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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg! It’s a hellava lot more than just England that do it this way. And a fair few that don't, especially in South America. You need a degree to figure out some of their systems.
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+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. Most Finals Series crowd are casual supporters, who hardly would attend a normal game of the round. I have fellow football mates and friends would attend a Finals game only, I'm sure this isn't rare but the norm BUT you quote most other football fans ? yer the followers of nrl/afl tag along to watch a finals game I guess and general public. Ofcourse they would rate a Finals game who wouldn't as long as its a good one and the colours you follow win thats how it goes here having followed the main opponents Finals Series, doesn't mean its right but good entertainment nonetheles BUT it does take away from the Premiers Plate big time. We all have grown up here, gayfl/nrl has ruined it all for the Premier - it means nothing to the general spectator but the GF winner. Same goes in our motor racing for years, the Championship winner is shaded by the Bathurst 1000 winner.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg! So, X sth americans don't know what really occurs outside their box, much like many one eyed americans. Let me get this straight, your columbian mate is ignorant to some of their most famous footballers who went abroad to euro leagues, like Falcao,Hammers Rodriguez,Asprilla, Cuadrado, Martinez and many more famous earlier on.....like come on they have/are all playing in leagues that have first past the post ! He's pulling you or visa versa with all due respect. My Chilean mate knows all their top players playing abroad and know all too well how it all works. Just as we would re our own playing abroad, you marvelled at the Kewells/Dukes etcetc for their you own playing abroad you follow their seasons - I don't buy it.
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+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. Not just Aleague fans BTW Pala... Ask most NPL and old NSL fans the same question and you will get many misty eyed tales of finals glory... There are plenty of wrongs with soccer in this country but finals isn't one of them. Now a lop sides draw where teams can play some teams 3 times and other only twice is absolute balls for example.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't know why you people want to devalue the finals to such an extent. If it doesn't matter who wins them, we might as well not hold them. But with no relegation and no finals, there'll be nothing to play for except the premiership. At least now, there's some interest in who gets in the finals. There's something to be gained by finishing 4th or 5th instead of 7th. Eliminating the finals as something to strive for will make the league unimaginably dull. There will still be finals. And people will still care about them. Practically nobody gives a shit about the ACL anyway, and it's usually just a drag on club resources. Certainly none of the other professional sports in Australia have a champions league (or relegation) and people still seem to like their finals, even though 'it doesn't matter who wins them'. It does matter in the other codes. Minor premiership doesn't mean anything. It is widely understood that the winner of the grand final is the champion of the season. Only in football do so many people insist on emphasising the home and away winner as the true champion, which makes sense but is no fun. The finals provide a much needed boost of excitement in a static league with no promotion or relegation, but they only provide that if they mean something. If people have decided that minor premiership is all that matters and there's no incentive or benefit to winning the finals, what the hell are they there for? I agree that an ACL place isn't that much of an incentive anyway, but it's something. It sounds entirely absurd that winning the mickey mouse ffa cup carries more weight and reward that winning the grand final. It's funny how different people look at it. As a Sydney FC fan in 2018-2019, we were 2nd by 8 pts to Perth Glory in the premiership & beat them in a penalty shootout, no way did I feel that SFC were the champion team that year, we were 2nd best. 2017-18, we won the league by 14 pts & beat Melb Victory by 23 pts, but lost to MV in semis in xtra time who went on to win GF, no way did I see MV as the Champion team that year & SFC was the champions in my eyes. Unfortunately, we have to go by which teams actually win the title(s), we can't all just decide who we think are the winners in our eyes. In both cases, both the teams won titles, SFC in 2017-18, we won the premiership by 14 pts. We were the best team that year, lost a semis in xtra time. I celebrated our premiership win In 2018-19 Perth Glory won the premiership by 8pts, lost in a lucky penalty shootout, Perth Glory was the best team better then the SFC team. I didn't celebrate. Have a look at the images from when Sydney won the premiership and championship, compare the players reactions. It is probably right to say that winning the premiership is a fairer reflection of who the best team for the season has been, as compared to the championship winners. However, it is clear that the players mentality is about winning the GF, that is the ultimate prize. It is also clear from crowd sizes, TV etc that the finals and GF are of higher relevance to the vast majority of fans compared to winning the premiership. Yes, there can be 'injustices' along the way by having the ultimate prize through a final series, but your claim of only celebrating premierships and not championships (if I take your word for it) puts you firmly within the minority opinion. And that is fine, but the game should recognise and adhere to the majority view on this issue. Maybe not celebrating the win was not worded correctly by me. I celebrated the Grand Final win. However, in most sports in Australia this is recognised as the being the best team of the year. I didn't celebrate the winning of the 2018/19 GF on a Penalty shoot out after finishing 8 pts behind Perth Glory as being the best team of the year. In 2017/18, we won the premiership by 14 pts & 23 pts ahead of Melbourne Victory, who beat us in Xtra time & went on to win the GF. They played well in the final series, but in my humble opinion, you would struggle to convince me that Sydney FC was not far & away the best team that year & winning the premiership by 14 pts proved that.
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+x+x+xbut but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity To have first past the post then you must play every team equally home and away. Currently that is only 22 games per season, Cleary at least 10 games too few. Very key point.... How Afl and recently AL has been getting away with an unfair draw every year and not being brought up on anti-corruption or conspiracy to manipulate a sporting contest for financial benefit charge from CAS is baffling. Epecially considering how many gambling products are offered for both of these codes.... AFL is a shit Melbourne sport, so who cares, just wished it stayed in Melbourne.
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