Australia vs Ecuador 2023


Australia vs Ecuador 2023

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Davide82 - 28 Mar 2023 9:36 PM


I think with another ref it’s a totally different game. Genuinely 10-15 fouls on us not given that would have allowed us to keep posession rather than turn and chase

Agree.
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johnszasz - 29 Mar 2023 5:27 AM


Devlin wasn't bad. He just wasn't involved. The ball was never given to him in attack nor did he really go for it. O'Neill on the other hand appeared trusted by the others as a conductor of play.

There were a few key differences between the two.

It probably wasn't a question that  O'Neill was more trusted than Devlin, but a case of O'Neill 's off the ball movement was better when we were in possession.

O'Neill moved more quickly to support the ball carrier, opening passing lanes that  made it easier for teammates to pass to him. O'Neill was more proficient  taking quick looks over his shoulder  to see where his Ecuadoran markers were - hence moving to open viable passing lanes accordingly.

When they had the ball he  condensed space better than Devlin. He was helped later in the game, with Irvine proceeding to be a twin midfield screener or DM, in the DM line.

Another big factor was that O'Neill read the play better than Devlin when we were in BPO or DT. He anticipated where there was a possibility of making a tackle through  better reading of the game. He also roughed  up the Ecuadorans a bit, which was needed. It unsettled them.

Devlin tackled well when he got to the challenges. He just didn't anticipate them as well as O'Neill.
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Ecuador are ranked 3rd or 4th in South America.

Over the two games we won 4-3 on aggregate!

Despite the Aus public not being interested in them, they are a quality team. They drew with Netherlands in Qatar and lost to Senegal. Hence, not progressing  through the group phase on goal difference.

Enjoyed the two games immensely!
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roosty - 29 Mar 2023 12:41 AM
chondro - 28 Mar 2023 11:03 PM

What do you mean he was excellent? He has two senior caps for the Socceroos, and as recently as this year, as a 26 year old he was playing in J2. We all saw why tonight. No your eyes did not deceive. He is garbage.

Duke says hello from j2… 
Deng was excellent prior to WC, one of the best in j2 at the time and vs nz. Been great for olyroos too.
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chondro - 29 Mar 2023 8:45 AM
roosty - 29 Mar 2023 12:41 AM

Duke says hello from j2… 
Deng was excellent prior to WC, one of the best in j2 at the time and vs nz. Been great for olyroos too.

Duke is our top striker for the Socceroos, despite playing in J2. He has achieved on the biggest stage in football  - the World Cup. He is a quality central striker at the highest level of international football - the pinnacle of the sport. It  doesn't matter where he plays club football, if he is as good as he is at international level. 

I think Roosty might be prone to trying to wind people up! Best ignored.  His forte is trolling other trolls.
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Good first 15 minutes and good last 10 minutes

It was clear that they out-muscled us and had superior touch, weight of passing, direction, and range and ability in playing in tight spaces.... I thought our youth development was focusing on this......I don't think I've seen an Australian player consistently cushion dead an aerial pass as the Ecuador players were able to.

Not sure why Deng was at Left back.

Not sure what Cummings offers.



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chondro - 29 Mar 2023 8:45 AM
roosty - 29 Mar 2023 12:41 AM

Duke says hello from j2… 
Deng was excellent prior to WC, one of the best in j2 at the time and vs nz. Been great for olyroos too.

Its still J2, yeah?

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I’m struggling to think of a reason for why Deng was just so, so shit. 

Maybe the lack of physicality in Japan suits him, but he’d struggle in a more physical league? Hmm. 

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johnszasz - 29 Mar 2023 8:19 AM
Had Strain started and overlapped then Metcalfe would've been fine playing a little more inside like he has been at St Pauli. I also found McGree was often rooted to the midddle and wasn't able to roam as wide as he would for Boro. 

I think what his club is doing with Metcalf is play him not as a winger but an attacking midfielder who works out wide because that's where the space is these days, hence his success with assists.

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Bowden - 29 Mar 2023 9:24 AM
I’m struggling to think of a reason for why Deng was just so, so shit. 

Maybe the lack of physicality in Japan suits him, but he’d struggle in a more physical league? Hmm. 

Why was he at LB?

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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:26 AM
Bowden - 29 Mar 2023 9:24 AM

Why was he at LB?

He wasn’t. 
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Bowden - 29 Mar 2023 9:29 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:26 AM

He wasn’t. 

He conceded the penalty on the left side.

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Good game for us to learn and be tested it's what we needed so we're ready in the future and work on the aspects.

Wright shouldn't be near the socceroos not good enough.
Deng looked second rate
Kuol needs to work harder for me and improve his first touch stay involved.
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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:31 AM
Bowden - 29 Mar 2023 9:29 AM

He conceded the penalty on the left side.

Yes, because he was playing LCB.

It’s pretty common to have fullbacks making attacking runs these days. They don’t always sit back like the old days. 
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grazorblade - 28 Mar 2023 11:01 PM
roosty - 28 Mar 2023 10:53 PM

To be fair a different ref that cuts out all the rough stuff and he probably stands out

It wasn't "rough stuff", he is just too small and slow. He wouldn't even make a good RB.
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Munrubenmuz - 28 Mar 2023 9:46 PM
Davide82 - 28 Mar 2023 9:31 PM

Mate I was talking to Grazer and you jumped in. Then you assumed what I was thinking about McGree based on nothing I said.



Grazer said the ref was crap as soon as the no pen call on mcGree happened.
Safe to assume that was what he was talking about but sure, have a good one Mr Cranky


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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:26 AM
johnszasz - 29 Mar 2023 8:19 AM

I think what his club is doing with Metcalf is play him not as a winger but an attacking midfielder who works out wide because that's where the space is these days, hence his success with assists.

No , he is played as a right winger at st Pauli
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Decentric 2 - 29 Mar 2023 8:38 AM
johnszasz - 29 Mar 2023 5:27 AM

There were a few key differences between the two.

It probably wasn't a question that  O'Neill was more trusted than Devlin, but a case of O'Neill 's off the ball movement was better when we were in possession.

O'Neill moved more quickly to support the ball carrier, opening passing lanes that  made it easier for teammates to pass to him. O'Neill was more proficient  taking quick looks over his shoulder  to see where his Ecuadoran markers were - hence moving to open viable passing lanes accordingly.

When they had the ball he  condensed space better than Devlin. He was helped later in the game, with Irvine proceeding to be a twin midfield screener or DM, in the DM line.

Another big factor was that O'Neill read the play better than Devlin when we were in BPO or DT. He anticipated where there was a possibility of making a tackle through  better reading of the game. He also roughed  up the Ecuadorans a bit, which was needed. It unsettled them.

Devlin tackled well when he got to the challenges. He just didn't anticipate them as well as O'Neill.

Totally agree
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mark_000au - 29 Mar 2023 10:40 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:26 AM

No , he is played as a right winger at st Pauli

No he's not. He is play as a right attacking midfielder and doesn't run the by line or move like a modern attacking winger. The only evidence people have for saying he is playing as a winger are the formations posted on google. 
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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:22 AM
Good first 15 minutes and good last 10 minutes

It was clear that they out-muscled us and had superior touch, weight of passing, direction, and range and ability in playing in tight spaces.... I thought our youth development was focusing on this......I don't think I've seen an Australian player consistently cushion dead an aerial pass as the Ecuador players were able to.

Not sure why Deng was at Left back.

Not sure what Cummings offers.


Their #8 was immense.....


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Dan_The_Red - 28 Mar 2023 9:53 PM
bettega - 28 Mar 2023 9:52 PM

Looks to be offside when Goodwin hits it. I could be be wrong only caught it quick.

I thought so too but on reply not so sure.... Nice hit by Goodwin, would have been a "highlights reel" goal for me if it went in.
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Capac - 29 Mar 2023 10:56 AM
mark_000au - 29 Mar 2023 10:40 AM

No he's not. He is play as a right attacking midfielder and doesn't run the by line or move like a modern attacking winger. The only evidence people have for saying he is playing as a winger are the formations posted on google. 

haha ba boom.....

and Deng really isn't a viable CB either side for my liking.
Post pen there was a long ball fed over the top of them and it was one of those moments between Gauci and him with the ecuadorian right on his butt, he didn't make the early mind call of clearing it plain and simple rule 101# but he let the ball keep being unattended for the moment longer than you should and thinking Gauci may collect it.
That kind of decision process should be spontanious for a CB boot it to safety the first moment you can time your swing to ball take control not wonder about the keeper.


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Ecuador really came out tactically strong, they were good on the ball, way better physically and really learnt a lesson from the other night.

It was great to blood new players but maybe we did too much and it is not a great learning curve getting outplayed. Maybe it would've been better to only make a few changes for the line up for stability, then around 60" bring in lots of the new players

Rowles was miles difference at the back when he came on 
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LFC. - 29 Mar 2023 11:09 AM
Capac - 29 Mar 2023 10:56 AM

haha ba boom.....


I didn't mean for it to sound rude or aggressive if that's how it comes across. It's more just that people have been saying both mcgree and Metcalfe have played as wingers based off the formations on google but obviously haven't watched the games as neither of them play as proper wingers. 
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Capac no prob I didn't see it as being smug or aggressive but showing up that many rely on search engines as their/the intel and in time exposed.
I've see them as "midfielders" hence my ba boom. Salah is a winger for eg :) 



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Whilst Gauci pulled off some good saves, he was completely at fault for their second goal.
He failed to position anyone on the post which is completely on him and that f***wit Crawley.
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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:22 AM
Good first 15 minutes and good last 10 minutes

It was clear that they out-muscled us and had superior touch, weight of passing, direction, and range and ability in playing in tight spaces.... I thought our youth development was focusing on this......I don't think I've seen an Australian player consistently cushion dead an aerial pass as the Ecuador players were able to.

Not sure why Deng was at Left back.

Not sure what Cummings offers.



I found that both Borello and he couldn't do anything in the second half until O'Neill came on and exerted some control in the midfield. My beef was with Tilio being deployed on the right and Garang on the left. Cummings sent a beautiful ball to Tilio who struggled for pace to get to it. Even if he did he couldn't hook his natural foot round it to cross the ball. Garang had the pace to get the ball and cross it on his natural foot. He probably also had the pace to be in on goal himself.  Seems they should have been on opposite sides

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Tilio needs to read the room and stop falling over.

Ref was giving nothing so what does he do, fall over every time he's touched.

We need to be physically stronger across the whole field.


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Bowden - 29 Mar 2023 9:49 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 9:31 AM

Yes, because he was playing LCB.

It’s pretty common to have fullbacks making attacking runs these days. They don’t always sit back like the old days. 


Thanks mate.  If it wasn't for football intellectuals like you I'd only have the wireless to go off with my hearing aide up to max.

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Enzo Bearzot - 29 Mar 2023 2:23 PM
Bowden - 29 Mar 2023 9:49 AM


Thanks mate.  If it wasn't for football intellectuals like you I'd only have the wireless to go off with my hearing aide up to max.

Apologies, re-reading my comment it did come across as quite blunt/rude. 
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