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https://www.theffacup.com.au/news/stand-alone-final-and-afc-champions-league-prize-headline-rebooted-ffa-cup-2021


Football Federation Australia (FFA) today announced that the FFA Cup will return to the national football calendar in 2021 with some key adjustments intended to improve and enhance the excitement associated with Australia’s largest annual club-based sporting competition.

FFA CUP 2021 – KEY FEATURES:
  • FFA Cup Semi-Finals & Final earmarked to be on stand-alone weekends for the first time. Final to be played at neutral venue.
  • FFA Cup Final Rounds will feature an open draw for the first time – generating more competitive tension and uncertainty.
  • FFA Cup 2021 winner to be awarded a preliminary round slot representing Australia in the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Champions League*.
  • FFA Cup Final Rounds Slot Allocation for A-League clubs and Member Federations to remain unchanged.
  • FFA Cup Final Rounds Play-Off matches between the bottom four (4) placed A-League clubs from the A-League 2020/21 season will be played to determine the final two (2) A-League teams to enter the Round of 32.
  • Wollongong Wolves (NPL 2019 Champions) will be granted entry into the FFA Cup 2021 Final Rounds. Wollongong missed out in 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

From the 2021 iteration of the FFA Cup onwards, the FFA Cup Final will be played at a neutral venue and the FFA Cup Semi-Finals and Final will be contested on stand-alone weekends to ensure that the competition’s showpiece fixtures have the opportunity to establish a significant place on the national sporting calendar.Additionally, for the first-time next year’s FFA Cup winners will be granted one of Australia’s preliminary round slots in the AFC Champions League*, meaning clubs from all levels of the Australian football ecosystem can aspire to compete against Asia’s best.
FFA Chief Executive Officer, James Johnson, said adjustments to the FFA Cup from 2021 onwards are aligned to Principle IV of the XI Principles for the future of Australian football and will bring a new edge to the competition.
“Principle IV of our XI Principles speaks to the ongoing optimisation of Australia’s competition structures and ensuring that Australia’s football pyramid is aligned and connected. The FFA Cup is unique amongst all other sporting competitions in Australia in that a team of builders, electricians and office-workers might get the chance to compete against five-time A-League Champions Sydney FC,” Johnson said.“These changes to the FFA Cup from 2021 onwards demonstrate FFA’s commitment to not only enhancing the FFA Cup for the enjoyment of our football community, but to provide players and clubs at all levels of the game with the opportunity to aspire to represent Australia on the global stage.
“Playing the FFA Cup Final on a stand-alone weekend will enable the FFA Cup Final to develop its own identity within the national football calendar, and we envisage that an array of events – such as a national football conference or a national football weekend festival – can in the future be held in parallel with the FFA Cup Final. Furthermore, we believe that by connecting the FFA Cup Final with a variety of supporting football-focused events, we can engage a wide cross-section of the football community and make the event an increasingly attractive proposition to host cities and Governments.”
The 2020 version of the FFA Cup was cancelled earlier this year due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. At the time of cancellation, 765 clubs had registered to participate in the competition – the second most since the competition commenced in 2014. 
Johnson is confident that a significant number of the clubs registered to compete in 2020 will return in 2021, as the FFA Cup Round of 32 draw and format is also revised.  
“Next year’s FFA Cup Preliminary Rounds will be held much like in years gone by, however we are moving to adjust the structure of the Round of 32 – where professional A-League clubs enter the competition – into four geographic Zones. These Zones will promote local rivalries and competitive tension, and for the first time will feature an open draw to determine matches. The open draw will continue to feature right through to the semi-final stage, ensuring that there’s absolute uncertainty when the draw for each round of the competition is staged,” he said.
The FFA Cup 2021 Preliminary Rounds will be held between February and July next year, with the Final Rounds planned to be played between July and November. Precise match dates and details will be confirmed in due course.
The FFA Cup has received widespread acceptance by the Australian football community since its inception in 2014 because of its ability to connect all levels of the game across Australia. The knockout format has generated competitive tension and uncertainty over the years and these new enhancements further solidify that this competition rewards sporting merit.
The introduction of an FFA Cup for women and youth are part of FFA’s bold and innovative 15-year vision for the game. FFA will also continue to assess the introduction of a group stage throughout the competition, as ways to enhance and increase the number of competitive match minutes available to Australian players are considered. Throughout 2021, FFA will conduct consultation with Australia’s football community regarding the potential renaming of the FFA Cup. The potential renaming of the competition is due to the current transition from Football Federation Australia to the new company name of ‘Football Australia’. The transition from Football Federation Australia to ‘Football Australia’ received unanimous Congress support at FFA’s seventeenth Annual General Meeting held on Wednesday, 25 November 2020.In addition, FFA today launched a short survey to capture data and feedback related to the FFA Cup and its development. The survey, available here, provides Australia’s football family with the opportunity to submit ideas as to what the FFA Cup could be named in the future. 


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^^ Yep lots to like.  Open draw is a winner.


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Me like it, hope they go back to the name called the Australia Cup too.
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Bottom 4 playoff too for the AL.
That way there is a definite disincentive to finish in the bottom 4.




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I like pretty much everything about this and, credit where it is due, a huge "well done" to the FA. Looks like them losing the reigns from the A league is an incentive to put some focus onto the rest of football for a change. 
Im glad they didn't  go with the group stages idea... and more than happy with regional tone to round of 32. Sure it will favour some states  but it will all come out in the wash ....
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Monoethnic Social Club - 1 Dec 2020 10:03 PM
I like pretty much everything about this and, credit where it is due, a huge "well done" to the FA. Looks like them losing the reigns from the A league is an incentive to put some focus onto the rest of football for a change. 
Im glad they didn't  go with the group stages idea... and more than happy with regional tone to round of 32. Sure it will favour some states  but it will all come out in the wash ....

+ 1 on that. 

Moving all games to the weekend would be the only other suggestion. 

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So are next years playoffs between 

victory
wsw
JETS
CCM


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Waz - 1 Dec 2020 11:08 PM
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+ 1 on that. 

Moving all games to the weekend would be the only other suggestion. 

Yeah agreed as it would make it easier for state league clubs to draw a crowd and make some cash. The only thing I am a little sceptical of is the neutral venue for the final... yeah it will be great if  we ever get a "Wembley" in this country but its way too soon for anythung like that, It would be horrible if say Perth plays Adelaide in Sydney.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 1 Dec 2020 11:14 PM
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Yeah agreed as it would make it easier for state league clubs to draw a crowd and make some cash. The only thing I am a little sceptical of is the neutral venue for the final... yeah it will be great if  we ever get a "Wembley" in this country but its way too soon for anythung like that, It would be horrible if say Perth plays Adelaide in Sydney.

Agree on the neutral venue. The only decision will be which Sydney stadium they will choose. 

But weekend games would be a huge boost for the smaller clubs. 

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Waz - 1 Dec 2020 11:18 PM
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Agree on the neutral venue. The only decision will be which Sydney stadium they will choose. 

But weekend games would be a huge boost for the smaller clubs. 

Yeah more than likely Sydney, but maybe all 4 home stadiums (or suitable size in each city) Should be booked before semis are played and then the final can go to to the team with best winning margin ... I dont know just spitballing here.
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> four geographic Zones
how the fuck does that work without fucking up the state allocation of spots and where do the nix go into

QLD/NNSW 
NSW/ACT 
VIC/TAS
SA/WA/NT
I mean you need to reduce the amount of spots FNSW to about 2 spots to get it equal across the zones



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All positives in the revamp. Pat on the back for all involved. 

I agree that with the FA losing control of the HAL, they need to focus on the rest of football (with the Australia/FFA Cup being the main driver).
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Waz - 1 Dec 2020 11:08 PM
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+ 1 on that. 

Moving all games to the weekend would be the only other suggestion. 

Weekend afternoon games are definitely needed. Getting a team like Marconi is exciting but having to get to a game in South West Sydney on a tuesday night isn't happening. Overall most of this is good. Standalone semi and Final is good, neutral final stops the whinging of who hosts.

I don't like the a-league bottom team play-off but it's better than what O'Rourke suggested with teams missing out. I'm fine with the round of 32 regionalised zones even if its not fully open, it's a much better cup and could give it a bit more DFB Pokal first round feel with the early derbies. 


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I like it a lot .... I also like the way they linked the new format to their 11 principals ....

I think and I could be wrong but I think its the first time I can recall, a conceptual framework to operate in i.e.  the 11 principals and linking what FA do to one of the principals... meaning those things start to have meaning beyond simply a PR word script...

FFA Chief Executive Officer, James Johnson, said adjustments to the FFA Cup from 2021 onwards are aligned to Principle IV of the XI Principles for the future of Australian football and will bring a new edge to the competition.
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GDeathe - 1 Dec 2020 11:52 PM
> four geographic Zones
how the fuck does that work without fucking up the state allocation of spots and where do the nix go into

QLD/NNSW 
NSW/ACT 
VIC/TAS
SA/WA/NT
I mean you need to reduce the amount of spots FNSW to about 2 spots to get it equal across the zones



I'm guessing the zones will be:
QLD/NT
NSW/NNSW/ACT
VIC/TAS
SA/WA

They only need an even number of teams in each zone for it to work, since the Round of 16 will go back to nationwide. Phoenix can make the difference in whatever zone has an odd number of teams. Although if they have play-offs among the four bottom A-League clubs it will make the zone composition hard to predict.
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In general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by.

Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup").

Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together?

It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas:
NSW: 4
VIC: 4
QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ)
NNSW: 2
SA: 2
WA: 2
ACT: 1
TAS: 1
NT: 1

Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup.
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https://www.theffacup.com.au/news/stand-alone-final-and-afc-champions-league-prize-headline-rebooted-ffa-cup-2021


Football Federation Australia (FFA) today announced that the FFA Cup will return to the national football calendar in 2021 with some key adjustments intended to improve and enhance the excitement associated with Australia’s largest annual club-based sporting competition.

FFA CUP 2021 – KEY FEATURES:
  • FFA Cup Semi-Finals & Final earmarked to be on stand-alone weekends for the first time. Final to be played at neutral venue.
  • FFA Cup Final Rounds will feature an open draw for the first time – generating more competitive tension and uncertainty.
  • FFA Cup 2021 winner to be awarded a preliminary round slot representing Australia in the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Champions League*.
  • FFA Cup Final Rounds Slot Allocation for A-League clubs and Member Federations to remain unchanged.
  • FFA Cup Final Rounds Play-Off matches between the bottom four (4) placed A-League clubs from the A-League 2020/21 season will be played to determine the final two (2) A-League teams to enter the Round of 32.
  • Wollongong Wolves (NPL 2019 Champions) will be granted entry into the FFA Cup 2021 Final Rounds. Wollongong missed out in 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

From the 2021 iteration of the FFA Cup onwards, the FFA Cup Final will be played at a neutral venue and the FFA Cup Semi-Finals and Final will be contested on stand-alone weekends to ensure that the competition’s showpiece fixtures have the opportunity to establish a significant place on the national sporting calendar.Additionally, for the first-time next year’s FFA Cup winners will be granted one of Australia’s preliminary round slots in the AFC Champions League*, meaning clubs from all levels of the Australian football ecosystem can aspire to compete against Asia’s best.
FFA Chief Executive Officer, James Johnson, said adjustments to the FFA Cup from 2021 onwards are aligned to Principle IV of the XI Principles for the future of Australian football and will bring a new edge to the competition.
“Principle IV of our XI Principles speaks to the ongoing optimisation of Australia’s competition structures and ensuring that Australia’s football pyramid is aligned and connected. The FFA Cup is unique amongst all other sporting competitions in Australia in that a team of builders, electricians and office-workers might get the chance to compete against five-time A-League Champions Sydney FC,” Johnson said.“These changes to the FFA Cup from 2021 onwards demonstrate FFA’s commitment to not only enhancing the FFA Cup for the enjoyment of our football community, but to provide players and clubs at all levels of the game with the opportunity to aspire to represent Australia on the global stage.
“Playing the FFA Cup Final on a stand-alone weekend will enable the FFA Cup Final to develop its own identity within the national football calendar, and we envisage that an array of events – such as a national football conference or a national football weekend festival – can in the future be held in parallel with the FFA Cup Final. Furthermore, we believe that by connecting the FFA Cup Final with a variety of supporting football-focused events, we can engage a wide cross-section of the football community and make the event an increasingly attractive proposition to host cities and Governments.”
The 2020 version of the FFA Cup was cancelled earlier this year due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. At the time of cancellation, 765 clubs had registered to participate in the competition – the second most since the competition commenced in 2014. 
Johnson is confident that a significant number of the clubs registered to compete in 2020 will return in 2021, as the FFA Cup Round of 32 draw and format is also revised.  
“Next year’s FFA Cup Preliminary Rounds will be held much like in years gone by, however we are moving to adjust the structure of the Round of 32 – where professional A-League clubs enter the competition – into four geographic Zones. These Zones will promote local rivalries and competitive tension, and for the first time will feature an open draw to determine matches. The open draw will continue to feature right through to the semi-final stage, ensuring that there’s absolute uncertainty when the draw for each round of the competition is staged,” he said.
The FFA Cup 2021 Preliminary Rounds will be held between February and July next year, with the Final Rounds planned to be played between July and November. Precise match dates and details will be confirmed in due course.
The FFA Cup has received widespread acceptance by the Australian football community since its inception in 2014 because of its ability to connect all levels of the game across Australia. The knockout format has generated competitive tension and uncertainty over the years and these new enhancements further solidify that this competition rewards sporting merit.
The introduction of an FFA Cup for women and youth are part of FFA’s bold and innovative 15-year vision for the game. FFA will also continue to assess the introduction of a group stage throughout the competition, as ways to enhance and increase the number of competitive match minutes available to Australian players are considered. Throughout 2021, FFA will conduct consultation with Australia’s football community regarding the potential renaming of the FFA Cup. The potential renaming of the competition is due to the current transition from Football Federation Australia to the new company name of ‘Football Australia’. The transition from Football Federation Australia to ‘Football Australia’ received unanimous Congress support at FFA’s seventeenth Annual General Meeting held on Wednesday, 25 November 2020.In addition, FFA today launched a short survey to capture data and feedback related to the FFA Cup and its development. The survey, available here, provides Australia’s football family with the opportunity to submit ideas as to what the FFA Cup could be named in the future. 


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So no group stage. I liked the idea of a group stage as it would allow all 22 NPL teams to meet at least one A League team, which are the money games for the NPL clubs. The geographical zones and open draw will advantage the non NSW and Victorian teams in reaching the final stages since they have less A league competition in their regions.
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Without naming an intent or preference for the final it raises the possibility of it being put up for auction. 

I’m kind of okay with that (recognising the need for money) providing the FFA are sensible - no finals at ANZ just because Tourism NSW’s stump up cash. Locations that entice fans for a weekend away and with some local population would be my preference 

Canberra ✔️
Gold Coast ✔️
Sunshine Coast ✔️

Anywhere else?? 

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Waz - 2 Dec 2020 8:01 AM
Without naming an intent or preference for the final it raises the possibility of it being put up for auction. 

I’m kind of okay with that (recognising the need for money) providing the FFA are sensible - no finals at ANZ just because Tourism NSW’s stump up cash. Locations that entice fans for a weekend away and with some local population would be my preference 

Canberra ✔️
Gold Coast ✔️
Sunshine Coast ✔️

Anywhere else?? 

Even if Tourism NSW stump up the cash, at least we can hope for a suitable sized venue (BankWest or Moore Park) assuming no Sydney teams.
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Waz - 1 Dec 2020 11:13 PM
So are next years playoffs between 

victory
wsw
JETS
CCM


I would say Macarthur in place of Jets. New team should not get a free pass.
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Waz - 2 Dec 2020 8:01 AM
Without naming an intent or preference for the final it raises the possibility of it being put up for auction. 

I’m kind of okay with that (recognising the need for money) providing the FFA are sensible - no finals at ANZ just because Tourism NSW’s stump up cash. Locations that entice fans for a weekend away and with some local population would be my preference 

Canberra ✔️
Gold Coast ✔️
Sunshine Coast ✔️

Anywhere else?? 

Canberra is the logical choice. The national capital. Centrally located. Suitably sized stadium. I can imagine the local government really getting behind it too.
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Throwing an idea out there that I’m not attached to in any way so feel free to shoot down with abandon, but what if they rotated the location of the final on a yearly basis the same way they do for the Champions League, e.g. “Australia Cup 2021 - Road to Brisbane”, “Australia Cup 2022 - Road to Perth” etc. It’s a “neutral” venue (it may end up favouring a Brisbane/Perth side in the above examples if they made the final of course, but a permanent venue for the final has the same potential) and then rather than having an initial bidding war for a permanent home that inevitably Sydney or Melbourne is going to win, thus disenfranchising one of the two as well as the rest of the country, you can have a bidding war every year and every state has an opportunity to host a big event, every region that hosts gets the opportunity to pump up their region as a tourist destination to football fans. Have a rule that a state that hosts can’t host again for the next 2 years (to stop an endless back and forth between Sydney/Melbourne). Or for example if it’s at ANZ 2022, have a one year break from NSW and then 2024 NSW can host again but it’s at Wollongong this time) 

Obviously there are holes in the idea, the rotation works well in Europe because there are so many stadiums/cities which not only allow them to rotate, but still maximise profit by playing in the largest available stadia. Even setting a 15000 seat criteria minimum, that still leaves us with a very finite amount of places that can host. I just picture somewhere like Tasmania getting a final, watch the game but then stay on for a long weekend/couple of weeks and make a whole trip out of it. Of course the lack of proper stadia makes it unrealistic. 

If it’s a permanent location, I like the Canberra idea, create a new tradition. 

Also love all the points in the article, sounds very promising. Definitely headed in the right direction. 

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Canberra is the logical choice. The national capital. Centrally located. Suitably sized stadium. I can imagine the local government really getting behind it too.

How awesome would it be if the next announcement out of FA is that a new purpose built "home of Australian Football" stadium is to be built in Canberra? I think most fans would be happy with that as the home of the national cup final every year - I would be visiting at every opportunity.
Get Ampol on board and call the comp the "Ampol Cup". If advertised and broadcast correctly by the new FA it can become something quite good. A link between all of football for the first time in this country.
Already the NPL and State league clubs are crowing about this opportunity to qualify for a spot in Asia and bragging about going on cup runs and representing Australia in Asia... hahaha unrealistic sure, but nothing like a small dose of opportunity to fan the flames of ambition. Hope is a powerful driver in soccer and I wouldn't be surprised if a few cashed up old clubs spend up big on "name players" for the 2021 cup.  
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Monoethnic Social Club - 2 Dec 2020 11:09 AM
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How awesome would it be if the next announcement out of FA is that a new purpose built "home of Australian Football" stadium is to be built in Canberra? I think most fans would be happy with that as the home of the national cup final every year - I would be visiting at every opportunity.
Get Ampol on board and call the comp the "Ampol Cup". If advertised and broadcast correctly by the new FA it can become something quite good. A link between all of football for the first time in this country.
Already the NPL and State league clubs are crowing about this opportunity to qualify for a spot in Asia and bragging about going on cup runs and representing Australia in Asia... hahaha unrealistic sure, but nothing like a small dose of opportunity to fan the flames of ambition. Hope is a powerful driver in soccer and I wouldn't be surprised if a few cashed up old clubs spend up big on "name players" for the 2021 cup.  

Think they are pretty much pushing full steam ahead with the plans for St George Stadium over that, at least for the mens national teams. 

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df1982 - 2 Dec 2020 3:30 AM
In general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by.

Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup").

Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together?

It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas:
NSW: 4
VIC: 4
QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ)
NNSW: 2
SA: 2
WA: 2
ACT: 1
TAS: 1
NT: 1

Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup.
This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup."



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Nice. Scrolling for days due to the person who posted the entire article and in a giant font.

They need to change this competition to weekends. It's like they are too scared people might like this comp more than the A-League.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 2 Dec 2020 11:09 AM
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Hope is a powerful driver in soccer and I wouldn't be surprised if a few cashed up old clubs spend up big on "name players" for the 2021 cup.  

That would be brilliant. There is a couple of months between the end of the A League and the start of the round of 32. It will be interesting to see how A league teams approach the cup. Train straight through or have a miny off season. Some players may come off contract. Might see some A league clubs have their pants pulled down, especially those that missed  the A league finals.
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lost - 2 Dec 2020 11:27 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 2 Dec 2020 11:09 AM

That would be brilliant. There is a couple of months between the end of the A League and the start of the round of 32. It will be interesting to see how A league teams approach the cup. Train straight through or have a miny off season. Some players may come off contract. Might see some A league clubs have their pants pulled down, especially those that missed  the A league finals.

which is kinda what happens in the UK where they rest their senior players and there are some upsets.






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