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+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. Roosty I can't help you then. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. I've seen how the development system works here at close hand and it's not working for the players let alone for the game. You can misconstrue what I've posted, but seemingly the vast majority on here understand and can see what is happening here. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. Just to play devil's advocate, not sure Rusty is arguing we don't have these problems to fix. He is saying while we do have these problems we don't ALSO need other countries' national teams setting up a pathway for young Australians to represent other national teams AS WELL. A foreign club will take a young Aussie and play them at their CLUB while that player plays for Australia. A foreign COUNTRY's FA will take that player to play for a Croation club AND "HOPEFULLY" their own national team too. I think you guys are so quick to jump on the anti ANTI ethnic brigade you are glossing over the fact that the Croatian FA does not appear to be hiding the point of this relationship.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. Just to play devil's advocate, not sure Rusty is arguing we don't have these problems to fix. He is saying while we do have these problems we don't ALSO need other countries' national teams setting up a pathway for young Australians to represent other national teams AS WELL. A foreign club will take a young Aussie and play them at their CLUB while that player plays for Australia. A foreign COUNTRY's FA will take that player to play for a Croation club AND "HOPEFULLY" their own national team too. I think you guys are so quick to jump on the anti ANTI ethnic brigade you are glossing over the fact that the Croatian FA does not appear to be hiding the point of this relationship. I understand his frustration, at the same time providing the reason why this happening is what I'm providing. If you have a broken system, as we do, this is what happens. As I pointed out, as we are now this is bound to happen, and I refer you to what I said about AL Academies, that they hold the identified talent for the AL and for the National Teams. They are the chosen ones. If you're a kid at Knights and Sydney United, in fact any NPL Academy other than an AL Academy, you're there to make up the numbers so they have someone to play against. That's the cold hard truth. In this system we have, if you got identified by the Croatian Federation or any other foreign Academy you're a lucky one who won't be part of the thousands of boys lost in the System. If that's not understood then change won't happen and we will go on in our blissfully ignorant manner railing against interlopers. Also of note by implication I am saying we do have talent here in this country, it's just that it's fading away and the wastage is bigger than we think.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. Just to play devil's advocate, not sure Rusty is arguing we don't have these problems to fix. He is saying while we do have these problems we don't ALSO need other countries' national teams setting up a pathway for young Australians to represent other national teams AS WELL. A foreign club will take a young Aussie and play them at their CLUB while that player plays for Australia. A foreign COUNTRY's FA will take that player to play for a Croation club AND "HOPEFULLY" their own national team too. I think you guys are so quick to jump on the anti ANTI ethnic brigade you are glossing over the fact that the Croatian FA does not appear to be hiding the point of this relationship. I understand his frustration, at the same time providing the reason why this happening is what I'm providing. If you have a broken system, as we do, this is what happens. As I pointed out, as we are now this is bound to happen, and I refer you to what I said about AL Academies, that they hold the identified talent for the AL and for the National Teams. They are the chosen ones. If you're a kid at Knights and Sydney United, in fact any NPL Academy other than an AL Academy, you're there to make up the numbers so they have someone to play against. That's the cold hard truth. In this system we have, if you got identified by the Croatian Federation or any other foreign Academy you're a lucky one who won't be part of the thousands of boys lost in the System. If that's not understood then change won't happen and we will go on in our blissfully ignorant manner railing against interlopers. Also of note by implication I am saying we do have talent here in this country, it's just that it's fading away and the wastage is bigger than we think. I do agree with all of this btw
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. Just to play devil's advocate, not sure Rusty is arguing we don't have these problems to fix. He is saying while we do have these problems we don't ALSO need other countries' national teams setting up a pathway for young Australians to represent other national teams AS WELL. A foreign club will take a young Aussie and play them at their CLUB while that player plays for Australia.
A foreign COUNTRY's FA will take that player to play for a Croation club AND "HOPEFULLY" their own national team too.I think you guys are so quick to jump on the anti ANTI ethnic brigade you are glossing over the fact that the Croatian FA does not appear to be hiding the point of this relationship. Apologies to everyone then. I assumed that the pearl clutching would have been the same had it been Dynamo or Hajduk or some other Croatian club doing the same thing.... What would the response be, I wonder, if Southgate brought the three lions squad to do a training camp in Australia pre world cup and gave away England jerseys to 15 year old Eastern Lions NPL players? Or any other national federation for that matter? The Afghan women's national team plays in the Victorian NPL in lieu of an AUSTRALIAN girls squad FFS and that is a "feel good story for the power of football"?!?!?!?!?!?!? How are they developing young Matilda's? As for your last point bud, we have a TD claiming (The quote was from a previous trip to Canada and the US btw) one thing and the head coach and federation claiming another...... ?????? .. maybe Im naive like has been stated and should show more faith in our accepting, multicultural, non-xenophobic society?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. Arthur, I think you misunderstand Roosty's objection to this training camp. I havent read any negativity towards Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, Villareal, AC Milan, Blackburn Rovers and the hundreds of other "foreign crusaders" etc etc its any association with the nation of Croatia that seems to get his goat and possibly the fact that a bunch of fellow Australian's may have an inherent fondness for their ancestry.... I mean at one stage he was going to send a squadron of fighter jets to Zagreb?!?!?!?!?!? Hahahah
Do you not know the difference between a club academy and a foreign federation? The Barca academy will happily take named Jo Smith if he’s good enough.
Its a shit analogy mate.
Mate the farkin president of Croatia flew half way across the world and had dinner at Viduka's parents house and he still wore the green and gold... These guys aren't here to steal the silverware..... its a cultural thing sure, you don't like certain cultures celebrating their heritage sure but I wouldn't be too worried about this being some sort of talent grab, honestly.
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BTW what has happened to this place? I can't believe a little "sokkah effnik" Greek boy is on here defending Melbourne and Sydney Croatia??? hahahahahahahahah
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. Just to play devil's advocate, not sure Rusty is arguing we don't have these problems to fix. He is saying while we do have these problems we don't ALSO need other countries' national teams setting up a pathway for young Australians to represent other national teams AS WELL. A foreign club will take a young Aussie and play them at their CLUB while that player plays for Australia.
A foreign COUNTRY's FA will take that player to play for a Croation club AND "HOPEFULLY" their own national team too.I think you guys are so quick to jump on the anti ANTI ethnic brigade you are glossing over the fact that the Croatian FA does not appear to be hiding the point of this relationship. Apologies to everyone then. I assumed that the pearl clutching would have been the same had it been Dynamo or Hajduk or some other Croatian club doing the same thing.... What would the response be, I wonder, if Southgate brought the three lions squad to do a training camp in Australia pre world cup and gave away England jerseys to 15 year old Eastern Lions NPL players? Or any other national federation for that matter? The Afghan women's national team plays in the Victorian NPL in lieu of an AUSTRALIAN girls squad FFS and that is a "feel good story for the power of football"?!?!?!?!?!?!? How are they developing young Matilda's? As for your last point bud, we have a TD claiming (The quote was from a previous trip to Canada and the US btw) one thing and the head coach and federation claiming another...... ?????? .. maybe Im naive like has been stated and should show more faith in our accepting, multicultural, non-xenophobic society? You must know you have a giant chip on your shoulder that colours everything you see/read/interpret. Also, I get so sick of this shit. If Australia isn't an "accepting, multicultural, non-xenophobic society" then you're gonna have a fucking MASSIVE problem with the rest of the world's countries. Start with where our parents are from I might add! Yes as a country we can strive to be better but seriously get a grip
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+xBTW what has happened to this place? I can't believe a little "sokkah effnik" Greek boy is on here defending Melbourne and Sydney Croatia??? hahahahahahahahah And I'm defending Rusty so it's a crazy day all round
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+x+xBTW what has happened to this place? I can't believe a little "sokkah effnik" Greek boy is on here defending Melbourne and Sydney Croatia??? hahahahahahahahah And I'm defending Rusty so it's a crazy day all round Hahahah what WAS in those covid vaccines??? hahahahahahaahah
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. Just to play devil's advocate, not sure Rusty is arguing we don't have these problems to fix. He is saying while we do have these problems we don't ALSO need other countries' national teams setting up a pathway for young Australians to represent other national teams AS WELL. A foreign club will take a young Aussie and play them at their CLUB while that player plays for Australia.
A foreign COUNTRY's FA will take that player to play for a Croation club AND "HOPEFULLY" their own national team too.I think you guys are so quick to jump on the anti ANTI ethnic brigade you are glossing over the fact that the Croatian FA does not appear to be hiding the point of this relationship. Apologies to everyone then. I assumed that the pearl clutching would have been the same had it been Dynamo or Hajduk or some other Croatian club doing the same thing.... What would the response be, I wonder, if Southgate brought the three lions squad to do a training camp in Australia pre world cup and gave away England jerseys to 15 year old Eastern Lions NPL players? Or any other national federation for that matter? The Afghan women's national team plays in the Victorian NPL in lieu of an AUSTRALIAN girls squad FFS and that is a "feel good story for the power of football"?!?!?!?!?!?!? How are they developing young Matilda's? As for your last point bud, we have a TD claiming (The quote was from a previous trip to Canada and the US btw) one thing and the head coach and federation claiming another...... ?????? .. maybe Im naive like has been stated and should show more faith in our accepting, multicultural, non-xenophobic society? You must know you have a giant chip on your shoulder that colours everything you see/read/interpret. Also, I get so sick of this shit. If Australia isn't an "accepting, multicultural, non-xenophobic society" then you're gonna have a fucking MASSIVE problem with the rest of the world's countries. Start with where our parents are from I might add! Yes as a country we can strive to be better but seriously get a grip Yeah maybe mate but Im not the one that wanted to send fighter jets to Zagreb eh? hahahahahahahaI have a monster chip on my shoulder dude, its 2023 and this shit is still an issue. Its the selectivity that gets ya .... I bet Kanye West currently swanning around Melbourne and 'ol "Pair-a-tits" in NSW won't be banned from A league matches??? hahahahahhahha
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWell done Sydney United and Melbourne Knights (Yes they are going to Melbourne too), we need more of this, due to geography our football culture can be very insular. In Europe the exchange of coaching ideas and learning is much easier and open, due to distances. We need more of it, having National Coaches from, Netherlands, France, Italy, Croatia, Germany, Spain Greece, Serbia etc etc offers great learning experience and networks for players and coaches. The point about how insular we are is a good point Arthur. I agree that geographical distances don’t help us but also I feel we are not as open minded to learning new ideas as I thought we would compared to overseas countries. When people come from overseas especially from the top football countries we tend to look down on them rather than seeking as much information as we can. Thats my outside observation from it anyway. Please stop it. They arnet here to learn from and us and exchange ideas and information and develop friendly relations with our federation. This isnt some cultural exchange program that is mutually beneficial to both parties. Sure such a meeting is possible however the way that this has been orchestrated is totally in the favour of the Croatian FA while exposing our best Australian Croatian talent to play for Croatia. It might only be one player, perhaps the next Modric, are we seriously gonna stand by with our thumbs in our butts and let is happen? There is absolutely zero benefit from an Australian football perspective. Arthur, Dirk et all, please kindly take your head out of your asses. Here's the thing Roosty, and the cold hard truth. The kids the Croatian FA are training are not the "identified", "precocious talents", they will be training. These kids are at AL Academies, that's not where the Croats are running clinics. The kids at Melbourne Knights and Sydney United Clubs are the discarded unwanted ones. And that's not how it should be, our football structure is fractured and broken. The AL Academies have a huge advantage in attracting talent as they have monopoly over the first tier, they get the talent for no cost therefore they can churn it at no cost to them. Then they don't value the talent they have, cause they ain't pushing it into the first team. It demonstrates that our football market, our football economy and our football structures is not competitive, in fact it's anti-competitive. And when you have this Economic Model, the Croatian FA, the Liverpool Academy, the Barcelona Academy, the Perugia Academy, the Empoli Academy, the Real Madrid Foundation, and a whole host of others come here as they see an opportunity in our fractured football economy. In the Croatian FA Camps scenario if they found one or two or even three kids they considered talents and took them over, they've done us a favour. By staying here those kids would have just ended up being some of the thousands that have just faded away from the game. Look no further than the locally discarded Volpato, but good enough for here but good enough for Roma or the unwanted Alou Kuol not good enough to even get a look in at the Victory academy but good enough for Stuttgart. We don't even know or can measure the lost and wasted talent we've had, they're gone now, lost to the game here. So until we can fix our own backyard, we will have these Club Academies and National Federations coming here taking the opportunity to find talent because our development system is broken. BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA So let me try to understand your logic. Because we shot ourselves in the foot with the Volpato situation, lets shoot ourselves in the other foot by handing our young talent over to foreign federations like Croatia, Italy and Greece? Cut our nose to spite our face sorta thing? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DOING US A FAVOUR? You also miss an important detail Arthur. The relationships that Croatia FA are forming, with various Croatian clubs across Australia, are not “just one off” camps. These are nascent relationships that will grow in momentum, strength and organisational cohernecy, especially as these clubs seek to entry to the NSD and their junior academies become viable factories for producing overseas and Croatian rep players. The kids and parents wont care that they were looked over by Sydney FC. That is the goal of these programs, they didnt send their best and brightest for a sausage sizzle, they are planning for the future. Is this what we want for Australian football, for the Croatian FA to have first dibs on the all the talented young Croat Aussies coming through the ranks? That is the advantage we had over Croatia, the advantage that enabled players like Bosnich, Viduka, Culina, etc to become Socceroos rather than Croatians, because they were capped before Croatia knew how good they were. Now we have lost this advantage. It only takes ONE player, the next Viduka, Rakitic, Simunic, Pulicic to be stolen and we will feel the pain of our complacency for a very long time. You can hate on the development system all you want, can you speculate on all the Volpato’s that we’ve lost to the system (unjustly and without evidence) but this pours salt into the wounds. If you cannot foresee how this is going to result in Australia losing players to Croatia, then you are frankly dumb as a post. Roosty I can't help you then. It's a shame as it's important to identify the problems we have otherwise we won't progress by making the changes necessary. I've seen how the development system works here at close hand and it's not working for the players let alone for the game. You can misconstrue what I've posted, but seemingly the vast majority on here understand and can see what is happening here. Problems of, Identification, Development, Progress to Senior Footballers, Pathways, Destinations, Player Solidarity Payments not happening, Player Compensation Payments not happening, APL staying out of the Domestic Transfer System, Football Clubs Siloed into what they can and can't do, Updating the football curriculum, proper development and skill acquisition for the youngest of the young, ALM Academies hording talent and destroying it, etc etc If you can't see that, and see that change is required, then like our administrators and the APL you don't see the need for change and we go on in this vicious cycle rather than getting on board with a virtuous cycle. And so European Academies, Private Academies and National Federation's will keep coming here. All you’ve done is bash Australia’s development system, you’ve failed to explain why inviting foreign federations to poach our talent is good for Australian football. Explain how it’s good for Australian football and how they are ‘doing us a favour’? Although Im sure we our system has its pitfalls, there’s no evidence that we are ‘destroying talent’. Its not like there’s a conveyor belt of talent being ignored by Australian clubs and walking to Europes top 5. Regardless of the path, whether here in Australia or overseas, only a tiny fraction of players go on to carve out a career in professional football. Thats just the reality. I was dismayed as anyone that our system failed to identify Volpato, but its going to take more than one or two players to collectively trash the whole system. Im 100% sure it can be improved, but im not sure what that has to do with foreign federations identifying and developing players to play for other countries. You need to explain that part. One can understand European clubs and scouts coming here to exploit our weaknesses, but those players can still go on to represent the Socceroos. Its mutually beneficial, si? How do you explain the fact that once these clubs are admitted to the NSD and perhaps operating at a fully professional level, with viable academies and junior pathways, how is their direct relationship with HNS supposed to benefit Australian football? Would we also benefit by reaching out to the Italian, Greek, English and Scottish FAs and inviting them to forge direct relationships with our A league and NSD clubs? Please explain.
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Thought I would pop back and see if this thread had died its natural death, leaving behind it outrage, burned egos and bloody accusations.
Not yet!
Maybe 2 more pages?
Kids play football for the love of the game.
99% of the kids with genuine potential to play for Australia will never get past the greatest obstacle to their progression to a green and gold call.
No accessible pathway that meets their aspirations between the ages of 15 to 20, that allows them to progress at a rate manageable by individual needs and location exists.
Broadly: If a Club has a player with massive potential that clearly has outgrown their current environs, there is no natural and enduring pathway for that club to progress that player to the level and environment that the player needs for their individual development. In fact, it is quite arguable, that there are disincentives for a club to do so.
If falls to parents to cast about and desperately commit their lives, pay huge sums to academies "with connections", move to a city and a new life on the promise of extended trial at larger club "with a pathway" (that costs money). Perhaps it is better to move to a whole new country where such pathways have existed for decades and are so common it seems mundane. It's real and it it happens. Those parents are absolute wonders.
Anybody that didn't grab the opportunity offered by another National Federation with a first class reputation for developing player talent would be a lunatic. You have more choices if you are a millionaire of course. As a matter of fact, maybe only millionaires are able to create genuine choices.
My advice would be to see if you can get your kid into Sydney Sports High School, or roll up to Croatia, Irish, German, Dutch, New Zealand talent ID days, or just tell young Ursula and Tomas to take up swimming.
About that second division...it would be a good start to resolving this problem. The third division will be an even greater pathway.
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^^^^
That’s nice and all, the whole “won’t someone think of the children” approach. Very empathetic and sizzling with compassion.
But seriously, we have no obligation to allow kids who are born and raised in Australia to play other nations, at the expense of our own. That’s how it works in every country, federations are entitled and expected to jealously guard their talents and tell other federations that go sniffing to fuck off.
if a poor kid feels he being hard done by not getting a look in by local talent scouts, then they are entitled to move to another country and seek opportunities in that system. But there's no way that platform to betray Australia should be provided on Australian soil, while continuing to develop in Australia. Thats not how it works.
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+x^^^^ That’s nice and all, the whole “won’t someone think of the children” approach. Very empathetic and sizzling with compassion. Your response is misrepresentation of the straw-man kind. Drivel. But just an opportunity to give you a smidgeon of credibility, if you aren't thinking of "the children", who in the name of actual fuck are you suggesting we should think of?
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Looks like, thankfully, Football Australia can see past all the xenophobia eminating from new dawners. Even Chris Nikou got a Croatia jersey :)  https://twitter.com/sebth/status/1618201033955766273?cxt=HHwWgsDTwYnRgPUsAAAA
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OMG OMG Chris Nikou gots an Crayshan jersey omg that changes everyfing!
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Imagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe.
The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag.
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+xOMG OMG Chris Nikou gots an Crayshan jersey omg that changes everyfing! The still sell them at some Rebel stores BTW...... you can grab yourself one if you want to be just like the Chairman of Football Australia :)
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+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Nice try but NOPE, thats a fail buddy. I love this country like few others, I can assure you of that. The FA, like the me and the rest of the Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. You can persist with your assimilationist, right wing, "If you wanna be a true-blue youve gotta stop talking foreign gibberish and change your names to Smith and Jones" garbage but luckily for me the laws of Australia (and public sentiment) say otherwise.
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+x+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Nice try but NOPE, thats a fail buddy. I love this country like few others, I can assure you of that. The FA, like the me and the rest of the Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. You can persist with your assimilationist, right wing, "If you wanna be a true-blue youve gotta stop talking foreign gibberish and change your names to Smith and Jones" garbage but luckily for me the laws of Australia (and public sentiment) say otherwise. Mate you had a crack at the Anzacs, that is irreconcilable with “loving this country”. Only someone who has a deep and enduring hatred for this country would say such a thing. All your claptrap about “respect for all” is just weasel words, clearly you hate Anglos, hate Australia, hate the A league, hate the Socceroos, hate to see Australian football develop and prosper as it has for the past 20 years after being kept in the dark for the previous 40. You can wave your greek flags and thump your chest in the state leagues, there’s no need to being your anglo hating racism to national consciousness again.
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+x+x+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Nice try but NOPE, thats a fail buddy. I love this country like few others, I can assure you of that. The FA, like the me and the rest of the Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. You can persist with your assimilationist, right wing, "If you wanna be a true-blue youve gotta stop talking foreign gibberish and change your names to Smith and Jones" garbage but luckily for me the laws of Australia (and public sentiment) say otherwise. Mate you had a crack at the Anzacs, that is irreconcilable with “loving this country”. Only someone who has a deep and enduring hatred for this country would say such a thing. All your claptrap about “respect for all” is just weasel words, clearly you hate Anglos, hate Australia, hate the A league, hate the Socceroos, hate to see Australian football develop and prosper as it has for the past 20 years after being kept in the dark for the previous 40. You can wave your greek flags and thump your chest in the state leagues, there’s no need to being your anglo hating racism to national consciousness again. Hahahahahaah You goose, You poor jingoistic, nationalistic, misguided goose.... OK whatever mate. (you did get ONE thing right, I do hate the ponzi league) I WILL wave my Greek flag around with pride, thats what it means in 2023 to be a true Australian...I know it scares you that the young Australian of the year is a black refugee and all the prominent, well respected Australians have funny little wog names these days. You can take your "King and Country" fascist, throwback, knuckle dragging, colonialist bullshit back to 1959 and stay there.... Im moving forward.
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+x+x+x+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Nice try but NOPE, thats a fail buddy. I love this country like few others, I can assure you of that. The FA, like the me and the rest of the Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. You can persist with your assimilationist, right wing, "If you wanna be a true-blue youve gotta stop talking foreign gibberish and change your names to Smith and Jones" garbage but luckily for me the laws of Australia (and public sentiment) say otherwise. Mate you had a crack at the Anzacs, that is irreconcilable with “loving this country”. Only someone who has a deep and enduring hatred for this country would say such a thing. All your claptrap about “respect for all” is just weasel words, clearly you hate Anglos, hate Australia, hate the A league, hate the Socceroos, hate to see Australian football develop and prosper as it has for the past 20 years after being kept in the dark for the previous 40. You can wave your greek flags and thump your chest in the state leagues, there’s no need to being your anglo hating racism to national consciousness again. Hahahahahaah You goose, You poor jingoistic, nationalistic, misguided goose.... OK whatever mate. (you did get ONE thing right, I do hate the ponzi league) I WILL wave my Greek flag around with pride, thats what it means in 2023 to be a true Australian...I know it scares you that the young Australian of the year is a black refugee and all the prominent, well respected Australians have funny little wog names these days. You can take your "King and Country" fascist, throwback, knuckle dragging, colonialist bullshit back to 1959 and stay there.... Im moving forward. Being a "true Australian" will never amount to disrespecting the Anzacs, as you did. No true Australian who loves their country, respects its history and heritage would dare say such a thing about those those shed blood for this country. What a disgraceful UNAUSTRALIAN thing for you to say. The Greek Australian community is one of the best integrated in the country, they would be appalled at you for bringing racist, Anzac hating shame to their community. I'm not surprised that you admit to hating the A league, must be awful to having to watch first tier football in proper stadiums with roofs and actual people in the crowd. I can imagine you sitting in the crowd feeling all insecure and uncomfortable sitting next to families with weird surnames like Smith and Jones. God forbid they eat a meat pie and chips, that will send your anxiety levels through the roof. Also while we are on the topic, a true Australian would never put their nationality and heritage on equal footing. A true Australian who is born and raised here would always put Australia first, heritage second. If you want to hate Anzac's , hate the A league, chest thump , wave greek flags and spew anglo hating racist bs then perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland.
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+xBeing a "true Australian" will never amount to disrespecting the Anzacs, as you did. No true Australian who loves their country, respects its history and heritage would dare say such a thing about those those shed blood for this country. What a disgraceful UNAUSTRALIAN thing for you to say. The Greek Australian community is one of the best integrated in the country, they would be appalled at you for bringing racist, Anzac hating shame to their community. I'm not surprised that you admit to hating the A league, must be awful to having to watch first tier football in proper stadiums with roofs and actual people in the crowd. I can imagine you sitting in the crowd feeling all insecure and uncomfortable sitting next to families with weird surnames like Smith and Jones. God forbid they eat a meat pie and chips, that will send your anxiety levels through the roof. Also while we are on the topic, a true Australian would never put their nationality and heritage on equal footing. A true Australian who is born and raised here would always put Australia first, heritage second. If you want to hate Anzac's , hate the A league, chest thump , wave greek flags and spew anglo hating racist bs then perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland. I'd suggest you go fellate yourself but since you don't have a penis, that would be quite the feat :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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+x+x+x+x+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Nice try but NOPE, thats a fail buddy. I love this country like few others, I can assure you of that. The FA, like the me and the rest of the Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. You can persist with your assimilationist, right wing, "If you wanna be a true-blue youve gotta stop talking foreign gibberish and change your names to Smith and Jones" garbage but luckily for me the laws of Australia (and public sentiment) say otherwise. Mate you had a crack at the Anzacs, that is irreconcilable with “loving this country”. Only someone who has a deep and enduring hatred for this country would say such a thing. All your claptrap about “respect for all” is just weasel words, clearly you hate Anglos, hate Australia, hate the A league, hate the Socceroos, hate to see Australian football develop and prosper as it has for the past 20 years after being kept in the dark for the previous 40. You can wave your greek flags and thump your chest in the state leagues, there’s no need to being your anglo hating racism to national consciousness again. Hahahahahaah You goose, You poor jingoistic, nationalistic, misguided goose.... OK whatever mate. (you did get ONE thing right, I do hate the ponzi league) I WILL wave my Greek flag around with pride, thats what it means in 2023 to be a true Australian...I know it scares you that the young Australian of the year is a black refugee and all the prominent, well respected Australians have funny little wog names these days. You can take your "King and Country" fascist, throwback, knuckle dragging, colonialist bullshit back to 1959 and stay there.... Im moving forward. Being a "true Australian" will never amount to disrespecting the Anzacs, as you did. No true Australian who loves their country, respects its history and heritage would dare say such a thing about those those shed blood for this country. What a disgraceful UNAUSTRALIAN thing for you to say. The Greek Australian community is one of the best integrated in the country, they would be appalled at you for bringing racist, Anzac hating shame to their community. I'm not surprised that you admit to hating the A league, must be awful to having to watch first tier football in proper stadiums with roofs and actual people in the crowd. I can imagine you sitting in the crowd feeling all insecure and uncomfortable sitting next to families with weird surnames like Smith and Jones. God forbid they eat a meat pie and chips, that will send your anxiety levels through the roof. Also while we are on the topic, a true Australian would never put their nationality and heritage on equal footing. A true Australian who is born and raised here would always put Australia first, heritage second. If you want to hate Anzac's , hate the A league, chest thump , wave greek flags and spew anglo hating racist bs then perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland. "perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland." - Quoted by Roosty the day after Australia Day 2023...... Hahahahah BINGO...... Its 2023 and this is still the "default setting"? hahahahahaha thanks Roosty for sharing your opinion on what a "true Australian" is...... maybe join us in the present once you've finished polishing your "Australia First Party" signs and watching re-runs of Kingswood Country perhaps?
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+x+xBeing a "true Australian" will never amount to disrespecting the Anzacs, as you did. No true Australian who loves their country, respects its history and heritage would dare say such a thing about those those shed blood for this country. What a disgraceful UNAUSTRALIAN thing for you to say. The Greek Australian community is one of the best integrated in the country, they would be appalled at you for bringing racist, Anzac hating shame to their community. I'm not surprised that you admit to hating the A league, must be awful to having to watch first tier football in proper stadiums with roofs and actual people in the crowd. I can imagine you sitting in the crowd feeling all insecure and uncomfortable sitting next to families with weird surnames like Smith and Jones. God forbid they eat a meat pie and chips, that will send your anxiety levels through the roof. Also while we are on the topic, a true Australian would never put their nationality and heritage on equal footing. A true Australian who is born and raised here would always put Australia first, heritage second. If you want to hate Anzac's , hate the A league, chest thump , wave greek flags and spew anglo hating racist bs then perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland. I'd suggest you go fellate yourself but since you don't have a penis, that would be quite the feat :laugh::laugh::laugh: He might listen to your suggestion.... but only if you are a "true Australian" hahahahahahahaha
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+x+xBeing a "true Australian" will never amount to disrespecting the Anzacs, as you did. No true Australian who loves their country, respects its history and heritage would dare say such a thing about those those shed blood for this country. What a disgraceful UNAUSTRALIAN thing for you to say. The Greek Australian community is one of the best integrated in the country, they would be appalled at you for bringing racist, Anzac hating shame to their community. I'm not surprised that you admit to hating the A league, must be awful to having to watch first tier football in proper stadiums with roofs and actual people in the crowd. I can imagine you sitting in the crowd feeling all insecure and uncomfortable sitting next to families with weird surnames like Smith and Jones. God forbid they eat a meat pie and chips, that will send your anxiety levels through the roof. Also while we are on the topic, a true Australian would never put their nationality and heritage on equal footing. A true Australian who is born and raised here would always put Australia first, heritage second. If you want to hate Anzac's , hate the A league, chest thump , wave greek flags and spew anglo hating racist bs then perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland. I'd suggest you go fellate yourself but since you don't have a penis, that would be quite the feat :laugh::laugh::laugh: That was lame. Not even close to being hurtful.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Nice try but NOPE, thats a fail buddy. I love this country like few others, I can assure you of that. The FA, like the me and the rest of the Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. You can persist with your assimilationist, right wing, "If you wanna be a true-blue youve gotta stop talking foreign gibberish and change your names to Smith and Jones" garbage but luckily for me the laws of Australia (and public sentiment) say otherwise. Mate you had a crack at the Anzacs, that is irreconcilable with “loving this country”. Only someone who has a deep and enduring hatred for this country would say such a thing. All your claptrap about “respect for all” is just weasel words, clearly you hate Anglos, hate Australia, hate the A league, hate the Socceroos, hate to see Australian football develop and prosper as it has for the past 20 years after being kept in the dark for the previous 40. You can wave your greek flags and thump your chest in the state leagues, there’s no need to being your anglo hating racism to national consciousness again. Hahahahahaah You goose, You poor jingoistic, nationalistic, misguided goose.... OK whatever mate. (you did get ONE thing right, I do hate the ponzi league) I WILL wave my Greek flag around with pride, thats what it means in 2023 to be a true Australian...I know it scares you that the young Australian of the year is a black refugee and all the prominent, well respected Australians have funny little wog names these days. You can take your "King and Country" fascist, throwback, knuckle dragging, colonialist bullshit back to 1959 and stay there.... Im moving forward. Being a "true Australian" will never amount to disrespecting the Anzacs, as you did. No true Australian who loves their country, respects its history and heritage would dare say such a thing about those those shed blood for this country. What a disgraceful UNAUSTRALIAN thing for you to say. The Greek Australian community is one of the best integrated in the country, they would be appalled at you for bringing racist, Anzac hating shame to their community. I'm not surprised that you admit to hating the A league, must be awful to having to watch first tier football in proper stadiums with roofs and actual people in the crowd. I can imagine you sitting in the crowd feeling all insecure and uncomfortable sitting next to families with weird surnames like Smith and Jones. God forbid they eat a meat pie and chips, that will send your anxiety levels through the roof. Also while we are on the topic, a true Australian would never put their nationality and heritage on equal footing. A true Australian who is born and raised here would always put Australia first, heritage second. If you want to hate Anzac's , hate the A league, chest thump , wave greek flags and spew anglo hating racist bs then perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland. "perhaps you should fuck off back to your motherland." - Quoted by Roosty the day after Australia Day 2023...... Hahahahah BINGO...... Its 2023 and this is still the "default setting"? hahahahahaha thanks Roosty for sharing your opinion on what a "true Australian" is...... maybe join us in the present once you've finished polishing your "Australia First Party" signs and watching re-runs of Kingswood Country perhaps? "Theres plenty of pebbly beaches around Dubrovnik you can send boatloads of young diggers to get mowed down in machine gun fire though" - Quoted by Mono You can deflect all you want, mono, in the end of the day you said this terrible terrible thing. There is no hiding, there is no coming back from this, your hatred for Australia, its people, its sacred traditions is on full display, for the entire world to see. You are not a true Australian.
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+x+xImagine wanting to see Australian players who are born and raised in Australia and developed in Australia play for Australia, and then being called a Xenophobe. The truth is anglo haters like mono hate our country, and hate the fact football has gone mainstream and would love nothing more than to see the a league fall over so we can return football to NSL era cow paddocks, crowds of 1,500 and zero public interest all so we can beat his chest and wave his greek flag. Australian population, is proud of our multicultural nation. One where EVERYONE is made to feel part of the fabric of the country. One where respect is given to ALL who embrace the Australian way of life. Nice speech which one can't disagree with. So why don't multicultural fan bases go and watch mono ethnic clubs in numbers like they do the A-League? Given your statement, the answer may not be palatable.
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