The gap between Indigenous  folk and others in Aus are profound in education, health, housing and incarceration.

The Voice is a mechanism to close the gap. It is not for non-Indigenous Aussies to  find solutions and hand them down, but a  grass roots First Nations paradigm that Aboriginals have conceived and developing from Indigenous stakeholders on the ground.

Agreed, it is a "blip" now butt it is rapidly growing thats the point.... Dan Andrews just resigned and my phone is going crazy with dildos celebrating like its some kind of win against the "axis of evil" .....

Even though the Noalition has argued the Voice is nebulous and not specific, they use the same tactics the conservatives have over any past plebiscite or referendum.

Once The Voice is enshrined in the Constitution, the shape of it can evolve from there. It is simply an advisory body.

I was reading in the New Daily yesterday the No campaign has employed an American  company who have campaigned a lot for Trump, whose name I can't remember, to  devise strategies for  the No campaign.

In terms of being a progressive society, many of my Indigenous  comrades I've met through the Yes 23 Campaign,  claim they suffer inadvertent racism all the time - still. There is also supposedly a differential depending on which part of Australia one lives in terms of latent and blatant  racism.

The fact that you intend do vote No augurs poorly for the Yes campaign succeeding.  Given your previous posts over the years, I would have predicted you would vote Yes.

 It shows that the Trumpian  company's tactics  is indoctrinating Aussies successfully.

My main hope is on the doors, and the Pre- Poll booths, in the last 3 weeks until October 14th. There will be a plethora of Yes volunteers on Pre - Poll booths  for the early voters and voters on the day booths. Many won't  take up their mind until walking into the booths. Yes 23 has decidedly more volunteers than the likes of Advance Australia and the Noalition.  We will have more volunteers trying gto preside voters to vote Yes on the booths.

More and more Liberal MPs are supporting Yes. 

Many volunteers won't door knock, which has a  significant  impact. I've persuaded heaps of vacillating voters  to vote Yes knocking doors.

  It isn't 'white do-gooders' who've conceived The Voice. Many of us are supporting, and acting on, what over 80% of First Nations want. The First Nations conceived The Voice at the Uluru Statement of the Heart. 

 

Sorry Im not sure what the "Noalition" is but i assume some facile bon mot by the illluminated few? I wonder sometimes if political activists EVER live in the real world?
As for your presumption of my politics, what would ever make you think I would be comfortable with considering a person more or less Australian in this country because of their race, colour or religion? I have been arguing that very thing over and over and over again on these pages.... Aboriginal Australians, Anglo Australians, Greek Australian etc etc etc are all JUST AUSTRALIANS... 
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You had to speak to an "indigenous comrade" to find out that racism still occurs in Australia in 2023??? There are millions of Aussies from the subcontinent ( thousands of times more than there are indigenous people) who get treated the same way every day, where is their "voice to parliament"? 

Mate how many of these people do you thin are out there?  Seriously.

Its like the gender and identity nut jobs pushing their ideologies.  They're a blip in the overall population.   But unlike the flat earthers, these nutjobs have wormed and infested government and school campuses, making them far more influential and dangerous.  They're the ones you should be fearing, because their claws and tentacles reach far and wide and only growing.

And for the record, Im not a feeble minded child to have a wobble boarding, door knocking idiot preach to me about what my opinion should be on a particular topic and will take very poorly to being interrupted in my daily life by some numpty trying to convince me one way or another. And as for falling under the spell of Trump advisory marketing companies..... Ill ignore the implied insult.

Yeah I'm worried and gender nut jobs more than say right wing cookers who lock themselves away on a farm and then shoot policemen and their neighbours dead. Or neo Nazis that freely walk the streets Melbourne. Nothing to see here.

One lot are annoying and a pain in the arse.

One lot, yours, are dead set dangerous.

I haven't had an obnoxious householder yet in door knocking carried out in 11 suburbs and towns in Tas. A mate of  mine did yesterday though. 

A few might say not interested and walk away shutting the door firmly. Many people under the age of 50 are keen to  learn info about The Voice.

People who state they have  your attitude to door knockers if they aren't selling something, are rarely rude when presented in person with a door knocker. We attempt to be as polite as possible too.  We always thank householders for their time.

 I've persuaded heaps of vacillating voters to vote Yes. So it is well worth knocking doors   to meet people one would rarely meet outside  one's echo chambers.

Mate how many of these people do you thin are out there?  Seriously.

Its like the gender and identity nut jobs pushing their ideologies.  They're a blip in the overall population.   But unlike the flat earthers, these nutjobs have wormed and infested government and school campuses, making them far more influential and dangerous.  They're the ones you should be fearing, because their claws and tentacles reach far and wide and only growing.

Agreed, it is a "blip" now butt it is rapidly growing thats the point.... Dan Andrews just resigned and my phone is going crazy with dildos celebrating like its some kind of win against the "axis of evil" .....

I haven't had an obnoxious householder yet in door knocking carried out in 11 suburbs and towns in Tas. A mate of  mine did yesterday though. 

A few might say not interested and walk away shutting the door firmly. Many people under the age of 50 are keen to  learn info about The Voice.

People who state they have  your attitude to door knockers if they aren't selling something, are rarely rude when presented in person with a door knocker. We attempt to be as polite as possible too.  We always thank householders for their time.

 I've persuaded heaps of vacillating voters to vote Yes. So it is well worth knocking doors   to meet people one would rarely meet outside  one's echo chambers.

Agreed, it is a "blip" now butt it is rapidly growing thats the point.... Dan Andrews just resigned and my phone is going crazy with dildos celebrating like its some kind of win against the "axis of evil" .....

Nor sure what your point is?

From the  the volume of door knocking, holding stalls, teaching, working out in gyms, socialising in pubs and parties,  etc, I meet heaps of regular Aussies. I'm very aware of how highly educated and articulate many of my political activist comrades are though. Not so much the union movement, but the Climate activists are. Heaps are academics.

I don't condone racism at all. 

Their numbers growing is an outcome, not a cause.   What's the cause?

As for Dan Andrews, he be will remembered as the most divisive, disliked if not outright despised politician since Jeff Kennett.  He leaves the State in more debt than NSW and QLD combined.  He should have stayed to face the electorate.

Excellent, I am all for this, but why does it need to be "enshrined in the Constitution"? And why is the language around what the advisory "powers' that will flow from this arent made clear before we all give our oppinion on whether or not it should go ahead? 
Also, do we not have a minster for indigenous affairs? What is it that they are mandated to achieve exactly? Why does this "First Nations" paradigm need a constitutional involvement when it is, from what I can understand a mainly health, facilities and education issue?

And for the record, Im not a feeble minded child to have a wobble boarding, door knocking idiot preach to me about what my opinion should be on a particular topic and will take very poorly to being interrupted in my daily life by some numpty trying to convince me one way or another. And as for falling under the spell of Trump advisory marketing companies..... Ill ignore the implied insult.

Depends who these "others" are.

The gap narrows if you look at the lives of non-indigenous in low socio-economic areas in the outskirts of capital cities.  If you are middle class, live in the inner capital city, with the best infrastructure, schools, access to healthcare, public transport, and have nice  public service job then you can be forgiven for believing every other non-indigenous group has it just as good as you.  This is false. 

Their numbers growing is an outcome, not a cause.   What's the cause?

As for Dan Andrews, he be will remembered as the most divisive, disliked if not outright despised politician since Jeff Kennett.  He leaves the State in more debt than NSW and QLD combined.  He should have stayed to face the electorate.

Nor sure what your point is?

From the  the volume of door knocking, holding stalls, teaching, working out in gyms, socialising in pubs and parties,  etc, I meet heaps of regular Aussies. I'm very aware of how highly educated and articulate many of my political activist comrades are though. Not so much the union movement, but the Climate activists are. Heaps are academics.

I don't condone racism at all. 

Sorry I guess I fundamentally despise the practice of political canvasing in general... I can fend for myself and my views just fine (and to be honest I would be more inclined to give a firm but polite no rather than abuse ...despite my bluster on here)... I see pushing the point on impressionable voters as counter to true democracy and demagoguery of the first order... Trust the populace to make up their own minds and present your point in a coherent way in the media .. people deserve to NOT be pestered.

Sorry Im not sure what the "Noalition" is but i assume some facile bon mot by the illluminated few? I wonder sometimes if political activists EVER live in the real world?
As for your presumption of my politics, what would ever make you think I would be comfortable with considering a person more or less Australian in this country because of their race, colour or religion? I have been arguing that very thing over and over and over again on these pages.... Aboriginal Australians, Anglo Australians, Greek Australian etc etc etc are all JUST AUSTRALIANS... 
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You had to speak to an "indigenous comrade" to find out that racism still occurs in Australia in 2023??? There are millions of Aussies from the subcontinent ( thousands of times more than there are indigenous people) who get treated the same way every day, where is their "voice to parliament"? 

Makes one wonder how Dan was  constantly re-elected by Victorians if he was so unpopular? He was unpopular in Right wing media outlets like Sky News, Fox and the general Rupert M owned media, because no matter how hard they campaigned to eject him as Victorian Premier, he constantly thwarted them.

He is not polarising if decided majorities have kept electing him as Vic premier.

A 9 year Premier's tenure is a pretty successful achievement! 

You don't condone racism?

- the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

Yet are proposing an amendment to the constitution which will benefit ONLY people of one race?????  How does that work? How do you "benefit" a race of people without  differentiating them based on their ancestry?

This is EXACTLY my point.... higher education and articulate political rhetoric doesn't seem to correlate to any form of intelligence sadly. 

The Vic ALP only received 37% of the primary votes at the last "Danslide".  In other words 2 in 3 people did not have the ALP as their first choice.  But because there is no viable opposition in Victoria, the preferential votes went to them.  This Editorial in The Age well summarizes Andrews rule:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/was-it-the-right-time-for-andrews-to-quit-one-issue-provides-the-answer-20230926-p5e7s8.html