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+x+xSeems like lots of athletes are collapsing and dying during performance. However its important to remember that theres more chance of developing myocarditis through covid than the vaccine. So while its possible these heart attacks etc are caused by the vaccine, thats largely because theres far more vaccinated athletes than those whove had covid. Youvr got to look at the big picture and not just isolated sets of data that support your opinion. its wrong to say there is no risk with the vaccine, it seems that if youre relatively young and male youve got around a 1 in 5000 risk of getting myocarditis and possibly consigning yourself to a heart attack at some stage. Thats signifiicant. Likewise its wrong to say theres less risk in catching covid, as covid fatality rates across all age groups, gender etc outpaces those of the vaccine. I think the TGA just need to be honest about the risks rather than sweeping it under the rug for fear of emboldening the anti vax crowd. its one of the things that makes people skeptical of the authorities when they deliberately hide and redact certain data to achieve a broader social outcome which they feel justifies the need to be dishonest. I think your post is reasonable apart from 2 things. I'm not sure where you've gotten your 1 in 5000 risk? Latest TGA safety data puts it at 8.5 per 100,000 for males 12 to 17 which is more like 1 in 12,500 (and those numbers aren't necessarily directly caused by the vaccine, just that it happened after a vaccination). https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/tga-updates-post-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-ratesSecondly what evidence do you have that they're sweeping things under the carpet? The basis of almost all Johnsmith's rubbish in this post is that they're not hiding anything and reporting every death and every major side effect even when they haven't determined it was caused by the vaccine or not. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210913/The-rate-of-vaccine-induced-heart-inflammation-in-children.aspx“In August 2021, the Federal Drug Administration identified a potential 1:5,000 risk of myocarditis developing in teenaged males. The CDC also reported an approximately 95% hospitalization rate for myocarditis-related adverse vaccine events.” If you compare the TGA data the rate is increasing with every report release, for example the latest report has it at 8.5 per 100k, compared to the previous report at 7.1, compared to the 28/10 report at 6.7. My evidence is that there is the little public acknowledgment of the risks from the vaccines by government agencies, medical authorities and mainstream media. This is clearly a taboo subject as to publicly canvass risks of the vaccines will lead to accusations of being anti vax. Unfortunately our culture does not permit intelligent rational debate about vaccine efficacy and safety, its very much about forcing as much vaccine compliance as possible over and above individual concerns.
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You have to wonder which poster roosty is. 4 posts in and straight into the quagmire of vaccinate hesitancy. Baffling.
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+xYou have to wonder which poster roosty is. 4 posts in and straight into the quagmire of vaccinate hesitancy. Baffling. My initial thought was Rusty but he hasn't blamed lefties for myocarditis yet so probs not him.
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+x+xYou have to wonder which poster roosty is. 4 posts in and straight into the quagmire of vaccinate hesitancy. Baffling. My initial thought was Rusty but he hasn't blamed lefties for myocarditis yet so probs not him. You guys are such conspiracy theorists! He is a long time reader and felt the need to step in during this dire time!
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+x+xSeems like lots of athletes are collapsing and dying during performance. However its important to remember that theres more chance of developing myocarditis through covid than the vaccine. So while its possible these heart attacks etc are caused by the vaccine, thats largely because theres far more vaccinated athletes than those whove had covid. Youvr got to look at the big picture and not just isolated sets of data that support your opinion. its wrong to say there is no risk with the vaccine, it seems that if youre relatively young and male youve got around a 1 in 5000 risk of getting myocarditis and possibly consigning yourself to a heart attack at some stage. Thats signifiicant. Likewise its wrong to say theres less risk in catching covid, as covid fatality rates across all age groups, gender etc outpaces those of the vaccine. I think the TGA just need to be honest about the risks rather than sweeping it under the rug for fear of emboldening the anti vax crowd. its one of the things that makes people skeptical of the authorities when they deliberately hide and redact certain data to achieve a broader social outcome which they feel justifies the need to be dishonest. I think your post is reasonable apart from 2 things. I'm not sure where you've gotten your 1 in 5000 risk? Latest TGA safety data puts it at 8.5 per 100,000 for males 12 to 17 which is more like 1 in 12,500 (and those numbers aren't necessarily directly caused by the vaccine, just that it happened after a vaccination). https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/tga-updates-post-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-ratesSecondly what evidence do you have that they're sweeping things under the carpet? The basis of almost all Johnsmith's rubbish in this post is that they're not hiding anything and reporting every death and every major side effect even when they haven't determined it was caused by the vaccine or not. roosty just got nuked you have to wonder what the motivation is of these misinformation peddlers there seems to be a strong correlation between white supremacy and vaccine conspiracy theories
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+xYou have to wonder which poster roosty is. 4 posts in and straight into the quagmire of vaccinate hesitancy. Baffling. What’s baffling? The TGA withdrew the AZ vaccine for under 60s based on 1 in 100k risk of blood clots. In some countries Moderna has been withdrawn for similar serious side effects. If those countries and authorities can engage in “vaccine hesitancy” why can’t individuals exercise similar judgement in regards to themselves and their children?
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roosty
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+x+x+xSeems like lots of athletes are collapsing and dying during performance. However its important to remember that theres more chance of developing myocarditis through covid than the vaccine. So while its possible these heart attacks etc are caused by the vaccine, thats largely because theres far more vaccinated athletes than those whove had covid. Youvr got to look at the big picture and not just isolated sets of data that support your opinion. its wrong to say there is no risk with the vaccine, it seems that if youre relatively young and male youve got around a 1 in 5000 risk of getting myocarditis and possibly consigning yourself to a heart attack at some stage. Thats signifiicant. Likewise its wrong to say theres less risk in catching covid, as covid fatality rates across all age groups, gender etc outpaces those of the vaccine. I think the TGA just need to be honest about the risks rather than sweeping it under the rug for fear of emboldening the anti vax crowd. its one of the things that makes people skeptical of the authorities when they deliberately hide and redact certain data to achieve a broader social outcome which they feel justifies the need to be dishonest. I think your post is reasonable apart from 2 things. I'm not sure where you've gotten your 1 in 5000 risk? Latest TGA safety data puts it at 8.5 per 100,000 for males 12 to 17 which is more like 1 in 12,500 (and those numbers aren't necessarily directly caused by the vaccine, just that it happened after a vaccination). https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/tga-updates-post-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-ratesSecondly what evidence do you have that they're sweeping things under the carpet? The basis of almost all Johnsmith's rubbish in this post is that they're not hiding anything and reporting every death and every major side effect even when they haven't determined it was caused by the vaccine or not. roosty just got nuked you have to wonder what the motivation is of these misinformation peddlers there seems to be a strong correlation between white supremacy and vaccine conspiracy theories
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Dr Nick Coatsworthy joining the quagmire of vaccine hesitancy by recommending against mandatory vaccinations for young children. 😅
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+xDr Nick Coatsworthy joining the quagmire of vaccine hesitancy by recommending against mandatory vaccinations for young children. 😅 who?
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Have we got a death toll yet from the weekend’s matches?
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+xHave we got a death toll yet from the weekend’s matches? 0 another tinfoil conspiracy theory obliterated by facts
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+x+xHave we got a death toll yet from the weekend’s matches? 0 another tinfoil conspiracy theory obliterated by facts You sound like the kind of tool who proudly wears a 'ive been vaccinted' t shirt.
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+x+x+xHave we got a death toll yet from the weekend’s matches? 0 another tinfoil conspiracy theory obliterated by facts You sound like the kind of tool who proudly wears a 'ive been vaccinted' t shirt. Where do you buy those? Can I get one?
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+x+x+xHave we got a death toll yet from the weekend’s matches? 0 another tinfoil conspiracy theory obliterated by facts You sound like the kind of tool who proudly wears a 'ive been vaccinted' t shirt. I know I'd be more popular than someone wearing an anti-vax t-shirt
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+x+x+x+xHave we got a death toll yet from the weekend’s matches? 0 another tinfoil conspiracy theory obliterated by facts You sound like the kind of tool who proudly wears a 'ive been vaccinted' t shirt. Where do you buy those? Can I get one? https://www.redbubble.com/shop/?query=i%27ve%20been%20vaccinated&ref=search_box
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just ordered for the whole family
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Wigan striker Charlie Wyke becomes third footballer to collapse this weekWyke was admitted to hospital after collapsing during training on Thursday https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/25/wigan-striker-charlie-wyke-becomes-third-footballer-collapse/
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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It's a cover up, maaaaaaan
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hundreds of players have died on the pitch over time. Maybe it was the measle vaccines.
Seriously, I am sick of treading the water with these anti-vaxxers. They're complete and utter spastics.
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They need defibrillators like we fought so hard to get everywhere in NSW. https://footballnsw.com.au/protection-and-safety/first-aid-defibrillators/
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maybe Long Covid or an other but at least requires investigating offically otherwise i will have to get my boots back on
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Of course the dramatic reports of footballers and sportspeople suffering heart attacks is a reflection of this happening in the general population. For example, I just did a search of the TGA DAEN database, and limited it to Myocarditi disorders (heart): https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspxReports of Myocarditis arising from Covid vaccines, date range: 2021 -- 643 incidents, 3 deathsReports of Myocarditis arising from all other vaccines, date range: 1971-2021 -- 5 incidents, 1 deathI invite you to do the search yourself: https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-report.aspxBUT, and here's the big factor. If you review the Covid discussion threads on these forums, it's like a portrait of how the general population feel about vaccines. See the ridicule that people are subjected to, who even suggest something is very wrong. That is why, in this video, doctors such as Dr. Aseem Malhotra face an uphill battle to just give out the data, because they face the hostility of the Masses, where anything that goes against the Mainstream is powerfully mocked and ridiculed as conspiracy. https://youtu.be/gJ8t0qQ5R4Iand here, in case the above is eventually censored: https://rumble.com/vourrz-dr-aseem-malhotra-cardilogolo-y-la-falsificacin-de-datos-en-los-ensayos-de-.html
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+xOf course the dramatic reports of footballers and sportspeople suffering heart attacks is a reflection of this happening in the general population. For example, I just did a search of the TGA DAEN database, and limited it to Myocarditi disorders (heart): https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspxReports of Myocarditis arising from Covid vaccines, date range: 2021 -- 643 incidents, 3 deathsReports of Myocarditis arising from all other vaccines, date range: 1971-2021 -- 5 incidents, 1 deathI invite you to do the search yourself: https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-report.aspxBUT, and here's the big factor. If you review the Covid discussion threads on these forums, it's like a portrait of how the general population feel about vaccines. See the ridicule that people are subjected to, who even suggest something is very wrong. That is why, in this video, doctors such as Dr. Aseem Malhotra face an uphill battle to just give out the data, because they face the hostility of the Masses, where anything that goes against the Mainstream is powerfully mocked and ridiculed as conspiracy. https://youtu.be/gJ8t0qQ5R4Iand here, in case the above is eventually censored: https://rumble.com/vourrz-dr-aseem-malhotra-cardilogolo-y-la-falsificacin-de-datos-en-los-ensayos-de-.html 🤣🤣🤣
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+x+xOf course the dramatic reports of footballers and sportspeople suffering heart attacks is a reflection of this happening in the general population. For example, I just did a search of the TGA DAEN database, and limited it to Myocarditi disorders (heart): https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspxReports of Myocarditis arising from Covid vaccines, date range: 2021 -- 643 incidents, 3 deathsReports of Myocarditis arising from all other vaccines, date range: 1971-2021 -- 5 incidents, 1 deathI invite you to do the search yourself: https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-report.aspxBUT, and here's the big factor. If you review the Covid discussion threads on these forums, it's like a portrait of how the general population feel about vaccines. See the ridicule that people are subjected to, who even suggest something is very wrong. That is why, in this video, doctors such as Dr. Aseem Malhotra face an uphill battle to just give out the data, because they face the hostility of the Masses, where anything that goes against the Mainstream is powerfully mocked and ridiculed as conspiracy. https://youtu.be/gJ8t0qQ5R4Iand here, in case the above is eventually censored: https://rumble.com/vourrz-dr-aseem-malhotra-cardilogolo-y-la-falsificacin-de-datos-en-los-ensayos-de-.html 🤣🤣🤣 How should you talk to friends and relatives who believe conspiracy theories?https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-55350794
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+x. See the ridicule that people are subjected to, That is because you're a complete imbecile putting everyone's safety at risk. And worse you think you know more about something that people have dedicated their life to, while you just google welovetrump.com Seriously, you deserve all the ridicule you get and more tbh.
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+x+x. See the ridicule that people are subjected to, That is because you're a complete imbecile putting everyone's safety at risk. And worse you think you know more about something that people have dedicated their life to, while you just google welovetrump.com Seriously, you deserve all the ridicule you get and more tbh. Rather than following the Cancel-Culture prevalent in our society, I am a man of science, and insist on dealing with emerging data, even if it contradicts earlier widely-held assumptions. I am man enough to take whatever insults are thrown at me, because I need people to respond to data and evidence, not just mock and jeer. Here is a journal article from the prestigious CIRCULATION journal, published 16 November 2021 by the American Heart Association. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712Abstract "Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test … The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients. … These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac. We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination."There comes a point where society will divine into two groups: those that refuse to question anything that the government doctors say, versus those that are willing to at least consider the contrary data.My stance is not fixed. I consider all emerging data. Whereas I get the impression yours is anchored to whatever the government doctors say?
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But none mention come even close to the class and style of Nigel Mansell, when it comes to falls and collapses 😁😄
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+x+x+x. See the ridicule that people are subjected to, That is because you're a complete imbecile putting everyone's safety at risk. And worse you think you know more about something that people have dedicated their life to, while you just google welovetrump.com Seriously, you deserve all the ridicule you get and more tbh. Rather than following the Cancel-Culture prevalent in our society, I am a man of science, and insist on dealing with emerging data, even if it contradicts earlier widely-held assumptions. I am man enough to take whatever insults are thrown at me, because I need people to respond to data and evidence, not just mock and jeer. Here is a journal article from the prestigious CIRCULATION journal, published 16 November 2021 by the American Heart Association. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712Abstract "Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test … The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients. … These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac. We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination."There comes a point where society will divine into two groups: those that refuse to question anything that the government doctors say, versus those that are willing to at least consider the contrary data.My stance is not fixed. I consider all emerging data. Whereas I get the impression yours is anchored to whatever the government doctors say? first off the article is NOT peer reviewed second I just did a quick google of the author and he is widely regarded as a discredited quack
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