Australia and New Zealand 2023 World Cup bid


Australia and New Zealand 2023 World Cup bid

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richv - 23 May 2020 7:49 AM
paladisious - 23 May 2020 6:03 AM

Dunedin has already hosted a group at the U20 football world cup back in 2015. So they must have the capacity to do it. 
I'm sure even U20 WC players and staff would demand a reasonable level of facilities.
Also alot of super rugby teams in the past, spend the lead up to Dunedin games based in Queeenstown. Plenty of hotels there.
Dunedin also hosted a bunch of games successfully at the 2011 Rugby world Cup. This included england with there big player and staffing contingent. 

Hopefully that will be enough to convince the voters at FIFA.
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paladisious - 24 May 2020 7:11 AM
richv - 23 May 2020 7:49 AM

Hopefully that will be enough to convince the voters at FIFA.

Otago events of size:

Otago Community Trust New Zealand Masters Games 2020 ...

www.eventfinda.co.nz › dunedin
The New Zealand Masters Games is the largest annual multi-sport event held in New Zealand. From the 1st to the 9th of February 2020 the Games will return to Dunedin for the 15th time. The Games brings together over 5,000 people from around New Zealand and overseas to compete in a range of sports.


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Anyone know if it’s announced over a live stream?

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Hope we get it so they can build another stadium in Brisbane.
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Melbcityguy - 3 Jun 2020 2:48 PM

Anyone know if it’s announced over a live stream?

Does anyone know an exact time for the announcement actually?
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lebo_roo - 3 Jun 2020 8:44 PM
Melbcityguy - 3 Jun 2020 2:48 PM

Does anyone know an exact time for the announcement actually?

This is what I've seen about it

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/fifa-confirms-it-will-select-2023-womens-world-cup-host-on/1daclqa03nfgv143q097zdd2m1#:~:text=FIFA%20has%20confirmed%20it%20will,cancelled%20amid%20the%20coronavirus%20pandemic.

https://thewomensgame.com/news/date-set-for-2023-womens-world-cup-host-selection-548185

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NicCarBel - 4 Jun 2020 4:49 PM
lebo_roo - 3 Jun 2020 8:44 PM

This is what I've seen about it

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/fifa-confirms-it-will-select-2023-womens-world-cup-host-on/1daclqa03nfgv143q097zdd2m1#:~:text=FIFA%20has%20confirmed%20it%20will,cancelled%20amid%20the%20coronavirus%20pandemic.

https://thewomensgame.com/news/date-set-for-2023-womens-world-cup-host-selection-548185

Thanks

and I just read on the world game JJ thinks we’re the favourite to host the World Cup
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Melbcityguy - 4 Jun 2020 5:25 PM
NicCarBel - 4 Jun 2020 4:49 PM

Thanks

and I just read on the world game JJ thinks we’re the favourite to host the World Cup

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Brazil pulled out.

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Still think Japan will get it.
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Burztur - 9 Jun 2020 10:04 AM
Still think Japan will get it.

Agreed. If FIFA is going to pick anything in our unappealing timezone, I'd say they'd go with them instead of our half arsed bid.

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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 10:10 AM
Burztur - 9 Jun 2020 10:04 AM

Agreed. If FIFA is going to pick anything in our unappealing timezone, I'd say they'd go with them instead of our half arsed bid.

Why is it ‘half arsed’?



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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM
melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 10:10 AM

Why is it ‘half arsed’?



Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM

Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

Ovals IMO shouldn't matter. a lot of mens' World Cup Finals have been held in stadiums that aren't exactly rectangular, or are rectangular in the sense that ANZ Stadium is rectangular. Since 1998 (First time the mens' world cup was held with 32 countries), I would really only count 2 as rectangular. Stade de France would then make it 3.
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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM

Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

Can you expand on your assertion that ‘Venues don’t meet FIFA standards’(do you mean all or some). Football is often played in oval shaped stadiums. I would venture to say that New Zealand would be a very popular place for overseas visitors to watch World Cup football.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 11:35 AM
melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM

Can you expand on your assertion that ‘Venues don’t meet FIFA standards’(do you mean all or some). Football is often played in oval shaped stadiums. I would venture to say that New Zealand would be a very popular place for overseas visitors to watch World Cup football.

Hindmarsh is too small and needs an overhaul to meet FIFA's other standards for things like Media and Corporate areas, we are basically relying on FIFA good will for that stadium to get approved. The hill and standing areas in Newcastle and Perth respectively will also not be allowed to be used unless FIFA has relaxed rules on stadiums being strictly all seaters since I last heard.

Oval Stadiums are not the same as athletics tracks. They are even further from the action on the sidelines and that is why Adelaide Oval is also not FIFA compliant.

NZ stadiums are either shitboxes, ovals, temporary stadiums or in glorified villages with little infrastructure to cope with a major event, they offer nothing substantial to the bid other than a couple of Oceania votes.

The fact is our main competitor in Japan is only putting forward one venue that is anything other than a rectangular stadium, they are all modern venues and all of the host cities are in major cities that are within 5 hours train connection of each other apart from Sapporo which is still the 5th biggest city in Japan.

Australia's bid has yet again been given the half arsed "yeah nah that's good enough" effort that the 2022 bid got back in 2010.

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Japan is having the Olympics and hosted the rugby World Cup. They also had the men’s World Cup in 2002. Give us a chance. The 2015 Asian cup Was very successful and doesn’t get enough recognition imo 
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Melbcityguy - 9 Jun 2020 12:48 PM
Japan is having the Olympics and hosted the rugby World Cup. They also had the men’s World Cup in 2002. Give us a chance. The 2015 Asian cup Was very successful and doesn’t get enough recognition imo 

Brazil has also pulled out
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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 12:26 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 11:35 AM

Hindmarsh is too small and needs an overhaul to meet FIFA's other standards for things like Media and Corporate areas, we are basically relying on FIFA good will for that stadium to get approved. The hill and standing areas in Newcastle and Perth respectively will also not be allowed to be used unless FIFA has relaxed rules on stadiums being strictly all seaters since I last heard.

Oval Stadiums are not the same as athletics tracks. They are even further from the action on the sidelines and that is why Adelaide is also not FIFA compliant.

NZ stadiums are either shitboxes, ovals, temporary stadiums or in glorified villages with little infrastructure to cope with a major event, they offer nothing substantial to the bid other than a couple of Oceania votes.

The fact is our main competitor in Japan is only putting forward one venue that is anything other than a rectangular stadium, they are all modern venues and all of the host cities are in major cities that are within 5 hours train connection of each other apart from Sapporo which is still the 5th biggest city in Japan.

Australia's bid has yet again been given the half arsed "yeah nah that's good enough" effort that the 2022 bid got back in 2010.

Hindmarsh is being upgraded if our bid is successful, temporary seating will be installed on what you refer to as a hill at HBF Park and the grass hills at McDonald Jones Stadium will either have temporary seating or be closed off (although it was deemed suitable for the AFC Cup).
Your anti New Zealand bias is showing judging by your descriptions of World Cup venues there. By the way, FIFA tournaments have been held in NZ in the past.
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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM

Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

Japan & Korea hosted a World Cup & the World Cup hosted in Brazil had venues that also took a very long time to get to from one part of the country to the other.   ;)   

It won't be an issue.  

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Melbcityguy - 9 Jun 2020 12:48 PM
Japan is having the Olympics and hosted the rugby World Cup. They also had the men’s World Cup in 2002. Give us a chance. The 2015 Asian cup Was very successful and doesn’t get enough recognition imo 

Unfortunately, things don’t work that way. If we want a shot, we need to have a better bid than Japan’s - which we don’t.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 1:41 PM
melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 12:26 PM

Hindmarsh is being upgraded if our bid is successful

That's news to me. Got a link?

Surely the compliant upgraded capacity would have been published in the bid book if that was the plan instead of the non compliant under 20k figure?
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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 3:41 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 1:41 PM

That's news to me. Got a link?

Surely the compliant upgraded capacity would have been published in the bid book if that was the plan instead of the non compliant under 20k figure?

There are numerous links, just google ‘Hindmarsh Stadium Women’s World Cup’.
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There will be some money spent, but only enough to get the attendance up to 18,435:

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/bid-book-australia-and-new-zealand.pdf?cloudid=fwtyuwa9pb3encyeqlwc

The minimum is 20,000:

https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/gfuxttuixv3s10jvidbn.pdf

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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:11 PM

Thank you for posting that information, so no upgrade but still a positive outcome.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 4:15 PM
paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:11 PM

Thank you for posting that information, so no upgrade but still a positive outcome.

They'll add 3,500 temporary seats if the bid gets up like they did for the 2000 Olympics, but that will only make a total of 18,435.

Unfortunately the minimum is 20,000, so I for one am very disappointed with the half-arsed effort and I fear that we haven't done enough to win hosting rights.
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Fifa will award the thing to Colombia, proving 2020 is the ultimate year of shitfuckery
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Requirements only matter if FIFA want them to matter. 
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rooboy91 - 9 Jun 2020 4:30 PM
Requirements only matter if FIFA want them to matter. 

Yep, maybe we can just put air conditioners under each seat
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NicCarBel - 9 Jun 2020 4:32 PM
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Yep, maybe we can just put air conditioners under each seat

It'd make watching the A-League in summer more bearable.
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