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dr. bellows
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+x+x+xwe have about 30 #8's and #10's at a high standard but not many traditional 6's a bit of a tactician could probably make use of this Stensness could play the role of ball winner infront of the defence similar to Jedinak but with better passing. Metcalfe did well at the Olympics as the deepest midfielder so maybe he has somthing to offer. Jeggo and Dougall are probably at their ceiling now so arnt really the future. we really need friendlies to trial the best mid combinations given genreau, devlin, stensness, mcgree, hrustic, mooy, irvine and rogic all potentially in our best three (did I miss any?) Volpato. Maybe Luongo?
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quickflick
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+x+x+xThis idea that the development systems is shit is looking at naively, remember Volpato was part of the Sydney FC and WSW youth teams till he was 16 he was let go and this stuff happens because player development is linear and so could have stayed here at semi pro level at the NPL or try he's luck in Europe which he did. The lack of professional clubs outside of the a-league is really hurting the pathways here, who knows how many more Volpato's Rogic's are out there if they are not in a professional set up. Barca4Lifeit’s not an either or. Both of the following things can be true: * Player development isn’t (usually) linear * The development system in this country is shit Both are true, imo, in this case. I agree with your second paragraph, though. Really costly not having a professional second division (to say nothing of P/R). Still even with it, we’d still be a long way behind the stronger European countries, See this is where I disagree, recent transfers from a-league to Europe shows good is work is being done from benefiting in playing at home. There is plenty of good talent out there, anything to improve the level here can only be a good thing. Could you clarify specifically which point you disagree on? Are you saying you disagree with the notion that the development system in this country is shit? Fair enough, you’re entitled to your opinion. But if you contrast the type of players Australia is producing with the type of players that the just the mid-Euro teams are producing, we’re absolutely shithouse We’ve had to scout around European clubs to find a Croatian and two Scots with the paperwork necessary to play for Australia. One of those Scots has decided to move to the Middle-East. Sigh. In the past decade (even the past 15 years), our best players have been bits and pieces players who lack the overall quality to be sought after by the big clubs; Mooy, Rogic, Leckie, Kruse. At best, we can say that McGree, Tilio and Genreau are in the “promising” category. But that’s about it and, by world standards (for their age groups), none of them is going to be one of the first names that scouts write down on a list of paper. They still have a long way to go. I’ll contrast this with a mid-Euro team which I’m a bit familiar with. Sweden. Augustinsson at Sevilla Lindelöf at Man Utd Krafth at Newcastle Forsberg at Leipzig Ekdal at Sampdoria and then the ones who’ve come through the system more recently
Svanberg at Bologna
and the last two really stand out in terms of their skill levels
Isak at Real Sociedad
Kulusevski on loan to Spurs (from Juventus)
So, yeah, I really do think that, when you contrast Australia with other countries, our development system is shit.
We’re (rightly) really hopeful that General will be playing in Ligue 1 next season. Can you imagine what this forum if the Socceroos were playing for those kind of clubs?
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dr. bellows
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And I'll throw in a couple of others for consideration. Marco Tilio and, at 6, Keanu Bacchus. I've included Bacchus because he might improve considerably under a good coach, which he hasn't had for a fair while - if ever?
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quickflick
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By the way, Barca, I think Cristian Volpato is yet more evidence that the best Aussie youngsters leave as soon as they can; Kewell, Cahill, Vieri left really young (mid teens). Long way to go but Volpato may end up being added to that list. Most of the Golden Generation left before they were 21 (so fairly young). There are no anatomical or physiological differences between Aussie footballers and non-Aussie footballers.. Once again, it goes to this basic question - how many world-class footballers have ever done the later part of their development (17-21) in Australia? Probably none. How many have done that part of their development in Germany? Italy? England? France? Spain? Portugal? The Netherlands?
If a footballer stays too long in Australia the gap between them and the European-developed players becomes a gulf. And they really create a sort of ceiling for themselves (or their potential). They need to leave as soon as possible, if their goal is to become a world-class footballer.
The Americans have realised this. Pulisic, Reyna, Weah and Pepi all left for Europe really young. The first two, certainly, appear to have realised that development system in the United States is greatly inferior to Germany.
I don’t get why so many on this forum are defensive about the football in Australia. You can’t hope to get better at handling a problem if you can’t even acknowledge it in the first place.
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quickflick
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+x+x+x+xThis idea that the development systems is shit is looking at naively, remember Volpato was part of the Sydney FC and WSW youth teams till he was 16 he was let go and this stuff happens because player development is linear and so could have stayed here at semi pro level at the NPL or try he's luck in Europe which he did. The lack of professional clubs outside of the a-league is really hurting the pathways here, who knows how many more Volpato's Rogic's are out there if they are not in a professional set up. Barca4Lifeit’s not an either or. Both of the following things can be true: * Player development isn’t (usually) linear * The development system in this country is shit Both are true, imo, in this case. I agree with your second paragraph, though. Really costly not having a professional second division (to say nothing of P/R). Still even with it, we’d still be a long way behind the stronger European countries, See this is where I disagree, recent transfers from a-league to Europe shows good is work is being done from benefiting in playing at home. There is plenty of good talent out there, anything to improve the level here can only be a good thing.
We’re (rightly) really hopeful that General will be playing in Ligue 1 next season.
Genreau, not General*
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+x
There are no anatomical or physiological differences between Aussie footballers and non-Aussie footballers.. Once again, it goes to this basic question - how many world-class footballers have ever done the later part of their development (17-21) in Australia?
Probably none.
Mark Viduka says hi
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Genreau starting.
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+xBy the way, Barca, I think Cristian Volpato is yet more evidence that the best Aussie youngsters leave as soon as they can; Kewell, Cahill, Vieri left really young (mid teens). Long way to go but Volpato may end up being added to that list. Most of the Golden Generation left before they were 21 (so fairly young). There are no anatomical or physiological differences between Aussie footballers and non-Aussie footballers.. Once again, it goes to this basic question - how many world-class footballers have ever done the later part of their development (17-21) in Australia? Probably none. How many have done that part of their development in Germany? Italy? England? France? Spain? Portugal? The Netherlands?
If a footballer stays too long in Australia the gap between them and the European-developed players becomes a gulf. And they really create a sort of ceiling for themselves (or their potential). They need to leave as soon as possible, if their goal is to become a world-class footballer.
The Americans have realised this. Pulisic, Reyna, Weah and Pepi all left for Europe really young. The first two, certainly, appear to have realised that development system in the United States is greatly inferior to Germany.
I don’t get why so many on this forum are defensive about the football in Australia. You can’t hope to get better at handling a problem if you can’t even acknowledge it in the first place. Maybe hes thinking after hes time at WSW was like, either I stay in the NPL system or I try to make it Europe? Ive got no problem with players going overseas providing that have a euro passport and they embrace the challenges of being in an Euro academy especially a top club side like Roma otherwise there is nothing wrong trying to establish in the a-league either as we seen with recent transfers. Each to their own really, its just the FA have to cast the net wide as possible when identifying talent here and overseas because we cant afford to miss out on a potential gem like him.
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Arzani not in squad again
Have i missed something ?
Last game late January
Injured or working on a move ?
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+xArzani not in squad again Have i missed something ? Last game late January Injured or working on a move ? Doubt he's working on a move... he's still in the CFG system at Lommel and you would think he's be given every opportunity to prove himself. He may be injured, it's pretty hard to find any details on his status. As others have pointed out it could just be an attitude-related issue. Shame he's still not at Celtic... I could see Ange drilling a few home truths into him.
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Josh
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JRB, mcgree starting
bilokapic, Burgess bench
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+xJRB, mcgree starting bilokapic, Burgess bench no elder, circati, Middlesbrough game on Kayo now Sweet
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johnszasz
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Hope Elder is OK. Full game on weekend. Hot squad currently so not out of place to rest and focus on next weekend.
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McGree set up Middlesbrough's goal
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johnszasz
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Apparently McGree playing very well tonight. Lots of positivity on twitter.
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Bilokapic went from being #2 GK for Huddersfield in the Championship to being #2 GK for Hartlepool in League 2.
Some really poor loan moves for our Aussies of late if you include the Kuol situation.
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+xBilokapic went from being #2 GK for Huddersfield in the Championship to being #2 GK for Hartlepool in League 2. Some really poor loan moves for our Aussies of late if you include the Kuol situation. https://www.htafc.com/news/2022/january/chapman-recalled-as-bilokapic-leaves-on-loanChapman is Australian, right?.. Also AMB out of favour but it was a decent run. Wonder what Charlton will do?
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+xBilokapic went from being #2 GK for Huddersfield in the Championship to being #2 GK for Hartlepool in League 2. Some really poor loan moves for our Aussies of late if you include the Kuol situation. he was #3 with zero chance of becoming #1 at Huddersfield
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Muscat's Yokohama taking on Kawasaki.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xMuscat's Yokohama taking on Kawasaki. After 65 minutes Yokohama turn a 1 - 0 half time deficit to a 3 - 1 lead. Great Football.
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thank the lord for OS, the best app I pay for football.
Love Football
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AMB been out injured following Rangers game apparently. Hoping to see him back at Dingwall in next week or so. Charlton fans want him as the number one at moment following those comments by Rob Elliot / Ben Foster https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/ross-county-stopper-ashley-maynard-23181380
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Yeah he smashed his face in and was on the bench nearly every game since but thankfully there's some positive movement. I hope Charlton take his first half of season into account if he doesn't return to action.
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Karacic starting
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Dougall starting.
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Karacic full game in a win. His team are now top. Let's hope they continue winning rest of the season
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+xKaracic full game in a win. His team are now top. Let's hope they continue winning rest of the season So irvine, genreau and karacic all in teams looking likely for promotion metcalfe and mcgree also a chance of playing first division next year
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Mcgree has to start against Japan
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feels weird to have socceroos playing overseas but not getting picked in the 11 to play for the national team, still sticks with the a-league boys lol
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