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+x+xThe scenario that will play out next year is how many A-League fans go back to supporting their NSL club in the event their club gets selected. Personally, I never had a NSL club although I did attend a few games here and there. I do however know some Knights supporters who have spoken about abandoning MC and just following the NSD if Knights get selected. It is also no secret that a large number of Soutth Melbourne supporters also support MV. It will be interesting to see what they do. With the seasons not really being aligned, it is possible for people to just follow football all year round. NSD in the winter, AL in the summer. Interested to hear how people think crowds at other AL clubs will be effected. I imagine SFC and WSW would have to lose supporters to the NSD. You, my friend, are a South Melbourne supporter... I will hear NO Argument about it... heheheheh I have heard about the same grumblings from ex-NSL supporters... Many "mates' claim they are done with Victory and City (sorry have never actually met anyone that supports WU) and have started asking about Hellas membership and what its like at Lakeside these days... Might see a few this season sussing it out before the NST starts... a week and a bit to go, who knows? Nah. However, I do plan on following and watching the NSD as a neutral. Although I will always favour the Victorian sides. Well maybe not Preston, but the others are ok by me.
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+xThe scenario that will play out next year is how many A-League fans go back to supporting their NSL club in the event their club gets selected. Personally, I never had a NSL club although I did attend a few games here and there. I do however know some Knights supporters who have spoken about abandoning MC and just following the NSD if Knights get selected. It is also no secret that a large number of Soutth Melbourne supporters also support MV. It will be interesting to see what they do. With the seasons not really being aligned, it is possible for people to just follow football all year round. NSD in the winter, AL in the summer. Interested to hear how people think crowds at other AL clubs will be effected. I imagine SFC and WSW would have to lose supporters to the NSD. You, my friend, are a South Melbourne supporter... I will hear NO Argument about it... heheheheh I have heard about the same grumblings from ex-NSL supporters... Many "mates' claim they are done with Victory and City (sorry have never actually met anyone that supports WU) and have started asking about Hellas membership and what its like at Lakeside these days... Might see a few this season sussing it out before the NST starts... a week and a bit to go, who knows? Nah. However, I do plan on following and watching the NSD as a neutral. Although I will always favour the Victorian sides. Well maybe not Preston, but the others are ok by me. Can't blame a man for trying :P
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+x+x+x+xThe decisions on active support are obviosly impacting Victories atmosphere and numbers. I'll be interested to see how we bounce back next year. Be interesting if those people ever come back. I think punishing everyone was a bit much. Agree. They used a bulldozer to crack a coconut. What's funny/annoying is our administrators ALWAYS forget that nobody cares about us. As in, a big media backlash over any incident lasts a week TOPS and that's if it's REALLY bad like this one From then on everyone else goes back to ignoring our sport yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves and make rash panicked decisions It would be almost comical if it wasn't so tragic. They could have banned for life the invaders, played 1-2 games behind closed doors as a public display and just gone back to normal and the rest of the fans wouldn;t have felt persecuted for the crimes of others Nah, there had to be a show of force beyond what you'd normally expect. It wasn't a time for a slap on the wrist. They really had no choice but to crack down. Mainstream media would've killed us otherwise.
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+x+x+x+xThe decisions on active support are obviosly impacting Victories atmosphere and numbers. I'll be interested to see how we bounce back next year. Be interesting if those people ever come back. I think punishing everyone was a bit much. Agree. They used a bulldozer to crack a coconut. What's funny/annoying is our administrators ALWAYS forget that nobody cares about us. As in, a big media backlash over any incident lasts a week TOPS and that's if it's REALLY bad like this one From then on everyone else goes back to ignoring our sport yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves and make rash panicked decisions It would be almost comical if it wasn't so tragic. They could have banned for life the invaders, played 1-2 games behind closed doors as a public display and just gone back to normal and the rest of the fans wouldn;t have felt persecuted for the crimes of others Even 1 or 2 games behind closed doors is nonsense. Doing that would only appease the NRL/ AFL friendly media. Yes , ban the invaders, but not the others.
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+xThe scenario that will play out next year is how many A-League fans go back to supporting their NSL club in the event their club gets selected. Personally, I never had a NSL club although I did attend a few games here and there. I do however know some Knights supporters who have spoken about abandoning MC and just following the NSD if Knights get selected. It is also no secret that a large number of Soutth Melbourne supporters also support MV. It will be interesting to see what they do. With the seasons not really being aligned, it is possible for people to just follow football all year round. NSD in the winter, AL in the summer. Interested to hear how people think crowds at other AL clubs will be effected. I imagine SFC and WSW would have to lose supporters to the NSD. little to zero. we're talking 20 years, basically a generation.
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+x+xThe scenario that will play out next year is how many A-League fans go back to supporting their NSL club in the event their club gets selected. Personally, I never had a NSL club although I did attend a few games here and there. I do however know some Knights supporters who have spoken about abandoning MC and just following the NSD if Knights get selected. It is also no secret that a large number of Soutth Melbourne supporters also support MV. It will be interesting to see what they do. With the seasons not really being aligned, it is possible for people to just follow football all year round. NSD in the winter, AL in the summer. Interested to hear how people think crowds at other AL clubs will be effected. I imagine SFC and WSW would have to lose supporters to the NSD. little to zero. we're talking 20 years, basically a generation. Yeah I agree with that... Will be a few but not THAT many... Quite a few have burned their bridges by now and probably wouldn't feel like they "belong" back at their respective clubs. Most South fans I have spoken to over the past few days say they would be happy for some of these "apostates" to come back to Lakeside but there are some well known vocal "turncoats" who will have to eat a lot of humble pie before they come crawling back....
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+x+xThe decisions on active support are obviosly impacting Victories atmosphere and numbers. I'll be interested to see how we bounce back next year. Be interesting if those people ever come back. I think punishing everyone was a bit much. Agree. They used a bulldozer to crack a coconut. What's funny/annoying is our administrators ALWAYS forget that nobody cares about us. As in, a big media backlash over any incident lasts a week TOPS and that's if it's REALLY bad like this one From then on everyone else goes back to ignoring our sport yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves and make rash panicked decisions It would be almost comical if it wasn't so tragic. They could have banned for life the invaders, played 1-2 games behind closed doors as a public display and just gone back to normal and the rest of the fans wouldn;t have felt persecuted for the crimes of others Even 1 or 2 games behind closed doors is nonsense. Doing that would only appease the NRL/ AFL friendly media. Yes , ban the invaders, but not the others. I tend to agree but said that as in "if they HAD to do some public charade" a closed game would achieve that and in a language that football supporters understand as it does happen around the world for large transgressions
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+x+x+x+x+xThe decisions on active support are obviosly impacting Victories atmosphere and numbers. I'll be interested to see how we bounce back next year. Be interesting if those people ever come back. I think punishing everyone was a bit much. Agree. They used a bulldozer to crack a coconut. What's funny/annoying is our administrators ALWAYS forget that nobody cares about us. As in, a big media backlash over any incident lasts a week TOPS and that's if it's REALLY bad like this one From then on everyone else goes back to ignoring our sport yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves and make rash panicked decisions It would be almost comical if it wasn't so tragic. They could have banned for life the invaders, played 1-2 games behind closed doors as a public display and just gone back to normal and the rest of the fans wouldn;t have felt persecuted for the crimes of others Nah, there had to be a show of force beyond what you'd normally expect. It wasn't a time for a slap on the wrist. They really had no choice but to crack down. Mainstream media would've killed us otherwise. Mainstream media would not have given a shit a week later - that is my entire point The x games behind closed doors would have been that show of force and wouldn't have alienated everyone else
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There was 60,000 at Sydney/WSW game a few years back. What happened? Therein lies the answer as to why crowds have plummeted over the past few years.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe decisions on active support are obviosly impacting Victories atmosphere and numbers. I'll be interested to see how we bounce back next year. Be interesting if those people ever come back. I think punishing everyone was a bit much. Agree. They used a bulldozer to crack a coconut. What's funny/annoying is our administrators ALWAYS forget that nobody cares about us. As in, a big media backlash over any incident lasts a week TOPS and that's if it's REALLY bad like this one From then on everyone else goes back to ignoring our sport yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves and make rash panicked decisions It would be almost comical if it wasn't so tragic. They could have banned for life the invaders, played 1-2 games behind closed doors as a public display and just gone back to normal and the rest of the fans wouldn;t have felt persecuted for the crimes of others Nah, there had to be a show of force beyond what you'd normally expect. It wasn't a time for a slap on the wrist. They really had no choice but to crack down. Mainstream media would've killed us otherwise. Mainstream media would not have given a shit a week later - that is my entire point The x games behind closed doors would have been that show of force and wouldn't have alienated everyone else Mainstream media would not forget. We'd be a target of constant sniping and sneering on talk shows and the like. Otherwise, they would ignore us even more than they're already doing. The a-league would likely disappear altogether from sport segments on the news. The reaction had to be harsh. They had to show the wider mainstream culture that football does not tolerate assaults on players and officials on the field of play, and that there are real consequences for such behaviour. It's a ridiculous thing to have to prove in Australia in 2023, but here we are. We brought this on ourselves. It's no one else fault. We're actually pretty fucking dumb.
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Crowds aren’t as bad as they seem.
Adelaide, Sydney, WSW and CCM are up on 2018/19 averages.
Perth’s home is receiving upgrades.
Roar have sacrificed fans for lower operating costs.
MV are down but this is a temporary blip and you imagine will recover as people forget about the GF decision and pitch insurrection.
In all honesty the league probably just needs a couple of bumper derbies and a few positive headlines and crowds will slowly recover.
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+xThere was 60,000 at Sydney/WSW game a few years back. What happened? Therein lies the answer as to why crowds have plummeted over the past few years. What happened? It was a peak then and we are now in a trough. Ups and downs so the cycle goes. Pathetic effort by the APL so far, but of course anything is better than Lowy, right.
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+x+xThere was 60,000 at Sydney/WSW game a few years back. What happened? Therein lies the answer as to why crowds have plummeted over the past few years. What happened? It was a peak then and we are now in a trough. Ups and downs so the cycle goes. Pathetic effort by the APL so far, but of course anything is better than Lowy, right. Is that you Remote Control ?! Was wondering why u hadn’t posted for a few weeks
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe decisions on active support are obviosly impacting Victories atmosphere and numbers. I'll be interested to see how we bounce back next year. Be interesting if those people ever come back. I think punishing everyone was a bit much. Agree. They used a bulldozer to crack a coconut. What's funny/annoying is our administrators ALWAYS forget that nobody cares about us. As in, a big media backlash over any incident lasts a week TOPS and that's if it's REALLY bad like this one From then on everyone else goes back to ignoring our sport yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves and make rash panicked decisions It would be almost comical if it wasn't so tragic. They could have banned for life the invaders, played 1-2 games behind closed doors as a public display and just gone back to normal and the rest of the fans wouldn;t have felt persecuted for the crimes of others Nah, there had to be a show of force beyond what you'd normally expect. It wasn't a time for a slap on the wrist. They really had no choice but to crack down. Mainstream media would've killed us otherwise. Mainstream media would not have given a shit a week later - that is my entire point The x games behind closed doors would have been that show of force and wouldn't have alienated everyone else Mainstream media would not forget. We'd be a target of constant sniping and sneering on talk shows and the like. Otherwise, they would ignore us even more than they're already doing. The a-league would likely disappear altogether from sport segments on the news. It's already happened. It happened long before that incident. If they talk about us it's sniping and sneering otherwise they ignore us. We had a good 10 years or so and we should be happy we lived through that
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+xMV are down but this is a temporary blip and you imagine will recover as people forget about the GF decision and pitch insurrection. lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol If you believe people are going to forget the GF decision, you do not understand the mentality of your average Melbourne Victory punter. We’ve averaged 6,000 for the 3 home games we’ve had since the GF decision. It’s not a temporary blip. This is the new normal. Mark my words.
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someguyjc
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+x+xMV are down but this is a temporary blip and you imagine will recover as people forget about the GF decision and pitch insurrection. lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol If you believe people are going to forget the GF decision, you do not understand the mentality of your average Melbourne Victory punter. We’ve averaged 6,000 for the 3 home games we’ve had since the GF decision. It’s not a temporary blip. This is the new normal. Mark my words. We bottom of the ladder. I'd say that is a pretty big contributing factor. Not the only one, but definitely doesn't help.
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+x+xMV are down but this is a temporary blip and you imagine will recover as people forget about the GF decision and pitch insurrection. lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol If you believe people are going to forget the GF decision, you do not understand the mentality of your average Melbourne Victory punter. We’ve averaged 6,000 for the 3 home games we’ve had since the GF decision. It’s not a temporary blip. This is the new normal. Mark my words. Lololololol
How do you explain the 18k who turned up to the derby immediately following the announcement?
Clearly you are just blowing hot air our your asshole and have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
I mean lets not pretend that sitting bottom on the ladder and having ticket sales restricted isnt going to affect numbers duuuuuuuur
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Davide82
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+x+xMV are down but this is a temporary blip and you imagine will recover as people forget about the GF decision and pitch insurrection. lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol If you believe people are going to forget the GF decision, you do not understand the mentality of your average Melbourne Victory punter. We’ve averaged 6,000 for the 3 home games we’ve had since the GF decision. It’s not a temporary blip. This is the new normal. Mark my words. I know you claimed some percentage elsewhere but are you sure you are not overblowing that angle and underrepresenting the angle of a pitch invasion assault on a player leading to restrictions?
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Oh and tony bald spot popovic???!!!! lololololololololol
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+xLololololol
How do you explain the 18k who turned up to the derby immediately following the announcement?
Clearly you are just blowing hot air our your asshole and have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
I mean lets not pretend that sitting bottom on the ladder and having ticket sales restricted isnt going to affect numbers duuuuuuuur
I have no idea what I’m talking about? I am a long-term victory member (I also own shares) with my ear on the ground and I know more than what you fucking know when it comes to the views of the rank and file punter, you absolute turnip!! Yes, the sanctions are a factor. But it’s completely naive and simplistic to suggest everyone will turn up again once the sanctions are gone. Its gonna take years (if ever). As I stated in another thread, I would estimate the main reason for Vuck fans not showing up: - 60% re the Sydney GF decision. - 30% the unfair sanctions and onerous ticketing process. - 10% on field performance.
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+x+xLololololol
How do you explain the 18k who turned up to the derby immediately following the announcement?
Clearly you are just blowing hot air our your asshole and have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
I mean lets not pretend that sitting bottom on the ladder and having ticket sales restricted isnt going to affect numbers duuuuuuuur
I have no idea what I’m talking about? I am a long-term victory member (I also own shares) with my ear on the ground and I know more than what you fucking know when it comes to the views of the rank and file punter, you absolute turnip!! lol all that proves you have no idea what you are talking about. What the fuck does owning shares have to do with anything? You have your "ear on the ground"? Victory has over 20k members, how many have you spoken to personally? 0.1%? Making broad strokes based on a few drunken pub chats with OSM members doesnt give you any authority mate. Again how do you explain the 18k who turned up, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING the APL decision? I will explain to you human nature; When APL announced their decision many fans were very angry and vowed never to attend or watch an A league game again. Then over time they got less angry, and as we have seen with most clubs, they have recovered their historical averages prior to the APL decision. The exception is MV, who were hit by a triple whammy; APL crowds, clusterfuck pitch invasion, crowd restrictions and poor results. However, time, being the great healer that it is, everyone, including you, will come to accept the APL decision because your love for MV is greater than your hatred for the APL. With MV its taking a little bit longer, but good results and an epic derby will certainly speed up the process. The 60%, 40% blah blah is just asinine waffle.
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+x+x+xThere was 60,000 at Sydney/WSW game a few years back. What happened? Therein lies the answer as to why crowds have plummeted over the past few years. What happened? It was a peak then and we are now in a trough. Ups and downs so the cycle goes. Pathetic effort by the APL so far, but of course anything is better than Lowy, right. Is that you Remote Control ?! Was wondering why u hadn’t posted for a few weeks As part of his transition into normal society his shrink told him to ditch the Etch-A-Sketch.
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+x+x+xThere was 60,000 at Sydney/WSW game a few years back. What happened? Therein lies the answer as to why crowds have plummeted over the past few years. What happened? It was a peak then and we are now in a trough. Ups and downs so the cycle goes. Pathetic effort by the APL so far, but of course anything is better than Lowy, right. Is that you Remote Control ?! Was wondering why u hadn’t posted for a few weeks No mate I'm not, but apparently I'm also supposed to be 2 or 3 other people. It's fun listening to the speculation.
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The grass isn't always greener, But how many here would admit they got it wrong on the need to leave Murdoch and the ffa
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+xThe grass isn't always greener, But how many here would admit they got it wrong on the need to leave Murdoch and the ffa Fox Sports ended up running A League into the ground while they still had broadcasting rights! Damaged the AL, then ditched it. Fuck Murdoch. FA and Apl have stuffed up some things for sure - but I know that there wouldn’t be ANY talk -like there is now- about a NSD if old FFA was still in charge. And Socceroos under new FA just had there highest ever finish at a Wcup with 2 consecutive wins. so my answer is a NO.
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+xThe grass isn't always greener, But how many here would admit they got it wrong on the need to leave Murdoch and the ffa Both would be as bad Without ,P&R driving improvement and eliminating incompetence its inevitable You'd be blaming JJ instead of Townsend
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+x+xLololololol
How do you explain the 18k who turned up to the derby immediately following the announcement?
Clearly you are just blowing hot air our your asshole and have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
I mean lets not pretend that sitting bottom on the ladder and having ticket sales restricted isnt going to affect numbers duuuuuuuur
I have no idea what I’m talking about? I am a long-term victory member (I also own shares) with my ear on the ground and I know more than what you fucking know when it comes to the views of the rank and file punter, you absolute turnip!! Yes, the sanctions are a factor. But it’s completely naive and simplistic to suggest everyone will turn up again once the sanctions are gone. Its gonna take years (if ever). As I stated in another thread, I would estimate the main reason for Vuck fans not showing up: - 60% re the Sydney GF decision. - 30% the unfair sanctions and onerous ticketing process. - 10% on field performance. If 60% aren't showing up because of the Sydney GF decision, then they are not true football people.
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+xThe grass isn't always greener, But how many here would admit they got it wrong on the need to leave Murdoch and the ffa Good point. Not many would admit it as it's hard to talk with egg on the face.
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+x+xThe grass isn't always greener, But how many here would admit they got it wrong on the need to leave Murdoch and the ffa Fox Sports ended up running A League into the ground while they still had broadcasting rights! Damaged the AL, then ditched it. Fuck Murdoch. FA and Apl have stuffed up some things for sure - but I know that there wouldn’t be ANY talk -like there is now- about a NSD if old FFA was still in charge. And Socceroos under new FA just had there highest ever finish at a Wcup with 2 consecutive wins. so my answer is a NO. See what I mean! The old FFA kicked the NSD discussions off before the new mob rolled in. Same for expansion. The old FFA set the precedence and left no stone unturned to qualify for the 2006 WC after many decades in no mans land. The move from Oceania to Asia, orchestrated by the old FFA was and still is instrumental in raising our game to meet the toughness required to participate. Arnold was the architect of the 2 wins you mentioned, which still pales in comparison vs the numerous consecutive WC qualifications. Nothing to do with the new FA.
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+x+xThe grass isn't always greener, But how many here would admit they got it wrong on the need to leave Murdoch and the ffa Good point. Not many would admit it as it's hard to talk with egg on the face. Egg on face Sounds familiar
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