaccines at all. (Or if they did they'd develop very ineffective ones. Not 95% or so efficacy.) Do wonder if people think Russia is on the payroll of 'big pharma' too.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCrazy to think they're about to enter the worst period since pandemic began and she's not fronting the media anymore and putting up a video on NSW health site. This would be understandable if there was no cases, not when your reckless decisions have resulted in this. Where is the leadership? It really looks like a rat scurrying from the ship. Nobody even answering questions now.... Say or believe what you want about "chairman Dan" or "Mao Tse Dan" or "Adolf Andrews" or whatever the haters want to call the guy but at least he has had the cojones to front up to the media EVERY SINGLE DAY apart from when he was injured..... I dont agree with alot of what has transpired, or even the reasoning behind why it has but leadership, at least to me, means stepping up and being accountable for your actions... something the Libs don't seem to have a good grasp on in this country. And without a hint of shame News.com broke their necks to get this up:  Gladys, rightfully so, wants to move away from the hysteria of daily numbers. The situation in NSW isnt going to change. For those who want numbers there will be a daily video giving them. The biggest health crisis in a century about to get worse, with things changing almost daily, and public info absolutely critical, and the government has nobody to answer questions and be accountable? Also how does this look as a leader? Not to mention the absolute basics of information only being available on a video on NSW health website. Do you know how harder that is going to be to get critical messaging to the masses? Are news networks supposed to play that video? Going out on a limb here I think this isn't as bad as people are trying to make out. Covid is here, they can't stop it, hurry up and get vaccinated and we can get on with it. My mate sent me something about Singapore and how they're having a resurgence in cases as an up yours to me who's saying let's open up. To me it just shows that if Singapore can't make it work and contain then we definitely can't so let's get everyone who wants to and can be vaccinated and open 'er up.Fucks sake. Let's also see more discussion about getting other vaccines available to the Australian public if (based on available data) they appear safer and also more effective at immunising people against COVID. Such as?
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+x+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. This Oxford one isn't the first and only trial of it. There has been dozens of them and they show it doesn't work. https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&age_v=&gndr=&type=&rslt=&Search=ApplyThe horse dewormer stuff has come because nut jobs are buying product intended for horses because they were struggling to get the product intended for human consumption. And fair enough that everyone tells them to stop and speak with your doctor. Self prescribing for something like this is never a good idea.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. Well the idiots are taking horse dewormer though. Some are. But the media are then pushing the false narrative that these people are clogging up the hospital system. The goal is to get as many people vaccinated and I think talking down to those people isn't going to convince them and will just drive a harder wedge. How? When people are litterally buying horse dewormer instead if the human one Doctors in the US have prescribed the human one to people as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xanother reliabke souce , who it passes the Aussie self censors https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/23/ivermectinwidely-used-to-treat-covid-19-despite-being-unprovenis-being-studied-in-the-uk-as-a-potential-treatment/?sh=7890b8fd6b30OPLINE The University of Oxford announced Wednesday it is investigating antiparasitic drug ivermectin as a possible treatment for Covid-19, a trial that could finally resolve questions over the controversial medicine which has been widely promoted around the world despite warnings from regulators and a lack of data supporting its use. Ivermectin will be assessed as part of the U.K. government-backed Principle study, which assesses non-hospital treatments against Covid-19 and is a large-scale randomized control trial widely considered the “gold standard” in evaluating a medicine’s effectiveness. While studies have shown ivermectin to inhibit virus replication in a lab, studies in people have been more limited and have not conclusively demonstrated the drug’s effectiveness or safety for the purpose of treating Covid-19. The ivermectin issue is interesting. I made a joke about it earlier being called "horse dewormer" but it actually has general medical use for human consumption. I think it is mainly for treating parasitic infestations but has limited effectiveness against coronaviruses. This is why it is worth further investigation. Inveermectin is used in humans yes. But people are using the animal version which has side effects as the doses wildy differ. Hence why you go see your gp for it and don't use it for covid Yup. People should be talking to their GP. It's just interesting that MSNBC etc have quickly labelled it horse dewormer and demonised it all. It just reinforces this idea of conspiracy. Isn't it better to simply say: this is a drug used for other purposes. There are ongoing clinical trial and the best option now is to get vaccinated. There are also other known treatment options if you do get COVID. Well the idiots are taking horse dewormer though. Some are. But the media are then pushing the false narrative that these people are clogging up the hospital system. The goal is to get as many people vaccinated and I think talking down to those people isn't going to convince them and will just drive a harder wedge. How? When people are litterally buying horse dewormer instead if the human one Yeah but there was a clown on TV in the US saying a hospital was swamped with people taking horse dewormer and he was lying through his teeth. The media that parrots these claims without fact checking are a joke. Yup. MSNBC ran with a claim that gunshot victims were being pushed out of hospitals etc etc. This type of stuff doesn't help promoting vaccines.
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+x+x+x- Was listening to Triple J this morning in the car and Dr. Karl was on. He said (and I am paraphrasing here) it's likely the whole world's population will need to be vaccinated every 6 months for the next 50 years or so. If this is the generally accepted consensus, the amount of money to be made and power up for grabs is mind-boggling. Anybody who develops a vaccine or shares information that threatened to derail that gravy train would be in great danger. - The NSW government announcement on vaccine passports (and that's exactly what they are, no matter how they try to couch it in euphemisms) is completely the wrong move. They're effectively setting up a two-tier society and the fact is that there are going to be plenty of people who aren't fully vaccinated or even halfway there in a months' time. I also heard that vaccination rates in NSW are beginning to slow down- and is it any wonder when the government comes out and tries to manipulate the population into doing what they want while holding their basic freedoms hostage? Why should the vaccine hesitant or the skeptics not expect us to reach that 'magic' 70% number only for government to turn around and say "Actually we need it to be 80%/ 90% now to go back to normal?" By taking this hard-line approach, they're only making it more difficult to achieve their goal. If you have Astrazeneca Dr Swan was saying you won't need a booster or if you do it'll be yearly if not longer. Serious question. What's your solution? Let everyone become naturally immune? My solution is one that (unfortunately) can only work in theory, because human nature being what it is, too prone to corruption and cronyism. I'd like to see the development of treatment/ treatments that stop the person from getting COVID outright, and these are rolled out entirely based on how effective and safe they are. I want that to be the #1 criteria with a bullet for what treatment is issued, rather than what solution is going to make a handful of pharmaceutical giants richer, aided by a compliant media with financial ties to those companies. I don't think that can work. There isn't any treatment that is 100% effective to stop someone from getting COVID outright. Also, too many variables with people in different conditions etc. Even if you ignore the vested interests.
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+xPharmaceutical companies make more money out of treating sick people not immunising them so the 'make a fortune' aspect of vaccines is flawed. Yes there may be boosters required for Covid but dozens of other vaccines for all sorts of diseases are one off and you're done for life. If it was this GIANT conspiracy to keep people sick then pharma companies wouldn't develop vaccines at all. (Or if they did they'd develop very ineffective ones. Not 95% or so efficacy.) Do wonder if people think Russia is on the payroll of 'big pharma' too. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/06/from-pfizer-to-moderna-whos-making-billions-from-covid-vaccinesPfizer and Moderna are making a killing. AZ is apparently selling at cost.
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+x+x+x- Was listening to Triple J this morning in the car and Dr. Karl was on. He said (and I am paraphrasing here) it's likely the whole world's population will need to be vaccinated every 6 months for the next 50 years or so. If this is the generally accepted consensus, the amount of money to be made and power up for grabs is mind-boggling. Anybody who develops a vaccine or shares information that threatened to derail that gravy train would be in great danger. - The NSW government announcement on vaccine passports (and that's exactly what they are, no matter how they try to couch it in euphemisms) is completely the wrong move. They're effectively setting up a two-tier society and the fact is that there are going to be plenty of people who aren't fully vaccinated or even halfway there in a months' time. I also heard that vaccination rates in NSW are beginning to slow down- and is it any wonder when the government comes out and tries to manipulate the population into doing what they want while holding their basic freedoms hostage? Why should the vaccine hesitant or the skeptics not expect us to reach that 'magic' 70% number only for government to turn around and say "Actually we need it to be 80%/ 90% now to go back to normal?" By taking this hard-line approach, they're only making it more difficult to achieve their goal. If you have Astrazeneca Dr Swan was saying you won't need a booster or if you do it'll be yearly if not longer. Serious question. What's your solution? Let everyone become naturally immune? I'd like to see the development of treatment/ treatments that stop the person from getting COVID outright, Like a vaccine? If everyone took it up we probably could get close to this position, like we have with a huge amount of viruses and diseases through modern history. It's going to be hard/impossible to stop it entirely, for example we still have the bubonic plague.
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+x+x+x+x- Was listening to Triple J this morning in the car and Dr. Karl was on. He said (and I am paraphrasing here) it's likely the whole world's population will need to be vaccinated every 6 months for the next 50 years or so. If this is the generally accepted consensus, the amount of money to be made and power up for grabs is mind-boggling. Anybody who develops a vaccine or shares information that threatened to derail that gravy train would be in great danger. - The NSW government announcement on vaccine passports (and that's exactly what they are, no matter how they try to couch it in euphemisms) is completely the wrong move. They're effectively setting up a two-tier society and the fact is that there are going to be plenty of people who aren't fully vaccinated or even halfway there in a months' time. I also heard that vaccination rates in NSW are beginning to slow down- and is it any wonder when the government comes out and tries to manipulate the population into doing what they want while holding their basic freedoms hostage? Why should the vaccine hesitant or the skeptics not expect us to reach that 'magic' 70% number only for government to turn around and say "Actually we need it to be 80%/ 90% now to go back to normal?" By taking this hard-line approach, they're only making it more difficult to achieve their goal. If you have Astrazeneca Dr Swan was saying you won't need a booster or if you do it'll be yearly if not longer. Serious question. What's your solution? Let everyone become naturally immune? I'd like to see the development of treatment/ treatments that stop the person from getting COVID outright, Like a vaccine? If everyone took it up we probably could get close to this position, like we have with a huge amount of viruses and diseases through modern history. It's going to be hard/impossible to stop it entirely, for example we still have the bubonic plague. At some point there will be over the counter tablets for managing symptoms (by the time they appear its already late) and I think the UK are in the process of developing a nasal spray that stops COVID from entering the nose I think in 6-12 months vaccines will simply be one option to managing COVID. For everybody under the age of 60 this is just another flu, for everybody over 60 its just one of many things you need to be aware of as you reach that part of life Australia seems comfortable with being hysterical over this but hopefully something breaks. There is a 3 or 4 year forecast on this virus and even that is optimistic
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Went and got my 1st dose of pfizer today, whole process took less than 20 minutes. Very efficient. Was a little tired this arvo but so good now.
Dead set over all this shit at the moment and just want to move on. Would've had my shot in March had it been available to me.
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UK has dropped covid vaccine passports Plans for Covid vaccine passports in England ditched, Javid confirms
Health secretary signals government U-turn ahead of announcement on Tuesday Plans to make vaccine passports mandatory across England in nightclubs and other crowded spaces later this month have been dropped, the health secretary has announced. In a major climbdown by the government, Sajid Javid said he “never liked the idea” but that it was “right to properly look at it, to look at the evidence”. Ahead of an announcement on Tuesday on how ministers plan to tackle Covid and the pressure on the NHS this winter, he signalled a U-turn on vaccine passports. Javid told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “What I can say is that we’ve looked at it properly, and while we should keep it in reserve as a potential option, I’m pleased to say we will not be going ahead with plans for vaccine passports.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/12/plans-for-vaccine-passports-in-england-ditched-javid-confirms
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+xUK has dropped covid vaccine passports Plans for Covid vaccine passports in England ditched, Javid confirms
Health secretary signals government U-turn ahead of announcement on Tuesday Plans to make vaccine passports mandatory across England in nightclubs and other crowded spaces later this month have been dropped, the health secretary has announced. In a major climbdown by the government, Sajid Javid said he “never liked the idea” but that it was “right to properly look at it, to look at the evidence”. Ahead of an announcement on Tuesday on how ministers plan to tackle Covid and the pressure on the NHS this winter, he signalled a U-turn on vaccine passports. Javid told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “What I can say is that we’ve looked at it properly, and while we should keep it in reserve as a potential option, I’m pleased to say we will not be going ahead with plans for vaccine passports.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/12/plans-for-vaccine-passports-in-england-ditched-javid-confirms Lol watch Scotty and Gladys update their policy in the coming weeks But reading that, it appears to say ‘crowded places’ like nightclubs etc. Airlines and workplaces etc may still require them it appears.
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+x+x+x+x+x- Was listening to Triple J this morning in the car and Dr. Karl was on. He said (and I am paraphrasing here) it's likely the whole world's population will need to be vaccinated every 6 months for the next 50 years or so. If this is the generally accepted consensus, the amount of money to be made and power up for grabs is mind-boggling. Anybody who develops a vaccine or shares information that threatened to derail that gravy train would be in great danger. - The NSW government announcement on vaccine passports (and that's exactly what they are, no matter how they try to couch it in euphemisms) is completely the wrong move. They're effectively setting up a two-tier society and the fact is that there are going to be plenty of people who aren't fully vaccinated or even halfway there in a months' time. I also heard that vaccination rates in NSW are beginning to slow down- and is it any wonder when the government comes out and tries to manipulate the population into doing what they want while holding their basic freedoms hostage? Why should the vaccine hesitant or the skeptics not expect us to reach that 'magic' 70% number only for government to turn around and say "Actually we need it to be 80%/ 90% now to go back to normal?" By taking this hard-line approach, they're only making it more difficult to achieve their goal. If you have Astrazeneca Dr Swan was saying you won't need a booster or if you do it'll be yearly if not longer. Serious question. What's your solution? Let everyone become naturally immune? I'd like to see the development of treatment/ treatments that stop the person from getting COVID outright, Like a vaccine? If everyone took it up we probably could get close to this position, like we have with a huge amount of viruses and diseases through modern history. It's going to be hard/impossible to stop it entirely, for example we still have the bubonic plague. At some point there will be over the counter tablets for managing symptoms (by the time they appear its already late) and I think the UK are in the process of developing a nasal spray that stops COVID from entering the nose I think in 6-12 months vaccines will simply be one option to managing COVID. For everybody under the age of 60 this is just another flu, for everybody over 60 its just one of many things you need to be aware of as you reach that part of life Australia seems comfortable with being hysterical over this but hopefully something breaks. There is a 3 or 4 year forecast on this virus and even that is optimistic Well let’s hope it does. But until we get to that point it is a pretty serious illness.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCrazy to think they're about to enter the worst period since pandemic began and she's not fronting the media anymore and putting up a video on NSW health site. This would be understandable if there was no cases, not when your reckless decisions have resulted in this. Where is the leadership? It really looks like a rat scurrying from the ship. Nobody even answering questions now.... Say or believe what you want about "chairman Dan" or "Mao Tse Dan" or "Adolf Andrews" or whatever the haters want to call the guy but at least he has had the cojones to front up to the media EVERY SINGLE DAY apart from when he was injured..... I dont agree with alot of what has transpired, or even the reasoning behind why it has but leadership, at least to me, means stepping up and being accountable for your actions... something the Libs don't seem to have a good grasp on in this country. And without a hint of shame News.com broke their necks to get this up:  Gladys, rightfully so, wants to move away from the hysteria of daily numbers. The situation in NSW isnt going to change. For those who want numbers there will be a daily video giving them. The biggest health crisis in a century about to get worse, with things changing almost daily, and public info absolutely critical, and the government has nobody to answer questions and be accountable? Also how does this look as a leader? Not to mention the absolute basics of information only being available on a video on NSW health website. Do you know how harder that is going to be to get critical messaging to the masses? Are news networks supposed to play that video? Going out on a limb here I think this isn't as bad as people are trying to make out. Covid is here, they can't stop it, hurry up and get vaccinated and we can get on with it. My mate sent me something about Singapore and how they're having a resurgence in cases as an up yours to me who's saying let's open up. To me it just shows that if Singapore can't make it work and contain then we definitely can't so let's get everyone who wants to and can be vaccinated and open 'er up.Fucks sake. Let's also see more discussion about getting other vaccines available to the Australian public if (based on available data) they appear safer and also more effective at immunising people against COVID. Which vaccines are you referring to?
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+x+x+x+x- Was listening to Triple J this morning in the car and Dr. Karl was on. He said (and I am paraphrasing here) it's likely the whole world's population will need to be vaccinated every 6 months for the next 50 years or so. If this is the generally accepted consensus, the amount of money to be made and power up for grabs is mind-boggling. Anybody who develops a vaccine or shares information that threatened to derail that gravy train would be in great danger. - The NSW government announcement on vaccine passports (and that's exactly what they are, no matter how they try to couch it in euphemisms) is completely the wrong move. They're effectively setting up a two-tier society and the fact is that there are going to be plenty of people who aren't fully vaccinated or even halfway there in a months' time. I also heard that vaccination rates in NSW are beginning to slow down- and is it any wonder when the government comes out and tries to manipulate the population into doing what they want while holding their basic freedoms hostage? Why should the vaccine hesitant or the skeptics not expect us to reach that 'magic' 70% number only for government to turn around and say "Actually we need it to be 80%/ 90% now to go back to normal?" By taking this hard-line approach, they're only making it more difficult to achieve their goal. If you have Astrazeneca Dr Swan was saying you won't need a booster or if you do it'll be yearly if not longer. Serious question. What's your solution? Let everyone become naturally immune? I'd like to see the development of treatment/ treatments that stop the person from getting COVID outright, Like a vaccine? Lol.
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Out of lockdown here. Went out on the piss yesterday arvo at the pub. Fantastic. Feel sorry for all my lockdown brothers and sisters in NSW and Vic still.
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I think this article sums it up nicely https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/singapore-has-80-per-cent-vaccination-but-life-is-not-normal/100450154Singapore has 80% vaxx but the number of infections hasnt stopped rising, so people are panicking and calling it a failure, and they have restrictions in place. Australia has the same model But buried within the text of the article is 35 seriously ill and 7 people in ICU despite 2000 cases a day Countries looking to avoid infections are destined for failure, lockdown and restrictions for 3 or 4 years. Vaccinations wont stop infection numbers and neither will masks. Countries looking to minimise critical hospitalisations and deaths will open up and get on with things Everybody knew vaccinations wont stop number of infections so for that to still be the leading stat doesnt bode well
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+xOut of lockdown here. Went out on the piss yesterday arvo at the pub. Fantastic. Feel sorry for all my lockdown brothers and sisters in NSW and Vic still. enjoy ya bastard :) We've got the excitement of being able to meet 5 people in a park from today as long as your double vaxxed :) Be good to see the oldies more than anything else for starters. Better than nothing I guess its a start.
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+xI think this article sums it up nicely https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/singapore-has-80-per-cent-vaccination-but-life-is-not-normal/100450154Singapore has 80% vaxx but the number of infections hasnt stopped rising, so people are panicking and calling it a failure, and they have restrictions in place. Australia has the same model But buried within the text of the article is 35 seriously ill and 7 people in ICU despite 2000 cases a day Countries looking to avoid infections are destined for failure, lockdown and restrictions for 3 or 4 years. Vaccinations wont stop infection numbers and neither will masks. Countries looking to minimise critical hospitalisations and deaths will open up and get on with things Everybody knew vaccinations wont stop number of infections so for that to still be the leading stat doesnt bode well Yeah that article is a joke. Instead of talking about what a success it has been they've skewed it to make it look like a negative. One of the most densely populated countries in the world has 7 people in ICU. I'd say that's a giant success. Mind you Palachook and McGowan would still be crapping on about Covid zero. I see QLD has a bit of an outbreak.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCrazy to think they're about to enter the worst period since pandemic began and she's not fronting the media anymore and putting up a video on NSW health site. This would be understandable if there was no cases, not when your reckless decisions have resulted in this. Where is the leadership? It really looks like a rat scurrying from the ship. Nobody even answering questions now.... Say or believe what you want about "chairman Dan" or "Mao Tse Dan" or "Adolf Andrews" or whatever the haters want to call the guy but at least he has had the cojones to front up to the media EVERY SINGLE DAY apart from when he was injured..... I dont agree with alot of what has transpired, or even the reasoning behind why it has but leadership, at least to me, means stepping up and being accountable for your actions... something the Libs don't seem to have a good grasp on in this country. And without a hint of shame News.com broke their necks to get this up:  Gladys, rightfully so, wants to move away from the hysteria of daily numbers. The situation in NSW isnt going to change. For those who want numbers there will be a daily video giving them. The biggest health crisis in a century about to get worse, with things changing almost daily, and public info absolutely critical, and the government has nobody to answer questions and be accountable? Also how does this look as a leader? Not to mention the absolute basics of information only being available on a video on NSW health website. Do you know how harder that is going to be to get critical messaging to the masses? Are news networks supposed to play that video? Going out on a limb here I think this isn't as bad as people are trying to make out. Covid is here, they can't stop it, hurry up and get vaccinated and we can get on with it. My mate sent me something about Singapore and how they're having a resurgence in cases as an up yours to me who's saying let's open up. To me it just shows that if Singapore can't make it work and contain then we definitely can't so let's get everyone who wants to and can be vaccinated and open 'er up.Fucks sake. Let's also see more discussion about getting other vaccines available to the Australian public if (based on available data) they appear safer and also more effective at immunising people against COVID. Such as? The Sputnik vaccine developed in Russia or the vaccine being issued in China, for starters. I don't have it on 100% authority, but I gather that the team who developed the Sputnik vaccine tested it first on animals and then jabbed themselves with it before making it public. If that isn't a sign of confidence in what they are rolling out I don't know what is? Obviously we have to take much of what comes out of China with a certain degree of skepticism, but from what we can see, the vaccine they are issuing appears to be more effective than the ones available to us here, to the point it stops the patient from spreading the virus altogether.
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The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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