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+x+xSo what are the AFL hierarchy and media acolytes saying about co-hosting the FIFA Womens World Cup? It seems to be deathly silent from AFL HQ Sweet FA. They're keeping their heads down so as to not draw any more attention than the minimum we're getting. In a couple of weeks time the circus will roll on and it'll be as if the WWC was never here. Fuck them all and their stupid game. It blows my mind that we can watch teams from all over the world and they'll NEVER be able to experience anything similar and they don't seem to care. Thanks. Sounds like they are stunned mullets and cannot criticise without sounding like spoiled brats. At least they didn't start their women's competition during the Women's World Cup like the Rubgy League did.
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AFL announced their draw the day of Australia- Argentina. NRL with lots of posts of how their women's comp is the best in the world with the best athletes in the world. Women's football was this once, screaming for significance. Women's rugby league though is still pretty dull but growth is inevitable.
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+xIt is so sad the general public is so unaware of it in Aus - apart from Matildas matches. I was in France when the last World Cup was on. I would say this is rivalling it for local attention easily. Most people were still mocking the womens game 4 years ago when it was on. It's not like the general public in France were following the womens World Cup, it still only had a niche folllowing. I would say the Matildas games here are far bigger than the French games were back then.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI've been harping on about Tony G's formations and game plans not being a contemporary Aus paradigm. I've just read that in possession stats, the Matildas have really low possession (I can't verify territory) compared to the higher ranked teams they've played. Spain 30% England 30% France 45% Canada circa 40%. Some of this might be a % or two out. Can't find the original article where it appeared. Usually when teams have such a low percentage of possession, the team has to run heaps more than the team with higher % of possession. Hence, it is a lot more tiring to chase the ball than possess it. Under most current Aussie coaches, using the formations I've seen with previous Matildas and Socceroos, plus ALM and ALW coaches, the Matildas would surely have had more control of games? Tony G has set them up quite differently. in the last world cup and last champions league possession has started to become anti correlated with results these days I think a better rule of thumb is passes and dribbles completed per minute in possession. Obviously not a perfect stat (no stat is apart from goals) but does differentiate your hoof ball teams from ones playing high risk passes through the lines and it does seem that the higher a quality a competition, the higher this number is During the 2012 National Football Aus Conferences for coaches, there was exhaustive data presented by the Football Aus Tech Dept. One poignant stat was how much more running in games teams did who had proportionally less ball. Notwithstanding, your recent Champ League data, a national style was formulated like successful proactive UEFA countries, to have more control over games and do less running. There is also massive concentration required when the other team has the ball. The joker in the pack has been Italy. They often have less possession than their opponents, but still appear able to fashion as many, or more shots on goal, than their opponents. Nobody else has been able to achieve this on a consistent basis. In terms of Tony G and his staff of Swedish coaches, they haven't bought into the national plan Aus has been trying to implement. Moreover, the underage teams won't have been deploying Tony G style Matildas football either. 1. The data presented in 2012 is more than 11 years old, my recollection is that it was data collected from the 2010 World Cup and maybe other tournaments around that time. The game has changed since then, there have been coaching and playing advancements that have, to at least some extent, negated the high possession tactics that successful teams of that era practiced. While I don't think Gustavsson is a great coach by any means, and a lot of his tactics leave a lot to be desired (use of substitutions or lack thereof for one), continuing to argue that what the successful playing style was 13-odd years ago should still be pursued today without considering how the game has developed is very narrow thinking. While I think having a broad national plan is beneficial to develop younger players, at the top level (both men's and women's) coaches need to use the resources they have to get the results. These resources very much include players who play successfully under different systems at their clubs, and are adept at adapting their games as required. 2. Gustavsson's staff of Swedish coaches? From what I can see there is only one other Swede on the Matilda's coaching staff, one of the assistant coaches. There are also Australian coaches there (Mel Andreatta, Tony Franken for example). Franken is keeper coach, so I would surmise he doesn't have much effect on playing style and tactics. What you say is true, that a lot of that data, subsequent methodology and playing style was based on the 2010 WC. Fair comment. Also, it is a fair point that it is 13 years old. Nevertheless, the best teams haven't deviated much over the last 20 odd years, in terms of style. Apart from a greater weighting on gengen pressing or counter pressing. The first contemporary team I saw playing this modern, high possession game, with similar structure to the present, was France playing us in a friendly in 2001. In the Australian paradigm to have someone not from the Football Aus Technical Department, appointing a national team coach, is totally amateurish. The Football Aus Technical Dept should be making that decision - like what occurs in France. ATM we have a bean counter/ businessperson making that decision - when they know little about football performance.ATM despite the Matlidas' success in the last game against Canada, there is a disconnect - with too much distance - between the central midfield line and the attack. There is often a hole between the midfield and attack. This was shown up against France and England, and also Canada ( which would on the day wasn't decisive in the outcome). We often don't have the classic Attacking Mid to dictate terms more effectively in the attacking half. To an extent Coomer- Cross sits, whilst Gorry goes forwards, but not as pronounced as the Socceroos, where Irvine, or now Baccus, moves forwards to assist the AM, where previously Mooy, and now O'Neill sits. In women's football, France and England, play the possession game prescribed as a national style by the Football Aus Tech Dept in 2012. Are you sure that is the case? I'm sure the bean counters/administration get involved from a financial point of view (e.g., this is how much we can afford to pay), but I can't believe that even Football Australia/FFA would not have significant football-specific input from their technical department in selecting national team coaches. By the way, the term is gegenpressing, not gengen pressing. I'm not sure which coaching course you've attended? It has been a constant theme discussed in my neck of the woods in coach education events. Even at NPL level, far too many decisions about football performance are made by Presidents - with money. They have often played the game some decades ago, but have never updated their knowledge. They don't understand how the game has evolved. It happened to me. When I was a NPL TD I wanted to recruit a player from South Hobart, the most successful club in the state , who was ageing. When I was watching him with the club President, he could not see how his clever movement off the ball, and speed of thought, constantly opened optimum passing lanes for his teammates. He made them look good as they passed to him when he created space - before they received the ball. He constantly provided them with optimal passing lanes. He was bit slow over the turf, but more than compensated with speed of thought and game sense. The club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater. This is relevant, because even Berger, who had the highest status and profile of any Aus TD we've had, was only one of a five person panel who appointed Holger. IMO Holger was easily the worst Socceroo coach we've had since Guus. The team started to go backwards through no renewal. The decision to appoint the coach in the Holger era, should have been entirely through the Football Aus Tech Dept. The controversy was that Holger also wasn't steeped in the direction of Aus at the time. He was an old school German coach - not the new stuff they embarked on in the early 2000s. The rationale, was that most of the Aus players under Holger's epoch, also hadn't been inculcated in the new methodology that the youth teams were being instructed in at the time. Ange immediately rebuilt, using the new standard possession game in Aus. He brought in Franjic, Wilkinson, Ogger. I've attended a big coaching workshop under Ange at the time- organised by the then TD of Football Tas. Learnt a lot from him about playing possession football. The problem is with coaches like Holger, and Tony G, is they are completely out of step with the Aussie coaching methodology - that coaches are now trained in, in Aus. Tony G may be a great player manager, but IMO he is taking the team backwards in playing style - possibly with the most talented national team of either gender we've had. Conversely, Arnie is value adding with the Socceroos. Hmmm, cool story about your NPL player recruitment experience. Not saying it is standard practice but it doesn't surprise me that it still happens at that level. I'm not sure how relevant it is to national team coach selection though. So Berger was one part of a five-man panel that appointed Osieck. That was 13 years ago, and at least Berger was involved (who were the other four?). Your original statement though was " ATM we have a bean counter/ businessperson making that decision - when they know little about football performance." Who is the bean counter making that decision now? It's interesting, although probably explainable by human nature, that coaches seem to be most remembered by the most recent part of their tenure. Osieck seems to be mostly remembered for two 6-0 losses and his refusal to bring in younger players in the latter part of his reign. Less remembered seems to be his reaching the Asian Cup final in 2011 and losing in ET to Japan, his win over Germany in a friendly in 2011, and the direct qualification for the 2014 World Cup (something that neither Ange nor Arnold achieved, both having to go through the play-offs). In contrast, Arnold is now remembered for great results since the WC playoffs mid-last year, but before that was widely castigated for poor performances and results in the almost four years prior to that. It took him a long time to add value to the Socceroos. As far as Gustavsson goes, most people (including me) don't seem to think much of him as a coach and his results until recently were poor, but if he achieves a good result at this World Cup (e.g., semi-final or better) he will, like Arnold, come out smelling of roses.
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On another note, quite a few from numerous nations, fans, commentators, players have said how much better the weather conditions are. Lots of anecdote of those horrible, sticky European summer days at matches. Tricky with the men's calendar, with a lot women's clubs in Scandinavia, it's always been tricky to track when the leagues are on but finding a potentially cooler window would be a good idea. If USA Mexico get the next one, try it in September or later.
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+x+x+x+xYes a National Plan/Curriculum is for the levels below, by the time one is selected for NT thats done dusted get on with showing your wares for you've developed and are playing at the higest levels of Club football. I agree we need a new up to date Plan but the FA needs to pull into line old and new football to work better together first and foremost. In women's football the USA have won a lot despite their playing style. They have so many players playing at a pro level, because of their college system, where thousands upon thousands of full time female players feed into their pro league. However, they use a lot gridiron methodology and play an overly physical game.Now that the likes of France, England, Spain and Italy are taking women's football more seriously, who are investing in their women's pro leagues, like their male counterparts, it should be inevitable that they usurp the USA's dominance. Unless the USA change and emulate the European models in those big five UEFA countries, they will end up similar international standing to American men's football. FFS. You say some really suspect stuff here at times but WTF is 'gridiron methodology'. Justify that statement. From memory you said you haven't been watching the games because you didn't subscribe to Optus so what are you basing this waffle on? As for 'overly physical' watch England play in any match. They go in all guns blazing with no prisoners taken. Will just add the refs, as per the men's world cup, are allowing a very physical world cup to take place. It really is a physical 'battle' these days. (And IMO, rightly so.) Sorry, but you are blatantly wrong - due to misplaced ignorance, Muz. Sources: *Players I've coached have undertaken US College scholarships. We've kept in touch. * One of the State Football Aus NTC coaches, whose jurisdiction I was under a decade ago, had taken teams the to the USA, and, US teams had visited the EPL clubs he was coaching at. He was simply gobsmacked at their methods. Physical strength through weight training, comprises a much higher proportion of an American college program than elsewhere. * The then state Football Aus TD, and state head SAP coach, also visited the USA when Aus were evaluating foreign countries to import methodology to Aus. * The recruiting company for the US, had former Aus Euro Lower League players as recruiters - who also had an insight into the US methods. * I kept in touch with the college Director Of Coaching that one of my former players attended. We exchanged coaching methodology for some years. * Simon Kuper, Jonathan Wilson, Michael Cox and Ralph Honigsten, all reputable football journos and authors, constantly write updated books on football methodology. Satisfied? It might be an idea to conduct more thorough research before casting aspersions about others who do, and who may have different networks in football than you. Satisfied?! Not even close. How about you actually watch some of the games rather than relying on second hand, anecdotal, decade old information that you seem to cherry pick to suit your preconceived ideas. I've read some rubbish on here before but I've never met anyone as willing as you are to resort to stereotypes when 'evaluating' football teams.
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+x+x+xI've been harping on about Tony G's formations and game plans not being a contemporary Aus paradigm. I've just read that in possession stats, the Matildas have really low possession (I can't verify territory) compared to the higher ranked teams they've played. Spain 30% England 30% France 45% Canada circa 40%. Some of this might be a % or two out. Can't find the original article where it appeared. Usually when teams have such a low percentage of possession, the team has to run heaps more than the team with higher % of possession. Hence, it is a lot more tiring to chase the ball than possess it. Under most current Aussie coaches, using the formations I've seen with previous Matildas and Socceroos, plus ALM and ALW coaches, the Matildas would surely have had more control of games? Tony G has set them up quite differently. in the last world cup and last champions league possession has started to become anti correlated with results these days I think a better rule of thumb is passes and dribbles completed per minute in possession. Obviously not a perfect stat (no stat is apart from goals) but does differentiate your hoof ball teams from ones playing high risk passes through the lines and it does seem that the higher a quality a competition, the higher this number is During the 2012 National Football Aus Conferences for coaches, there was exhaustive data presented by the Football Aus Tech Dept. One poignant stat was how much more running in games teams did who had proportionally less ball. Notwithstanding, your recent Champ League data, a national style was formulated like successful proactive UEFA countries, to have more control over games and do less running. There is also massive concentration required when the other team has the ball. The joker in the pack has been Italy. They often have less possession than their opponents, but still appear able to fashion as many, or more shots on goal, than their opponents. Nobody else has been able to achieve this on a consistent basis. In terms of Tony G and his staff of Swedish coaches, they haven't bought into the national plan Aus has been trying to implement. Moreover, the underage teams won't have been deploying Tony G style Matildas football either. I think that was 11 years ago and the game does seem to be changing slightly. Probably the inflection point was netherlands v spain in 2014 with most top teams playing a similar style and only a few playing possession based still the new style i just as ideolically committed to technique, playing out the back, keeping the ball on the deck and the ball circulation at the top level is about 1000 completed passes per 90 minutes of possession, just as quick as tikki takka and it is still a proactive rather than a reactive game plan (trying to create rather than react to the opponents mistakes) the main difference is that teams are playing higher risk positive passes in two situations. First in transition, teams are much more willing to play a pass that risks loosing possession, second in bp after recycling possession teams will play risker passes through the lines to try and break down a defensive team before they can form a block of 8 when they at least press as far as the cbs, again risking losing possession teams playing this way are usually conceding possession but roughly matching the tikki takka opponent in terms of territorial dominance. The possession stats tend to be 65-35 or 60-40 against a tikki takka team rather than the insane 80-20 figures we saw at the peak of tikki takka. It is true that this is a drain on your physical energy and concentration but the trade off is you have higher quality scoring situations (since you aren't throwing away opportunities in transition to recycle possession. Transition is apparently where most goals are scored, even at the highest level) and since you are a team capable of circulating the ball as quickly as a tikki takka team the 65-35 split doesn't kill you I have noticed our youth teams are playing a style reminiscent of the new style, as is to some degree Graham Arnold at the world cup (though we were more eager clearing the ball to know one rather than playing out compared to top teams). Our games against france denmark and argentina had around 1000 passes per game, with us matching our opponents speed in ball circulation with only a few desperate hoofs to clear our lines
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one thing that we aren't doing at youth level is these long 40-50 meter bullet like passes along the deck. Since it is on the deck, the accuracy is much better than long aerial balls. I keep seeing these passes at the top level
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+x+xyes concur Keeper66, 11yrs ago is a lonnnng time in Pro sport and my especially advancement in the womens game for back then it was early days as its showing by developing NT's in this WWC. USA have won 4 of 8 WWC and runners up and 3rd placings, pretty much new team right now and they have been doing it tuff because many others are catching up in less time. It isn't rocket science when not in possesion your running more, thats a known for a eternity in our game. Italy have been lucky scoring against the run of play talking mens, or as they say defense wins games they have always been compact and skilful to pull this off but its now and then and sometime ago might I add. TG IMO isn't the right fit leading a strong NT like ours full stop. His cred is being an assistant for the USA in 2012 that they we're miles ahead of most back then and even better to 2019. The Staj sacking opened the door no more no less. The problem isn't TG's might I add about having a National Plan thats on the FA full stop period with support and dialog with the NT coachs ala GA and throw TG in for now but I hope we replace him in the near future. As has been mentioned in press by known pundits some that like or dislike ie Slater I think it was, not having a NT HOME field/facilities is a complete and utter joke as we once did in Canbra. I hope this is one of the up front and centre topics to improve and get action in the near future after this WWC. Yes a National Plan/Curriculum is for the levels below, by the time one is selected for NT thats done dusted get on with showing your wares for you've developed and are playing at the higest levels of Club football. I agree we need a new up to date Plan but the FA needs to pull into line old and new football to work better together first and foremost. Never liked Gustavvson the spud but credit where credit is due in that he has brought a lot of new players into the squad and identified other talent. And finally recognised Polkinghorne is no longer up to it. true, he's fortunate we have talent coming through and I think the team itself carries him more than he carries them :) Your mention of the physical game, yep most of the teams now are much stronger its obvious to see. Sweden gave it back to the USA pound for pound last night. USA had the advantage being the first in pretty much everything compared to other nations but now its obvious they have been caught up with which has been good to see. Roll on Matildas tonight !
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI've been harping on about Tony G's formations and game plans not being a contemporary Aus paradigm. I've just read that in possession stats, the Matildas have really low possession (I can't verify territory) compared to the higher ranked teams they've played. Spain 30% England 30% France 45% Canada circa 40%. Some of this might be a % or two out. Can't find the original article where it appeared. Usually when teams have such a low percentage of possession, the team has to run heaps more than the team with higher % of possession. Hence, it is a lot more tiring to chase the ball than possess it. Under most current Aussie coaches, using the formations I've seen with previous Matildas and Socceroos, plus ALM and ALW coaches, the Matildas would surely have had more control of games? Tony G has set them up quite differently. in the last world cup and last champions league possession has started to become anti correlated with results these days I think a better rule of thumb is passes and dribbles completed per minute in possession. Obviously not a perfect stat (no stat is apart from goals) but does differentiate your hoof ball teams from ones playing high risk passes through the lines and it does seem that the higher a quality a competition, the higher this number is During the 2012 National Football Aus Conferences for coaches, there was exhaustive data presented by the Football Aus Tech Dept. One poignant stat was how much more running in games teams did who had proportionally less ball. Notwithstanding, your recent Champ League data, a national style was formulated like successful proactive UEFA countries, to have more control over games and do less running. There is also massive concentration required when the other team has the ball. The joker in the pack has been Italy. They often have less possession than their opponents, but still appear able to fashion as many, or more shots on goal, than their opponents. Nobody else has been able to achieve this on a consistent basis. In terms of Tony G and his staff of Swedish coaches, they haven't bought into the national plan Aus has been trying to implement. Moreover, the underage teams won't have been deploying Tony G style Matildas football either. 1. The data presented in 2012 is more than 11 years old, my recollection is that it was data collected from the 2010 World Cup and maybe other tournaments around that time. The game has changed since then, there have been coaching and playing advancements that have, to at least some extent, negated the high possession tactics that successful teams of that era practiced. While I don't think Gustavsson is a great coach by any means, and a lot of his tactics leave a lot to be desired (use of substitutions or lack thereof for one), continuing to argue that what the successful playing style was 13-odd years ago should still be pursued today without considering how the game has developed is very narrow thinking. While I think having a broad national plan is beneficial to develop younger players, at the top level (both men's and women's) coaches need to use the resources they have to get the results. These resources very much include players who play successfully under different systems at their clubs, and are adept at adapting their games as required. 2. Gustavsson's staff of Swedish coaches? From what I can see there is only one other Swede on the Matilda's coaching staff, one of the assistant coaches. There are also Australian coaches there (Mel Andreatta, Tony Franken for example). Franken is keeper coach, so I would surmise he doesn't have much effect on playing style and tactics. What you say is true, that a lot of that data, subsequent methodology and playing style was based on the 2010 WC. Fair comment. Also, it is a fair point that it is 13 years old. Nevertheless, the best teams haven't deviated much over the last 20 odd years, in terms of style. Apart from a greater weighting on gengen pressing or counter pressing. The first contemporary team I saw playing this modern, high possession game, with similar structure to the present, was France playing us in a friendly in 2001. In the Australian paradigm to have someone not from the Football Aus Technical Department, appointing a national team coach, is totally amateurish. The Football Aus Technical Dept should be making that decision - like what occurs in France. ATM we have a bean counter/ businessperson making that decision - when they know little about football performance.ATM despite the Matlidas' success in the last game against Canada, there is a disconnect - with too much distance - between the central midfield line and the attack. There is often a hole between the midfield and attack. This was shown up against France and England, and also Canada ( which would on the day wasn't decisive in the outcome). We often don't have the classic Attacking Mid to dictate terms more effectively in the attacking half. To an extent Coomer- Cross sits, whilst Gorry goes forwards, but not as pronounced as the Socceroos, where Irvine, or now Baccus, moves forwards to assist the AM, where previously Mooy, and now O'Neill sits. In women's football, France and England, play the possession game prescribed as a national style by the Football Aus Tech Dept in 2012. Are you sure that is the case? I'm sure the bean counters/administration get involved from a financial point of view (e.g., this is how much we can afford to pay), but I can't believe that even Football Australia/FFA would not have significant football-specific input from their technical department in selecting national team coaches. By the way, the term is gegenpressing, not gengen pressing. I'm not sure which coaching course you've attended? It has been a constant theme discussed in my neck of the woods in coach education events. Even at NPL level, far too many decisions about football performance are made by Presidents - with money. They have often played the game some decades ago, but have never updated their knowledge. They don't understand how the game has evolved. It happened to me. When I was a NPL TD I wanted to recruit a player from South Hobart, the most successful club in the state , who was ageing. When I was watching him with the club President, he could not see how his clever movement off the ball, and speed of thought, constantly opened optimum passing lanes for his teammates. He made them look good as they passed to him when he created space - before they received the ball. He constantly provided them with optimal passing lanes. He was bit slow over the turf, but more than compensated with speed of thought and game sense. The club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater. This is relevant, because even Berger, who had the highest status and profile of any Aus TD we've had, was only one of a five person panel who appointed Holger. IMO Holger was easily the worst Socceroo coach we've had since Guus. The team started to go backwards through no renewal. The decision to appoint the coach in the Holger era, should have been entirely through the Football Aus Tech Dept. The controversy was that Holger also wasn't steeped in the direction of Aus at the time. He was an old school German coach - not the new stuff they embarked on in the early 2000s. The rationale, was that most of the Aus players under Holger's epoch, also hadn't been inculcated in the new methodology that the youth teams were being instructed in at the time. Ange immediately rebuilt, using the new standard possession game in Aus. He brought in Franjic, Wilkinson, Ogger. I've attended a big coaching workshop under Ange at the time- organised by the then TD of Football Tas. Learnt a lot from him about playing possession football. The problem is with coaches like Holger, and Tony G, is they are completely out of step with the Aussie coaching methodology - that coaches are now trained in, in Aus. Tony G may be a great player manager, but IMO he is taking the team backwards in playing style - possibly with the most talented national team of either gender we've had. Conversely, Arnie is value adding with the Socceroos. Andy Brennan was 21 years old in 2014 Decentric.... Hardly an "ageing player" and certainly not one even considering deviating from the pathway of NPL VIC then Aleague, which he took. Sadly injuries took their toll. Agree on your description of his style but sometimes it is unnecessary to inject yourself into a story .... There is a finite amount of truth you can gloss over with an irrelevant vocabulary ....
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+x+x+xyes concur Keeper66, 11yrs ago is a lonnnng time in Pro sport and my especially advancement in the womens game for back then it was early days as its showing by developing NT's in this WWC. USA have won 4 of 8 WWC and runners up and 3rd placings, pretty much new team right now and they have been doing it tuff because many others are catching up in less time. It isn't rocket science when not in possesion your running more, thats a known for a eternity in our game. Italy have been lucky scoring against the run of play talking mens, or as they say defense wins games they have always been compact and skilful to pull this off but its now and then and sometime ago might I add. TG IMO isn't the right fit leading a strong NT like ours full stop. His cred is being an assistant for the USA in 2012 that they we're miles ahead of most back then and even better to 2019. The Staj sacking opened the door no more no less. The problem isn't TG's might I add about having a National Plan thats on the FA full stop period with support and dialog with the NT coachs ala GA and throw TG in for now but I hope we replace him in the near future. As has been mentioned in press by known pundits some that like or dislike ie Slater I think it was, not having a NT HOME field/facilities is a complete and utter joke as we once did in Canbra. I hope this is one of the up front and centre topics to improve and get action in the near future after this WWC. Yes a National Plan/Curriculum is for the levels below, by the time one is selected for NT thats done dusted get on with showing your wares for you've developed and are playing at the higest levels of Club football. I agree we need a new up to date Plan but the FA needs to pull into line old and new football to work better together first and foremost. Never liked Gustavvson the spud but credit where credit is due in that he has brought a lot of new players into the squad and identified other talent. And finally recognised Polkinghorne is no longer up to it. true, he's fortunate we have talent coming through and I think the team itself carries him more than he carries them :) Your mention of the physical game, yep most of the teams now are much stronger its obvious to see. Sweden gave it back to the USA pound for pound last night. USA had the advantage being the first in pretty much everything compared to other nations but now its obvious they have been caught up with which has been good to see. Roll on Matildas tonight ! Is was interesting how much niggle the Yanks got away with last night. Seemed to mostly put the nudge in after the ball had moved on. And did they cry like stuck pigs when the Swedes returned the favour. As was commented on in the match thread, it was an old style game last night and so many teams have moved on. I am really looking forward to see the Japanese / Swedish clash. So much contrasting styles, I am hoping for a Japanese success, but obviously cannot discount the Swedes triumphing. Surely they will put into effect the option of getting to the byline and sending in crosses not the box. Norway did it once, for one goal. The old achilles heel of the Japanese.
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H55, well I'm glad NT football does have a longer rope to niggling/late tackles etc compared to Club. Yer the USA we're getting frustrated and no matter how much they tried to hurt a Swede they kept getting back up. Funnily just 2 yellows whole game. Alot of play acting as usual as well but I think mentally the USA, having more newbies/arrogance and all was their downfall full stop. They created enough chances to win 4 games. Rodman is a beast of a womens forward but just couldn't beat the keeper, one of those days. Horans header hit the crossbar, the game would have been in their hands if in for the swedes created just 1 shot on target whole game haha 9 corners to 3. Musovic, aren't sweden fortunate due to the Slavic wars her parents moving there.
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Excited for the match tonight! Anyone headed to a live site, or going to the game?
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The club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater.
Bayswater has never won an NPL final.
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+xThe club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater.
Bayswater has never won an NPL final. Like I said "grain of truth" in that Andy did star against us, thats why we signed him from South Hobart :).... hhh
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anyone know if tonight is sold out?
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+x+xThe club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater.
Bayswater has never won an NPL final. Like I said "grain of truth" in that Andy did star against us, thats why we signed him from South Hobart :).... hhh This thread has gone way off the topic of the Matilda's WWC games, but as I'm just waiting to leave to go and watch England-Nigeria tonight, I thought I would do a little digging and see what I could find out about this scenario from D2, just for the hell of it. I know absolutely nothing about Tasmania NPL or the Victorian NPL, everything I have put together comes from internet searches. D2 spoke about a player who went from South Hobart to another Tasmanian (I assume) NPL club. I think that club might be Olympia Warriors. In 2015 they did beat South Melbourne in the NPL Finals. and they next lost to Bayswater, although this was in the semi-final, not the final. MSC, I believe this rules out Andy Brennan, who played for South Hobart against South Melbourne the previous year 2014, and South Melbourne won that game, and he went to South Melbourne in 2015. So my digging suggests it is a player who played for South Hobart in 2014, and then went to Olympia Warriors for 2015. I haven't been able to work out the identity of this player. This of course assumes that the original story from D2 is correct, apart from Bayswater winning the NPL Finals series. Time to leave for the game!!! Good luck Matildas tonight!!!
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+x+x+xThe club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater.
Bayswater has never won an NPL final. Like I said "grain of truth" in that Andy did star against us, thats why we signed him from South Hobart :).... hhh This thread has gone way off the topic of the Matilda's WWC games, but as I'm just waiting to leave to go and watch England-Nigeria tonight, I thought I would do a little digging and see what I could find out about this scenario from D2, just for the hell of it. I know absolutely nothing about Tasmania NPL or the Victorian NPL, everything I have put together comes from internet searches. D2 spoke about a player who went from South Hobart to another Tasmanian (I assume) NPL club. I think that club might be Olympia Warriors. In 2015 they did beat South Melbourne in the NPL Finals. and they next lost to Bayswater, although this was in the semi-final, not the final. MSC, I believe this rules out Andy Brennan, who played for South Hobart against South Melbourne the previous year 2014, and South Melbourne won that game, and he went to South Melbourne in 2015. So my digging suggests it is a player who played for South Hobart in 2014, and then went to Olympia Warriors for 2015. I haven't been able to work out the identity of this player. This of course assumes that the original story from D2 is correct, apart from Bayswater winning the NPL Finals series. Time to leave for the game!!! Good luck Matildas tonight!!! hahahaha you spent 5 mins more on it than I did mate... That 2015 game was in Melbourne btw not Hobart and Olympia didnt really have anyone that shined (to my memory anyway) we gave away a silly goal early in the half and then a blunderbuss own goal and spent the next 60-70 mins huffing and puffing to no result...... anyway whatever. :) Have fun at the game tonight (hope Nigeria wins for the lols) . Go the Tillies... Ill be plonked on the couch for this one :)
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+xanyone know if tonight is sold out? I heard it was but anyone with tickets can put them up for re-sale so they could become available again.
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+x+x+x+xThe club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater.
Bayswater has never won an NPL final. Like I said "grain of truth" in that Andy did star against us, thats why we signed him from South Hobart :).... hhh This thread has gone way off the topic of the Matilda's WWC games, but as I'm just waiting to leave to go and watch England-Nigeria tonight, I thought I would do a little digging and see what I could find out about this scenario from D2, just for the hell of it. I know absolutely nothing about Tasmania NPL or the Victorian NPL, everything I have put together comes from internet searches. D2 spoke about a player who went from South Hobart to another Tasmanian (I assume) NPL club. I think that club might be Olympia Warriors. In 2015 they did beat South Melbourne in the NPL Finals. and they next lost to Bayswater, although this was in the semi-final, not the final. MSC, I believe this rules out Andy Brennan, who played for South Hobart against South Melbourne the previous year 2014, and South Melbourne won that game, and he went to South Melbourne in 2015. So my digging suggests it is a player who played for South Hobart in 2014, and then went to Olympia Warriors for 2015. I haven't been able to work out the identity of this player. This of course assumes that the original story from D2 is correct, apart from Bayswater winning the NPL Finals series. Time to leave for the game!!! Good luck Matildas tonight!!! hahahaha you spent 5 mins more on it than I did mate... That 2015 game was in Melbourne btw not Hobart and Olympia didnt really have anyone that shined (to my memory anyway) we gave away a silly goal early in the half and then a blunderbuss own goal and spent the next 60-70 mins huffing and puffing to no result...... anyway whatever. :) Have fun at the game tonight (hope Nigeria wins for the lols) . Go the Tillies... Ill be plonked on the couch for this one :) Haha, yep I'm hoping Nigeria win. Lots of them on the train!!!
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+xExcited for the match tonight! Anyone headed to a live site, or going to the game? Going to the game!
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+x+x+x+x+xThe club Pres, would not sign him. He went on to another NPL club, captained it, under the tutelage of one of my coaching course buddies. Later in the season they beat South Melb in a NPL National knock out comp, with him starring. They lost the final to WA club, Bayswater.
Bayswater has never won an NPL final. Like I said "grain of truth" in that Andy did star against us, thats why we signed him from South Hobart :).... hhh This thread has gone way off the topic of the Matilda's WWC games, but as I'm just waiting to leave to go and watch England-Nigeria tonight, I thought I would do a little digging and see what I could find out about this scenario from D2, just for the hell of it. I know absolutely nothing about Tasmania NPL or the Victorian NPL, everything I have put together comes from internet searches. D2 spoke about a player who went from South Hobart to another Tasmanian (I assume) NPL club. I think that club might be Olympia Warriors. In 2015 they did beat South Melbourne in the NPL Finals. and they next lost to Bayswater, although this was in the semi-final, not the final. MSC, I believe this rules out Andy Brennan, who played for South Hobart against South Melbourne the previous year 2014, and South Melbourne won that game, and he went to South Melbourne in 2015. So my digging suggests it is a player who played for South Hobart in 2014, and then went to Olympia Warriors for 2015. I haven't been able to work out the identity of this player. This of course assumes that the original story from D2 is correct, apart from Bayswater winning the NPL Finals series. Time to leave for the game!!! Good luck Matildas tonight!!! hahahaha you spent 5 mins more on it than I did mate... That 2015 game was in Melbourne btw not Hobart and Olympia didnt really have anyone that shined (to my memory anyway) we gave away a silly goal early in the half and then a blunderbuss own goal and spent the next 60-70 mins huffing and puffing to no result...... anyway whatever. :) Have fun at the game tonight (hope Nigeria wins for the lols) . Go the Tillies... Ill be plonked on the couch for this one :) Haha, yep I'm hoping Nigeria win. Lots of them on the train!!! Love to have another "crack" at them too.....
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Speaking of whether tix are available, I spent quite a bit of time last week looking at the resale platform but could never actually snag a ticket. Everytime I'd refresh and a ticket would be listed, add it to the cart and then next page says there's no tix available. Frustrating! Would've been an expensive exercise anyway flying in from Melby ;)
On the couch for me tonight too Mono!
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+x+xExcited for the match tonight! Anyone headed to a live site, or going to the game? Going to the game! Awesome!! Let us know how the atmosphere in the ground is.
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+xSpeaking of whether tix are available, I spent quite a bit of time last week looking at the resale platform but could never actually snag a ticket. Everytime I'd refresh and a ticket would be listed, add it to the cart and then next page says there's no tix available. Frustrating! Would've been an expensive exercise anyway flying in from Melby ;) On the couch for me tonight too Mono! Its nice down here in Melby ... hahahahaha Lets get this shit done......... Im the same with tickets, no luck at all but left it till last minute as always so no complaints... Actually Im happy enough to let people new to the game enjoy the matches..... had a bit of FOMO but just happy to watch from home now.. Have a connection for finals corp box ticket so may re-consider if the Matilda's make the big dance...
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+xSpeaking of whether tix are available, I spent quite a bit of time last week looking at the resale platform but could never actually snag a ticket. Everytime I'd refresh and a ticket would be listed, add it to the cart and then next page says there's no tix available. Frustrating! Would've been an expensive exercise anyway flying in from Melby ;) On the couch for me tonight too Mono! This happened to me with the colombia game tomorrow - i reckon I tried 30 times and sam ething. But then I jagged 6
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Hope for same intensity like against Canada. Try to nick an early one. Aesthetically stadium Australia is horrible to watch football on but pack the house with green and gold!
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Interesting early probes. Want to get this done in normal time!
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Affording Harder way too much space. We're letting them run 40m. Shut it down!
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Ugh. Need to first time it to players in space than take a extra touch in a tight space. Leads to too many risky turnovers.
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