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+x+x+x+x+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. IF This has become the Lakeside Rumour thread, and the strike rate is pretty poor, so lets not get ahead of ourselves However IF this is true Yep, I'll be gone as well Ive heard similar as well just NOT at Lakeside :) Rumours are flying thick and fast but I don't think this one has any "legs" ... 8 foundation clubs MUST know their members will bail if this dogshit gets the nod... What's the latest official word?? Anything from JJ yet? Surely no NST starting next year. Gotta be way to late ? "official word" hahahahahahahahh Oh you were being serious :P Semi serious with a dash of hope.
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+x+x+x+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. IF This has become the Lakeside Rumour thread, and the strike rate is pretty poor, so lets not get ahead of ourselves However IF this is true Yep, I'll be gone as well Ive heard similar as well just NOT at Lakeside :) Rumours are flying thick and fast but I don't think this one has any "legs" ... 8 foundation clubs MUST know their members will bail if this dogshit gets the nod... What's the latest official word?? Anything from JJ yet? Surely no NST starting next year. Gotta be way to late ? "official word" hahahahahahahahh Oh you were being serious :P
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+x+x+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. IF This has become the Lakeside Rumour thread, and the strike rate is pretty poor, so lets not get ahead of ourselves However IF this is true Yep, I'll be gone as well Ive heard similar as well just NOT at Lakeside :) Rumours are flying thick and fast but I don't think this one has any "legs" ... 8 foundation clubs MUST know their members will bail if this dogshit gets the nod... What's the latest official word?? Anything from JJ yet? Surely no NST starting next year. Gotta be way to late ?
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+x+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. IF This has become the Lakeside Rumour thread, and the strike rate is pretty poor, so lets not get ahead of ourselves However IF this is true Yep, I'll be gone as well Ive heard similar as well just NOT at Lakeside :) Rumours are flying thick and fast but I don't think this one has any "legs" ... 8 foundation clubs MUST know their members will bail if this dogshit gets the nod...
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+xThey should've done this THIS season, entering this phase right now! Absolutely dragging the feet here. Playing this comp right now as a trial of real world costs and logistics I could've lived with. But waiting yet another 12 months just for this? It's a kick in the nuts. There is room for a champions league or league cup type of comp like this, but IN ADDITION TO an NST, not a replacement, temporary or other. Agreed...
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+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. +1 .... Ill follow South in the NPL and once season is done ... its couch time and overseas leagues on the telly...
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+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. IF This has become the Lakeside Rumour thread, and the strike rate is pretty poor, so lets not get ahead of ourselves However IF this is true Yep, I'll be gone as well
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+xIf this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way. Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all. I've given up. hope a home and away comes in 2026 and you come back it's been way too long
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If this is the NST format then I've 100% given up on the game in Australia. Ange is right. The country just doesn't care enough to get involved. Too many people sucking up a wage and getting their dick in the way.
Call me a euro snob. I attended every match in Adelaide of the first 3 seasons of the a-league. I attended Adelaide city games in the NSL. I travelled interstate. I played, coached, refereed. idid it all.
I've given up.
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They should've done this THIS season, entering this phase right now! Absolutely dragging the feet here. Playing this comp right now as a trial of real world costs and logistics I could've lived with. But waiting yet another 12 months just for this? It's a kick in the nuts. There is room for a champions league or league cup type of comp like this, but IN ADDITION TO an NST, not a replacement, temporary or other.
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+xI cant imagine a scenario where clubs are keen to pay wages for another 2-3 months, essentially no off season. Even as a one off i cant imagine much appetite for this. Nobody would turn up either, fans are exhausted after a long season. yeah wonder if it means upping the roster to include full time players since it effectively means a 9 month season
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I cant imagine a scenario where clubs are keen to pay wages for another 2-3 months, essentially no off season. Even as a one off i cant imagine much appetite for this. Nobody would turn up either, fans are exhausted after a long season.
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+xSo 7 round season and you'd expect 3 rounds of knockout finals. 10 week NST with guaranteed spots for foundation clubs ala European Super League... Honestly, it's better than nothing, especially if it works as a pathway to a full H&A in the seasons to come. But one wonders how economically feasible this is. I can only see clubs going for this if the FA are on the hook for more of the operating budget. The AAFC modelling showed a champions league format was the least feasible. Also wonder how South fans will feel about the regular NPL season... so we can get relegated and still participate in the NST? Might suck the energy out of the regular season... which would hit the bottom line in the wrong way! This would be ok as a temporary measure.... and I guess it does point to wanting to building a broader club culture. I for one reckon the NSD needs connection to the NPLs from day 1 via pro/rel... so this might be a good compromise. Yeah if its one season bridge brilliant If its the new normal its all burden for clubs and no carrot
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So 7 round season and you'd expect 3 rounds of knockout finals. 10 week NST with guaranteed spots for foundation clubs ala European Super League... Honestly, it's better than nothing, especially if it works as a pathway to a full H&A in the seasons to come. But one wonders how economically feasible this is. I can only see clubs going for this if the FA are on the hook for more of the operating budget. The AAFC modelling showed a champions league format was the least feasible. Also wonder how South fans will feel about the regular NPL season... so we can get relegated and still participate in the NST? Might suck the energy out of the regular season... which would hit the bottom line in the wrong way! This would be ok as a temporary measure.... and I guess it does point to wanting to building a broader club culture. I for one reckon the NSD needs connection to the NPLs from day 1 via pro/rel... so this might be a good compromise.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
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Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated   hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. Incorrect. If NSD goes ahead NPL will be an 11 team competition. What are you basing this off?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. Incorrect. If NSD goes ahead NPL will be an 11 team competition. What are you basing this off?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. Incorrect. If NSD goes ahead NPL will be an 11 team competition.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]He does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess.  I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am.
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did something happen on the weekend that has made you feel sad ?
Why dont you scrunch that tissue up and jam it up your arsehole? [/quote]I heard you the first time Hahahaha dont know what happened there... I think the AI in the laptop can finally "feel" my moods. hahahahahah
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So many people have been hanging on to the hope that maybe, just maybe Australian football is going to move forward but then you’ve got aforementioned ‘knobheads’ doing everything possible to make sure that doesn’t happen. This.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]He does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve..
God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so.
What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity?
6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL).
This is the bit I'm interested in
Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ?
I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced.
Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when.
Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision.
Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division.
I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's..
4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) Any Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division.
In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition"
Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field
Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along
Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me
Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting.
Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here
What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started...
Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress?
Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating.
"we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined
Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it
FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid
What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ?
What's also missing is
4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion.
So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together
https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf
Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating.
- Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now.
"we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined
Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it -
As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ...
What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality
2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting
3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp
4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated.
And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been
Anyhow, what's FV solution ?
You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be....
Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen.....
Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier.
https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources
Hahahahaha
reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated
hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH
So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up
Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules'
Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ?
If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess.
I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead
Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am. RUOK ? did something happen on the weekend that has made you feel sad ? [/quote]Why dont you scrunch that tissue up and jam it up your arsehole? I heard you the first time
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]He does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am. [/quote]RUOK ? did something happen on the weekend that has made you feel sad ? Why dont you scrunch that tissue up and jam it up your arsehole?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]He does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am. [/quote]RUOK ? did something happen on the weekend that has made you feel sad ? Why dont you scrunch that tissue up and jam it up your arsehole?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]He does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am. [/quote]RUOK ? did something happen on the weekend that has made you feel sad ? Why dont you scrunch that tissue up and jam it up your arsehole?
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It’s the hope that kills you.
So many people have been hanging on to the hope that maybe, just maybe Australian football is going to move forward but then you’ve got aforementioned ‘knobheads’ doing everything possible to make sure that doesn’t happen.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? In no particular order, just off the top of my head (and I'm sure there are others): 1. Any negative comment on Football Queensland social media, the commentator is immediately blocked. Made a minor comment on twitter saying something about it before unfair to ban Sunshine Coast to join the NSD and got immediately blocked. What a knobhead. Also maybe because you were regurgitating a lie
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+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? In no particular order, just off the top of my head (and I'm sure there are others): 1. Any negative comment on Football Queensland social media, the commentator is immediately blocked. Made a minor comment on twitter saying something about it before unfair to ban Sunshine Coast to join the NSD and got immediately blocked. What a knobhead.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am. RUOK ? did something happen on the weekend that has made you feel sad ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead Im with the APL on this one.... we dont deserve a NSD... and wont ever get one... Ill just sit back and follow my club around the state league paddocks and just have to learn to be content with who "mainstream Australia" tells me I am.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe does tend to go off at random moments, might coincide with a touch of the old vino-collapso ? He blocked Galatas last time According to a reliable poster on another forum Cavalluci has aspirations for the top job at FA so why wouldn’t he try to disrupt what JJ is trying to achieve.. God help us if this happens to occur. The bloke is a narcissistic clown, he has driven football in Queensland significantly backwards in the time he has been CEO, as well as pocket a ridiculously high salary while doing so. What has he done to drive qld football backwards out of curiosity? 6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL). This is the bit I'm interested in Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ? I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced. Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision. Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division. I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's.. 4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) A ny Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division. In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition" Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting. Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate. What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. "we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? What's also missing is 4.5 Promotion and Relegation – National Second Division
a) Football Queensland will determine the movement of teams back into its Competitions and may review and amend these conditions at its sole and absolute discretion. So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. - Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now."we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it - As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -
WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet. Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -
Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?
1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality 2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting 3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp 4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions. NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been Anyhow, what's FV solution ? You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier. https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources Hahahahaha reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules' Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ? If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. I'm with Queensland on this one, even if Cavallucci is a knobhead
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