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Don't know until FA announce something The rest is Gossip filling the vacuum
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+x+x+xI have finally reached the point of not caring anymore... Ange was right.... I am so over the infighting, insane claims, ..... just countless years of crap, .... No one ever in my life time [70 years old] or no body has come close to ever getting on top of things... Decades of poor to hopeless management, countless little empires, so much duplication across the country.... so much death riding whats not your choice of things... I am out of it, will just go to watch the Mariners matches, what whoever streams Australian Football.... and go to Socceroos matches when I can... Well said Mid, now your talking my language :) Pink Floyd said it best..... IMO this describes Australian Football... We're just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl, year after year Running over the same old ground, what have we found? The same old fears 
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So where are we at now?
NST is all but a dream.
Federations didn't help. But ultimately there weren't enough clubs to force the hand of FA to push through with it. The expectations were just too high. 🫣
Champions League?
I'm guessing an expanded NPL Championship. Champions league and with the 8-10 "NST" clubs doesn't make sense.
Legal action.
My info is some clubs are keen to pursue. Other clubs not so much.Do they have a case? Which clubs have lawyers on their boards? 🤔
Some clubs, I hear, totally given up on NST.
Wonder how this will be spun by JJ.
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+x+xI have finally reached the point of not caring anymore... Ange was right.... I am so over the infighting, insane claims, ..... just countless years of crap, .... No one ever in my life time [70 years old] or no body has come close to ever getting on top of things... Decades of poor to hopeless management, countless little empires, so much duplication across the country.... so much death riding whats not your choice of things... I am out of it, will just go to watch the Mariners matches, what whoever streams Australian Football.... and go to Socceroos matches when I can... Well said Mid, now your talking my language :) Pink Floyd said it best..... IMO this describes Australian Football... We're just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl, year after year Running over the same old ground, what have we found? The same old fears
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Are APIA refusing to participate in NST or legal? So what happened to the rumoured done deals of Tassie and Caroline Springs? Have potential clubs thrown the towel in after doing all they can to get in? So damn frustrating! I can't see legal working out well, not sure there's much of a leg to stand on there. As far as I know, it's been a continuation of the same criteria that the 8 clubs joined with, that was always the plan. Maybe the original clubs could stump up the missing security for the 2-4 additional clubs? There has to be a workable solution somewhere... The foundation clubs have rock solid legal case as I understand it mate, contract signed on the basis of a full h/a season based on FA's 2025 competition calendar.. Only way FA can implement a CL model (again as I understand it) is if it goes for the same March-August time period..... Two clubs are waiting on announcement and another two "in the wings" as I understand it .... looks like we will know one way or the other soon :P Cheers. Wow. Makes me wonder WTF FA would be thinking by not going ahead with H&A. What is their motivation for backing out? It really wouldn't cost them much to get up and running with just 12 clubs excluding WA, so it can't be money. The unnerving costs are with the clubs. I know FA wanted to be vigilant to ensure clubs don't go under or abandon the competition... It seems they might have to lower that bar and everyone crosses fingers it takes off. It's kinda like two options now, lawyer up and embarrass ourselves again, or lower the bar and possibly embarrass ourselves hahaha ahhhh man... Maybe JJ throws out the "champions league" option as a last resort only, maybe thinking it would less embarrassing if the league didn't get up? Mate, the thought processes, what are they thinking 🤯 Yep, clock's ticking! Mate there are two fairly powerful lobby groups in Australian football that stand to lose the most with a successful NST, both for different reasons. Its no coincidence (at least in my mind) that the most vocal "sceptics" on this league ever working seems to be the APL and 2 state federations (also ABSOLUTELY no coincidence that these particular states have been touted as the 'next cab off the rank" for an Aleague franchise license btw). JJ and the FA may be overly cautious but I think its because this is a one time roll of the dice... , CL option (at least in my thinking) is the FA trying to throw the APL a bone here, sort of a peace pipe offering for them to get involved .. FA is flush with moolah, but they dont wanna piss it away like Townsend and Co did, Who are the two nst clubs waiting in the wings
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Are APIA refusing to participate in NST or legal? So what happened to the rumoured done deals of Tassie and Caroline Springs? Have potential clubs thrown the towel in after doing all they can to get in? So damn frustrating! I can't see legal working out well, not sure there's much of a leg to stand on there. As far as I know, it's been a continuation of the same criteria that the 8 clubs joined with, that was always the plan. Maybe the original clubs could stump up the missing security for the 2-4 additional clubs? There has to be a workable solution somewhere... The foundation clubs have rock solid legal case as I understand it mate, contract signed on the basis of a full h/a season based on FA's 2025 competition calendar.. Only way FA can implement a CL model (again as I understand it) is if it goes for the same March-August time period..... Two clubs are waiting on announcement and another two "in the wings" as I understand it .... looks like we will know one way or the other soon :P Cheers. Wow. Makes me wonder WTF FA would be thinking by not going ahead with H&A. What is their motivation for backing out? It really wouldn't cost them much to get up and running with just 12 clubs excluding WA, so it can't be money. The unnerving costs are with the clubs. I know FA wanted to be vigilant to ensure clubs don't go under or abandon the competition... It seems they might have to lower that bar and everyone crosses fingers it takes off. It's kinda like two options now, lawyer up and embarrass ourselves again, or lower the bar and possibly embarrass ourselves hahaha ahhhh man... Maybe JJ throws out the "champions league" option as a last resort only, maybe thinking it would less embarrassing if the league didn't get up? Mate, the thought processes, what are they thinking 🤯 Yep, clock's ticking! Mate there are two fairly powerful lobby groups in Australian football that stand to lose the most with a successful NST, both for different reasons. Its no coincidence (at least in my mind) that the most vocal "sceptics" on this league ever working seems to be the APL and 2 state federations (also ABSOLUTELY no coincidence that these particular states have been touted as the 'next cab off the rank" for an Aleague franchise license btw). JJ and the FA may be overly cautious but I think its because this is a one time roll of the dice... , CL option (at least in my thinking) is the FA trying to throw the APL a bone here, sort of a peace pipe offering for them to get involved .. FA is flush with moolah, but they dont wanna piss it away like Townsend and Co did,
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+xI have finally reached the point of not caring anymore... Ange was right.... I am so over the infighting, insane claims, ..... just countless years of crap, .... No one ever in my life time [70 years old] or no body has come close to ever getting on top of things... Decades of poor to hopeless management, countless little empires, so much duplication across the country.... so much death riding whats not your choice of things... I am out of it, will just go to watch the Mariners matches, what whoever streams Australian Football.... and go to Socceroos matches when I can... Well said Mid, now your talking my language :)
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+xI'm curious, does anyone have any info on what the potential CL format would look like? It keeps getting mentioned, but what are we actually talking about here? Are we talking about a comp that would still involve the 10-12 clubs selected, or is the whole NST selection process now moot? Are we talking about a comp involving the winners of each NPL? If so, then how low do they go? Example, Preston are one of the eight foundation clubs, but are in NPLV2 and not currently top of the table. Do they just miss out or would the eight foundation clubs auto qualify. If that's the case it would be a bit unfair to Preston as they would have an inferior squad to clubs in the top NPLs. Also where would the money come from for a CL format? In a typical league format, all foundation clubs would be supplying a license/participation fee which would go towards running the league. A CL format wouldn't have that same money coming in. https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2024-07/Football%20Australia%20Domestic%20Match%20Calendar%2024-25%20-%20FINAL_0.pdfSorry it was April to September that the NST has been signed off on... IF they go with a CL format it would have to be at least over those months.. As to who qualifies... your guess is as good as mine :)
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I think were all shooting off the hip and so many theories - not surprising I agree but think we need to just "wait" (yes I know how long) when JJ/FA get back from their Paris hols rubbing up next to their Matildas jennie bottle cash cow - afterall thats priority #1 right :) Even though in saying the above may I remind as he quotes in his Nov 23 press release below : Johnson highlighted the strategic importance of the NST: " This is more than just a competition; it's a cornerstone in our mission to fortify the foundations of our sport. The National Second Tier will be instrumental in nurturing talent, engaging communities, and elevating the overall quality of football across the country."The decision to commence the NST in 2025 was made to ensure a solid foundation for the competition, accommodating comprehensive planning and development for all stakeholders. Two competition formats are under consideration for the inaugural season, contingent upon the successful selection of additional clubs next year: - A 10-team competition with two rounds plus a Finals Series, totalling 18 regular season matches.
- A 12-team competition with two rounds plus a Finals Series, totalling 22 regular season matches.
Furthermore, the NST will be a pivotal feature in the media rights deal from 2025 onwards, showcasing Football Australia’s commitment to the growth and promotion of football in Australia.
https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news/football-australia-announces-foundation-clubs-national-second-tier I tell you, you can't make this crap up (as Middy says, how long does this basket case country re football keep being backwards ) for as we know the goal posts have changed last couple of months, he is either going to look good OR you know what when the crunch comes very very soon.
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I'm curious, does anyone have any info on what the potential CL format would look like? It keeps getting mentioned, but what are we actually talking about here?
Are we talking about a comp that would still involve the 10-12 clubs selected, or is the whole NST selection process now moot?
Are we talking about a comp involving the winners of each NPL? If so, then how low do they go? Example, Preston are one of the eight foundation clubs, but are in NPLV2 and not currently top of the table. Do they just miss out or would the eight foundation clubs auto qualify. If that's the case it would be a bit unfair to Preston as they would have an inferior squad to clubs in the top NPLs.
Also where would the money come from for a CL format? In a typical league format, all foundation clubs would be supplying a license/participation fee which would go towards running the league. A CL format wouldn't have that same money coming in.
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I have finally reached the point of not caring anymore... Ange was right....
I am so over the infighting, insane claims, ..... just countless years of crap, ....
No one ever in my life time [70 years old] or no body has come close to ever getting on top of things...
Decades of poor to hopeless management, countless little empires, so much duplication across the country.... so much death riding whats not your choice of things...
I am out of it, will just go to watch the Mariners matches, what whoever streams Australian Football.... and go to Socceroos matches when I can...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Are APIA refusing to participate in NST or legal? So what happened to the rumoured done deals of Tassie and Caroline Springs? Have potential clubs thrown the towel in after doing all they can to get in? So damn frustrating! I can't see legal working out well, not sure there's much of a leg to stand on there. As far as I know, it's been a continuation of the same criteria that the 8 clubs joined with, that was always the plan. Maybe the original clubs could stump up the missing security for the 2-4 additional clubs? There has to be a workable solution somewhere... The foundation clubs have rock solid legal case as I understand it mate, contract signed on the basis of a full h/a season based on FA's 2025 competition calendar.. Only way FA can implement a CL model (again as I understand it) is if it goes for the same March-August time period..... Two clubs are waiting on announcement and another two "in the wings" as I understand it .... looks like we will know one way or the other soon :P Cheers. Wow. Makes me wonder WTF FA would be thinking by not going ahead with H&A. What is their motivation for backing out? It really wouldn't cost them much to get up and running with just 12 clubs excluding WA, so it can't be money. The unnerving costs are with the clubs. I know FA wanted to be vigilant to ensure clubs don't go under or abandon the competition... It seems they might have to lower that bar and everyone crosses fingers it takes off. It's kinda like two options now, lawyer up and embarrass ourselves again, or lower the bar and possibly embarrass ourselves hahaha ahhhh man... Maybe JJ throws out the "champions league" option as a last resort only, maybe thinking it would less embarrassing if the league didn't get up? Mate, the thought processes, what are they thinking 🤯 Yep, clock's ticking!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Interesting. Still eagerly awaiting JJ announcement. Sounds like he is the football first type of CEO we have been waiting for. Hope he is enjoying the Olympics. He deserves the holiday. You don't think the head of football should be at the olympics? As long as he flies back on Friday after the Tillies are done :P
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Are APIA refusing to participate in NST or legal? So what happened to the rumoured done deals of Tassie and Caroline Springs? Have potential clubs thrown the towel in after doing all they can to get in? So damn frustrating! I can't see legal working out well, not sure there's much of a leg to stand on there. As far as I know, it's been a continuation of the same criteria that the 8 clubs joined with, that was always the plan. Maybe the original clubs could stump up the missing security for the 2-4 additional clubs? There has to be a workable solution somewhere... The foundation clubs have rock solid legal case as I understand it mate, contract signed on the basis of a full h/a season based on FA's 2025 competition calendar.. Only way FA can implement a CL model (again as I understand it) is if it goes for the same March-August time period..... Two clubs are waiting on announcement and another two "in the wings" as I understand it .... looks like we will know one way or the other soon :P
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. All rumours at the moment so, with a pinch of salt in hand, I say let APIA drop out and take 1 more from the other applicants who will give it a go. Gonna be a pain in the arse getting in via promotion..........one day..........hopefully Yeah agreed, just rumours....
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. If JJ was really genuine about getting the NST over the line, he would approach the APIA issue by negotiating with the nexgt best alternative club to replace them. Not use it as an opportunity to throw the baby out with the bath water. To be honest, JJ would have plenty on his plate atm. It would be easier for him to point the finger to APIA, assuming this rumor is correct. He can then kick the can the down the road and tick the I tried NSD box, make APL happy box, not under my watch box.
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+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. If JJ was really genuine about getting the NST over the line, he would approach the APIA issue by negotiating with the nexgt best alternative club to replace them. Not use it as an opportunity to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Interesting. Still eagerly awaiting JJ announcement. Sounds like he is the football first type of CEO we have been waiting for. Hope he is enjoying the Olympics. He deserves the holiday. You don't think the head of football should be at the olympics?
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it was always mentioned nothing released till after the Olympics, in other words when we get back from hols lol.....
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+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Interesting. Still eagerly awaiting JJ announcement. Sounds like he is the football first type of CEO we have been waiting for. Hope he is enjoying the Olympics. He deserves the holiday.
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getting a broadcast deal will be crucial - here or overseas if possible. I don't think the crowds will be that good. Maybe a sugar hit at first, but the truth is NPL crowds (here in vic) have been pretty woeful.
Clubs will need to work hard in their communities to attract new supporters
It is so infuriating that all the money was spunked on digital content strategy....NSD has/had the potential to create so many engaging, newsworthy stories...and interest.
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+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. All rumours at the moment so, with a pinch of salt in hand, I say let APIA drop out and take 1 more from the other applicants who will give it a go. Gonna be a pain in the arse getting in via promotion..........one day..........hopefully
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Honestly embarrassed to be an Apia member at the moment. They are definitely pushing the champions league model
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+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space. Are APIA refusing to participate in NST or legal? So what happened to the rumoured done deals of Tassie and Caroline Springs? Have potential clubs thrown the towel in after doing all they can to get in? So damn frustrating! I can't see legal working out well, not sure there's much of a leg to stand on there. As far as I know, it's been a continuation of the same criteria that the 8 clubs joined with, that was always the plan. Maybe the original clubs could stump up the missing security for the 2-4 additional clubs? There has to be a workable solution somewhere...
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+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" That is EXACTLY what 7 clubs have now done. APIA is refusing to participate according to my source. Also two other clubs, that can't be named because they have signed NDA with FA and I don't wanna burn them, are in principle part of this legal action. JJ and the NST management team are in Paris at the moment and havent been in communication with ANYONE from NST Clubland for at least 7 days now.... They threw that Champions League barb out and disappeared. Club committees were told that NOTHING will be announced until the FA team return from Paris and clubs are getting antsie. Olympics finishes on 11th Aug, I would say if there is NO FA announcement by 15th the legal proceedings will commence... Watch this space.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNice read. Who would of thought my ramblings would be easily backed up by stats :P I'll make a stats nerd out of you yet :P having said that the slingshot effect being a mechanism to grow football is not something i expected (and I didn't expect to find that in the nsl!). It actually goes against Nick Galatas statement that the good thing about p and r is it helps clubs find their level - p and r benefits the ecosystem by stretching kids above their level and letting them yoyoSo stats will always teach you something new and confront your biases Yes, but once the yo-yoing goes for a while clubs DO find their level..... it happens the whole world over.... some clubs take decades, others seasons, but evnetually each is where they deserve to be ... on sporting merit. Well its complicating because the yoyo is one of the means by which the level rises and you end up with more clubs that can play at a pro level over time EXACTLY RIGHT... England didnt get 96 pro clubs (or whatever the number is) overnight.... Indeed which is why npl on planes for a nst would be totally fine as long as you have a system to make yoyoing common. If we cant afford a conference tier could make it for the time being that relegated teams automatically get first dibs on promotion if they finish top in the npl next year rather than use a finals systems pper Heres a thought for your next Roar article and Reddit poll... announce a National Second Divison made up of 14 as yet to be formed, new regional football clubs, based all around Australia with absolutely NO connection to exisiting effnik clubs but perhaps to some of the larger regional/metro clubs like Wollongong, Shepparton, Tasmania, Canberra etc.... let me know if ANYONE mentions cost as a prohibitive factor or mentions "we need a stable Aleague first" heheheheheheheh, I think you're imposing some sort of siege mentality on yourself mate. From my experience the vast majority of Australian football fans would welcome a mix of NPL/former NSL clubs and new expansions to an NSD. SU58 presents an issue for some people though after the Australia Cup issue. Concerns about affordability are almost certainly separate to concerns about ethnic violence or whatever for most people; not everything is a thinly veiled attack on old Australian football Sure mate, maybe I do have a "siege mentality" Im willing to admit to that :) I agree that most passionate football fans have moved on from the prejudices of the past but there is still a small but VERY vocal minority that sees the NST as a comp for the "Greeks, Italians and Croats"... It’s nly speak of SY2024 and things are slightly better than 20 years ago but it seems we are STILL not all "proper" Australians. I only speak of Sydney, but most of the people born to immigrant parents do not refer to themselves as Australian. The worst offenders are to me “ one and the same “, namely North Macedonians and Greeks. Even if their parents were born here, they still refer to themselves as non Australians. and what do YOU call them Sutho? Aussies or would be wogs, really annoys the twats. That'll show them pesky foreigners eh...... Keep up the fight.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNice read. Who would of thought my ramblings would be easily backed up by stats :P I'll make a stats nerd out of you yet :P having said that the slingshot effect being a mechanism to grow football is not something i expected (and I didn't expect to find that in the nsl!). It actually goes against Nick Galatas statement that the good thing about p and r is it helps clubs find their level - p and r benefits the ecosystem by stretching kids above their level and letting them yoyoSo stats will always teach you something new and confront your biases Yes, but once the yo-yoing goes for a while clubs DO find their level..... it happens the whole world over.... some clubs take decades, others seasons, but evnetually each is where they deserve to be ... on sporting merit. Well its complicating because the yoyo is one of the means by which the level rises and you end up with more clubs that can play at a pro level over time EXACTLY RIGHT... England didnt get 96 pro clubs (or whatever the number is) overnight.... Indeed which is why npl on planes for a nst would be totally fine as long as you have a system to make yoyoing common. If we cant afford a conference tier could make it for the time being that relegated teams automatically get first dibs on promotion if they finish top in the npl next year rather than use a finals systems pper Heres a thought for your next Roar article and Reddit poll... announce a National Second Divison made up of 14 as yet to be formed, new regional football clubs, based all around Australia with absolutely NO connection to exisiting effnik clubs but perhaps to some of the larger regional/metro clubs like Wollongong, Shepparton, Tasmania, Canberra etc.... let me know if ANYONE mentions cost as a prohibitive factor or mentions "we need a stable Aleague first" heheheheheheheh, I think you're imposing some sort of siege mentality on yourself mate. From my experience the vast majority of Australian football fans would welcome a mix of NPL/former NSL clubs and new expansions to an NSD. SU58 presents an issue for some people though after the Australia Cup issue. Concerns about affordability are almost certainly separate to concerns about ethnic violence or whatever for most people; not everything is a thinly veiled attack on old Australian football Sure mate, maybe I do have a "siege mentality" Im willing to admit to that :) I agree that most passionate football fans have moved on from the prejudices of the past but there is still a small but VERY vocal minority that sees the NST as a comp for the "Greeks, Italians and Croats"... It’s nly speak of SY2024 and things are slightly better than 20 years ago but it seems we are STILL not all "proper" Australians. I only speak of Sydney, but most of the people born to immigrant parents do not refer to themselves as Australian. The worst offenders are to me “ one and the same “, namely North Macedonians and Greeks. Even if their parents were born here, they still refer to themselves as non Australians. and what do YOU call them Sutho? Aussies or would be wogs, really annoys the twats. Wozzies?
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Won't matter Apl will kick the can down the road or move the goal posts
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" If you dont have a good case it could backfire tho? Especially if fa feel they are doing this out of the goodness of their heart and hold the legal trump cards How much leverage do clubs have? They're paying for it, which ought to buy a lot of leverage. Unfortunately though, Australia is a country where a lot of people are in charge of spending other people's money. That makes it fair that they get the final say if they are paying for it, but that doesnt mean the law is on their side. The law could be stupid haha
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+x+x+x+x+xMSC I saw earlier this arvo my very devoted Lions supporter and insider. He/they is pissed with the FA,depending what becomes they will consider going legal towards them. Told ya..... If you had told me 20 years ago that Preston and Hellas would be on the same side IN ANYTHING I would have laughed at you.... Will they have a good case? It's not about having a case. It's about sending a message to somebody that appears incredibly dense to be talking about "a champions league" despite a period of years of being told "no". They have this ridiculous notion that it's still in the conversation. So yes, you sit down at that table with a lawyer and try to pentrate their skulls saying "look at this. it's a lawyer. this is how no the no is. does this look like a yes to you?" If you dont have a good case it could backfire tho? Especially if fa feel they are doing this out of the goodness of their heart and hold the legal trump cards How much leverage do clubs have? They're paying for it, which ought to buy a lot of leverage. Unfortunately though, Australia is a country where a lot of people are in charge of spending other people's money.
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