The Aussies Abroad Thread 2


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grazorblade - 14 Feb 2021 12:08 AM
johnszasz - 14 Feb 2021 12:06 AM

i suspect from my time in the netherlands that this was a choice from the coach and he was just being a jerk. Everyone seems to speak fluent English there

Being a jerk might be a bit harsh. Maybe he is just proud of his language and culture. 
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CanberraHarry - 14 Feb 2021 10:23 AM
grazorblade - 14 Feb 2021 12:08 AM

Being a jerk might be a bit harsh. Maybe he is just proud of his language and culture. 

Proud is one thing. To not make sure ALL his players can understand wtf he is saying is another 
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CanberraHarry - 14 Feb 2021 10:23 AM
grazorblade - 14 Feb 2021 12:08 AM

Being a jerk might be a bit harsh. Maybe he is just proud of his language and culture. 

English is the common international language. Refusing to use it in a country like the Netherlands (where it’s spoken perfectly) as a means to ostracise the non-Dutch members of the squad, id say is further than jerk, more like outright c*nt.
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Dan_The_Red - 14 Feb 2021 12:43 PM
CanberraHarry - 14 Feb 2021 10:23 AM

English is the common international language. Refusing to use it in a country like the Netherlands (where it’s spoken perfectly) as a means to ostracise the non-Dutch members of the squad, id say is further than jerk, more like outright c*nt.

Haha nice!!
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Dan_The_Red - 14 Feb 2021 12:43 PM
CanberraHarry - 14 Feb 2021 10:23 AM

English is the common international language. Refusing to use it in a country like the Netherlands (where it’s spoken perfectly) as a means to ostracise the non-Dutch members of the squad, id say is further than jerk, more like outright c*nt.

So every single Dutch player must be fluent in English so that the one or two natural english speakers can understand? 
I understand a lot of people speak English there but if you work in a foreign environment it's lazy at best - arrogant and self-absorbed at worst if you do not learn it. 
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tsf - 14 Feb 2021 1:12 PM
Dan_The_Red - 14 Feb 2021 12:43 PM

So every single Dutch player must be fluent in English so that the one or two natural english speakers can understand? 
I understand a lot of people speak English there but if you work in a foreign environment it's lazy at best - arrogant and self-absorbed at worst if you do not learn it. 

Also understand he is only there on loan, but if you make the choice....
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tsf - 14 Feb 2021 1:12 PM
Dan_The_Red - 14 Feb 2021 12:43 PM

So every single Dutch player must be fluent in English so that the one or two natural english speakers can understand? 
I understand a lot of people speak English there but if you work in a foreign environment it's lazy at best - arrogant and self-absorbed at worst if you do not learn it. 

English is taught in schools, look luck finding someone there who can’t speak better English than your average Australian. It’s not lazy when English is the common international language. Pathetic from the coach really.
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German coaches speak German to players. I think it’s understood as part of playing abroad. In Balkans everyone speaks English but the staff are all talking in Serb/cro etc. to be expected. 

Also does the coach speak English well? If it’s for one average player maybe he couldn’t give a crap? 



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tsf - 14 Feb 2021 1:12 PM
Dan_The_Red - 14 Feb 2021 12:43 PM

So every single Dutch player must be fluent in English so that the one or two natural english speakers can understand? 
I understand a lot of people speak English there but if you work in a foreign environment it's lazy at best - arrogant and self-absorbed at worst if you do not learn it. 

I think it would be absurd for the coach to think he's going to speak Dutch fresh off the plane. It would take months for him to learn basic, football-related dutch, so in the meantime, the coach should be making sure he can understand instructions so that he can contribute to the team. If he didn't, and didn't make sure Arzani had access to instructions he could understand, it seems the coach maybe didn't approve of him signing for the club.

From a quick squiz on wiki, Utrecht signed two other foreigners this season who I have no reason to think speak Dutch. One is a backup keeper and hasn't played, the other guy has played less than 500 minutes this season, mostly off the bench.
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johnszasz - 14 Feb 2021 12:06 AM
Bit odd with Arzani. It would appear the coach was quite stern on local language and that's fine. However, you can't expect foreigners to immediately follow. Still, I hope Arzani took some steps to learn common phrases on the training pitch. Ryan tried with Spanish and uses it now. If yes, then he did his part, but if not, then no wonder the coach had a little more resentment. It all comes down to coach policy and player will. Some clubs hire interpreters. Some argue football has its own language anyway. 

Langerak gave German a good go while Leckie seems to be able to converse. Kruse didn't seem to do much and gave English interviews even after 8 years. Brazilians tend to just go with it and speak a lot. I remember Hannover using language barriers are reason for their shocking play and there might be something to it. A Swede, Dane and Japanese player standing over a free kick and the two runners and taker all collide into each other after the whistle blows with the ball still awaiting its fate.

its a bit worrisome if the swede and dane couldnt make themselves understood between them!


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maxxie - 14 Feb 2021 4:11 PM
tsf - 14 Feb 2021 1:12 PM

I think it would be absurd for the coach to think he's going to speak Dutch fresh off the plane. It would take months for him to learn basic, football-related dutch, so in the meantime, the coach should be making sure he can understand instructions so that he can contribute to the team. If he didn't, and didn't make sure Arzani had access to instructions he could understand, it seems the coach maybe didn't approve of him signing for the club.

From a quick squiz on wiki, Utrecht signed two other foreigners this season who I have no reason to think speak Dutch. One is a backup keeper and hasn't played, the other guy has played less than 500 minutes this season, mostly off the bench.

Yes I ageee he shouldn’t be expected to speak or straight away 
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No Gersbach or Arzani in AGF squad vs OB
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Tommy Rogic starting again, which is great to see. Caleb Watts makes another bench in the Premier League - hopefully he gets some minutes this game. 
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SoccerooFan - 14 Feb 2021 10:18 PM
Tommy Rogic starting again, which is great to see. Caleb Watts makes another bench in the Premier League - hopefully he gets some minutes this game. 

There are now only 4 (or 2 depending on how you classify them) academy players on Southampton’s bench. For Watts to be one of them is a great sign. 
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tsf - 14 Feb 2021 4:04 PM
German coaches speak German to players. I think it’s understood as part of playing abroad. In Balkans everyone speaks English but the staff are all talking in Serb/cro etc. to be expected. 

Also does the coach speak English well? If it’s for one average player maybe he couldn’t give a crap? 



 English seems almost the default in the netherlands whereas Germans mostly speak German from my experience
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Mileusnic bench
Goals for Inman in India and Montini in Romania


By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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tsf - 14 Feb 2021 4:04 PM
In Balkans everyone speaks English but the staff are all talking in Serb/cro etc. to be expected. 




What gave you this idea? Most people in the Balkans speak very poor English. Karacic apparently can’t speak it at all and he’s meant to be Australian.
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Ryan bench. Hrustic not subbed on yet. 
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76min for Rogic and a win. Full 90 for Cleur in and 3:2 loss. 
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Mabil scores with the last kick of the game. AGAIN! 
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johnszasz - 15 Feb 2021 5:56 AM
Mabil scores with the last kick of the game. AGAIN! 

Taken off him by VAR for offside, unfortunately.
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Hrustic on in the 90th minute of a 2-0 win over Koln, obviously didn't get to do much.

Full game for Holland in a 2-0 win against Sturm Graz.

Full game in a 2-2 draw for Burgess, potentially at LB again if my app is correct.

Ryan, Karacic unused subs, as was Watts in a 1-2 EPL loss to Wolverhampton.
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maxxie - 14 Feb 2021 4:11 PM
tsf - 14 Feb 2021 1:12 PM

I think it would be absurd for the coach to think he's going to speak Dutch fresh off the plane. It would take months for him to learn basic, football-related dutch, so in the meantime, the coach should be making sure he can understand instructions so that he can contribute to the team. If he didn't, and didn't make sure Arzani had access to instructions he could understand, it seems the coach maybe didn't approve of him signing for the club.

From a quick squiz on wiki, Utrecht signed two other foreigners this season who I have no reason to think speak Dutch. One is a backup keeper and hasn't played, the other guy has played less than 500 minutes this season, mostly off the bench.

Maybe Arzani is just an arrogant prick who can't rap his head around the fact he is so low on totem pole. Learning a few football related words and terms is piss easy. No one there would expect him to be fluent in the language, but they would appreciate the effort.
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what people are forgetting is Utrecht is a proud historic city known for its literature and works in the arts, its the city of learning all the Uni's are there.... they naturally have a desire for people to learn the local language... yes many speak English... but the city has deep ties with the history of the dutch people.

not learning the local language, looks disinterested in training, why have city even got this guy on their books?
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jas88 - 15 Feb 2021 10:53 AM
what people are forgetting is Utrecht is a proud historic city known for its literature and works in the arts, its the city of learning all the Uni's are there.... they naturally have a desire for people to learn the local language... yes many speak English... but the city has deep ties with the history of the dutch people.

not learning the local language, looks disinterested in training, why have city even got this guy on their books?

https://youtu.be/APr6lrz7Q80

yeah real easy to understand this guy. 
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Balin Trev - 15 Feb 2021 11:39 AM
jas88 - 15 Feb 2021 10:53 AM

https://youtu.be/APr6lrz7Q80

yeah real easy to understand this guy. 

if the bloke doesn't wanna learn a language then come back to the a-league, why are you even going to Europe? in 20 years he's going to look back in regret. Might actually make the Olympic squad if he did... do well at Olympics and relaunch his career.. but hes an idiot.
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jas88 - 15 Feb 2021 3:21 PM
Balin Trev - 15 Feb 2021 11:39 AM

if the bloke doesn't wanna learn a language then come back to the a-league, why are you even going to Europe? in 20 years he's going to look back in regret. Might actually make the Olympic squad if he did... do well at Olympics and relaunch his career.. but hes an idiot.

Yes only an idiot of a professional football coach would expect foreign players straight off the plane to understand EVERYTHING he says in dutch. It takes YEARS to learn a language like Dutch. Geez the Danes must be the kindest people on Earth to explain everything in both Danish and English to their pro footballers 😇
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jas88 - 15 Feb 2021 10:53 AM
what people are forgetting is Utrecht is a proud historic city known for its literature and works in the arts, its the city of learning all the Uni's are there.... they naturally have a desire for people to learn the local language... yes many speak English... but the city has deep ties with the history of the dutch people.

not learning the local language, looks disinterested in training, why have city even got this guy on their books?

This is quite literally one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on these forums, and that's saying something. 
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