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...no they're not a problem. Just play out of suitably sized stadiums and the A-league would be a roaring success.
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+xEleven former school friends meet up on the invitation of their mutual friend Frank. Two or three of them have gone on to have successful careers and are quite wealthy, while most of them getting by alright managing to pay the bills and mortgage, but one or two have had trouble finding work lately and are currently on the dole. Frank chose a rather upmarket restaurant, some of the guys who weren't as well off were uneasy about that, but with no other option they went along and insisted out of dignity that the minestrone was all they were hungry enough for, while Frank was having lobster and insisting on the most expensive bottle of wine for the table. At the end of the night, Frank says "so, we'll just split the bill evenly, yeah?" There are not 11 Melbourne Victories and Sydney FCs in the A-League, as is the case in any football league. Not Einstein said that "if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." If you're measuring the success of small clubs like the Mariners by the same expectations as Victory or Sydney then of course they'll appear to be a failure. If you remember that they've provided us with Rogic, Jedinak, Ryan and Amini (perhaps we'll add Ruiz-Diaz to that list soon) then they start looking like a terrific success. We need more access to the top tier for small clubs like Mariners, not less, while the bigger couple of clubs should be free to challenge in Asia and higher, raising the standard while subsidising the rest of the pyramid with transfer fees. We need a system that rewards clubs staying within their means and investing in youth instead of pretending that we're 11 guys that can all afford the lobster. Great analogy. The company is the most important part of eating out though, so I expect the Mariners will prefer eating Mistrone with their wealthy mates at the nice restaurant for the foreseeable future. With time, a second division restaurant may be able to grow their business and improve their quality to a level that the Mariners will be happy to eat at...... Okay, so my analogy is pretty s**t compared to yours.
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+x+xEleven former school friends meet up on the invitation of their mutual friend Frank. Two or three of them have gone on to have successful careers and are quite wealthy, while most of them getting by alright managing to pay the bills and mortgage, but one or two have had trouble finding work lately and are currently on the dole. Frank chose a rather upmarket restaurant, some of the guys who weren't as well off were uneasy about that, but with no other option they went along and insisted out of dignity that the minestrone was all they were hungry enough for, while Frank was having lobster and insisting on the most expensive bottle of wine for the table. At the end of the night, Frank says "so, we'll just split the bill evenly, yeah?" There are not 11 Melbourne Victories and Sydney FCs in the A-League, as is the case in any football league. Not Einstein said that "if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." If you're measuring the success of small clubs like the Mariners by the same expectations as Victory or Sydney then of course they'll appear to be a failure. If you remember that they've provided us with Rogic, Jedinak, Ryan and Amini (perhaps we'll add Ruiz-Diaz to that list soon) then they start looking like a terrific success. We need more access to the top tier for small clubs like Mariners, not less, while the bigger couple of clubs should be free to challenge in Asia and higher, raising the standard while subsidising the rest of the pyramid with transfer fees. We need a system that rewards clubs staying within their means and investing in youth instead of pretending that we're 11 guys that can all afford the lobster. Great analogy. The company is the most important part of eating out though, so I expect the Mariners will prefer eating Mistrone with their wealthy mates at the nice restaurant for the foreseeable future. With time, a second division restaurant may be able to grow their business and improve their quality to a level that the Mariners will be happy to eat at...... Okay, so my analogy is pretty s**t compared to yours. Minestrone
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CanberraHarry
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Gallop’s fish where the fish are comment is one of the dumbest things I have heard in sport. On so many levels. No doubt he thought it was clever. The counter-argument is that driftnet fishing in one or two spots kills the fish. And none are left to eat. You have overfished. You are an idiot.
It’s times like these we need Eric Cantona to start talking about seagulls.
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aussie pride
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Small clubs are required in every nations footballing ecosystem.
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The majority of teams for NRL are in Sydney, the Newcastle Knights have been a punish for funds till Wests Newcastle started to prop them up afew years ago.
NRL have had copius chances to get a team out of Central Coast but won't touch it with a permanent team, regardless of that great boutique stadium.
AFL have their core of teams come from Melbourne, from the VFL days.
The Central Coast and Newcastle don't make for stable clubs, the only constant is turbulence, in particular for the A League, particularly with it's financial position.
Regional cities don't have the business financials to run teams at the highest level, constantly. Australia is still developing and infrastructure with business has not spread way past the cities yet, maybe in 100 more years.
A League need 16 teams to come from cities, it has no choice. If these two teams were to now try to enter the next round of expansion they wouldn't make the top 10 entrants.
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I do think that clubs like CCM that find themselves in financial difficulty would benefit from having a 2nd tier, even if there was no P&R at first.
They could choose to step down, giving their spot to another club until they got themselves into a stronger position. Risk is that they may be stuck for some time until promotion opportunities occur, but it’s likely better than having to prop up clubs constantly.
Whether or not the A-League becomes dominated by one or two states is a possibility in a P&R situation, but ultimately it would certainly drive clubs across the country to push harder to find a model that can bring them revenue and then invest in trying to climb into the top tier. Unlocking those additional revenue streams is key.
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+x+x+xClubs like the Mariners are important for pathways and are fine overall if the model allows to operate at their own level. They become a ball and chain on the league however when they start squatting at the bottom of the table and every other club is forced to stay at their level. In hindsight, my restaurant analogy could also have been 11 guys having to have Dominos at a bus stop in the rain so the poorer guys don't feel bad (franchise model, "competitive balance"), when ideally the richer couple of guys could be shouting lobster for everyone at the table (unshackling the big clubs, transfer fees). That analogy with the two richer guys, is like the recent twitter article on A League Hub, that mentions rich owners of Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC taking over the Mariners and Jets, by creating a fund for these teams as they cannot keep up with the wealthier teams in this comp. That would probably make all clubs involved ineligible for the ACL, and rightly so.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+xClubs like the Mariners are important for pathways and are fine overall if the model allows to operate at their own level. They become a ball and chain on the league however when they start squatting at the bottom of the table and every other club is forced to stay at their level. In hindsight, my restaurant analogy could also have been 11 guys having to have Dominos at a bus stop in the rain so the poorer guys don't feel bad (franchise model, "competitive balance"), when ideally the richer couple of guys could be shouting lobster for everyone at the table (unshackling the big clubs, transfer fees). That analogy with the two richer guys, is like the recent twitter article on A League Hub, that mentions rich owners of Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC taking over the Mariners and Jets, by creating a fund for these teams as they cannot keep up with the wealthier teams in this comp. That would probably make all clubs involved ineligible for the ACL, and rightly so. It would.
But that’s not what they are proposing .... unless people believe everything they read on the internet and everything Trump says 😂
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+x+x+x+x+xClubs like the Mariners are important for pathways and are fine overall if the model allows to operate at their own level. They become a ball and chain on the league however when they start squatting at the bottom of the table and every other club is forced to stay at their level. In hindsight, my restaurant analogy could also have been 11 guys having to have Dominos at a bus stop in the rain so the poorer guys don't feel bad (franchise model, "competitive balance"), when ideally the richer couple of guys could be shouting lobster for everyone at the table (unshackling the big clubs, transfer fees). That analogy with the two richer guys, is like the recent twitter article on A League Hub, that mentions rich owners of Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC taking over the Mariners and Jets, by creating a fund for these teams as they cannot keep up with the wealthier teams in this comp. That would probably make all clubs involved ineligible for the ACL, and rightly so. It would.
But that’s not what they are proposing .... unless people believe everything they read on the internet and everything Trump says 😂 Biden's as sharp as a bowling ball..lol.
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