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Numerous reports of athletes dropping with heart problems. The "true believers" will defend it by saying that those, like Sergio Aguero, already had the condition. The "true believers" are not persuaded by explanations from doctors such as Dr. Peter McCullough, who explain that these new technology substances exacerbate conditions that are there already. In other words, Dr McCullough's explanation shows that these existing conditions would not have been otherwise triggered at this point in time, if not for the introduction of the substance into their bodies. 


https://www.bitchute.com/video/bCWdpsIlb3b8/
THREE (VACCINATED) FOOTBALLERS COLLAPSE IN ENGLAND IN THE SAME MATCH


https://philosophers-stone.info/2021/11/03/germany-long-list-of-athletes-who-suddenly-died-or-were-seriously-ill-over-75-known-cases-in-the-last-5-months/


https://report24.news/ab-13-jahren-lange-liste-ploetzlich-verstorbener-oder-schwerkranker-sportler/


https://toknow.uk/germany-long-list-of-athletes-who-suddenly-died-or-were-seriously-ill-over-75-known-cases-in-the-last-5-months/


https://newzworldtoday.com/report-75-european-fully-vaccinated-athletes-have-died-or-became-seriously-ill-from-sudden-heart-attacks-in-the-past-5-months/


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/devastating-video-mountain-bike-national-title-winner-kyle-warner-diagnosed-pericarditis-taking-pfizer-vaccine-ending-career/


https://welovetrump.com/2021/11/12/99-fully-vaccinated-uc-berkeley-football-team-postpones-game-due-to-44-covid-19-cases/


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/29-year-old-mountain-bike-national-title-winner-kyle-warner-diagnosed-pericarditis-taking-pfizer-vaccine-career-ruined-video/


https://t.me/craigkelly/1346

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cesspit - 17 Nov 2021 7:22 PM
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When Pfizer are now admitting, in writing, (see below) that it will require more than 5 years of further research to test the long term consequences of myocarditis and pericarditis from vaccines, it is truly astounding the hidden genius talent that you can unearth on an Aussie football websites, where a person named "cesspit" can instantly give you the information - whereas Pfizer now say they need more than 5 years. That is a sign of a "true believer".

https://twitter.com/Gerard39delaney/status/1457868536957870087?

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johnsmith - 17 Nov 2021 8:43 PM
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When Pfizer are now admitting, in writing, (see below) that it will require more than 5 years of further research to test the long term consequences of myocarditis and pericarditis from vaccines, it is truly astounding the hidden genius talent that you can unearth on an Aussie football websites, where a person named "cesspit" can instantly give you the information - whereas Pfizer now say they need more than 5 years. That is a sign of a "true believer".

https://twitter.com/Gerard39delaney/status/1457868536957870087?

the TGA says the approved vaccines are safe and effective.  This is the end of the story.

Twitter & Facebook are full of misinformation from science deniers and right wing extremists that has been debunked by reputable fact checkers.
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cesspit - 17 Nov 2021 8:54 PM
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the TGA says the approved vaccines are safe and effective.  This is the end of the story.

Twitter & Facebook are full of misinformation from science deniers and right wing extremists that has been debunked by reputable fact checkers.

The above statement is the hallmark of a true believer.

You realise that this issue of vaccine safety is constantly evolving. Every few weeks, you'll hear various countries withdrawing approval of certain vaccines because of new emerging evidence. That's where the true science is: a continuous checking of facts and past assumptions, based on the latest data.

Whereas, to some blokes on the street, the definition of "science" is following 100% what the TGA says.



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cesspit - 17 Nov 2021 8:54 PM
johnsmith - 17 Nov 2021 8:43 PM

Twitter & Facebook are full of misinformation from science deniers and right wing extremists that has been debunked by reputable fact checkers.

I just re-read your statement.

Did you realise that the Twitter link I gave you directs you to the FDA's own government website? This is taking you to primary data.

This is a good illustration of how, no matter what data is given to people, there will be a good percentage of society who are trained to ignore everything except what the official Media tells them.
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cesspit - 17 Nov 2021 8:54 PM
johnsmith - 17 Nov 2021 8:43 PM

the TGA says the approved vaccines are safe and effective.  This is the end of the story.

Twitter & Facebook are full of counter narratives from people who question what a handful of MSM channels and The Science (TM, Pfizer 2021) tells them they are supposed to think and has been countered by "independent" fact checkers, ergo this means they must be far right extremists and are a danger to Society (TM, Globocorp 2021)

Fixed it.

And before you label me an antivaxxer, I am headed overseas in less than a month so either:

a) I am, in fact, fully vaccinated or
b) I found a way to fake my vaccination record and the government will never find out about it because I am magic



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changing other members posts is against forum conduct

this is the kind of behaviour I would expect from flat-earthers
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Ok then:

Twitter & Facebook are full of counter narratives from people who question what a handful of MSM channels and The Science (TM, Pfizer 2021) tells them they are supposed to think and has been countered by "independent" fact checkers, ergo this means they must be far right extremists and are a danger to Society (TM, Globocorp 2021)

(And the Earth is spherical, but well done for using another shaming term popular with midwits as a thought-terminating argument. You still have Nazi, white supremacist, MAGAtard, boomer and racist left on your bingo card).



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conspiracy theorists join dots between normal, unrelated and explainable events then claim there is a connection and pattern, when there simply isn't one

see "The Number 23" as an example of this

there is a confirmation bias to making events fit the conspiracy and everything you see is part of it
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cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 12:32 PM
conspiracy theorists join dots between normal, unrelated and explainable events then claim there is a connection and pattern, when there simply isn't one

see "The Number 23" as an example of this

there is a confirmation bias to making events fit the conspiracy and everything you see is part of it

You realise that "confirmation bias" cuts both ways?

When there is a discernible pattern of problems, there are two options - dismiss it as nonsense, or investigate it. People with confirmation bias dismiss it, and refuse to investigate. e.g. a person with confirmation bias would refuse to even click any of the above list of links. They are certain it is nonsense without needing to see it (blind faith, true believer).

For example, as of this week, the Australian TGA's own online database shows just under 700 Covid vaccine-deaths in just 10 months -- this compares to the TGA data of 59 vaccine-deaths in the past 50 years for ALL other 76 vaccines combined.

You cannot say this is misinformation because the data is online for anyone to check on the TGA's website.

A sensible person will agree that this should be investigated, whereas a person with "confirmation bias" will instantly, without giving a second thought, fight hard to say that this nothing to see.



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johnsmith - 18 Nov 2021 12:42 PM
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You realise that "confirmation bias" cuts both ways?

When there is a discernible pattern of problems, there are two options - dismiss it as nonsense, or investigate it. People with confirmation bias dismiss it, and refuse to investigate. e.g. a person with confirmation bias would refuse to even click any of the above list of links. They are certain it is nonsense without needing to see it (blind faith, true believer).

For example, as of this week, the Australian TGA's own online database shows just under 700 Covid vaccine-deaths in just 10 months -- this compares to the TGA data of 59 vaccine-deaths in the past 50 years for ALL other 76 vaccines combined.

You cannot say this is misinformation because the data is online for anyone to check on the TGA's website.

A sensible person will agree that this should be investigated, whereas a person with "confirmation bias" will instantly, without giving a second thought, fight hard to say that this nothing to see.



Keep raging John. I get my best medical science information third hand.


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johnsmith - 18 Nov 2021 12:42 PM
cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 12:32 PM

You realise that "confirmation bias" cuts both ways?

When there is a discernible pattern of problems, there are two options - dismiss it as nonsense, or investigate it. People with confirmation bias dismiss it, and refuse to investigate. e.g. a person with confirmation bias would refuse to even click any of the above list of links. They are certain it is nonsense without needing to see it (blind faith, true believer).

For example, as of this week, the Australian TGA's own online database shows just under 700 Covid vaccine-deaths in just 10 months -- this compares to the TGA data of 59 vaccine-deaths in the past 50 years for ALL other 76 vaccines combined.

You cannot say this is misinformation because the data is online for anyone to check on the TGA's website.

A sensible person will agree that this should be investigated, whereas a person with "confirmation bias" will instantly, without giving a second thought, fight hard to say that this nothing to see.



that's been debunked as they are only REPORTS of deaths which is an unreliable metric
the TGA have examined each case and concluded there are less than 10 that are related to adverse events

this is what happens when you rely on Facebook MDs as your rumour sources
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Munrubenmuz - 18 Nov 2021 1:09 PM
johnsmith - 18 Nov 2021 12:42 PM

Keep raging John. I get my best medical science information third hand.

If any of you are interested, I can show you how to search the TGA website. That way, if you do the online search yourself, then you know for yourself that there were just under 700 Covid vaccine-deaths in just 10 months -- compared to the TGA data of 59 vaccine-deaths in the past 50 years for ALL other 76 vaccines combined.

That's just deaths. Let alone heart attacks and Myocarditis and Pericarditis.

If you turn from being a person that just slurps up whatever the Media propaganda machine tells you -- do becoming a person that actually goes to the TGA website and goes the search yourself, and you see these numbers appear on your screen. Then the lightbulb goes on that the vast majority of people are refusing to see the data.

Here's a tip. Every time someone sends you an article that is said to be "conspiracy theory". My suggestion is: Do not read it, but instead, click the link in the article that takes you to the primary data source. Test the primary data source. Don't go by the article that someone wrote.

Here I'm challenging you to go to the TGA's own database and do the search yourself.

Once you see, from your own search on the TGA website, that there has been an approximately 700x increase in Australian vaccine deaths in 2021, then it does not seem so ludicrous about reports of sportsmen in Europe having so many cases of heart problems all at the same time.


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If any of you are interested, I can show you how to search the TGA website. That way, if you do the online search yourself, then you know for yourself that there were just under 700 Covid vaccine-deaths in just 10 months -- compared to the TGA data of 59 vaccine-deaths in the past 50 years for ALL other 76 vaccines combined.

That's just deaths. Let alone heart attacks and Myocarditis and Pericarditis.

If you turn from being a person that just slurps up whatever the Media propaganda machine tells you -- do becoming a person that actually goes to the TGA website and goes the search yourself, and you see these numbers appear on your screen. Then the lightbulb goes on that the vast majority of people are refusing to see the data.

Here's a tip. Every time someone sends you an article that is said to be "conspiracy theory". My suggestion is: Do not read it, but instead, click the link in the article that takes you to the primary data source. Test the primary data source. Don't go by the article that someone wrote.

Here I'm challenging you to go to the TGA's own database and do the search yourself.

Once you see, from your own search on the TGA website, that there has been an approximately 700x increase in Australian vaccine deaths in 2021, then it does not seem so ludicrous about reports of sportsmen in Europe having so many cases of heart problems all at the same time.


see my above post
which should address your concerns
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Here I'm challenging you to go to the TGA's own database and do the search yourself.


Much easier if you linked the source of you claim as you're the one making it. Then I can read your claim, investigate it and give it due consideration.

Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter, ummm, is it Dr Smith?


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johnsmith - 17 Nov 2021 7:06 PM
Numerous reports of athletes dropping with heart problems. The "true believers" will defend it by saying that those, like Sergio Aguero, already had the condition. The "true believers" are not persuaded by explanations from doctors such as Dr. Peter McCullough, who explain that these new technology substances exacerbate conditions that are there already. In other words, Dr McCullough's explanation shows that these existing conditions would not have been otherwise triggered at this point in time, if not for the introduction of the substance into their bodies. 


https://www.bitchute.com/video/bCWdpsIlb3b8/
THREE (VACCINATED) FOOTBALLERS COLLAPSE IN ENGLAND IN THE SAME MATCH


OK. I've looked at the very first link you've posted and there is no corroborating evidence of '3 footballers' collapsing in the same match anywhere on the web.

The match they are referring to in that clip is Bristol City vs West Brom when they ran a defibrillator into the crowd to treat a fan. 

Nathan Baker was the player stretchered off with a neck injury. A fan was treated before the match and the match was delayed due to another fan suffering a cardiac arrest. (Hence the defib.)

https://www.nytimespost.com/west-brom-go-second-in-the-championship-after-breezing-past-bristol-city-in-match-twice-delayed/
https://www.besoccer.com/new/game-sees-two-medical-urgencies-and-one-player-stretchered-off-1059135

If a simple 30 second search can debunk this stupid claim then this tells me 2 things about you. You are wilfully ignorant and lack critical thinking and research skills to DYOR and you are a fuckwit.

I should have known when a headline off to the side on that page said this. The COVID PCR test is a ploy to harvest your DNA, and poison you at the same time. 

Shut the fuck up idiot.





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Much easier if you linked the source of you claim as you're the one making it. Then I can read your claim, investigate it and give it due consideration.

Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter, ummm, is it Dr Smith?

he seems to be lost in space
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Is there a way to post image files? The Insert+ button allows posting videos, but does not seen to allow posting image files, e.g. JPEG PNG.
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mods I think this thread falls under the vaccine misinformation conspiracy theories category
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johnsmith - 18 Nov 2021 4:58 PM
Is there a way to post image files? The Insert+ button allows posting videos, but does not seen to allow posting image files, e.g. JPEG PNG.

No response champ to your debunked garbage?

No apology, no embarrassment on your part?

Clown.


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cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 5:03 PM
mods I think this thread falls under the vaccine misinformation conspiracy theories category

Nah let him go. He's just showing how thick people are that end up down these rabbit holes.

It's basically a community service announcement.


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the pandemic of the unvaccinated is the greatest threat to public health right now

the EU has shown the way by ordering a lock down of the unvaccinated to stop the spread in the colder months

will Australia follow suit?  I see they are already banning the unvaccinated from most public places however there is still a weak spot in public parks, particularly in city areas which could easily become superspreaders.  Either we follow the EU solution or perhaps a more nuanced approach would be to ban the unvaccinated from these parks.  Police would be able to do spot checks of the digital apps to enforce it.

Until we have completed the dedicated national quarantine facilities around the nation there remains a real risk in public parks.

Apartment buildings are another risk factor we should turn attention to.  Some of these buildings may contain unvaccinated and could potentially be a disaster waiting to happen.

What is the best way forward? 
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cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 7:27 PM
the pandemic of the unvaccinated is the greatest threat to public health right now

the EU has shown the way by ordering a lock down of the unvaccinated to stop the spread in the colder months

will Australia follow suit?  

Nah won't happen. (Or at least I don't think it will.) Scomo said today in reply to Qld putting up restrictions to unvaxxed people that once the state reaches 80% he reckons vaxxed and unvaxxed should have the same freedoms.

Will be a few interesting months.

My opinion is now that everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated then just open up the country and let it rip otherwise what's the point of being vaxxed.




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cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 7:27 PM

Nah won't happen. (Or at least I don't think it will.) Scomo said today in reply to Qld putting up restrictions to unvaxxed people that once the state reaches 80% he reckons vaxxed and unvaxxed should have the same freedoms.

Will be a few interesting months.

My opinion is now that everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated then just open up the country and let it rip otherwise what's the point of being vaxxed.


because there are too many hold outs who are a major risk to public health

they need to be dealt with one way or another

imagine 1 in 4 people could be a carrier
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cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 7:27 PM
the pandemic of the unvaccinated is the greatest threat to public health right now

To see the data for yourself, here is a video that shows you how to search the TGA’s website for vaccine deaths:

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/2UpqLfNcSiNY/

https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspx

That the nature of these MRNA vaccines is that - instead of injecting an inert fragment of the dangerous virus - these are a new technology that injects a code that turns your your body’s own cells into factories for the spike proteins.

The immunity, that this new technology vaccines is so vastly different to all earlier conventional vaccines, is very specific to one type of variant, and thus leaves a person needing un-ending future boosters.

Because your body’s cells are turned into factories for the dangerous spike proteins, which are not inert, these artificial spike proteins themselves can cause disease symptoms. Hence, a lot of the breakthrough cases are speculated to actually be caused by the spike proteins that have been created by the cells in your body, under instruction from the messenger mRNA.

This is why we are seeing major spikes in Covid cases in many of the highest-vaccine rates countries in the world, and those countries are having to resort to 3rd boosters, which are warned as being dangerous by the FDA’s panel of advisors.

There are numerous whistleblower videos of doctors from hospitals around the world debunking the narrative of this being a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. These doctors and nurses are testifying that their ICU wards are full of vaccinated people.

What these doctors are suggesting is that the hospitals are full of people suffering damage from the vaccines.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XYnO5WFDS5WB/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKfGT2loLGXx/

Hence, you are now seeing highly-vaccinated Gibraltar having to be shut down for Christmas. This is counter-intuitive to the Media’s mantra of this being a “pandemic of the vaccinated”.



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Munrubenmuz - 18 Nov 2021 8:28 PM
cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 7:27 PM

Nah won't happen. (Or at least I don't think it will.) Scomo said today in reply to Qld putting up restrictions to unvaxxed people that once the state reaches 80% he reckons vaxxed and unvaxxed should have the same freedoms.

Will be a few interesting months.

My opinion is now that everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated then just open up the country and let it rip otherwise what's the point of being vaxxed.


Scomo really is a dickhead. Pure partisan rubbish.
Lockdowns could still happen, if they do they would be more targetted than previously. I don't think it will purely down to the vaccination rates by the time we get to our winter (including boosters which I hope most will take up).

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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It's scary to think that there are people this dumb in our society.

Trumps strategists/Russians were simply genius to see the potential of appealing to these utter morons. 
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Munrubenmuz - 18 Nov 2021 8:28 PM
cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 7:27 PM

Nah won't happen. (Or at least I don't think it will.) Scomo said today in reply to Qld putting up restrictions to unvaxxed people that once the state reaches 80% he reckons vaxxed and unvaxxed should have the same freedoms.

Will be a few interesting months.

My opinion is now that everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated then just open up the country and let it rip otherwise what's the point of being vaxxed.


Bingo.

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The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...




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Munrubenmuz - 18 Nov 2021 8:28 PM
cesspit - 18 Nov 2021 7:27 PM

Nah won't happen. (Or at least I don't think it will.) Scomo said today in reply to Qld putting up restrictions to unvaxxed people that once the state reaches 80% he reckons vaxxed and unvaxxed should have the same freedoms.

Will be a few interesting months.

My opinion is now that everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated then just open up the country and let it rip otherwise what's the point of being vaxxed.


Yup. I think QLD and WA are lagging behind and will hit 80% on 11/12 December. Once that happens, we should do a slow opening up like NSW/VIC. In the meantime, they should probably look at 5-11 year olds getting the shot. 

As for the 700 deaths, we're comparing that against how many COVID deaths in Australia? Against the total vaccinated? Almost proves that vaccines are worth it.
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