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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. The Syria poster wasn't a ricochet--it was a miss. Happens every week all over the world. The ricochet for France was pure random arse goal. It depends on your definition of ricochet. In the Syria game, the ball ricocheted (un)favourably off the post. They do happen every week. Often multiple every match. If you want a word that's applicable to ricochets off a player but not ricochets off the post, then I'd go with "deflection". Deflections also happen every week. Especially in crowded areas. Both deflections and hitting the post are (un)lucky for whichever team. Granted, hitting the post usually means not on target. Bit different for deflections, which are also a bit trickier for goalkeepers. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. As for their penalty you can bet your house that the penalty doesn't get given at the other end. As an example of referee bias, look at the extra time they gave Germany against Sth Korea. You think Sth Korea would get those minutes if they're 1 down against Germany. The WC finals have never been a level playing field. Maybe. That potentially has some merit. But marginal, at best. I don't think the refereeing was so biased as to give Australia reason to say "we was robbed!!!!" I think it's more productive to say - they didn't play well enough, that's for sure.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. I think we were unlucky against France too. At the same time I agree with you about Syria hitting that post. We were very lucky. I seem to remember Sains should have possible conceded a penalty too against Syria - which was not awarded. We were a bit unlucky, sure. As were Syria. But I don't think it was unlucky to the extent of saying we should have won/drawn, although I don't think anybody has quite said that, to be fair.
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+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. i think they smashed us in Russia, and we arguably had a better team, certainly had a better manager. I dont think GA has ever won a game with the socceroos in which we didnt have the better team on paper..... i personally think we will probably lose 3-1 or 2-nil but i am hopeful anything can happen in football - but make no mistake Peru are not 'mugs' they got some decent players Compare that Peru team to the one now though.. no more Fanfan or Guerroro or Pizarro. 3 of their legends If anything their team is similar to ours and thrown in the fact we are playing them at sea level in a ground we've recently won in I think actually makes us favourites
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+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. Frankly, if a team doesn't qualify directly in Asia, then they don't have much to complain about (qualification-wise), imo. During their qualification campaign, Sweden beat Spain and then failed to top the group, went to the repechage and lost to Poland. So Sweden isn't going to Qatar. Imagine if Australia beat Spain in a WCQ, it would probably be celebrated as the greatest ever moment for an Australian men's football team. Then look at Africa. One team from each group goes through to the play-offs. In the play-offs, Egypt (with Mohamed Salah) draws Senegal (with Sadio Mane). Either way a team featuring one of the best attacking footballers in the world isn't going through. We're in the repechage play-offs against a team which has had to finish ahead of Colombia. They've got Luis Diaz, Duvan Zapata, Juan Cuadrado, etc. CAF is cutthroat. They really need to have groups in the final round to balance out the matches. 5 groups of 5 or something gives everyone enough of a chance to get in.AFCON every two years crams their schedule. How about CAF playoff against UEFA? 5 best runner ups against the 5 best UEFA runner ups? The new, bigger WC makes me wonder how the AFC will be. They wouldn't do two legged ties as the groups generate much more in match numbers and draw it out well (painfully for some). 8 slots for 2026 so 4 groups of 6 with the top two perhaps? That's a fair call, John. CAF's current qualification pathway is brutal.
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+xJust read an article that someone alluded to - QF? Dominic Bossi - couldn't remember which South American team we played at Russia WC 2018? It was Peru. Even though Milligan lauded them as the best team we played in Russia (France out of form against us), which might have been true, it was almost totally our weakness in Ball Possession and finishing in the attacking third that killed us. In the other two thirds of the pitch in Ball Possession, and the three thirds in Ball Possession Opposition, I thought we at least matched Peru. Their South American ranking was higher then. Arguably we have better goal converters than Leckie, Juric and Kruse in that game. The chances they collectively missed were pretty bad. Peru qualified higher up the WCQ table last time in the South American Confederation. Even reading that article we should not fear them. Spot on. Bvm basically said the same thing in press conference saying we got the ball in the final third a lot but after that was little creativity and poor finishing
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+x+xJust read an article that someone alluded to - QF? Dominic Bossi - couldn't remember which South American team we played at Russia WC 2018? It was Peru. Even though Milligan lauded them as the best team we played in Russia (France out of form against us), which might have been true, it was almost totally our weakness in Ball Possession and finishing in the attacking third that killed us. In the other two thirds of the pitch in Ball Possession, and the three thirds in Ball Possession Opposition, I thought we at least matched Peru. Their South American ranking was higher then. Arguably we have better goal converters than Leckie, Juric and Kruse in that game. The chances they collectively missed were pretty bad. Peru qualified higher up the WCQ table last time in the South American Confederation. Even reading that article we should not fear them. Spot on. Bvm basically said the same thing in press conference saying we got the ball in the final third a lot but after that was little creativity and poor finishing Iirc, when I heard/read what he said, he appeared staggered that a team could have the ball in the final-third so much and not score, or at least not create decent chances chances. His game plan was predicated on the idea that the team had some level of creativity and finishing ability. Alas, they didn't. Otherwise, it was a completely sound game plan. So BvM was just incredulous that we could be that bad up front, given we were cohesive in other parts of the park. That's how I remember interpreting his reaction. But it's fairly vague. I don't remember exactly what he said so I might be misterpreting.
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Said the coach who played our best goal scorer for a total of 30 minutes over 3 games.
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So much for Taggart being on the first flight back to Japan after UAE game as Arnie said. On Thursday, Taggart did light duties at training while Sainsbury did not train at all. Suddenly sounds like Sainsbury is the less likely to play. Gotta wonder if Arnie is keeping us all on our toes, or if he genuinely has no idea!! https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/thewest.com.au/sport/soccer/all-eyes-on-peru-for-excited-socceroos-c-7116799.amp
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. The Syria poster wasn't a ricochet--it was a miss. Happens every week all over the world. The ricochet for France was pure random arse goal. It depends on your definition of ricochet. In the Syria game, the ball ricocheted (un)favourably off the post. They do happen every week. Often multiple every match. If you want a word that's applicable to ricochets off a player but not ricochets off the post, then I'd go with "deflection". Deflections also happen every week. Especially in crowded areas. Both deflections and hitting the post are (un)lucky for whichever team. Granted, hitting the post usually means not on target. Bit different for deflections, which are also a bit trickier for goalkeepers. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. As for their penalty you can bet your house that the penalty doesn't get given at the other end. As an example of referee bias, look at the extra time they gave Germany against Sth Korea. You think Sth Korea would get those minutes if they're 1 down against Germany. The WC finals have never been a level playing field. Maybe. That potentially has some merit. But marginal, at best. I don't think the refereeing was so biased as to give Australia reason to say "we was robbed!!!!" I think it's more productive to say - they didn't play well enough, that's for sure. Depends on the angle of deviation from the balls natural path after making inadvertent contact. Pogbas shot deviated more than 90 degrees from its natural path, vertically. That's a ricochet. OTOH Peru's second goal was a deflection. Finally Syria hitting the post is neither a deflection nor ricochet as the ball went cleanly through the wall-making it a shot not on target. Close but no cigar. Anyway my point is that no-one in 2018 "dominated us", least of all Peru. We had chances to score eg Rogic slaloming through the penalty box with just the keeper to beat, plus there was Leckie from Kruse's cross to the near post, Behich at the end going off memory. Peru had 3 shots and scored twice. That was the difference.
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+xSaid the coach who played out best goal scorer for a total of 30 minutes over 3 games. Cahill did that to himself falling out with Warren Joyce at Melb City and not being match fit.
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+xSaid the coach who played out best goal scorer for a total of 30 minutes over 3 games. lol cahill was in a rocking chair at that point had barely played in years.
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+x+xSaid the coach who played out best goal scorer for a total of 30 minutes over 3 games. lol cahill was in a rocking chair at that point had barely played in years. Except for single handedly qualifying us by scoring 2 goals in the 2nd game agains Syria. FIWI I am a BVM fan and I think we should have given him a 5 year contract and he would have qualified us for 2022. I also think not starting Cahill in every game was a huge mistake that cost us 1 or 2 goals.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. The Syria poster wasn't a ricochet--it was a miss. Happens every week all over the world. The ricochet for France was pure random arse goal. It depends on your definition of ricochet. In the Syria game, the ball ricocheted (un)favourably off the post. They do happen every week. Often multiple every match. If you want a word that's applicable to ricochets off a player but not ricochets off the post, then I'd go with "deflection". Deflections also happen every week. Especially in crowded areas. Both deflections and hitting the post are (un)lucky for whichever team. Granted, hitting the post usually means not on target. Bit different for deflections, which are also a bit trickier for goalkeepers. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. As for their penalty you can bet your house that the penalty doesn't get given at the other end. As an example of referee bias, look at the extra time they gave Germany against Sth Korea. You think Sth Korea would get those minutes if they're 1 down against Germany. The WC finals have never been a level playing field. Maybe. That potentially has some merit. But marginal, at best. I don't think the refereeing was so biased as to give Australia reason to say "we was robbed!!!!" I think it's more productive to say - they didn't play well enough, that's for sure. Anyway my point is that no-one in 2018 "dominated us", least of all Peru. We had chances to score eg Rogic slaloming through the penalty box with just the keeper to beat, plus there was Leckie from Kruse's cross to the near post, Behich at the end going off memory. Peru had 3 shots and scored twice. That was the difference. You keep telling yourself this before going to bed every night... I mean this isn't recall bias at all. Bottom line is when you finish last in your group with zero goals from open play... not getting "dominated" means ?*&#@ all.
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+x+xSaid the coach who played out best goal scorer for a total of 30 minutes over 3 games. lol cahill was in a rocking chair at that point had barely played in years. Let’s be honest, Cahill could come out of retirement tomorrow and still be our biggest goal threat.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. The Syria poster wasn't a ricochet--it was a miss. Happens every week all over the world. The ricochet for France was pure random arse goal. It depends on your definition of ricochet. In the Syria game, the ball ricocheted (un)favourably off the post. They do happen every week. Often multiple every match. If you want a word that's applicable to ricochets off a player but not ricochets off the post, then I'd go with "deflection". Deflections also happen every week. Especially in crowded areas. Both deflections and hitting the post are (un)lucky for whichever team. Granted, hitting the post usually means not on target. Bit different for deflections, which are also a bit trickier for goalkeepers. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. I think everyone is overrating Peru quite a bit. Just because they are Sth American doesn't automatically make them any good. They are no world beaters themselves if you look at their side, it's very much like ours, a mish mash of players in 3rd rate leagues around the globe without really any stars. Tapia is their best, but as a DM, he's hardly someone we have to worry about on the attacking end of the park. We won't be playing them in the South American mountains, but in conditions we are now very familiar with and conditions they have barely experienced. I think this is a huge advantage compared to a home and away play off leg. I'm glad it's Peru and not Columbia/Chille, despite them finishing above them. I think it's a pretty even contest personally. We got dominated and outplayed by them in a game that was a dead rubber for them and a game we needed to in (and results go our way). We had a better team and better coach then too. This is also a Peru team that in qualification beat Chile, Ecuador (who qualified above them), Colombia and drew with Uruguay. When was the last time the Socceroos had a result like that against another nation of that quality? We had a draw against Colombia in a friendly in 2018 (again with our better team), and the last time we actually won was against a team of similar quality to Peru was against Greece in 2016. So we have every right to be worried about Peru and cannot have any arrogance around this game at all. If we do win it should be put up there right behind Uruguay when you consider that Peru is our hardest opponent we have had to play to get to a World Cup since Uruguay No we didn't get dominated and outplayed ( by them or anyone ls in our group for that matter) They had 3 shots on target and scored twice. That was the story of that game. LOL. Classic "we didn't get outplayed" dominated possession blah blah blah. At the end of the day we finished bottom of the group with 1 point. 2 goals scored, both penalties. 5 goals conceded. Sure with losses to a ricochet and non-pen against the World Champions, yeah, and Denmark one if the not highest-rated Europeans going in to the tournament, yeah? I don't think we can say that we got unlucky against France, never mind a penalty call with which you may disagree. We have to get past this "coulda, woulda, shoulda" attitude that's popular in Australian football. Although I know what you mean because I also feel like resorting to saying it, too. Ricochets are always happening. You actually have to defeat the opposition to be able to say anything. Like Sweden beat Italy last WCQ, like South Korea beat Germany last WC, like North Macedonia beat Italy these WCQ. By the same token, it can be pointed out that an lucky ricochet (against the upright in the Syria WCQ) was the only reason that Australia qualified for the last WC at all. As for their penalty you can bet your house that the penalty doesn't get given at the other end. As an example of referee bias, look at the extra time they gave Germany against Sth Korea. You think Sth Korea would get those minutes if they're 1 down against Germany. The WC finals have never been a level playing field. Maybe. That potentially has some merit. But marginal, at best. I don't think the refereeing was so biased as to give Australia reason to say "we was robbed!!!!" I think it's more productive to say - they didn't play well enough, that's for sure. Anyway my point is that no-one in 2018 "dominated us", least of all Peru. We had chances to score eg Rogic slaloming through the penalty box with just the keeper to beat, plus there was Leckie from Kruse's cross to the near post, Behich at the end going off memory. Peru had 3 shots and scored twice. That was the difference. You keep telling yourself this before going to bed every night... I mean this isn't recall bias at all. Bottom line is when you finish last in your group with zero goals from open play... not getting "dominated" means ?*&#@ all. Recall bias? Pigs arse. I said the same back then.. Peru took their chances, we didn't. Your second point gets back to the first.
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Any update about Ecuador being disqualified? The Peru game might be cancelled and the Socceroos would have to face a different team if Peru is pushed up. For those that don't know here is one of the many articles about it. https://remezcla.com/sports/could-ecuador-be-disqualified-2022-world-cup-fifa-opens-disciplinary-procedure/
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Early morning in South America so I think they'll get rolling wit a verdict in the coming hours. It'd be a massive disruption to our planning. If this were some kind of CONMEBOL fault as a whole, I'd have them forfeit their playoff space. Here, Ecuador as a federation have cocked up.
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Fifa has rejected the appeal. So status quo and Ecuador stays. More importantly, we keep our focus on Peru. Go roos !!!
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Have we had the same starting 11 in two games under Arnold?
Weird that teams have completely changed from 2 matches ago.
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+xHave we had the same starting 11 in two games under Arnold?
Weird that teams have completely changed from 2 matches ago. No, I don't think so. The central striker was different in the game against Jordan. Did King play LB too against Jordan? Behich started against UAE. Karacic played RB against Jordan. Atkinson against UAE. Someone else played central midfield instead of Irvine against Jordan - I think.
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+x+xHave we had the same starting 11 in two games under Arnold?
Weird that teams have completely changed from 2 matches ago. No, I don't think so. The central striker was different in the game against Jordan. Did King play LB too against Jordan? Behich started against UAE. Karacic played RB against Jordan. Atkinson against UAE. Someone else played central midfield instead of Irvine against Jordan - I think. Only Ryan, Rowles, Mooy and Goodwin started both matches.
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+xHave we had the same starting 11 in two games under Arnold?
Weird that teams have completely changed from 2 matches ago. Clear case of Rafael Benitez syndrome.
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The more I think about it, the more I think a 3-5-2 would work better for us/Arnie could even go for.
Solves a couple of issues:
-provides defensive cover to Mooy and Irvine, who lets face it would have a much tougher task of it against Peru in that 6/8 role.
-provides a solution to the right back problem. Allows Atkinson and Behich the more attacking freedom, whilst providing another body behind to cover them defensively.
-does not isolate as much the 9, who presumably would be Leckie, Taggart or Maclaren.
Only real downside of it I see is that it would perhaps limit Boyle's efficacy whereby he thrives off that wide role with space. It also means 2 of Rowles, Wright and Degenek are playing- arguably a weak spot for us.
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+xThe more I think about it, the more I think a 3-5-2 would work better for us/Arnie could even go for. Solves a couple of issues: -provides defensive cover to Mooy and Irvine, who lets face it would have a much tougher task of it against Peru in that 6/8 role. -provides a solution to the right back problem. Allows Atkinson and Behich the more attacking freedom, whilst providing another body behind to cover them defensively. -does not isolate as much the 9, who presumably would be Leckie, Taggart or Maclaren. Only real downside of it I see is that it would perhaps limit Boyle's efficacy whereby he thrives off that wide role with space. It also means 2 of Rowles, Wright and Degenek are playing- arguably a weak spot for us. Taggart gone back to Japan unfortunately. But Arnold needs to try something a bit different to beat Peru who are definitely more polished and threatening in final third
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+x+xDoes not seem right that by the luck of the draw we are heavy underdogs against Peru but could just as easily have been heavy favorites against New Zealand or about even against Costa Rica. 2 spots from 4 teams it would have been fairer to have a group where everyone plays everyone for points. Also if FIFA gave North and South America a fair amount of spots South America would have 5 and North America 3, so no intercontinental playoffs and we would be about to beat NZ to go the WC. If FIFA were giving a fair amount of spots Asia wouldnt have 4.5, works both ways A gallant loss to Peru will save getting bent over 3 times in Qatar. Maybe a bad ref decision can be a respectable excuse
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+x+xThe more I think about it, the more I think a 3-5-2 would work better for us/Arnie could even go for. Solves a couple of issues: -provides defensive cover to Mooy and Irvine, who lets face it would have a much tougher task of it against Peru in that 6/8 role. -provides a solution to the right back problem. Allows Atkinson and Behich the more attacking freedom, whilst providing another body behind to cover them defensively. -does not isolate as much the 9, who presumably would be Leckie, Taggart or Maclaren. Only real downside of it I see is that it would perhaps limit Boyle's efficacy whereby he thrives off that wide role with space. It also means 2 of Rowles, Wright and Degenek are playing- arguably a weak spot for us. Taggart gone back to Japan unfortunately. But Arnold needs to try something a bit different to beat Peru who are definitely more polished and threatening in final third That confirmed? I know Arnie said that in his post match presser, however it was then said that Taggart had stayed and was trying to get fit.
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+x+x+xThe more I think about it, the more I think a 3-5-2 would work better for us/Arnie could even go for. Solves a couple of issues: -provides defensive cover to Mooy and Irvine, who lets face it would have a much tougher task of it against Peru in that 6/8 role. -provides a solution to the right back problem. Allows Atkinson and Behich the more attacking freedom, whilst providing another body behind to cover them defensively. -does not isolate as much the 9, who presumably would be Leckie, Taggart or Maclaren. Only real downside of it I see is that it would perhaps limit Boyle's efficacy whereby he thrives off that wide role with space. It also means 2 of Rowles, Wright and Degenek are playing- arguably a weak spot for us. Taggart gone back to Japan unfortunately. But Arnold needs to try something a bit different to beat Peru who are definitely more polished and threatening in final third That confirmed? I know Arnie said that in his post match presser, however it was then said that Taggart had stayed and was trying to get fit. Taggart hasn't gone home. He and Trent racing against time to be able to play some part. Sounds like Peru fan will significantly outnumber our fans in the ground. I find it interesting that Peru only arriving 72 hours before kick-off. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/7news.com.au/sport/soccer/hurt-roos-doing-everything-to-play-ryan-c-7132389.amp
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Yeah didn't Taggart do light training while Sainsbury rested?
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+x+x+xThe more I think about it, the more I think a 3-5-2 would work better for us/Arnie could even go for. Solves a couple of issues: -provides defensive cover to Mooy and Irvine, who lets face it would have a much tougher task of it against Peru in that 6/8 role. -provides a solution to the right back problem. Allows Atkinson and Behich the more attacking freedom, whilst providing another body behind to cover them defensively. -does not isolate as much the 9, who presumably would be Leckie, Taggart or Maclaren. Only real downside of it I see is that it would perhaps limit Boyle's efficacy whereby he thrives off that wide role with space. It also means 2 of Rowles, Wright and Degenek are playing- arguably a weak spot for us. Taggart gone back to Japan unfortunately. But Arnold needs to try something a bit different to beat Peru who are definitely more polished and threatening in final third That confirmed? I know Arnie said that in his post match presser, however it was then said that Taggart had stayed and was trying to get fit. Not confirmed- just what Arnold said sorry. Hope Taggart does play if he’s still able
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