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+x+x+x"Get on the beers" trending on twitter. We did it lads. I wouldn't put it past my local to actually open at 11:59pm tomorrow lol Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the state anthem of Victoria.  -PB
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+x+x"Get on the beers" trending on twitter. We did it lads. I wouldn't put it past my local to actually open at 11:59pm tomorrow lol Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the state anthem of Victoria.
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+x"Get on the beers" trending on twitter. We did it lads. I wouldn't put it past my local to actually open at 11:59pm tomorrow lol We booked in for parmies and pots lunchtime wednesday..... the boss is gonna be soooooo pissed off if we make it back to work...,
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+x"Get on the beers" trending on twitter. We did it lads. I wouldn't put it past my local to actually open at 11:59pm tomorrow lol
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+xYeah who the fuck are these reporters asking shit questions? -PB They all work for murdoch. They go full mental when credlin is there. Also for someone who stated she'll be at every presser dan does she was there for half of them as she doesn't work weekends
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"Get on the beers" trending on twitter. We did it lads.
I wouldn't put it past my local to actually open at 11:59pm tomorrow lol
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Yeah who the fuck are these reporters asking shit questions? -PB
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Melbourne re-opens tomorrow night. Well done all, here's hoping you can begin to recover now. -PB
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He had some interesting pieces on the HK protests.
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sounds like a rotten POS, one covid should get its hands on. Like I said, never heard or know anything about him but what's been posted here. I just copied a link that was sent re the Dan skit as said was done well.
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+xAhhhh Avi Yameni the wife beater. Well that's the least surprised I've ever been to learn of someone being a wife beater. Just read some of the articles about his case. What a despicable man.
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i have no care or know of that guy mentioned but for the Dan skit itself is pretty well done.
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+xAhhhh Avi Yameni the wife beater. Sadly a lot of people like him and ignore that fact
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Ahhhh Avi Yameni the wife beater.
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Interesting article. Apparently, doctors and clinicians in Sweden who've spoken out against the official line (from the Public Health Agency) have faced a lot of condemnation (professionally and from the public). Here are excerpts from an article written by Gretchen Vogen. The article appeared in Science magazine on 6 October, 2020. ‘It’s been so, so surreal.’ Critics of Sweden’s lax pandemic policies face fierce backlash... Sweden adopted strikingly different policies from those of other European countries, out of a desire to avoid disrupting daily life—and perhaps the hope that, by paying an immediate price in illness, the country could achieve “herd immunity” and put the pandemic behind it. Swedish authorities actively discouraged people from wearing face masks, which they said would spread panic, are often worn the wrong way, and can provide a false sense of safety. Some doctors who insisted on wearing a mask at work have been reprimanded or even fired.
Until last month, Sweden’s official policy stated people without obvious symptoms are very unlikely to spread the virus. So instead of being quarantined or asked to stay home, family members, colleagues, and classmates of confirmed cases had to attend school and show up for work, unless they had symptoms themselves. Testing in Sweden still lags behind many other countries, and in many districts infected people are expected to notify their own contacts—in contrast to, say, Germany and Norway, where small armies of contact tracers help track down people who may have been exposed. [A group of scientists and doctors in Sweden who disagree with Sweden's handling of the pandemic]...says the price for Sweden’s laissez-faire approach has been too high. The country’s cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response. And the virus took a shocking toll on the most vulnerable. It had free rein in nursing homes, where nearly 1000 people died in a matter of weeks. Stockholm’s nursing homes ended up losing 7% of their 14,000 residents to the virus. The vast majority were not taken to hospitals. Although infections waned over the summer, scientists worry a new wave will hit in the fall. Cases are rising rapidly in the greater Stockholm area, where almost one-quarter of the Swedish population lives. The group’s criticism has not been welcomed—indeed, some of the critics say they have been pilloried or reprimanded. “It has been so, so surreal,” says Nele Brusselaers, a member of the Vetenskapsforum and a clinical epidemiologist at the prestigious Karolinska Institute (KI). It is strange, she says, to face backlash “even though we are saying just what researchers internationally are saying. It’s like it’s a different universe.” Soon, infections surged. By late March, more than 30 COVID-19 patients were being admitted to ICUs every day. By early April, Sweden was recording about 90 deaths from the virus daily—a significant undercount, critics say, because many died without getting tested. Hospitals did not become as overwhelmed as those in northern Italy or New York City, but that was in part because many severely ill patients weren’t hospitalized. A 17 March directive to Stockholm area hospitals stated patients older than 80 or with a body mass index above 40 should not be admitted to intensive care, because they were less likely to recover. Most nursing homes were not equipped to administer oxygen, so many residents instead received morphine to alleviate their suffering. Newspaper reports told stories of people who died after being turned away from emergency rooms because they were deemed too young to suffer serious COVID-19 complications. Sweden’s light approach is more sustainable than the harsher methods used in other countries, [Anders] Tegnell also argues. He regrets the death toll in nursing homes, he told Science, and says Sweden should have made it easier financially for caregivers to stay home. “It was a very bad situation for a month,” he says, “but after that it changed completely.” Once strong restrictions were in place, transmission in nursing homes “became lower than in the community.” Tegnell has also said he suspects the number of infections and deaths in other countries will eventually match Sweden’s. [Lara] Einhorn finds this absurd: “If Norway ever catches up to Sweden in the proportion of people killed by COVID-19,” she says, “I’ll eat my hat.” https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlashStaggering that scientists and doctors can be denounced, and even lose their jobs, simply for saying what the majority of other experts elsewhere in the world are saying.
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Apparently more people have tested positive to Covid-19 from Trump's campaign in the last 24hrs... than in all of Australia and New Zealand combined.
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Ivermectin Could Turn COVID-19 Around. We Need To Find Out If It WorksExcerpts from an article appearing in Trial Site News on 1 October, 2020. It was written by Mary Beth Pfeiffer. https://www.trialsitenews.com/ivermectin-could-turn-covid-19-around-we-need-to-find-out-if-it-works/In fairness to Ms. Pfeiffer, please click on the link if you read more than one paragraph so she gets the credit. I've posted more excerpts than I ought to have done.. But I know that it's only to be expected that people won't bother clicking on links, so this was the only effective way to relate the all-important specifics of her article. - In the Australian experiment, first reported in April, ivermectin prompted a 5,000-fold reduction in COVID-19 viruses in a petri dish, essentially killing all particles.
- One Bangladesh study found that 100 ivermectin-treated patients “tested negative and their symptoms improved within 72 hours.” Another retrospective review of 248 patients there, found that 115 who received ivermectin were far less likely to need oxygen or intensive care, or to die from COVID-19.
- In the Dominican Republic, a large medical system treated 1,300 COVID patients with ivermectin and azithromycin, and declared 99 percent cured.
- In Egypt, ivermectin played a “highly significant role” in protecting 203 family members of COVID patients; just 7 percent of treated people became infected with the virus compared to nearly 60 percent who were not treated.
For the "Australian experiment", credit to Dr. Kylie Wagstaff from Monash University for leading the lab study, not rushing to any hasty conclusions as to how it could work clinically but suggesting that more research was needed to find out if it also works safely in vivo (when human beings take it). More excerpts... Such findings have led Thomas Borody, an Australian doctor famous for a cure for stomach ulcers, to propose a COVID therapy of ivermectin, doxycycline and zinc. Borody argues that doxycycline enhances the efficacy of ivermectin. He thinks there's a synergetic effect in ivermectin, doxycycline and zinc which means that safe doses can be used to clear COVID in vivo. While the virus is multiplying in early infection, ivermectin is believed to inhibit a key receptor that opens the door for viral proteins to enter the nucleus of cells and replicate. Later on, the drug may inhibit the virus from adhering to CD147 receptors on red blood cells and forming clumps, the process that can lead to dangerous clots and stroke. That's why it might work.
Some, but not enough, U.S. doctors are quietly using ivermectin for COVID, often combining it with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc. “When someone’s sick, there’s more likely a synergy between these agents,” said Dr. Steven Phillips of Wilton, Ct. Some patients got better on antibiotics alone, Phillips said, while others told him ivermectin wasa “game changer.”
“Its major ‘disadvantage’ is its low cost and general availability,” Dr. Jose Natalio Redondo, a hospital executive in the Dominican Republic, told me. “There is no major revenue for those large pharmaceutical industries to invest in new research and production of this drug.”
Ironic that it being cheap can be a disadvantage. But it does make sense. Can we take it for granted that big pharmaceutical companies would really push expensive studies on a drug when they can't make any profit off that drug? On its website, the FDA states: “While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.” The agency warned against taking ivermectin formulations meant for animals – it is used to prevent heartworm in dogs, for example — noting more studies are needed to determine whether it works for COVID-19 in people. The question is: Will we get them? In the meantime, doctors still may use ivermectin off-label, a common practice in which drugs are prescribed for other-than approved ailments. This is important. There's a version of ivermectin which is safe for human use. And a version of ivermectin which is intended for animals. These two versions are not to be confused. There can be disastrous consequences when people take the version intended for animal use. Unfortunately, it's necessary for the FDA to remind people. And the mere fact that the FDA has made such a warning (and that people conflate the two versions of ivermectin) leads to extra scepticism about whether the version designed for human beings could treat SARS-CoV-2. We still don't know. There's lack of investigation. Meanwhile, one million people around the world have lost their lives. Staggering.
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+x+x+x+xOne million dead as of today. Yeah but how many of those were actually car accidents? 2,900 of the people that were killed on 9/11 already had obesity or the common cold or whatever, so really only 100 or so were killed purely by terrorism. How come we always hear about the people who died in 9/11 but not the thousands who died from Cancer or suicide on the same day? Typical media trying to scare to scare us when 9/11 had a 99.9997% survival rate. It was just a little crash. 6,612 people in the US died of other causes on September 11, 2001; the attacks didn't even make up a third of all deaths for the day. The US population had a 99.99900815% survival rate. Jet fuel can't melt bat soup.
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13 is pretty expected for a Wednesday considering where we're at, I'm confident for a few consecutive days of single digits around the weekend.
The 14 day average may drop even lower with reclassifications.
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+x+x+xOne million dead as of today. Yeah but how many of those were actually car accidents? 2,900 of the people that were killed on 9/11 already had obesity or the common cold or whatever, so really only 100 or so were killed purely by terrorism. How come we always hear about the people who died in 9/11 but not the thousands who died from Cancer or suicide on the same day? Typical media trying to scare to scare us when 9/11 had a 99.9997% survival rate. It was just a little crash.
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+x+xOne million dead as of today. Yeah but how many of those were actually car accidents? 2,900 of the people that were killed on 9/11 already had obesity or the common cold or whatever, so really only 100 or so were killed purely by terrorism.
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+x+xOne million dead as of today. Yeah but how many of those were actually car accidents? Or from suicide. Etc etc.
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+xOne million dead as of today. Yeah but how many of those were actually car accidents?
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#whatstheissuerachael. I swear some of the questions are bordering on ridiculous yesterdays one about the nt border restrictions was a doozy
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One million dead as of today.
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Classic Rachel.
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From New York, a study led by Mohammud M. Alam who specialises in infectious diseases. It looked at treating high-risk patients who had been diagnosed with COVID-19 with the antibiotic called doxycycline. It was administered soon after the onset of symptoms. Conclusion Early treatment with DOXY for high-risk patients with moderate to severe COVID-19 infections in non-hospital settings, such as LTCFs, is associated with early clinical recovery, decreased hospitalization, and decreased mortality. Unfortunately, this study has its limitations. There wasn't a set of patients taking a placebo. So you can't draw too many conclusions from it. I guess, one could argue that it's ethically questionable to give a placebo to high-risk patients. The theory is that this antibiotic, plus ivermectin plus zinc make a big difference and are perfectly safe to take. It wouldn't be a miracle cure, but it might well be decent. Any government could have a large double-blinded randomised control trial on it done within weeks. Then we'd have the gold standard of proof (for or against). Some people (but not everybody) has known this for months. And still no action. It strikes me as incredibly negligent that pharma/govt are reluctant to look into it. In Victoria, the DHHS could surely have got the wheels in motion. We've had more than enough cases. But no. Donald Trump had to try to get people's hopes up so he could improve his popularity rating. Contrary to expert advice, he decided to tell Americans that hydroxychloroquine was some kind of a miracle cure that would solve all of America's problems. Since then, the whole world (including many, but not all, doctors) have been extremely worried about any kind of false hope or slightly experimental treatment. This can go too far the other way.
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