Millions spent on a superstar foreign coach is money not spent on grassroots trying to produce players like son

That’s another chapter Graz that we discuss a lot elsewhere and I’m with you on that front.
people want results now.
we can’t 

See, here's the thing:

We say we want attractive football, which we got under Ange, but then complained it didn't get the results. However, he got us to the World Cup and left because - everyone complained about his style because it wasn't getting results and we had to qualify through the playoffs.

Arnie comes in - yes, and fucks up the 2019 Asian Cup - but also gets pretty much exactly the same results as Ange, and then betters the results of any previous Australian team at a men's World Cup.

Y'all need to decide what you want.

yeah our fan base acts like we have a bunch of champions league super stars

when we had epl regulars we found asia hard and asia has improved since then!

We didn’t give a toss about Asia then 

Trevor Morgan, has done extremely well with the youth Australian teams.

We're spending millions on Arnold. And no one is suggesting a super star coach. 
Just somebody whose glass ceiling is higher than Arnold's. 

Hang on...

According to Finance Football, Arnold will be the 12th highest paid coach in Qatar and earns an annual salary of $1.9 million.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/football/news/australia-world-cup-coach-graham-arnold-contract-socceroos-record-style-clubs-managed-trophies/aerxhp2ywbzdjdfstlesifpz

 and

another $ 5 million for 2026

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-30/graham-arnold-renews-socceroos-contract/101905774

Ange won the Asian Cup, mate.

C'mon mate.  This is without doubt the most reactive team in our history.  Find me one other socceroos team that played with a meagre 26% of the ball against Asian opposition.  Its unacceptable.

He wont chnage either.  He played this way in Qatar and we jagged 2 wins against.

No-one is questioning Arnold's commitment to Australian football.  What is being quesitoned is his inability to play pro-active football even against lower tier nations that people are questioning. 

Do you rally want another 2 or so years of this?

I wonder if Joachim Löw would like to spend a decade in Australia. 

Vidmar!? Aussie coach? For the love of fos I mean god

Well here's the thing: according to this link

we paid Arnold more than the Saudi's paid Renard ( 1.9 million versus 1.6 million) in 2022

Bingo! 

Einsteins doing the sums should be adding the next wonder coach salary onto Arnold's. Sacking him still means you're paying his contract.

So that would be another 2 million not spent on kids because you want revenge for losing a game to a team that's fucking better than us.

All valid points you guys make, no matter what coach we have he has to work with what we got and at the moment clearly we are lacking the quality.

The only arguments you can make about Arnie is the style of play and he's preference for physical players, and there is no guarantee an foreign coach could do any different given they will have limited knowledge about our players.

Im open to it as long they can improve our team but who is out there is the big question and how much? 

Be honest did you know he was getting almost $2 million per year in the last campaign? The 12 th highest at the WC? $ 5 million this campain

How much do you lose by keepign him on?

If he's going to serve up shit on a stick football, then the results are the only saving grace.  The results didn't happen. Its indefensible.

Pim was by far the foreign coach who cared most about learning about our players. He spent a lot of time in Australia monitoring the aleague when no other coach would have a bar of that. Venables wasn't watching the nsl back in the day.

No disrespect to pim, but the reality: with all the effort and attention he put in, he still wouldn't have known half of what Arnold knows about the boys.

Hang on...under Farina we took two 6-0 beatings. Under Hiddink we lost a doddy pen to the eventual World Champions.  The manager is king.  Get that appoitnment right and the team will be better than their individual ability.

Seriou question do.you really want to watch THIS for the next 2 and half years?

Holger was apparently pretty apathetic to things and it kept spiralling and spiralling. Simon Hill met him for dinner and noticed he just didn't seem overly into it.

And maybe that's the problem..Arnold been accused of being too close to the players, of choosing players he favours or he has worked with at club level to the detriment of other players. ask Langerak for one.

I'd much rather have  manager who has zero connections to players, makes the hard calls and picks on merit.

Qatar world cup prize money 9 million for group stage and 13 million for r16 place.

We didn't pay Arnie 2 million. He paid us 2 million.

And that's why he was kept on after the WC. 

The Asian Cup was a failure.  There is not a single redeeming thing about this campaign.  The play was shit.  The results were shit.  No new talents emerged and took the next step.  Why would you want more of this?

I don't know, I just find his tendency to want grind out results can feel like giving up possession and relying on desperate defending hard. Also, I don't know if it is the players or the coach but when you see teams like Vietnam really improve their first touch and tight passing it feels a bit like we are stuck in the past of physicality. Another thing I've noticed is he seems to have no plan B. First half we are fine, but once they figure us out, we're often in trouble. Some of this is coach, and some players. Can we get the same results playing more aggressive exciting football? Don't know. Is it worth the risk to find out? Also don't know

Because he earned it.

So why did the minnows teams at the Asian cup play decent football with players playing in there local leagues and with a half decent coach. Better possession , better creating chances ,and better passing. Yet we can't follow that or better it that's a question needs to be asked.I don't buy the rubbish it's the personal it's the mindset of the coach.

I personally think Arnie should be sacked as the football under him is atrocious, but this is just untrue. Australia dominated every game except the South Korea one, and from what I watched all the minnow nations did exactly what they always do in Asia. That is get 10 men behind the ball and defend (honestly, they don't even try and play on the counter). This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but the level of Asian football hasn't increased at all, and anyone who think it has is mistaken. We can tell ourselves that Asian football is getting better but in all reality it's not so this need to stop being used as a excuse for poor performances.       

Syria and India played the low block anti-football game so no improvement there.Uzbekistan played a more expansive game and used the ball well.Remember we spanked them 6 nil in the 2011 Asian Cup so they definitely have improved.Indonesia also played some enterprising football in the middle of the park but were clueless in the final third of the pitch.If they had a quality striker they will improve( but hey the  same could be said of our boys).

South Korea have many players playing at a higher club level than our team and have skill,speed and physicality so can match and indeed outplay us.Historically  games between us and them have been tight so while we have improved( better game awareness and ability to adhere to game plans,Miller excepted) they have improved their skill levels and ability to move the ball quickly.

He earned a crack at this Asian Cup.  He got that.  He failed in performance, results and talent identification.  Time to move on.

If you had a coach come in and pick the 11 best Aussie players currently you would get their idea of what a good player is - defensively resilient, chasing, skilful, insightful, fast, tough, fluid, mongrel, clinical, brilliant when serviced, follow the plan, ...? Whatever.

Arnie picks the squad that will make his job the easiest to play the way he wants. So we get the same players of his style when to other eyes they are not the best players. He can't bring in the new faces because he will have to teach them his way and the ones he has already know that. We mentioned it earlier in the Asian Cup thread that when he brings in a new and thriving player he then forces them into his system - often to our disadvantage.

Fornaroli is the perfect example. Arnie brought him in because he scores goals when you give him the ball. When Fornaroli started he put his standard defensive team out there with him. Fornaroli worked hard to create chances, got no ball delivered, and had no impact. So Arnie 'knows' that Duke is better. Final game and he starts Goodwin, who has vision and passing ability, and teams him up with Duke again instead of the in form, totally capable Fornaroli.

We say 'Arnie does the best with the cattle he has available' and I call bullsh*t on that. Arnie does not even do the best he can with the cattle he chooses, let alone choosing the best cattle for the herd. He does not want to have to redesign or rebuild anything and he thinks grinding out poor wins, but sometimes not, is a good result. He is not alone in that thought clearly.

I don't think that. If Arnie picked a side based on 6 of our best defenders and 4 of our best combination attacking players he could still play defensively safe football but include the creative attacking that saw us play much more attractive and 'opposition restrictive' football than having 10 players back and literally kicking the ball back to the opponent for most of the last 30 minutes of normal time.

If we are a goal up with half an hour to go Arnie will always call his players back and let the opposition come at us. It is his nature and his vision and he cannot change it - so what we see is all we are going to get.

We have better players and can play a better style of football than we are. Talay and Popa would both be coaches with the vision to play defensive and attacking football. They can identify players who can do what they need them for and explain how to do it - they are doing that now. Just because they have not coached internationally does not mean they lack credibility. Arnie's record shows that he can f*ck up a winning combination in the past and he can still do it now. He is not a rock solid coach with a rock solid record by a long way. He has proven that he can think like a rock though.

Give us a coach who fights for the right to lose while working on it, and produces the winning football we are capable of - yes, even without big name world class star quality players.

My eyes are sick of bleeding for his football.