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Davstar - 30 Nov 2022 2:20 PM
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I think they just got 'ahead' of themselves they beat Germany in which they were 'largely' outplayed but still did a solid job and had 1 eye on the rd of 16 before 'actually' getting the points on the board. 

I hope we do not do the same however i feel with us no one expects us to draw/beat Denmark 

I'm not meaning to have a go at you or anything, but I don't remember you ever doing this in the before days, and it makes reading your comments feel very strange.

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Davstar - 30 Nov 2022 7:29 AM
S.korea out
Qatar out 
looks like Iran is going out as they are currently 1-nil down to the USA 
i'd say Japan shit the bed against CR and are out Spain should put them to the sword if not best case they get a draw but Germany will have a better GD after playing CR 
only hope left is Australia and Saudi both not favoured to win but both could progress with a draw - Saudi probably need to win  

overall i think we have 'played' better then most people expected us and got more points but there is a real chance every side is out in the group stage.....

i honestly hope to God we get something out of the Denmark match but lets be 'frank' it is unlikely and it is unlikely Saudi will beat Mexico

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30 percent win rate is about par for afc. Need one more win from the remaining games for a good world cup
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Japan really blew a massive chance to go through by losing to Costa Rica. If they beat Spain they are through but surely that is not going to happen
Iran had it all to play for against USA but could not do it. 
Qatar were shit, clearly nowhere near the standard of other teams. Only Afif looked half decent and their goalkeepers were woeful. Hopefully they no where near qualifying again.
South Korea could still get through if they beat Portugal and Ghana do not win against Uruguay. Seems unlikely but Portugal might do what France did and rest most of the first XI
Saudi Arabia need to beat Mexico and they are through. The way they have been playing I think this is far from impossible.
AND WE AUSTRALIA HAVE MADE IT THROUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So if Saudi Arabie or South Korea get through it surely is quite a good tournament for Asia
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3 out of 6 would be a mathematical pass (50%)

2 out of 6 would always be a great result given the strength of Europe and South America.
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well we are into the next rd and that is probably all i 'really' care about but i hope Saudies can make it esp if they top the group then AFC is assured one side in the final 8 which imo is a good showing 

i think the task is 'too great' for Japan or S.Korea so i have written them off happy to be proven wrong 

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Don’t worry Asia, we’ve got this one.
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Aljay - 1 Dec 2022 7:48 AM
Don’t worry Asia, we’ve got this one.

sure is bitter sweet eh, we had grave concerns looking the lesser compared to Japan/SK/Saudi even Iran at some stage but how the cards have fallen the last 2 games.


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LFC. - 1 Dec 2022 9:10 AM
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sure is bitter sweet eh, we had grave concerns looking the lesser compared to Japan/SK/Saudi even Iran at some stage but how the cards have fallen the last 2 games.

Oh it is 'sweet' we all are Australian fans but for the confederation in general it is looking like 1 nation makes it out of the group out of 6 that is a poor display 

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Davstar - 1 Dec 2022 10:37 AM
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Oh it is 'sweet' we all are Australian fans but for the confederation in general it is looking like 1 nation makes it out of the group out of 6 that is a poor display 

Luck probably matters a lot. Apart from qatar, afc have won 5 from 13 with two games to go which puts them at 33% win rate. Thats a decent showing imo on par with previous cups
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grazorblade - 1 Dec 2022 10:49 AM
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Luck probably matters a lot. Apart from qatar, afc have won 5 from 13 with two games to go which puts them at 33% win rate. Thats a decent showing imo on par with previous cups

Well considering Jamie Carragher and many others basically said every AFC nation was going to finish dead last in their group we have performed better then the pundits gave us credit. 

I think if we are talking about AFC and not just Australia im pretty 'disappointing' with the overall showing assuming S.Korea and Japan go out - i would say we were looking good early - Iran won there 2nd game, KSA beat ARG, S.Korea got a solid draw and Japan beat Germany....(Qatar was shit the whole way but they would never qualify natrually so they dont really count)

I feel like 4-5 teams had it in there hands for the next round it is disappointing so many 'cracked' under the pressure - Japan in particular bottled it against Costa Rica

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Davstar - 1 Dec 2022 11:04 AM
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Well considering Jamie Carragher and many others basically said every AFC nation was going to finish dead last in their group we have performed better then the pundits gave us credit. 

I think if we are talking about AFC and not just Australia im pretty 'disappointing' with the overall showing assuming S.Korea and Japan go out - i would say we were looking good early - Iran won there 2nd game, KSA beat ARG, S.Korea got a solid draw and Japan beat Germany....(Qatar was shit the whole way but they would never qualify natrually so they dont really count)

I feel like 4-5 teams had it in there hands for the next round it is disappointing so many 'cracked' under the pressure - Japan in particular bottled it against Costa Rica

Yeah japan against costa and to a lesser extent south korea against ghana were the only two disappointing games.

a lot of teams got hard groups, it was japans turn thid year, though saudis group and our group werent easy either
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Time to go back to OFC if we are the only one out of the group stages. Guaranteed WC every 4 years here-on-out :^) 

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Australia has kept flying the flag from the Asian Confederation by beating world number 10 ranked team, Denmark, 1-0. Socceroos play Argentina in the next round.

 I don't count Qatar as a qualifying Asian nation, because as hosts they qualified automatically. However, they  won a recent Asian Cup.

Are we the only Asian team  to qualify for the last 16? 

if we are, we were the worst performed in the Asian Confed WCQing campaign.
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Decentric 2 - 1 Dec 2022 1:16 PM
Australia has kept flying the flag from the Asian Confederation by beating world number 10 ranked team, Denmark, 1-0. Socceroos play Argentina in the next round.

 I don't count Qatar as a qualifying Asian nation, because as hosts they qualified automatically. However, they  won a recent Asian Cup.

Are we the only Asian team  to qualify for the last 16? 

if we are, we were the worst performed in the Asian Confed WCQing campaign.

So far, yes. Only teams left are Japan, and Korea.
How can they qualify?
Via ESPN

Japan: Guaranteed to qualify with a win vs. Spain, and will do so as group winners if Costa Rica draw/lose.If Japan and Costa Rica win:
-- Top spot will be decided on group goal difference and goals scored; Japan currently have the goal-difference advantage by six goals.
-- If the scoring record is identical, Costa Rica win the group on head-to-head.If Japan draw and Costa Rica-Germany is a draw, Japan are through in second.If Japan draw and Germany win:
- Spain win the group with five points, Spain and Germany both have four points; and
-- If Germany win by one goal, it will be decided by group goals scored; if records are identical, e.g. with 1-1 and 1-0 scorelines, Japan finish second on head-to-head.
-- If Germany win by more than one goal, Germany are second on goal difference and Japan third.If Japan draw and Costa Rica win, Japan are out.Japan cannot qualify with a defeat.

South Korea: Need a victory to have a chance.
- If both South Korea and Uruguay win, the scenarios in the Uruguay section apply.
-- If both games are won by the same margin, South Korea finish second on goal difference
-- If Uruguay win by a greater margin of one goal (so 2-0 and 1-0), second place is decided on goals scored
-- If goals scored are level (so 1-0 and 3-1), second place is decided on fair play (yellow and red cards.); If that's level, it's a random draw.
-- If Uruguay win by a greater margin of two or more goals (so 3-0 and 1-0), Uruguay finish second on goal difference
-- If Ghana draw and South Korea win:
- Portugal win the group with six points, Ghana and South Korea both have four points; and
-- If South Korea win by one goal, second place will be decided on goals scored.
--- If group goals scored are identical (e.g. if 0-0 and 3-2), Ghana finish second on head-to-head.
-- If South Korea win by two or more goals, South Korea finish second on goal difference and Ghana are third.
- If South Korea and Ghana win, South Korea finish third.

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NicCarBel - 1 Dec 2022 2:00 PM
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So far, yes. Only teams left are Japan, and Korea.
How can they qualify?
Via ESPN

Japan: Guaranteed to qualify with a win vs. Spain, and will do so as group winners if Costa Rica draw/lose.If Japan and Costa Rica win:
-- Top spot will be decided on group goal difference and goals scored; Japan currently have the goal-difference advantage by six goals.
-- If the scoring record is identical, Costa Rica win the group on head-to-head.If Japan draw and Costa Rica-Germany is a draw, Japan are through in second.If Japan draw and Germany win:
- Spain win the group with five points, Spain and Germany both have four points; and
-- If Germany win by one goal, it will be decided by group goals scored; if records are identical, e.g. with 1-1 and 1-0 scorelines, Japan finish second on head-to-head.
-- If Germany win by more than one goal, Germany are second on goal difference and Japan third.If Japan draw and Costa Rica win, Japan are out.Japan cannot qualify with a defeat.

South Korea: Need a victory to have a chance.
- If both South Korea and Uruguay win, the scenarios in the Uruguay section apply.
-- If both games are won by the same margin, South Korea finish second on goal difference
-- If Uruguay win by a greater margin of one goal (so 2-0 and 1-0), second place is decided on goals scored
-- If goals scored are level (so 1-0 and 3-1), second place is decided on fair play (yellow and red cards.); If that's level, it's a random draw.
-- If Uruguay win by a greater margin of two or more goals (so 3-0 and 1-0), Uruguay finish second on goal difference
-- If Ghana draw and South Korea win:
- Portugal win the group with six points, Ghana and South Korea both have four points; and
-- If South Korea win by one goal, second place will be decided on goals scored.
--- If group goals scored are identical (e.g. if 0-0 and 3-2), Ghana finish second on head-to-head.
-- If South Korea win by two or more goals, South Korea finish second on goal difference and Ghana are third.
- If South Korea and Ghana win, South Korea finish third.

i wish them both 'well' but both nations are playing the top team in their respective groups - unlike Tunisia playing France - Spain will be out in full force to win the next match 

Korea on the other hand might be 'lucky' if Portugal pull a France and play reserves they might be able to get out of the group 

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NicCarBel - 1 Dec 2022 2:00 PM
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So far, yes. Only teams left are Japan, and Korea.
How can they qualify?
Via ESPN

Japan: Guaranteed to qualify with a win vs. Spain, and will do so as group winners if Costa Rica draw/lose.If Japan and Costa Rica win:
-- Top spot will be decided on group goal difference and goals scored; Japan currently have the goal-difference advantage by six goals.
-- If the scoring record is identical, Costa Rica win the group on head-to-head.If Japan draw and Costa Rica-Germany is a draw, Japan are through in second.If Japan draw and Germany win:
- Spain win the group with five points, Spain and Germany both have four points; and
-- If Germany win by one goal, it will be decided by group goals scored; if records are identical, e.g. with 1-1 and 1-0 scorelines, Japan finish second on head-to-head.
-- If Germany win by more than one goal, Germany are second on goal difference and Japan third.If Japan draw and Costa Rica win, Japan are out.Japan cannot qualify with a defeat.

South Korea: Need a victory to have a chance.
- If both South Korea and Uruguay win, the scenarios in the Uruguay section apply.
-- If both games are won by the same margin, South Korea finish second on goal difference
-- If Uruguay win by a greater margin of one goal (so 2-0 and 1-0), second place is decided on goals scored
-- If goals scored are level (so 1-0 and 3-1), second place is decided on fair play (yellow and red cards.); If that's level, it's a random draw.
-- If Uruguay win by a greater margin of two or more goals (so 3-0 and 1-0), Uruguay finish second on goal difference
-- If Ghana draw and South Korea win:
- Portugal win the group with six points, Ghana and South Korea both have four points; and
-- If South Korea win by one goal, second place will be decided on goals scored.
--- If group goals scored are identical (e.g. if 0-0 and 3-2), Ghana finish second on head-to-head.
-- If South Korea win by two or more goals, South Korea finish second on goal difference and Ghana are third.
- If South Korea and Ghana win, South Korea finish third.

I think South K can perform under pressure.

Was impressed when  SK fought  back against us in the Asian Cup Final 2015 under extreme pressure. They scored a goal in the last few minutes to force extra time. They were away from home too, whilst we were playing in Aus.

Uruguay are also a historical big game performer under pressure, with a never say die attitude, like us, but unlike us, a dirty side, who will bend any  rule to win. Mind  you, I'm a big admirer of Uruguay's passion for the national team shirt.

Spain seems an insurmountable challenge for Japan. Unless there is a scenario where Spain rest heaps of first eleven players, with the replacements lacking unity of purpose motivation, only individual motivation. Just can't believe Japan did all the hard work beating powerhouse, Germany.  Then  they lost to Costa Rice in the next round - one of the weakest rated teams in the 32 team field, along with us, before the tournament started.

Japan usually have a strong fighting spirit too.
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LFC. - 1 Dec 2022 9:10 AM
Aljay - 1 Dec 2022 7:48 AM

sure is bitter sweet eh, we had grave concerns looking the lesser compared to Japan/SK/Saudi even Iran at some stage but how the cards have fallen the last 2 games.

It has been an amazing turn around hasn't it?

Who would have thought after we lost to Saudi  Arabia and Japan successively in about March, also after drawing with China and Oman that we would even qualify for the WC in Qatar, let alone advance into the last 16!
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Decentric 2 - 1 Dec 2022 9:56 PM
NicCarBel - 1 Dec 2022 2:00 PM

I think South K can perform under pressure.

Was impressed when  SK fought  back against us in the Asian Cup Final 2015 under extreme pressure. They scored a goal in the last few minutes to force extra time. They were away from home too, whilst we were playing in Aus.

Uruguay are also a historical big game performer under pressure, with a never say die attitude, like us, but unlike us, a dirty side, who will bend any  rule to win. Mind  you, I'm a big admirer of Uruguay's passion for the national team shirt.

Spain seems an insurmountable challenge for Japan. Unless there is a scenario where Spain rest heaps of first eleven players, with the replacements lacking unity of purpose motivation, only individual motivation. Just can't believe Japan did all the hard work beating powerhouse, Germany.  Then  they lost to Costa Rice in the next round - one of the weakest rated teams in the 32 team field, along with us, before the tournament started.

Japan usually have a strong fighting spirit too.

I think Uruguay is the blueprint of what Australian football would be like if:
a) Football was our main sport and,
b) We went to the dark side.
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Decentric 2 - 1 Dec 2022 10:01 PM
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It has been an amazing turn around hasn't it?

Who would have thought after we lost to Saudi  Arabia and Japan successively in about March, also after drawing with China and Oman that we would even qualify for the WC in Qatar, let alone advance into the last 16!

I think LUCK finally played a big part for us after all this time and outcomes that you just can't explain against the odds.
Putting aside Arnie's never say die give it your all man management style for thats was his own game persona as well, not surprised these guys will walk over hot coals for him, well maybe not all but most.
IMO Japan are the typical perfect everything is covered/addressed from top to bottom. Maybe their handicap is they lack that "mental freedom" inside of just having a go, its all got to go by the book.
SK likely the same.
Saudi has just thrown copious's amount of $$$$ last 10yrs or more and learnt to play but lack that "it" factor to win that next game through.

Reading alot of our Roo press as most have the common theme is the sqaud/group bond.
Even those not played, mates working for each other, anotehr fellow football mate said we're Anzac's - I thought that ticked a box in my head about this group, they'll die in the trenchs together, its not always about stats its the ticker and forget the rule book.

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Japan are winning

come on JAPAN

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Do people see now Why i wanted CR to beat NZ in the play offs 

NZ would of parked the bus every game offered nothing at least CR have tried and made the group interesting. 

I HOPE THEY MAKE IT OUT OF THE GORUP GO JAPAN GO COSTA RICA 

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Japan did it!




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AFC have 2 teams in the round of 16 

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Davstar - 2 Dec 2022 7:31 AM
Do people see now Why i wanted CR to beat NZ in the play offs 

NZ would of parked the bus every game offered nothing at least CR have tried and made the group interesting. 

I HOPE THEY MAKE IT OUT OF THE GORUP GO JAPAN GO COSTA RICA 

I didn't watch the Germany game, but CR did park the bus in the first two games. They had 1 shot on target for one goal. They got incredibly lucky against Japan and were embarrassed by Spain. I have no idea why you think NZ could not have done at least as well. 
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Davstar - 2 Dec 2022 7:53 AM
Japan did it!

Blessed Japan going toe to toe with the giants

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Derider - 2 Dec 2022 8:01 AM
Davstar - 2 Dec 2022 7:31 AM

I didn't watch the Germany game, but CR did park the bus in the first two games. They had 1 shot on target for one goal. They got incredibly lucky against Japan and were embarrassed by Spain. I have no idea why you think NZ could not have done at least as well. 

i watched them play Germany - i had both games on the same time and i watch them play Japan they did not 'park' the bus they were 'outplayed' but they did try and play football 

NZ in 2010 parked the bus they didnt try win a single game they are a 'waste' of a spot and i am glad they did not make and as under the expanded competition they will make it every 4 years and probably add nothing - NZ FA are pathetic and i refuse to ever support them until they start adequately supporting the AL and their single Professional club 

these Kangaroos can play football - 
Ange P. (Intercontinental WC Play-offs 2017) 

KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL

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AyyLeague - 2 Dec 2022 8:05 AM
Davstar - 2 Dec 2022 7:53 AM

Blessed Japan going toe to toe with the giants

they 'actually' slayed 2 giants beating Japan and Germany 

these Kangaroos can play football - 
Ange P. (Intercontinental WC Play-offs 2017) 

KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL

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Davstar - 2 Dec 2022 7:31 AM
Do people see now Why i wanted CR to beat NZ in the play offs 

NZ would of parked the bus every game offered nothing at least CR have tried and made the group interesting. 

I HOPE THEY MAKE IT OUT OF THE GORUP GO JAPAN GO COSTA RICA 

All hindsight and I prefer NZ anyway. NZ would've made a good account of themselves.
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