Australia and New Zealand 2023 World Cup bid


Australia and New Zealand 2023 World Cup bid

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Hope everyone is doing ok.


Less then a month until we find out if we’ll host the World Cup.

how big can this be for football in the country?
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Our bid sucks yet again. My money's on Brazil, the tournament has never been held in South America and it'll help justify all those stadiums built for 2014.




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melbourne_terrace - 8 May 2020 12:29 PM
Our bid sucks yet again. My money's on Brazil, the tournament has never been held in South America and it'll help justify all those stadiums built for 2014.



Not sure if you trying to be funny but 2014 springs to mind.
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patjennings - 8 May 2020 12:48 PM
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Not sure if you trying to be funny but 2014 springs to mind.

I think it's clear as day I'm not not talking about the mens tournament. 

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melbourne_terrace - 8 May 2020 12:29 PM
Our bid sucks yet again. My money's on Brazil, the tournament has never been held in South America and it'll help justify all those stadiums built for 2014.



Only chance for it to be in Oceania though.

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melbourne_terrace - 8 May 2020 12:29 PM
Our bid sucks yet again. My money's on Brazil, the tournament has never been held in South America and it'll help justify all those stadiums built for 2014.



You've seen it?

In a resort somewhere

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paulc - 8 May 2020 4:31 PM
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You've seen it?

Here's the bid book: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/bid-book-australia-and-new-zealand.pdf?cloudid=fwtyuwa9pb3encyeqlwc
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I have as high hopes as I can have for a bid that includes a cricket oval in Launceston and an under criteria capacity Hindmarsh.
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FIFA's bidding criteria: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/guide-to-the-bidding-process-for-the-fifa-women-s-world-cup-2023tm.pdf?cloudid=gfuxttuixv3s10jvidbn

The key part, as far as I'm concerned:


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If we exclude the two ovals (Launceston and Wellington), the under criteria Hindmarsh, the temporary stadium in Christchurch, the pile of dirt that used to be called the SFS as well as Dunedin and Hamilton (who are unlikely to meet the infrastructure criteria with 28 and 0 five star hotel rooms in each town respectively) we have *checks notes* six eligible venues in the bid.

If we add the two ovals back in we just scrape through the minimum criteria of 8 eligible venues, but getting a D instead of an F doesn't mean we're a better option than the competition.
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It's a pity, because I'd say that the following existing stadiums would make a pretty compelling ten 20k+ seat venue bid, with the possibility of SFS and a fix for Adelaide's stadium situation able to be added later, and not having to throw our lot in with the Kiwis:

North Queensland Stadium*
Lang Park (Suncorp)
Robina Stadium (Gold Coast)
Hunter Stadium
Stadium Australia
Western Sydney Stadium
Canberra Stadium
AAMI Park
Kardinia Park
Perth Oval (HBF Park)

*Assuming Townsville has the required hotel inventory, which I assume it does as a strong tourism region, ditto Gold Coast. Canberra surely would with all the government business and Geelong can be considered part of metro Melbourne.

I imagine our problem was being unable to lobby for sufficient support from state/territory governments, with Queensland and Victoria only putting up one venue each, SA not willing to provide a compliant submission with an upgrade/replacement for Hindmarsh, a golden opportunity missed for Tasmania to invest in a modest downgradable rectangular stadium gone begging, Canberra not participating at all, and the absolute shitstorm with stadia in NSW, which is a shame because you'd think they'd all want to be seen to be walking the talk with women's sport these days.

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We have done FIFA no favors 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/australia-bid-fifa-events-reform-150609060937741.html

and I’m sure they have long memories 
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scott20won - 9 May 2020 10:30 PM
We have done FIFA no favors 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/australia-bid-fifa-events-reform-150609060937741.html

and I’m sure they have long memories 

Two years and a change of governance for FFA 
May change things. But has FIFA not had a revamp since then

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Vote set for June 25th: https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/news/fifa-women-s-world-cup-2023tm-council-to-select-host-s-on-25-june-2020
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In the most competitive bidding process in the history of the FIFA Women’s World Cup™, four bids are in the race to host this showpiece competition:

  • Joint submission by Football Federation Australia and New Zealand Football
  • Submission by the Brazilian Football Association
  • Submission by the Colombian Football Association
  • Submission by the Japan Football Association
Word is main contenders.

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My money was on Brazil, but their idiot president's management of Coronavirus won't have helped, whereas us getting through relatively unscathed would count in our favour, however it also would for Japan, especially after potentially pulling off a successful Olympics. Hopefully by 2023 it won't be an issue, anyway.

Colombia absolutely do deserve to host a WC of some sort, fair to say it's the most football mad country that has never hosted, but it can't be justified at the moment with their very outdated stadia.
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Just for a moment  consider if we won... all the AFLers in panic over their WAFL... 

I still remember the story when Hal first started... a young mother with baby in pram was strolling by the Yarra ... it was a pleasant sunny afternoon, when all of a sudden a large Rottwelier broke free from their masters grip and charged towards the baby in the pram, it looked bad for the baby, the Rottwelier lunged at the baby the young  mother was screaming... out of the blue a young man in his late teens dives across and saves the baby and cheering by all those around at the courage and bravery of the young man.

By chance a Herald Sun reporter was there and came running over to get the story... in the struggle with the dog the Rottwelier had died.

The reporter says do you follow Carlton and we shall have ..heroic Carlton fan saves mother and baby... the boy replied I don't support Carlton... OK brave Richmond fan saves baby... I don't support Richmond..

OK says the reporter who do you support... Melbourne Victory...

Head Line next day '''''Soccer thug Kills family Pet""
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Out of those four choices, Aust/NZ looks like the safest spot in the universe.
Japan will have their hands full with the Olympics, but who knows, that might count in their favour.
At the moment, I'd have Aust/NZ clear favourites by a country mile.

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Japan probably a decent shot at it. 

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winning this bid would be the start of the return of football. 
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paladisious - 21 May 2020 3:29 PM
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Lol. Christchurch is pretty bad as well, their stadium is a temporary set up yet somehow it's going to host a world cup. NZ rugby refused to play a Lions Tour test match on the south Island and just had 2 at Eden Park.

Not to mention the infrastructure on the south Island is pretty atrocious as well, Christchurch is still sadly a basketcase 10 years after the earthquake and Dunedin might have a cool stadium but it is still a glorified village. I'm yet to learn how they are supposed to cope with their tiny airport and limited accommodation. 

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melbourne_terrace - 21 May 2020 4:53 PM
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Lol. Christchurch is pretty bad as well, their stadium is a temporary set up yet somehow it's going to host a world cup. NZ rugby refused to play a Lions Tour test match on the south Island and just had 2 at Eden Park.

Not to mention the infrastructure on the south Island is pretty atrocious as well, Christchurch is still sadly a basketcase 10 years after the earthquake and Dunedin might have a cool stadium but it is still a glorified village. I'm yet to learn how they are supposed to cope with their tiny airport and limited accommodation. 

According to our own bid book, there are only 601 hotel rooms in Dunedin. How's that going to work?
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paladisious - 21 May 2020 5:27 PM
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According to our own bid book, there are only 601 hotel rooms in Dunedin. How's that going to work?

Repurpose University dorms and build campervan parks is how they do temporary accommodation for events, Dunedin is famous or infamous for their university and student culture. I'm surprise the number of hotel rooms is that low though.

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paladisious - 21 May 2020 5:27 PM
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According to our own bid book, there are only 601 hotel rooms in Dunedin. How's that going to work?

From the bid book: Dunedin                                  
Existing and planned hotel rooms by 2023 
28       -  5 Star Rooms
496     - 4 Star Rooms
77      - 3 Star Rooms
2433 - Other Rooms
3,034 - Total 

From the bid book: Launceston                   
Existing and planned hotel rooms by 2023  
0           -  5 Star Rooms
1084     - 4 Star Rooms
832      - 3 Star Rooms
831 - Other Rooms
2,747 - Total 
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/bid-book-australia-and-new-zealand.pdf?cloudid=fwtyuwa9pb3encyeqlwc


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Blew.2 - 23 May 2020 5:16 AM
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From the bid book: Dunedin                                  
Existing and planned hotel rooms by 2023 
28       -  5 Star Rooms
496     - 4 Star Rooms
77      - 3 Star Rooms
2433 - Other Rooms
3,034 - Total 

From the bid book: Launceston                   
Existing and planned hotel rooms by 2023  
0           -  5 Star Rooms
1084     - 4 Star Rooms
832      - 3 Star Rooms
831 - Other Rooms
2,747 - Total 
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/bid-book-australia-and-new-zealand.pdf?cloudid=fwtyuwa9pb3encyeqlwc

Does it say "Other Rooms", or "Other (Airbnb & cabins)" in your link?

There are 601 hotel rooms in total across the three classes in the bid book for Dunedin, and 2,433 "Other (Airbnb & Cabins)".



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paladisious - 23 May 2020 6:03 AM
Blew.2 - 23 May 2020 5:16 AM

Does it say "Other Rooms", or "Other (Airbnb & cabins)" in your link?

There are 601 hotel rooms in total across the three classes in the bid book for Dunedin, and 2,433 "Other (Airbnb & Cabins)".



How many motel room's not mentioned, is that in others?

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Blew.2 - 23 May 2020 7:47 AM
paladisious - 23 May 2020 6:03 AM

How many motel room's not mentioned, is that in others?

Motels are just hotels with car parks, so they'd be part of the hotel room count, surely.
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Yessss!!! 2023 can't come soon enough

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President - 1 (Infantino)
AFC - 7 (Bahrain, Bangladesh, Qatar, Philippines, China, Patel, Tashima)
CAF - 7 (Madagascar, Egypt, Tunisia, Guinea, Burundi, Malawi, DRC)
CONCACAF - 5 (Canada, Panama, Turks and Caicos, USA, Cuba)
OFC - 2 (Vanuatu, Fiji)

Colombia
CONMEBOL - 4 (Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, Brazil)
UEFA - 9 (Slovenia, England, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, France, Montenegro, Russia)

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PricklePear - 26 Jun 2020 3:45 AM
ANZ
President - 1 (Infantino)
AFC - 7 (Bahrain, Bangladesh, Qatar, Philippines, China, Patel, Tashima)
CAF - 7 (Madagascar, Egypt, Tunisia, Guinea, Burundi, Malawi, DRC)
CONCACAF - 5 (Canada, Panama, Turks and Caicos, USA, Cuba)
OFC - 2 (Vanuatu, Fiji)

Colombia
CONMEBOL - 4 (Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, Brazil)
UEFA - 9 (Slovenia, England, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, France, Montenegro, Russia)

I can discern from your list, barring James Johnson's interventions, the critical five votes that secured victory, could so easily have gone to Colombia and won it for them.

Brilliant work by CEO Johnson, using his FIFA and AFC connections to get the bid over the line in a very tight contest, proving he is worth every cent he is being paid.

While acknowledging his great work, this praise does NOT extend to the incompetent board of the FFA.

The absolute nincompoop, Chris "The Greek" Nikou and a couple of the others, including Heather Reid, need to be removed ASAP.

Up to this point in time, their performances in their current roles have shown that NOT one of them would have a clue, as to how to "leverage" this win and convert it into serious advances for the game and will almost certainly WASTE the opportunity, if they are allowed to remain in the organisation!


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paladisious - 23 May 2020 6:03 AM
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Does it say "Other Rooms", or "Other (Airbnb & cabins)" in your link?

There are 601 hotel rooms in total across the three classes in the bid book for Dunedin, and 2,433 "Other (Airbnb & Cabins)".



Dunedin has already hosted a group at the U20 football world cup back in 2015. So they must have the capacity to do it. 
I'm sure even U20 WC players and staff would demand a reasonable level of facilities.
Also alot of super rugby teams in the past, spend the lead up to Dunedin games based in Queeenstown. Plenty of hotels there.
Dunedin also hosted a bunch of games successfully at the 2011 Rugby world Cup. This included england with there big player and staffing contingent. 
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richv - 23 May 2020 7:49 AM
paladisious - 23 May 2020 6:03 AM

Dunedin has already hosted a group at the U20 football world cup back in 2015. So they must have the capacity to do it. 
I'm sure even U20 WC players and staff would demand a reasonable level of facilities.
Also alot of super rugby teams in the past, spend the lead up to Dunedin games based in Queeenstown. Plenty of hotels there.
Dunedin also hosted a bunch of games successfully at the 2011 Rugby world Cup. This included england with there big player and staffing contingent. 

Hopefully that will be enough to convince the voters at FIFA.
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paladisious - 24 May 2020 7:11 AM
richv - 23 May 2020 7:49 AM

Hopefully that will be enough to convince the voters at FIFA.

Otago events of size:

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The New Zealand Masters Games is the largest annual multi-sport event held in New Zealand. From the 1st to the 9th of February 2020 the Games will return to Dunedin for the 15th time. The Games brings together over 5,000 people from around New Zealand and overseas to compete in a range of sports.


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yes Yes YES lets win the world cup!! Make it happen FFA !
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Anyone know if it’s announced over a live stream?

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Melbcityguy - 3 Jun 2020 2:48 PM

Anyone know if it’s announced over a live stream?

Does anyone know an exact time for the announcement actually?
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lebo_roo - 3 Jun 2020 8:44 PM
Melbcityguy - 3 Jun 2020 2:48 PM

Does anyone know an exact time for the announcement actually?

This is what I've seen about it

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/fifa-confirms-it-will-select-2023-womens-world-cup-host-on/1daclqa03nfgv143q097zdd2m1#:~:text=FIFA%20has%20confirmed%20it%20will,cancelled%20amid%20the%20coronavirus%20pandemic.

https://thewomensgame.com/news/date-set-for-2023-womens-world-cup-host-selection-548185

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NicCarBel - 4 Jun 2020 4:49 PM
lebo_roo - 3 Jun 2020 8:44 PM

This is what I've seen about it

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/fifa-confirms-it-will-select-2023-womens-world-cup-host-on/1daclqa03nfgv143q097zdd2m1#:~:text=FIFA%20has%20confirmed%20it%20will,cancelled%20amid%20the%20coronavirus%20pandemic.

https://thewomensgame.com/news/date-set-for-2023-womens-world-cup-host-selection-548185

Thanks

and I just read on the world game JJ thinks we’re the favourite to host the World Cup
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Melbcityguy - 4 Jun 2020 5:25 PM
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Thanks

and I just read on the world game JJ thinks we’re the favourite to host the World Cup

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Hope we get it so they can build another stadium in Brisbane.
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Brazil pulled out.

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Still think Japan will get it.
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Burztur - 9 Jun 2020 10:04 AM
Still think Japan will get it.

Agreed. If FIFA is going to pick anything in our unappealing timezone, I'd say they'd go with them instead of our half arsed bid.

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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 10:10 AM
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Agreed. If FIFA is going to pick anything in our unappealing timezone, I'd say they'd go with them instead of our half arsed bid.

Why is it ‘half arsed’?



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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM
melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 10:10 AM

Why is it ‘half arsed’?



Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM

Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

Ovals IMO shouldn't matter. a lot of mens' World Cup Finals have been held in stadiums that aren't exactly rectangular, or are rectangular in the sense that ANZ Stadium is rectangular. Since 1998 (First time the mens' world cup was held with 32 countries), I would really only count 2 as rectangular. Stade de France would then make it 3.
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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM

Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

Can you expand on your assertion that ‘Venues don’t meet FIFA standards’(do you mean all or some). Football is often played in oval shaped stadiums. I would venture to say that New Zealand would be a very popular place for overseas visitors to watch World Cup football.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 11:35 AM
melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM

Can you expand on your assertion that ‘Venues don’t meet FIFA standards’(do you mean all or some). Football is often played in oval shaped stadiums. I would venture to say that New Zealand would be a very popular place for overseas visitors to watch World Cup football.

Hindmarsh is too small and needs an overhaul to meet FIFA's other standards for things like Media and Corporate areas, we are basically relying on FIFA good will for that stadium to get approved. The hill and standing areas in Newcastle and Perth respectively will also not be allowed to be used unless FIFA has relaxed rules on stadiums being strictly all seaters since I last heard.

Oval Stadiums are not the same as athletics tracks. They are even further from the action on the sidelines and that is why Adelaide Oval is also not FIFA compliant.

NZ stadiums are either shitboxes, ovals, temporary stadiums or in glorified villages with little infrastructure to cope with a major event, they offer nothing substantial to the bid other than a couple of Oceania votes.

The fact is our main competitor in Japan is only putting forward one venue that is anything other than a rectangular stadium, they are all modern venues and all of the host cities are in major cities that are within 5 hours train connection of each other apart from Sapporo which is still the 5th biggest city in Japan.

Australia's bid has yet again been given the half arsed "yeah nah that's good enough" effort that the 2022 bid got back in 2010.

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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 12:26 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 11:35 AM

Hindmarsh is too small and needs an overhaul to meet FIFA's other standards for things like Media and Corporate areas, we are basically relying on FIFA good will for that stadium to get approved. The hill and standing areas in Newcastle and Perth respectively will also not be allowed to be used unless FIFA has relaxed rules on stadiums being strictly all seaters since I last heard.

Oval Stadiums are not the same as athletics tracks. They are even further from the action on the sidelines and that is why Adelaide is also not FIFA compliant.

NZ stadiums are either shitboxes, ovals, temporary stadiums or in glorified villages with little infrastructure to cope with a major event, they offer nothing substantial to the bid other than a couple of Oceania votes.

The fact is our main competitor in Japan is only putting forward one venue that is anything other than a rectangular stadium, they are all modern venues and all of the host cities are in major cities that are within 5 hours train connection of each other apart from Sapporo which is still the 5th biggest city in Japan.

Australia's bid has yet again been given the half arsed "yeah nah that's good enough" effort that the 2022 bid got back in 2010.

Hindmarsh is being upgraded if our bid is successful, temporary seating will be installed on what you refer to as a hill at HBF Park and the grass hills at McDonald Jones Stadium will either have temporary seating or be closed off (although it was deemed suitable for the AFC Cup).
Your anti New Zealand bias is showing judging by your descriptions of World Cup venues there. By the way, FIFA tournaments have been held in NZ in the past.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 1:41 PM
melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 12:26 PM

Hindmarsh is being upgraded if our bid is successful

That's news to me. Got a link?

Surely the compliant upgraded capacity would have been published in the bid book if that was the plan instead of the non compliant under 20k figure?
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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 3:41 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 1:41 PM

That's news to me. Got a link?

Surely the compliant upgraded capacity would have been published in the bid book if that was the plan instead of the non compliant under 20k figure?

There are numerous links, just google ‘Hindmarsh Stadium Women’s World Cup’.
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melbourne_terrace - 9 Jun 2020 11:19 AM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 10:55 AM

Venues that don't meet FIFA standards, several ovals (one of which is a shit box in Launceston) and the fact that NZ was included which just increases travel times for little benefit.

Japan & Korea hosted a World Cup & the World Cup hosted in Brazil had venues that also took a very long time to get to from one part of the country to the other.   ;)   

It won't be an issue.  

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Japan is having the Olympics and hosted the rugby World Cup. They also had the men’s World Cup in 2002. Give us a chance. The 2015 Asian cup Was very successful and doesn’t get enough recognition imo 
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Melbcityguy - 9 Jun 2020 12:48 PM
Japan is having the Olympics and hosted the rugby World Cup. They also had the men’s World Cup in 2002. Give us a chance. The 2015 Asian cup Was very successful and doesn’t get enough recognition imo 

Brazil has also pulled out
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Melbcityguy - 9 Jun 2020 12:48 PM
Japan is having the Olympics and hosted the rugby World Cup. They also had the men’s World Cup in 2002. Give us a chance. The 2015 Asian cup Was very successful and doesn’t get enough recognition imo 

Unfortunately, things don’t work that way. If we want a shot, we need to have a better bid than Japan’s - which we don’t.
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There will be some money spent, but only enough to get the attendance up to 18,435:

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/bid-book-australia-and-new-zealand.pdf?cloudid=fwtyuwa9pb3encyeqlwc

The minimum is 20,000:

https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/gfuxttuixv3s10jvidbn.pdf

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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:11 PM

Thank you for posting that information, so no upgrade but still a positive outcome.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 4:15 PM
paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:11 PM

Thank you for posting that information, so no upgrade but still a positive outcome.

They'll add 3,500 temporary seats if the bid gets up like they did for the 2000 Olympics, but that will only make a total of 18,435.

Unfortunately the minimum is 20,000, so I for one am very disappointed with the half-arsed effort and I fear that we haven't done enough to win hosting rights.
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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:24 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 4:15 PM

They'll add 3,500 temporary seats if the bid gets up like they did for the 2000 Olympics, but that will only make a total of 18,435.

Unfortunately the minimum is 20,000, so I for one am very disappointed with the half-arsed effort and I fear that we haven't done enough to win hosting rights.

By ‘half-arsed effort ‘ do you mean by not building 13 brand new stadiums....jeez.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 4:42 PM
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By ‘half-arsed effort ‘ do you mean by not building 13 brand new stadiums....jeez.

No I don't mean that, which should be rather obvious because that's not what I said.

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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:45 PM
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No I don't mean that, which should be rather obvious because that's not what I said.

Explain your comment ‘Half-arsed’ then.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 4:54 PM
paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:45 PM

Explain your comment ‘Half-arsed’ then.

We already had enough suitable 20k+ venues in our own country that could have made a good bid but the FFA couldn't even convince the state/territory governments to make them available (Western Sydney Stadium, North Queensland Stadium, Robina Stadium, Campbeltown Stadium, Canberra Stadium, even Kardinia Park) and a modest upgrade for Hindmarsh to meet criteria shouldn't have been too much to ask, so again, I'm quite disappointed with how it turned out.

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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:56 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 4:54 PM

We already had enough suitable 20k+ venues in our own country that could have made a good bid but the FFA couldn't even convince the state/territory governments to make them available (Western Sydney Stadium, North Queensland Stadium, Robina Stadium, Campbeltown Stadium, Canberra Stadium, even Kardinia Park) and a modest upgrade for Hindmarsh to meet criteria shouldn't have been too much to ask, so again, I'm quite disappointed with how it turned out.

It’s a joint Aus/NZ bid so we don’t need all of those stadiums. You seem to lack an understanding of the bid process, thank goodness you are not involved.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 5:44 PM
paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:56 PM

You seem to lack an understanding of the bid process, thank goodness you are not involved.

I've already posted FIFA's pdf of the bid criteria twice in this thread, but please feel free to fill me in on what I don't understand about the bid process. 

Is there a part that says under criteria venues are ok?

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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 5:44 PM
paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 4:56 PM

It’s a joint Aus/NZ bid so we don’t need all of those stadiums. 

We didn't need Robina Stadium or Canberra Stadium, but we did need the AFL oval in Launceston? Please.
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paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 7:49 PM
libelous - 9 Jun 2020 5:44 PM

We didn't need Robina Stadium or Canberra Stadium, but we did need the AFL oval in Launceston? Please.

A complete lack of understanding of how FIFA works when it comes to World Cups. Geography is as important as the stadiums themselves. Do educate yourself.
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libelous - 9 Jun 2020 8:18 PM
paladisious - 9 Jun 2020 7:49 PM

A complete lack of understanding of how FIFA works when it comes to World Cups. Geography is as important as the stadiums themselves. Do educate yourself.

Given that you're not actually expanding on what it is you reckon I don't understand after being asked twice now I doubt anyone else reading this will give your statements much merit.

Geography may be politically important, but for the sake of our bid I hope that isn't the only factor given that there's already been two Women's World Cups in the AFC and none in South America.

I try my best to be a "facts over feelings" kind of guy and have repeatedly posted FIFA's published criteria for WWC infrastructure, which we can see we unfortunately don't meet.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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rooboy91 - 9 Jun 2020 4:30 PM
Requirements only matter if FIFA want them to matter. 

Yep, maybe we can just put air conditioners under each seat
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Yep, maybe we can just put air conditioners under each seat

It'd make watching the A-League in summer more bearable.
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rooboy91 - 9 Jun 2020 4:30 PM
Requirements only matter if FIFA want them to matter. 

Does that justify submitting a bid that doesn't meet the criteria?

"Hrmph. I told you FIFA were corrupt: they didn't even select our non-compliant bid!"
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Thanks for the link

According to that we're front runners.  So congratulations Columbia.


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Munrubenmuz - 10 Jun 2020 10:32 PM

Thanks for the link

According to that we're front runners.  So congratulations Columbia.

Haha Lou sticca on Twitter:


Brazil pulling out of @FIFAWWC isn't a good thing for Australia's interests. South America will all pull behind Colombia whereas Asian vote will be split between Australia & Japan. Its no secret Australia isn't that endearing to our Asian neighbours so we have fight on our hands

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Thanks for the link.
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YES lets win this so weget football in the NEWS becauose you get NOTHING if your nit playing!!
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paladisious - 11 Jun 2020 1:24 AM


Hope so
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Hope so

Obviously FIFA don’t think our bid is ‘half-arsed.
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Obviously FIFA don’t think our bid is ‘half-arsed.

Don't count your chickens until they've hatched.
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libelous - 11 Jun 2020 9:41 AM
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Obviously FIFA don’t think our bid is ‘half-arsed.

FIFA thought the Qatar bid was half arsed.
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Burztur - 11 Jun 2020 10:42 AM
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FIFA thought the Qatar bid was half arsed.

Source?
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libelous - 11 Jun 2020 10:48 AM
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Source?

FIFA.

https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/ayheyvitgkcpamaxzovz.pdf

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paladisious - 11 Jun 2020 1:24 AM


Greatest sporting moment in Australia besides the Uruguay game. 
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ErogenousZone - 11 Jun 2020 9:46 AM
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Greatest sporting moment in Australia besides the Uruguay game. 

Seriously though, everyone memes on Bradbury because he won it from behind on the final turn of the gold medal race, but they don't think about the years of work to get to the final turn of the gold medal race. He said in an interview on the last lap when they broke away and he knew it was over he thought of just coasting to the end, but he kept trying his hardest to keep up, and when they fell on the last turn the rest is history.
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ErogenousZone - 11 Jun 2020 9:46 AM

Seriously though, everyone memes on Bradbury because he won it from behind on the final turn of the gold medal race, but they don't think about the years of work to get to the final turn of the gold medal race. He said in an interview on the last lap when they broke away and he knew it was over he thought of just coasting to the end, but he kept trying his hardest to keep up, and when they fell on the last turn the rest is history.

Bradbury was very keen to finish on the podium but it was a very competitive final. There had been a number of falls in previous rounds and he stated beforehand that he expected similar to happen sometime in the final so to at least pass one person. As  it happened it worked to treat.  
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Announced HostSettled on the host country/countries announced to host the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup, as announced on 25 June 2020. Bets void if announcement not made by 30 June 2020. Max bets apply.Australia/New ZealandJapanColombiaAustralia and New Zealand $1.65

japan $3.00

colombia $5.50
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Bookies are never wrong , as the saying goes .
well let’s hope we win it , I wonder if the News Ltd trash will ignore us for the full month similar to the Knight in that Monty python sketch all those years ago.
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Announced HostSettled on the host country/countries announced to host the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup, as announced on 25 June 2020. Bets void if announcement not made by 30 June 2020. Max bets apply.Australia/New ZealandJapanColombiaAustralia and New Zealand $1.65

japan $3.00

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Does anyone know what the odds are now? Bet365 or Sportsbet don't seem to have it.
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Voting at 02:00am AEST tonight/Friday morning.
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Colombia's bid to host 2023 Women's World Cup boosted by Uefa
Suzanne Wrack
Thu 25 Jun 2020 05.08 AESTLast modified on Thu 25 Jun 2020 05.55 AEST

The vote on Thursday to decide who hosts the 2023 Women’s World Cup is believed to be tighter than expected after Uefa members of the Fifa council were encouraged to back Colombia rather than the combined bid from Australia and New Zealand.

Despite Australia and New Zealand’s superior score from Fifa’s technical evaluation of the bids, 4.1 to Colombia’s 2.8, the Guardian understands two members of the Uefa delegation rubbished the technical reports in a meeting attended by its Fifa council members and argued that because the Women’s World Cup was a “development tournament” its representatives should back Colombia. Uefa did not respond to requests for comment.

Thirty-five members of the Fifa council will vote and if the nine Uefa representatives join four from Conmebol, the South American federation, in backing Colombia that would give them a head start over a presumed 10 votes guaranteed for Australia and New Zealand.

Australia and New Zealand have received public backing from the Asian Football Confederation, which has seven votes, after the withdrawal of Japan’s bid, and they are likely to secure the two votes from Oceania. They are also favourites to have the backing of Fifa’s president, Gianni Infantino, who is unlikely to go against the technical reports.

With seven votes from the Confederation of African Football and five from Concacaf, which covers North and Central America and the Caribbean, to play for, the decision is hanging in the balance.

It is not known whether the Football Association chairman, Greg Clarke, will follow the Uefa recommendation or back the bid from Australia and New Zealand, long believed to be the front runner.

On Saturday Fifa defended its technical evaluation of Colombia’s bid after the president of the Colombian FA, Ramón Jesurún, and the Conmebol president, Alejandro Domínguez, complained in a letter of “erroneous and discriminatory conclusions”. The pair highlighted the conclusions in relation to security, health and medical facilities and commercial potential.

A reply from Fatma Samoura, Fifa’s secretary general, said “all steps were taken to conduct the evaluation in a highly objective manner”, that experts indicated an “elevated level of risk”, that the altitude of Bogotá was an addition health issue and that forecast ticketing revenue was “modest” compared with the 2019 tournament in France.

Colombia’s women’s football track record is poor, but there is a hope among players that it could be a catalyst for change. Last year members of the Colombia senior women’s national team spoke out about a lack of support, few camps and poor conditions, and this month a former head coach of the under-17 team reached an agreement with prosecutors after he was accused of sexual harassment. The players’ union, Acolfutpro, has been forced to provide care packages for players who have had contracts cancelled as a result of Covid-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/24/colombias-bid-to-host-2023-womens-world-cup-boosted-by-uefa

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So funny that Vanuatu and Turks and Caicos Islands are represented on the FIFA Council but Germany, Spain and Argentina aren't.
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2023 World Cup: How FIFA's council members will likely vote and why
By Dominic Bossi
June 25, 2020 — 12.01am


In the early hours of Friday morning, Australia and New Zealand will know whether they have won hosting rights for the 2023 Women's World Cup.

Up against only Colombia, after Japan's withdrawal this week, the trans-Tasman bid will need to sway at least 18 of the 35 eligible voting members of FIFA's council to land the biggest event in women's football. Here is how it could go down.

Infantino has been tight-lipped about his preference for the 2023 Women's World Cup but his actions during his four years in office bode well for Australia and New Zealand. He has embarked on a cleansing of FIFA's tainted image, promoting transparency and accountability. With the Women's World Cup bidding process, that has taken the form of releasing all bid books, publication of FIFA's technical evaluation of each option and will be concluded by revealing all votes on Friday morning. The purpose is to ensure bids win on merit, not politics.

If he is true to his ethos, Australia and New Zealand have every right to feel confident of receiving his vote having been evaluated as the strongest bid by FIFA's technical committee.
Predicted vote in favour of Australia and New Zealand: 1/1.

AFC, Asia
The withdrawal of Japan's bid for the 2023 Women's World Cup prompted Asia to throw its support behind Australia and New Zealand. After the ASEAN Football Federation backed the trans-Tasman bid, the Asian Football Confederation's highly influential president, Sheikh Salman bin Ibrahim al-Khalifa of Bahrain, voiced his support through the AFC's media channels. It effectively ensures Australia and New Zealand of all seven votes from Asia while also making his ambitions known to his supporters in other regions.

Predicted votes in favour: 7/7

CAF, Africa
According to a FIFA source, CAF rarely swims against the tide of FIFA. That's not to say that will definitely be the case on Friday morning but the form guide makes for good reading for the trans-Tasman bid. Not only have FIFA's technocrats evaluated Australia and New Zealand as the strongest bid but senior figures have come out in support of it.

Most notably, Sheik Salman who wields significant influence in Africa. The continent was arguably his strongest supporter base in the 2016 FIFA presidential election. It could be influenced by his public backing of the trans-Tasman bid.
Predicted votes in favour: 7/7

UEFA, Europe
Europe remains the great unknown leading into Friday's vote, making the game's most powerful continent the potential kingmaker. UEFA is a longstanding antagonist of FIFA, clashing over control and finances. The two organisations are in the midst of a feud over a FIFA plan to expand the Club World Cup to 24 teams, which could challenge UEFA's Champions League. Friction over club versus country is also an ever-present wedge.

UEFA is the confederation least likely to toe the FIFA line and is also potentially the least likely to vote as a bloc, according to bid sources. The trans-Tasman bid should be confident of being supported by the FIFA council members of more established women's football countries - such as Italy, France and England - due to the strength of the bid.

Beyond that, the situation becomes murky and votes could be influenced by football politics and geopolitical ties.

Compounding the uncertainty is the strong relationship between UEFA and CONMEBOL. Europe and South America's status as the heavyweights of world football have made them political allies, which could aid Colombia's cause.
Predicted votes in favour: 3/9

CONCACAF, North and Central America
The neutral territory of the Caribbean, North and Central America is another key battle ground. The confederation's strong historical and political links with South America could aid Colombia's cause. Support from FIFA members in Panama and Cuba are likely, while the TV-friendly timezones will tempt the USA and Canada. However, bid sources believe CONCACAF won't necessarily vote as a bloc.

One of the key reasons for this is Australia's strong relationship with Canada and the USA, in particular with women's football. The W-League and the NASL have a strategic alliance while the Matildas are regular invitees at USA's Tournament of Nations competition. Australian Moya Dodd, a former FFA director and ex-FIFA Council member, was the chair of the taskforce for the 2015 Women's World Cup hosted by Canada. Those links are why the trans-Tasman bid is confident it can break up votes from CONCACAF.
Predicted votes in favour: 2/5

CONMEBOL, South America
South America made its position clear with an angry letter to FIFA condemning the low evaluation of Colombia's bid, seeking to discredit the organisation's technical committee. It was a puzzling strategy, given the potential for alienating FIFA's allies but could garner support from opponents of the governing body, namely UEFA. What is certain is it presented unanimous support for Colombia before Friday's vote.
Predicted votes in favour: 0/4

OFC, Oceania
The smallest confederation was the first to back Australia and New Zealand's bid. That is of no surprise considering New Zealand is a member of the OFC. NZ Football president Johanna Wood is also a FIFA Council member but is ineligible to vote.
Predicted votes in favour: 2/2

Final result: This prediction delivers a win for Australia and New Zealand by 22 votes to 13 over Colombia.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/2023-world-cup-how-fifa-s-council-members-will-likely-vote-and-why-20200624-p555ty.html

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FIFA 2023 Women's World Cup vote to go down to the wire - sources


Australia and New Zealand's hopes of hosting their first ever senior World Cup -- men's or women's -- appear to be in the hands of Africa's voting bloc, sources have told ESPN.

The combined Antipodean bid would seem a strong favourite ahead of Colombia, particularly after Japan withdrew less than a week from the vote itself.

But a closer inspection of the voting structure -- either bid needs at least 18 votes out of the 35 on offer to win -- suggests the final decision will go down to the wire on Thursday night. As many as 12 votes are still being fought over, an unusually high number so close to the deadline.

Sources close to the process have told ESPN that the final vote "will be much closer than people think and could easily go either way."

"It's the closest bidding for a major tournament I can remember, probably since Germany won the 2006 Men's World Cup bid [where they edged out South Africa]," a source added. "The next 24 hours will be pivotal."

Sources have told ESPN that the decisive battleground for victory will be the votes held by the FIFA Council's seven African representatives and North America's five representatives.

CAF's (Africa) representatives may yet vote as a bloc, or could also split their votes across both sides -- and it is thought they may not decide until the hours before the vote takes place.

Indeed, there are not many obvious reasons for the Africans to vote in favour of Colombia or Australia-New Zealand, given the limited political, cultural and commercial ties.

Colombia's FIFA Council member Ramon Jesurun is excluded from the vote but he will have undoubtedly used his position to remind his fellow council representatives from Africa of the need to help the developing world, not least in the women's game.

Still, Australia's bid has been around for longer (New Zealand were added to the bid in recent months), and the arrival of Football Federation Australia chief executive James Johnson -- who has only been in the chair six months -- has enabled the bid to tap his global contact list.

As the ex-Head of Professional Football at FIFA, it is Johnson's presence that has accelerated Australia's prospects of victory, and seen Australia quietly manage the menagerie of Asian football politics.

It is how they were able to outlast Japan, whose unconvincing bid seemed more about riding on the zeitgeist of Japan's major event spree -- following the 2019 World Cup and the now-delayed 2020 Olympics -- than it did about advancing women's football.

In Australia, the Japanese withdrawal was seen as a tipping point that assured victory, but that's far too simplistic. Having Asia's total support merely gets Australia-New Zealand the backing of their respective confederations, worth a total of nine votes.

And if their bid does not secure a majority of African votes, the possibility of victory would seem remote.

The bulk of UEFA's nine votes are expected to go Colombia's way, with the exception of England. Barring a last second chance of heart, relations between football's dominant football continents are projected to remain as fraternal as ever.

But if Africa is the true unknown, the volatile relationship between CONCACAF (North America) and CONMEBOL (South America) presents Colombia's biggest risk.

Believing they had the majority of UEFA tied up, added to CONMEBOL's four eligible votes, the Colombian bid team internally predicted that securing CONCACAF's five available votes put them in pole position to claim victory.

But Johnson's long-standing relationship with ex-US Soccer boss Sunil Galati and close ties with CONCACAF president Victor Montagliani has broken Colombia's dream of a clean sweep. If Australia can acquire any other votes from CONCACAF, it could mark an unexpected blow.

Finally, there is FIFA President Gianni Infantino. The eternal statesman, Infantino is torn over his stated desire to grow women's football in Latin America and to reward Australia's bid, which secured a much higher score (4.1 to 2.8) during the evaluation process.

As much as Infantino would love to transform Latin America's male-dominated football landscape in his crusade for gender equality, it will be extremely difficult to vote against the recommendations from FIFA's own technical report.

But just like many others heading to the vote, he may not decide until the final hour. In a race this close, every vote counts.

ESPN Voting Analysis:
AFC (Asia) - 7 votes for Australia/NZ
OFC (Oceania) - 2 votes for Australia/NZ
UEFA (Europe) - 8 votes for Colombia, 1 vote for Australia/NZ
CONCACAF (North America) - 5 votes undecided
CONMEBOL (South America) - 4 votes for Colombia
CAF (Africa) - 7 votes undecided
Gianni Infantino - 1 vote for Australia

Totals:
Australia/NZ - 11 votes
Colombia - 12 votes
Undecided - 12 votes

https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-womens-world-cup/story/4119867/fifa-2023-womens-world-cup-vote-to-go-down-to-the-wire-sources

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Those 'Congratulations Columbia' jokes after Japan withdrew aren't so funny anymore...



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karta - 25 Jun 2020 10:47 AM
Those 'Congratulations Columbia' jokes after Japan withdrew aren't so funny anymore...



Yeah all these 'we're going to win it's vote counts came out before the 2022 vote too.


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Jun 2020 12:59 PM

Yeah all these 'we're going to win it's vote counts came out before the 2022 vote too.

Garbage. 
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Feed_The_Brox - 25 Jun 2020 1:10 PM
Munrubenmuz - 25 Jun 2020 12:59 PM

Garbage. 

Really?  Distinctly remember articles in several newspapers breaking down the likely voting round by round and even predicting what bidders would go out when.


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Jun 2020 5:35 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 25 Jun 2020 1:10 PM

Really?  Distinctly remember articles in several newspapers breaking down the likely voting round by round and even predicting what bidders would go out when.

The exact voting breakdown was leaked a couple of hours before the announcement.
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rooboy91 - 25 Jun 2020 11:17 PM
Munrubenmuz - 25 Jun 2020 5:35 PM

The exact voting breakdown was leaked a couple of hours before the announcement.

Days before that there were articles saying this is how it's going to go down.  Which is exactly what didn't happen.


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Jun 2020 11:22 PM
rooboy91 - 25 Jun 2020 11:17 PM

Days before that there were articles saying this is how it's going to go down.  Which is exactly what didn't happen.

It's hard to search for an article from 10 years ago but here's one talking about why our bid is a 'winner'.  https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/bid-chiefs-telling-the-world-that-our-timing-is-just-right-20101130-18fd3.html


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FIFA's stream, apparently going live at 3am AEST, maybe earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvmTcSh1XQ
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so the way the votes are looking it seems the quality of a bid is still completely irrelevant at FIFA.
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banzai - 25 Jun 2020 12:59 PM
so the way the votes are looking it seems the quality of a bid is still completely irrelevant at FIFA.

I don't think it's unreasonable for voters to weigh the result of the technical report against the need to grow the women's game in South America, which has never hosted a WWC before.
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My GF is Colombian so I’ve already won. 
Would prefer it here though. 

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tsf - 25 Jun 2020 5:42 PM
My GF is Colombian so I’ve already won.

I'd be in Colombia right now if it wasn't for Covid. :(
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paladisious - 25 Jun 2020 6:04 PM
tsf - 25 Jun 2020 5:42 PM

I'd be in Colombia right now if it wasn't for Covid. :(

You'd love it.

Beautiful country.

Might go back there in 2023 for the finals! :)


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Brian Kidd - 25 Jun 2020 8:01 PM
paladisious - 25 Jun 2020 6:04 PM

You'd love it.

Beautiful country.

Might go back there in 2023 for the finals! :)

I reckon I'll go too. One of my best mates at work is from Colombia, I've become a fan of his team Atletico Medellin because we can bludge and watch their games at about 9 or 10am lol

So devvo about Copa America being pushed back having booked flights, and I would be furious if FFA chose to not go to the rescheduled edition.
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paladisious - 25 Jun 2020 6:04 PM
tsf - 25 Jun 2020 5:42 PM

I'd be in Colombia right now if it wasn't for Covid. :(

I'm hoping to get there in December but looking very unlikely we can travel without quarantine
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tsf - 25 Jun 2020 5:42 PM
My GF is Colombian so I’ve already won. 

I read this in a different way to what you intended, but  it still makes sense.

You definitely can’t lose, hopefully Aus/NZ wins the bid and you both enjoy the cup here.
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tsf - 25 Jun 2020 5:42 PM
My GF is Colombian so I’ve already won. 
Would prefer it here though. 

@tsf - if you are still together then I hope that the 2 Sydney and 1 Perth game suits your schedule to see Colombia play in the WC next year !
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Twitter going around saying Columbia has it in the basket. 
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Bunny - 25 Jun 2020 6:22 PM
Twitter going around saying Columbia has it in the basket. 


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scott20won - 25 Jun 2020 6:28 PM
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Make no mistake, the AFL have the champagne corks at the ready. Their soft power and backchannels prevented our bid from accessing compliant venues like Western Sydney Stadium, North Queensland Stadium, Robina Stadium, Kardinia Park and more that would easily have gotten our bid across the line on our own merit and avoided a home WWC being a knockout blow to their strategy of inventing the AFLW in response to the rise of the Matildas.
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paladisious - 25 Jun 2020 6:04 PM
tsf - 25 Jun 2020 5:42 PM

I'd be in Colombia right now if it wasn't for Covid. :(

You'd love it.

Beautiful country.

Might go back there in 2023 for the finals! :)
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Make no mistake, the AFL have the champagne corks at the ready. Their soft power and backchannels prevented our bid from accessing compliant venues like Western Sydney Stadium, North Queensland Stadium, Robina Stadium, Kardinia Park and more that would easily have gotten our bid across the line on our own merit and avoided a home WWC being a knockout blow to their strategy of inventing the AFLW in response to the rise of the Matildas.

If anything "clearly contrasts" the VAST differences between the business strategies of the "highly successful, EXTREMELY AGRESSIVE, take NO prisoners" approach used by the Wayne Jackson/Andrew Dimetrieu/Gillion McLoughlan led AFL "versus" the "totally ineffectual, SPINELESS, lilly-livered, soft-cock, turn the other cheek, olive branch diplomacy" strategy CHAMPIONED by Frank "The Dog" Lowy/his parasitic son Steven/Chris "The Greek" Nikou, - THIS STATEMENT PROVIDES IT!

We need to take a poll:

Which of the two strategies do YOU think has been the MOST successful for their respective sports, punters????

VOTE (A) for the highly aggressive take NO prisoners style of the AFL

OR

VOTE (B) for the totally ineffectual, turn the other cheek strategy of the FFA




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When will we know officially the result? I know early tomorrow morning but is their a time?
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City Sam - 25 Jun 2020 7:46 PM
When will we know officially the result? I know early tomorrow morning but is their a time?

I think the meeting starts at 2am AEST, the FIFA stream for the announcement is currently set to go live at 03:05am, but could be earlier.
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FFA producing their own Decision Day show live now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBI6ILrRmGc

A preview of FFA produced content going forward?
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paladisious - 25 Jun 2020 7:46 PM
FFA producing their own Decision Day show live now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBI6ILrRmGc

A preview of FFA produced content going forward?

...hopefully it's not, amateur hour stuff.
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Not sure Colombia has the capacity to host it would be risky. The safe decision is Aus/NZ but who knows with FIFA.
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Georgeg - 25 Jun 2020 8:23 PM
Not sure Colombia has the capacity to host it would be risky. The safe decision is Aus/NZ but who knows with FIFA.

yes they can.
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http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/06/25/wwc-2023-vote-uefa-bucks-bid-report-strong-arming-members-vote-colombia/


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So they're nearly there. Presentations and then votes. 
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvmTcSh1XQ&feature=emb_title

Announcement livestream 
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The FIFA Secretary General is now presenting the #FIFAWWC 2023 Bid Evaluation Report to the FIFA Council.

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johnszasz - 26 Jun 2020 1:31 AM
The FIFA Secretary General is now presenting the #FIFAWWC 2023 Bid Evaluation Report to the FIFA Council.

Yeah.     .
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Paul01 - 26 Jun 2020 1:47 AM
johnszasz - 26 Jun 2020 1:31 AM

Yeah.     .

Got it 🔥🔥🔥
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Paul01 - 26 Jun 2020 1:47 AM
johnszasz - 26 Jun 2020 1:31 AM

Yeah.     .

Now we need the votes. 
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Paul01 - 26 Jun 2020 1:49 AM
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Now we need the votes. 

"The joint bid submitted by Football Federation Australia and New Zealand Football received 22 of the 35 valid votes cast by the FIFA Council members in the first ballot, with the Colombian Football Association having obtained 13 votes."

From a tweet by Suzy Wrack
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"The joint bid submitted by Football Federation Australia and New Zealand Football received 22 of the 35 valid votes cast by the FIFA Council members in the first ballot, with the Colombian Football Association having obtained 13 votes."

From a tweet by Suzy Wrack

So the FA voted against us .....time to get rid of Charles n co 
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notarobot - 26 Jun 2020 2:21 AM
Paul01 - 26 Jun 2020 2:10 AM

So the FA voted against us .....time to get rid of Charles n co 

Given that we benefited from bloc voting in this case, we can let them off the hook this time, but it definitely goes to show That the UK isn’t exactly our ally in this things :)
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Given that we benefited from bloc voting in this case, we can let them off the hook this time, but it definitely goes to show That the UK isn’t exactly our ally in this things :)

So you reckion, we should just let them off the hook yet again, do you???

FYI, this is NOT the first time the sleezy Pommies have done this to Australia.

They did the EXACT same thing during the 2010 vote for 2018/2022 Men's World Cups, as well!

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Bloody fantastic news.
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Bondi Bossa Nova Allstar - 26 Jun 2020 1:50 AM
Bloody fantastic news.

I am speechless. Congrats to everyone involved in this bid in any way.

I will enjoy the 3 year lead up immensely and hope that the sport capitalises in this wonderful opportunity.
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That Pause he made had me hear COL and then relief. So happy 
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johnszasz - 26 Jun 2020 2:34 AM
That Pause he made had me hear COL and then relief. So happy 

When he said "the winning country" lol, bastard.
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I really can’t understand why anyone would vote for Colombia considering the COVID rush there. 
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May have been posted already.

https://youtu.be/vR4qGrmHpEE

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Munrubenmuz - 26 Jun 2020 1:33 PM
May have been posted already.

https://youtu.be/vR4qGrmHpEE

Bid presentation.

Much better than 2010.

Very nice.
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Munrubenmuz - 26 Jun 2020 1:33 PM

Much better than 2010.

Very nice.

I honestly don't know how that 2010 one was made and the first reaction wasn't, that this is a pile of shit. 
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City Sam - 26 Jun 2020 3:41 PM
Proud2BeCanberran - 26 Jun 2020 2:12 PM

I honestly don't know how that 2010 one was made and the first reaction wasn't, that this is a pile of shit. 

Yup. Even videos on YouTube have better production quality
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Munrubenmuz - 26 Jun 2020 1:33 PM
May have been posted already.

https://youtu.be/vR4qGrmHpEE

Bid presentation.

way way better than the previous one. 
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