https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-25/did-a-league-men-attendance-benefit-from-the-socceroos-world-cup/101879998
                
MV   15,796>>after the world cup 7734
WSW  14964 >> 6482
Syd FC   14702>> 8892
Mel city.  9749>> 9314
Jet.  8809>>5792
Adel   8653>>7726
Brisbane.  7224>> 4346
Perth   7009>>4503
Wellington.  6665>>6140
CCM   6600>>6578
Macarthur.  5615>>6368
Western UTD 4409>>3622

Personally I think the main reason is Sydney hosting the Grand Final making ppl turning their back on the A- league. But it is a shame that making the last 16 means nothing to the league.

Are you sure that is right? I had the impression that Adelaide's attendances had been OK since the World Cup.

There’s still lots of upheaval in the league, so things will not really stabilise until

- Perth move back to HBF
- WU builds a home ground
- Roar returns to Suncorp
- Victory active are active again
- Active supporters end their strike

Couldn’t agree more. That and bucket boy screwing up Victory attendance numbers.

I absolutely LOATHE Danny Townsend and the fact he seems to be unaccountable for the downturn in crowd numbers since his brainfart Sydney call.

There is no one reason numbers are going down, but rather a bunch of smaller reasons all at once.

• Always a dip over late Dec and Jan. Many people do a bit of travel over the summer break. I for one, missed 2 games as I was interstate at the time.
• SFC and MV performing poorly brings the numbers down. Many of the casuals (and plenty of members) will drop off if their teams are losing. Less incentive to watch your team at the bottom as their is no relegation.
• MV is members only and no away bays at home. Also no away bays for MV fans when playing away.
• Perth playing out of a temp venue
• WU doesn't have a stadium, although they pulled a bigger crowd in Hobart than they do at AAMI
• Roar also have stadium issues, with Redcliffe being a bit of a journey for anyone who lives in the southern suburbs of Brisbane.
• GF decision was the final straw for many.
• Paramount+ has been unreliable. If people can't even watch at home, they are just going to direct their time/money elsewhere.

Well done to the Mariners for remaining relatively stable, and Macarthur actually increased!  (which is a little bit counter-intuitive).

The pitch invasion and the aftermath might have a tiny bit to do it with it, but the reasons are pretty obvious because we see it every year:
- big games are stacked in the early rounds (when there is often a lot of interest with a new season starting in any event)
 - playing games through the holiday season can be a mixed blessing for a variety of reasons, crowds can be very up and down depending on the usual quirks of this time of year.

As for the general theme of the article:  surprise, surprise, the majority of people are event goers.  They like a night out, fooling around, having a drink and a laugh, but at the end of the day, they don't really give a damn about anything that requires more than 5 minutes focus.

Welcome to the real world.

These 2 were massive for me. Unsubscribed the week they announced they'd sold the GFs. Was unhappy with Paramount but thought it was important for the league to have as many subscribers as possible for the TV deal. As soon as fuckhead said they'd sold the GF I was out.

I posted this in the attendance thread but this is appropriate for it to.

"Its a bit strange including both home and away attendances in a club's average attendance and the analysis is a bit simplistic.  Take Sydney FC, the first 7 games included a Big Blue at home, Adelaide at home, a Sydney Derby at home and City at home while the next 6 games were all against the bottom drawing clubs with 4 of the games away.  Of course they dropped 40%, what else would anyone expect?  I haven't bothered checking the rest but I am wondering whether the clubs that have had a more balanced fixture are the ones that have not dropped as much.  If I get time I might do a spreadsheet." 

Especially considering they are running at such a loss financially. 
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/10knw7k/mariners_currently_operating_at_a_2m_loss/

Well WU did post better "away" crowds than "home" :P

The A League keeps stifling, abruptly stopping for any reason, usually self interest and greed, it can never gain momentum.

So those figures are not just home attendances? Uh Uh..

The figures in the first table in the article are the average for all games each club has played in.  The figures in the second table are the average for home games. 

How could you compare victory's numbers with a straight face ? 

The Sydney GF decision without any fan consultation showed a compromised league.

Fans have turned their back on the league after this decision and rightly so.

Rubbish

Few if any who still attend the AL would really care about a decision that would only likely ever effect MC fans.

More likely the WC forced home how far the AL is from real football

I cannot believe that Charlesworth walked away from the Mariners whilst being able to keep the Tuggerah facility as an asset. The club spent years piecing that together, including pulling in public money. Outrageous!

As for the topic of this thread, I think all posters have nailed the issues. For me, the grand final decision and the bad press from the Melbourne derby fallout are up there. Paramount is also inexcusable, and even worse is that we haven’t even heard a response from them after the fuck up that was the Adelaide - Macarthur game.

This 100%.... I dont understand the intricacies of franchising but the Tuggerah facility (IMHO) should be an asset of the club and NOT be seperated.

Doesn't an uneven draw with some teams playing each other twice and other 3 times already show a compromised league?

This illustrates perfectly the downside of our franchising/licensing system.
Owners own the license.
The license gives the owner permission to enter a team in the A-League (and that's something of value to the owner).
The owner then tries to access a range of fringe benefits to make it all worth his while, afterall, he (it's usually a he) is losing around $2 million to $3 million per annum.
Those fringe benefits invariably include access to cheap land - the owner is effectively conning local/state governments into providing them with cheap land, ostensibly for the benefit of the club they own - but there is no club - there's just a license to play.
So the owner will always...ALWAYS...want to own that land in their own name.
Of course you would, you'd have to have rocks in your head to pass up that opportunity and leave the title in the name of a franchise.

The Wanderers owners don't own the land that they have built the Wanderers Football Centre on.  It is leased, some from Blacktown Council and some from the NSW Crown.  Funding for the development has come from the owners of the club, council, state grants and another private source.  I was talking at my place a few years ago to the bloke that did the legals for the deal and it is about 300 pages iirc and it covers all sorts of eventualities he said without sharing confidential details.

The difference is the 2k bigger crowd at the first home game against Victory.  

If your a season ticket owner you'd certainly be pissed.
The decision made immediately devalued the benefit of getting a membership.

One of rewards of having a season ticket is you got priority for tickets in finals and it rewarded loyalty with the longer serving members getting an earlier window to purchase finals and GF tickets for a home final.

Now that the next 3 seasons are automatically in Sydeny it completely devalues the above incentive for Perth, Adel, Bris, Wellington & the Victorian clubs in particular.

It's a slap in the face to the rusted on's and would've been the final straw for many

True.
It's probably not the right choice of words by me.
Perhaps the 'integrity' of the competition is slightly better wording as it doesn't provide a distinct advantage for the higher ranked side who had earnt the right.

I don't know, Man United just drew with Crystal Palace in the league and now play them again. It happens all over the world. In that case, Man United will be obviously keen to right the wrongs of the 90th minute equaliser from the prior game.

lets get the facts here though, like all leagues fixtures we're turned upside down due to the Qatar WC eh, many many fixtures also had been re jigged.
Trying to mix in with the 2 x Cup fixtures another but the point is no matter how close some H/A fixtures are everyone plays each other twice as per normal unlike this claytons comp.
All those leagues will carry on as per normal next season on whereas here, who's on 1st whats on 2nd next season and onwards re ALM.....
Some play twice or 3 times as mentioned, thats not a balanced comp whatsoever.

i watch the AL on Paramount and 10 but i dont attend the league anymore 

partly becuz im too busy but the other part is the match day experience isnt 'worth it' there isnt a lot of atmosphere and the league in general is somewhat boring - the leagues sterilised 

lastly part because after the whole SU58 v Bulls Final  i cant support a league that doesnt support the clubs that have made this country great. I know there was 'some' bad behaviour but 16.5k fans turned out to support a NPL club which is more then any average AL side is getting right now and the FA treated them like shit. No one cares about Bulls people do care about SU58 but one of those clubs is in the top division and the other isnt. Until the league fixes itself why would i care to waste money attending it? 

The FA should never of fined the club, Welcome to country has no place at football, either do pride round or pride flags or any other sporting event and personally speaking the Bulls shouldnt even exist - too much politics in sport these days 

the world cup was the best world cup in a long time becuz Qatar kept all that shit out of the game and kept it about football - we could learn from that, at the time i was shattered with missed out on hosting but now i am glad we would of had crap AFL-esq stadiums, crap social politics everywhere and other bullshit Australia panders too 

the lack of P/R essentially means these 'dead clubs' no one cares about can continue being dead clubs no one cares about and the clubs that have support and community engagement are kept out. - no successful footballing nation has a league that runs like this why do we? 

I also could not care in the slightest about the WWC being held here but the fact the FA allowed 7 to get the rights to it when 10 has put its neck out for football kind of shows how dumb the FA are they could of used that event to promote the W-League (yes i still call it that) but that wont happen on 7 as we will be hit was AFL and AFLW ads every 5mins a long with every other code bar football in there catalog


i always thought i'd be less a Euro football supporter as the AL matured and honestly speaking it has become the opposite i dont think im the only one   

Yeah scheduling is a bit wacky due to the WC this year as LFC said but as far as I know they still only play them twice in the league (once home, once away) ... 

LOL.

Denial isn’t a river in Egypt.

The Sydney GF decision is the single worst decision ever made by a governing body in my time following football. Far worse than anything done by the old FFA… and they fucked up many, many times.

The grand final decision was like a short sighted government selling off public assets for a quick buck. Danny and his APL mates have no idea what they are doing - that much is obvious. Someone should monetise the long term damage they have caused.

Most disappointing though is the complete lack of leadership. If you are going to make big decisions (even shambolic ones), don’t go hiding afterwards. If you are going to sell the tv rights to a streaming company without an app - make a statement when the product is poor. Don’t go hiding.