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+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! so he's only better at stopping shots, gee whiz..........................................................
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I’m wiping egg off my face. Well done, Arnie. And the entire team.
Commiserations to the Peruvians. That was brutal, as football goes
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+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Mark Schwarzer was a far better shot-stopper, imo. Also that Uruguayan side was a different level to this Peruvian side, with all due respect to the Peruvians. They had Alvaro Recoba, Diego Lugano and a whole bunch of players who were regulars in the big leagues.
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+xI wonder if Lyndon Dykes is not regretting his decision. Boyle and Souttar won't be! I also wonder whether us being at the World Cup, and Italy not, could see Volpato and/or Circati commit to Australia after all. Especially since 2026 onwards is a 48 team world cup, so we should really expect to be in every world cup for a good time to come, as long as we aren't complacent. Yeah, Arnie (and maybe Vinnie Grella) should swoop now. They should be working on bringing along Cristian Volpato and Garang Kuol. If you combine them with Martin Boyle’s instinct, speed and experience, our attack no longer looks one-dimensional. To say nothing of what Manuel and Tilio bring
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+x+xI wonder if Lyndon Dykes is not regretting his decision. Boyle and Souttar won't be! I also wonder whether us being at the World Cup, and Italy not, could see Volpato and/or Circati commit to Australia after all. Especially since 2026 onwards is a 48 team world cup, so we should really expect to be in every world cup for a good time to come, as long as we aren't complacent. Yeah, Arnie (and maybe Vinnie Grella) should swoop now. They should be working on bringing along Cristian Volpato and Garang Kuol. If you combine them with Martin Boyle’s instinct, speed and experience, our attack no longer looks one-dimensional. To say nothing of what Manuel and Tilio bring Mabil*
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+x+x+xGreat to get the win and the team played more like a team that wanted to win than we have been gifted for some time. But let's not forget that Arnie's ideal striker is one who chases a lot as his primary indicator of performance. I saw three times that Duke ran into space and missed and I have to wonder if Maclaren would have done better in those moments. I like to think he would while also acknowledging the chasing role and how it both helped limit the creativity of Peru and gained the ball back for us. Arnie got us there the hardest way possible, and just maybe he is going to hang around for the WC itself - which will mean more shit selections, more questionable tactics, and selections based on his baked on ideas about what makes a team. The team played a fantastic game compared to earlier in the qualification process, but we still played a lot of Arnie ball in that second half when we helped Peru to get to penalties by pissing around in the backline and passing backwards - when pressing and going forward were both proving to be such an effective limiter of Peru's attacking options and gave us chances. The result was a sprightly Peru in the last half of extra time when they should have been dead on their feet halfway through the second half of normal time - and they did look like pinching the win then. There is nothing 'unAustralian' about not loving Arnie and being able to see his failings beyond the victory. I do not believe he has seen the light or the error of his ways and we still should have beaten Peru in normal time. Did it make the victory so much sweeter getting there with no fingernails at the end of an intense penalty shootout? Bloody oath it did. Genuinely pumped about the win and how the players stood up. Hopeful and excited about the next stage of our testing. Mindful of the gaffer's limitations still. I usually agree with your opinions, RIMB. However, regarding Duke's selection and Arnie's coaching, I disagree. Given we don't have a big, imposing, tall target striker like Josh Kennedy, or, Mark Viduka, ATM, Mitch Duke's selection has been plausible as central striker. He caused quite a few turnovers in the attacking half of the pitch against Peru - this is a phenomenon of modern football. If teams win the ball high up the pitch, in our Attacking Transitions, it is very dangerous for the opposition. Alex Brosque, Matt Leckie and Brett Holman, have all been very good at this too. Particularly at the instant of the turnover, our Attacking Transitional phase of play, invariably the opposition players are running off the ball to support the ball carrier advancing forwards. Many of the opposition team are just a few more seconds slower to reconfigure into a defensive shape after being in an offensive shape in these high up the pitch turnover scenarios. In the Ball Possession Opposition phase of play they have to cover the teammates and make the pitch smaller and more compact - very quickly. Again causing these turnovers in the attacking third is invaluable. A team can catch them out of shape. It is also advantageous suddenly having the opposition chasing, and having to defend running towards their own goal and keeper. Moreover, Duke is the type of striker, who does not need pinpoint service like Maclaren. Despite the Melb City striker being the more clinical finisher. The likes of Kennedy, Duke and Leckie, are more likely to win loose balls, or second balls than JMac. In addition, given Duke's incredible engine, he is particularly effective at tracking back and keeping the defensive shape compact in our Ball Possession Opposition. Most strikers haven't got the engine to do it. Although JMac has been more effective recently. Moving the ball around at the back probing for gaps to build up forwards is the axiom in international football. Peru did it too. One Chilean media article anointed Aaron Mooy as best player on the pitch, for controlling the tempo of play, which caused them to lose the game. They had to run more than they would have liked. Australia wasn't able to do this in the past, because technically, we weren't good enough to maintain possession and build up from the pack, with rhythm changes. From watching extended highlights the Socceroos should have won in 90 mins. Admittedly, Peru had three chances in quick succession in the second half of extra time. I think it was due to the impact to Peru's fresh subs. Over the game we had more scoring chances though. We are not that far apart. I agree with most of what you have said - my slightly dismissive nod to Duke's effectiveness in acknowledging his 'chasing'. The moments I mentioned where I wondered about Maclaren were the instinctive striker moments. Games are not lost by forcing a turnover deep in opposition territory - but they are equally not won by creating chances that are not converted. They are two sides to the defenwsive/offensive coin. I would like to think that Maclaren would have been in position to receive the ball those times (and also run into some of those crosses we put across to nobody in particular) and that one of them would have been put in the net. It is not a certainty - I know we can all agree on that. I guess the key point is that we don't have a big, imposing, clinical finisher - and in the absence Arnie clearly prefers someone big to run round with a big engine over a more pinpoint striker who does require service - or at least space to operate. I see my mighty Roar creating brilliant opportunities that no-one puts away and I think that colours my perspective when I see similar results to our national team raids. The one player (Duke) represents the 90 minutes that a game is fought over - the other (Maclaren) represents the few pivotal moments that can decide the outcome. Besart Berisha was a combination of the two and his like would probably be ideal for us. Personally I would prefer the clinical finisher who only shows up once in a game to take the points with the accompanying frustration of struggling to get the ball off the opposition - over the high pressure, tempo forcing forward who wins unlikely balls with the accompanying frustration of missing created chances. What you say makes sense strategically and tactically with the forward options we have. It just goes against what I want my striker to be doing. As far as Arnie's choices - using Leckie as a centre forward when his effectiveness is significantly greater in a wider position says to me that he sacrifices too much to try and create in life the picture he has in his head of how we need to play. Duke probably works best in a 442 where any turnovers generated can be immediately capitalised on by a clinical striker. Perhaps Duke and MacLaren would be effective. However, we then lose a midfielder where we are rich with choice. Swings and roundabouts.
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+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Yes!! I saw the same fucking interview from Schwarzer.. the guy is an absolute wanker, sorry, but it's true. Everytime i've heard him interviewed he's somehow trying to elevate himself or correct perceived past wrong comitted against him - eg reckons gus wasn't a great coach and shouldnt take credit for any of the 06 success saying his management was poor. Slams steve McLaren too saying he lacked good judgement overall as a manager just because mclaren didnt do what he wanted (i think schwarezer wanted to be transferred) - like fair enough he had a falling out with them but they both were successul managers. And everytime talks about the roos he talks them down as if his generation and he himself were pele, beckenbauer maradonna. He should remember the last 2 caps he played for oz he conceded 12 goals.
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+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Mark Schwarzer was a far better shot-stopper, imo. Also that Uruguayan side was a different level to this Peruvian side, with all due respect to the Peruvians. They had Alvaro Recoba, Diego Lugano and a whole bunch of players who were regulars in the big leagues. I'd always prefer Schwarzer in a team that sits back just as I'd always prefer Ryan in a team that plays a high line.
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+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Mark Schwarzer was a far better shot-stopper, imo. Also that Uruguayan side was a different level to this Peruvian side, with all due respect to the Peruvians. They had Alvaro Recoba, Diego Lugano and a whole bunch of players who were regulars in the big leagues. Lugano was playing for Sao paulo at the time but yes he was absolute quality. That Sao paulo team ended up world champions too. Agree that Uruguay team were better than this peru team.
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+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Yes!! I saw the same fucking interview from Schwarzer.. the guy is an absolute wanker, sorry, but it's true. Everytime i've heard him interviewed he's somehow trying to elevate himself or correct perceived past wrong comitted against him - eg reckons gus wasn't a great coach and shouldnt take credit for any of the 06 success saying his management was poor. Spider was saying the same thing though. Said that the dressing room was in the dark about team selections so close to the game that they were shitting themselves. Would that make both of them wankers in your eyes?
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The other thing about Schwarzer is I was never convinced he was great under pressure. Guus was right to be unconvinced about him on the big stage, imo. I know he made crucial saves in the Uruguay penalty shootout but the mentality is different. The goalkeeper isn't a villain if he doesn't pull off a save so the weight of expectation is much less.
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Fair points about Schwarzer. I couldn't stand him in his his early 2000 Socceroos days. Bear in mind he's become a journalist and reporter to this kind of wording is used to get a reaction. He did achieve things.
I think the GG as a collective feel very very good about how they were as a team. The nostalgia may go to their heads a bit in interviews and the comparison with the current bunch who performed poorly in parts allows themselves to be elevated.
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+xFair points about Schwarzer. I couldn't stand him in his his early 2000 Socceroos days. Bear in mind he's become a journalist and reporter to this kind of wording is used to get a reaction. He did achieve things. I think the GG as a collective feel very very good about how they were as a team. The nostalgia may go to their heads a bit in interviews and the comparison with the current bunch who performed poorly in parts allows themselves to be elevated. Just about any player that turns pundit is going to start attracting criticism when doing that job, with the obvious exception if they go the Bozza route and outright entertain people. I think it's best that people screw their heads back on and judge what a footballer does by his football, and what a media pundit does by his punditry. He wasn't on the optus floor while he was in Kaiserslautern now was he, nor was he keeping 151 premiership clean sheets in the commentary box. Can't handle pressure, lol. Some big calls being made in the pressure cooker environment of anonymous online forums
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+x+xFair points about Schwarzer. I couldn't stand him in his his early 2000 Socceroos days. Bear in mind he's become a journalist and reporter to this kind of wording is used to get a reaction. He did achieve things. I think the GG as a collective feel very very good about how they were as a team. The nostalgia may go to their heads a bit in interviews and the comparison with the current bunch who performed poorly in parts allows themselves to be elevated. Just about any player that turns pundit is going to start attracting criticism when doing that job, with the obvious exception if they go the Bozza route and outright entertain people. I think it's best that people screw their heads back on and judge what a footballer does by his football, and what a media pundit does by his punditry. He wasn't on the optus floor while he was in Kaiserslautern now was he, nor was he keeping 151 premiership clean sheets in the commentary box. Can't handle pressure, lol. Some big calls being made in the pressure cooker environment of anonymous online forums Yeah I feel there's a split from playing and punditry and people change over time. When you sit behind a desk you forget things. At least in the secret agent sense. I think Schwarzer does a sound job and doesn't have any malice. I can imagine he's had some media coaching and they've probably told him you've got to make statements to stand out and have them discussed by the public, which we're doing here right now.
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+x+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Yes!! I saw the same fucking interview from Schwarzer.. the guy is an absolute wanker, sorry, but it's true. Everytime i've heard him interviewed he's somehow trying to elevate himself or correct perceived past wrong comitted against him - eg reckons gus wasn't a great coach and shouldnt take credit for any of the 06 success saying his management was poor. Spider was saying the same thing though. Said that the dressing room was in the dark about team selections so close to the game that they were shitting themselves. Would that make both of them wankers in your eyes? Spider has never said that guus was a bad coach though, infact quite the opposite. Schwarzer actually talks guus down as if he wasn't a great coach and didn't contribute to our success.
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+x+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Mark Schwarzer was a far better shot-stopper, imo. Also that Uruguayan side was a different level to this Peruvian side, with all due respect to the Peruvians. They had Alvaro Recoba, Diego Lugano and a whole bunch of players who were regulars in the big leagues. Lugano was playing for Sao paulo at the time but yes he was absolute quality. That Sao paulo team ended up world champions too. Agree that Uruguay team were better than this peru team. Paolo Montero the captain who was in his last season with Juventus. Diego Forlan was in la liga and killing it with Villareal...think he got injured in the 1st leg. From memory they were very heavily la liga/serie A based. 1-2 in Bundesliga as well.
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Bailey Wright was a bit unsteady at times v UAE as Atkinson was being skinned by the UAE winger and he was having to come across to help him.However very good versus Peru-he and Rowles were tops.
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Thought that although Atkinson started nervous he is getting better, still very young. Rowles and Wright both good. Mooy frustrates me, although in BPO he is usually little more than a traffic cone, 8 out of 10 passes are back passes and when striking usually takes an unnecessary touch and gets shut down instead of snap striking, in this game his ability to calm the team and retain possession were exactly what was needed. Also wish he could slit through a splitting pass more. Leckie isn't a straight out striker, way better on the wing. Boyle shocked Peru, pity Arnie couldn't unlock him in the second. A cagey game in which we reverted a bit to the Australia of 20 plus years ago in terms of long balls and physicality, but that was what was required to disrupt the Peruvians own attacking mentality and as a result they rarely got into their own rythm. Damn they have some good players, but they could rarely find their own rythm
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+xBailey Wright was a bit unsteady at times v UAE as Atkinson was being skinned by the UAE winger and he was having to come across to help him.However very good versus Peru-he and Rowles were tops. Rowles rightly got a lot of plaudits, he was steady and composed and where he was supposed to be. But for me Wright was immense and deserves equal appreciation for his game. Who would have thought, even one month ago, that we would be starting Wright and Rowles? And that they would be so assured? I doubt many had them even in their squad 3 months ago.
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+xThought that although Atkinson started nervous he is getting better, still very young. Rowles and Wright both good. Mooy frustrates me, although in BPO he is usually little more than a traffic cone, 8 out of 10 passes are back passes and when striking usually takes an unnecessary touch and gets shut down instead of snap striking, in this game his ability to calm the team and retain possession were exactly what was needed. Also wish he could slit through a splitting pass more. Leckie isn't a straight out striker, way better on the wing. Boyle shocked Peru, pity Arnie couldn't unlock him in the second. A cagey game in which we reverted a bit to the Australia of 20 plus years ago in terms of long balls and physicality, but that was what was required to disrupt the Peruvians own attacking mentality and as a result they rarely got into their own rythm. Damn they have some good players, but they could rarely find their own rythm Mooy was the best player on the park. He was back to his best. For a long period in the second half in particular, he was controlling the centre of the field and setting the tempo and setting up plays, including forward thrusts. The Peruvian press recognised him as the best on the park. A big part of the reason Peru´s good players could not find their rhythm is because Mooy was dictating the Rythm (whilst less technical players like Irvine and Leckie were working their asses off to close off space and breaks) If Mooy brings that to the world cup, it really strengthens us a lot. Also a shout out to Boyle for his defensive efforts. He was threatening in the first half, but in that second half he worked really hard to get back. I had never before recognised that part of his game.
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+x+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! Yes!! I saw the same fucking interview from Schwarzer.. the guy is an absolute wanker, sorry, but it's true. Everytime i've heard him interviewed he's somehow trying to elevate himself or correct perceived past wrong comitted against him - eg reckons gus wasn't a great coach and shouldnt take credit for any of the 06 success saying his management was poor. Spider was saying the same thing though. Said that the dressing room was in the dark about team selections so close to the game that they were shitting themselves. Would that make both of them wankers in your eyes? Take that with a grain of salt frrm both of them Guus sad : "We weren't happy with both of our goal keepers". And for good reason. Both had poor games at the WC. Almost catastrophically so. Schwarzer making a mess for the Japan goal and Kalac well lets just say I'm still not convinced that he didn't have bet somewhere to throw the game. Both looked ashamed sitting on the bench. Rightly so- Guus would have told them exactly what he thoiught of their performances and more importantly did something about it by dumping them to the bench.
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+xI’m wiping egg off my face. Well done, Arnie. And the entire team. Commiserations to the Peruvians. That was brutal, as football goes Good that you've admitted it. You have had a lot to say doubting the current Socceroos, QF.
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+xI think the GG as a collective feel very very good about how they were as a team. The nostalgia may go to their heads a bit in interviews and the comparison with the current bunch who performed poorly in parts allows themselves to be elevated. There are GG members who have been more circumspect in the media - Brett Emerton, Stan Lazaridis, Josip Skoko, Josh Kennedy and Marco Bresciano. Also, the ones who've coached tend to be analytical and can pinpoint aspects of players and teams' strengths and weaknesses, without the need to make absolute positive /negative comments about players or teams in their entirety. John Aloisi, Kevin Muscat, Tony Vidmar, Paul Ikon and Tony Popovic come to mind. However, if a few too many of the other so called GGs have had their egos stroked and enlarged by being at big clubs, perceiving a sense of entitlement, then it isn't particularly useful in the context of Australian football. The game struggles enough for recognition as it is in Australia.
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I think people forget how good a man manager Guus was, his coaching style was OK, but the way he could manipulate the players was where his real strength was.
He made the players play the way he required them to, his holding back of Harry was a perfect example. Another was the way he got the players comfortable before japan.
I think alot of the old players don't see it because they were the subject of it.
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+x+xI've seen a lot of YT videos today about the game - mostly in Spanish. I must have seen the same one somewhere where the Peruvian pundits laughed at us! Another video where Peru fans thought they would walk it in! Another one, which I'm getting really fed up with, was Mark Schwarzer stating how the Socceroos would likely lose, because we are a really weak team compared to his amazing high quality Golden Generation teams. Sorry, Mark, but your amazing GG Socceroos did no better qualifying against a South American team in 2005 than today! Both Socceroo teams won by penalties. Also, given there are four facets of a keeper's play: 1. Shot stopping 2. Coming off one's line and commanding the penalty box. 3. Playing as sweeper with one's feet. 4. Distribution by throwing and rolling the ball. Australia has improved immeasurably as a team since Mark's retirement, because Matt Ryan is better at 2, 3 and 4 than Mark, and similar quality at 1. So our keeping for the Socceroos has been better since Mark retired! so he's only better at stopping shots, gee whiz.......................................................... I'm not sure I said Schwarzer was a better shot stopper than Ryan is? We have a few keepers on here who can comment with more authority on Ryan v Schwarzer's shot stopping ability.
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+x+xAustralia faced Peru in a penalty shoot-out last night for a place at the World Cup... Australian keeper Andrew Redmayne noticed that Peru's keeper had instructions on his water bottle 👀 Redmayne threw the bottle over the advertising boards 😂 Incredible shithousery 👏 Throwing to the stand sounds more abrasive. He just put it away to avoid tripping. So i was there last night and sat behind the goals with the aussie fans and we all saw redders do it. Meanhwhile the Peru keeper didn't notice, so when he walked back to his drink bottle we were all anticipating it and the look on his face when he realised he bottle was gone was priceless hahaha Everyone gave it the big aussie "wheyyyyyyyyyyyyy" and proceeded to give it to him. That's so great, what amazing memories
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Decentric 2
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+x Mooy frustrates me, although in BPO he is usually little more than a traffic cone, 8 out of 10 passes are back passes and when striking usually takes an unnecessary touch and gets shut down instead of snap striking, in this game his ability to calm the team and retain possession were exactly what was needed. Also wish he could slit through a splitting pass more. This is a poor appraisal of players in Australia, including one A League coach I've met - talking about players passing back all the time. Players generally pass the ball to where the best passing option is. It is the responsibility of the players off the ball, to open the best passing lanes possible and support the ball possessor, in order to build up forwards. This sometimes means checking - feinting one way, then moving in another direction to shake one's marker, in order to create space. Mooy is an intelligent player with good vision. He usually passes to the player in the best position to build up forwards if he can. Sadly, he is declining in his ability to disturb build ups by breaking up attacks when they have the ball. However, he still anticipated and won some good tackles, plus made some timely intercepts against Peru.
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