HappyGuus
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This is fantastic stuff NicCarBel, or are you really Andy Howe haha. I'm not positive, but I don't think Tassie's NPL links below to North and South. I think it's selective pro/rel like the old NSL days.
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OVERALL NPL CONNECTED LEAGUES - Shortest in connected leagues – Olympic (NPL Queensland) & Yeronga Eagles (QPL4-M) @ 0.17km
- If counting the Victorian ‘shared’ grounds – Oakleigh Cannons (NPL Victoria) & Chisholm United (VSL2-SE) @ 0.11km
- Shortest in the same league – (Victoria State League 1 – South East) Malvern City & Old Scotch @ 0.40km
- If counting the Victorian ‘shared’ grounds – (Victorian State League 4 – South) Springdale City & Sandown Lions @ 0.12km
- Furthest in connected leagues – Yoogali SC (NPL Capital Football) & Brindabella Blues (Capital Premier League) @ 382km
- Furthest in the same league – (NPL Capital Football) Yoogali SC & Monaro Panthers @ 378km | (NPL Capital Football) Yoogali SC & Tuggeranong United @ 378km
For what it's worth, every single road trip to/from Yoogali this season are longer than any singular trip in any singular league this season across all leagues.
- Croatia – 366km
- Tuggeranong – 378km
- Olympic + O’Connor – 355km
- Tigers – 354km
- Gungahlin – 350km
- Monaro – 378km
The next longest singular league road trip? Devonport v Kingborough in NPL Tasmania @ 295km
When including all possible trips in connected leagues (and this includes for Yoogali), of the 15 possible road trips to/from Yoogali in the NPL Pyramids, only trip would break into that top 15 from outside of Capital Football (Somerset Sharks | Taroona in TAS @ 351km). Here's the 15 in total. - Yoogali <> Brindabella – 382km
- Yoogali <> Tuggeranong - 378km
- Yoogali <> Monaro Panthers - 378km
- Yoogali <> Queanbeyan City - 377km
- Yoogali <> West Canberra Wanderers - 370km
- Yoogali <> Canberra White Eagles - 369km
- Yoogali <> Canberra Croatia – 366km
- Yoogali <> ANU FC - 360km
- Yoogali <> Olympic – 355km
- Yoogali <> O’Connor – 355km
- Yoogali <> Canberra Juventus – 355km
- Yoogali <> Tigers – 354km
- Somerset Sharks <> Taroona - 351km
- Yoogali <> Gungahlin – 350km
- Yoogali <> Belconnen – 348km
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NORTHERN TERRITORY
Noting a couple things up front here. The Norzone Premier League is exclusively played from the Darwin Football Stadium. However, NT Football helpfully listed the training ground for all clubs in the Northern Zone, so this is what has been used to calculate distances. - Norzone Premier League
- Furthest – Port Darwin & Litchfield @ 30.4km
- Shortest – Casuarina & University Azzurri | Darwin Hearts @ 1.27km
- Note – Hellenic Athletic & Darwin Football Stadium is 1.08km
- Shared Grounds
- University Azzurri & Darwin Hearts @ Nakara Primary School
- Southern Zone Premier League
- Furthest – Ross Park (Home Ground for Alice Springs Celtic, Verdi, Gillen Scorpions and Stormbirds) & Vikings @ 2.21km
- Shortest – Ross Park (Home Ground for Alice Springs Celtic, Verdi, Gillen Scorpions and Stormbirds) & Vikings @ 2.21km
- OVERALL (Note, as these are unconnected leagues, I will not be including these in the OVERALL post that is coming up)
- Furthest – Port Darwin (Norzone Premier League) & Vikings (SouthernZone Premier League) @ 1497km
- Shortest – Casuarina & University Azzurri | Darwin Hearts @ 1.27km
- Note – Hellenic Athletic & Darwin Football Stadium is 1.08km
- Shared Grounds
- University Azzurri (Northern Zone) & Darwin Hearts (Northern Zone) @ Nakara Primary School
- Alice Springs Celtic, Verdi, Gillen Scorpions and Stormbirds (All Southern Zone) @ Ross Park
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NicCarBel
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CAPTIAL FOOTBALL- National Premier League
- Furthest – Yoogali SC & Monaro Panthers @ 378km | Yoogali SC & Tuggeranong United @ 378km
- Shortest – Tigers FC & O’Connor Knights | Canberra Olympic @ 2.19km
- Shared Grounds
- Canberra Olympic & O’Connor Knights @ O’Connor Enclosed
- Capital Premier League
- Furthest – Wagga City Wanderers & Brindabella Blues @ 269km
- Shortest – West Canberra Wanderers & Canberra White Eagles @ 2.27km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Yoogali SC (NPL) & Brindabella Blues (CPL) @ 382km
- Shortest – Monaro Panthers (NPL) & Queanbeyan City (CPL) @ 0.35km
- Shared Grounds
- Canberra Olympic (NPL) & O’Connor Knights (NPL) @ O’Connor Enclosed
Bolded as, collectively, these are both the current longest road trips within a single league, and within any connected leagues across Australia. More on that later.
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QUEENSLAND
Connected Leagues - National Premier League
- Furthest – Sunshine Coast Wanderers & Gold Coast United @ 183km)
- Shortest – Brisbane Roar & Brisbane City @ 2.79km
- QPL 1
- Furthest – SWQ Thunder & Caboolture Sports @ 171km
- Shortest – Brisbane Strikers & Southside Eagles @ 2.01km
- QPL 2
- Furthest – Maroochydore & Magic United @ 178km
- Shortest – Samford Rangers & Pine Hills @ 6.47km
- QPL 3 – Darling Downs
- Furthest – Warwick Wolves & Gatton Redbacks @ 99.4km
- Shortest – St Albans & West Wanderers @ 0.67km
- QPL 3 – Metro
- Furthest – Redcliffe Dolphins & Springfield United @ 79.1km
- Shortest – Newmarket & North Brisbane @ 2.51km
- QPL 3 – South Coast
- Furthest – Murwillumbah & Runaway Bay Hawks @ 64.3km
- Shortest – Robina City & Burleigh Heads Bulldogs @ 2.10km
- QPL 3 – Sunshine Coast
- Furthest – Gympie United & Beerwah Glasshouse United @ 104km
- Shortest – Caloundra & Kawana @ 3.47km
- QPL 4 – Metro
- Furthest – Ipswich City & Brighton Bulldogs @ 69.5km
- Shortest – Annerley & Tarragindi Tigers @ 1.33km
- QPL 4 – South Coast
- Furthest – Pimpama City & Mudgeeraba @ 32.0km
- Shortest – Nerang Eagles & Legends @ 6.75km
- QPL 5 – Metro
- Furthest – Narangba Eagles & Jimboomba United @ 93.8km
- Shortest – Pine Hills Braza & Westside Grovely @ 3.08km
- QPL 6 – Metro
- Furthest – Teviot Downs & Queensland University of Technology @ 53.2km
- Shortest – Queensland University of Technology & Australian Catholic University @ 1.51km
Unconnected Leagues - QPL Regional – Wide Bay
- Furthest – Across The Waves & Fraser Flames | Sandy Straits Jets @ 117km | Across The Waves & Sunbury Blues @ 117km
- Shortest – Across The Waves & SC Corinthians | United Park Eagles @ 0.67km
- Shared Grounds
- Fraser Flames & Sandy Straits Jets @ Fraser Coast Sports and Recreation Precinct
- SC Corinthians & United Park Eagles @ Martens Oval
- QPL Regional – Central Coast
- Furthest – Capricorn Coast & Central FC @ 154km
- Shortest – Berserker Bears & Frenchville @ 1.59km
- QPL Regional – Whitsunday Coast
- Furthest – City Brothers & Whitsunday United @ 154km
- Shortest – Mackay Rangers & Mackay Lions @ 2.37km
- QPL Regional Northern
- Furthest – Burdekin & Brothers Townsville @ 95.6km
- Shortest – Saints Eagles South & Mundingburra Aitkenvale Olympic @ 2.49km
- QPL Regional – Far North & Gulf
- Furthest – Innisfail United & Mareeba United @ 140km
- Shortest – Redlynch Strikers & Leichardt Lions @ 1.04km
- OVERALL Connected Leagues Only
- Furthest – Gympie United (QPL3-SC) & Warwick Wolves (QPL3-DD) @ 328km
- Shortest – Olympic (NPL) & Yeronga Eagles (QPL4-M) @ 0.17km
- Shared Grounds
- Pine Hills (QPL2) & Pine Hills Braza (QPL5) @ James Drysdale Reserve
- Musgrave Mustangs (QPL3-SC) & Legends (QPL4-SC) @ Keith Hunt Park
- OVERALL Unconnected Leagues Only
- Furthest – Sunbury Blues (QPLR-WB) & Mareeba United (QPLR-FNG) @ 1490km | Mareeba United (QPLR-FNG) & Fraser Flames (QPLR-WB) | Sandy Straits Jets (QPLR-WB) @ 1490km
- Shortest – Across The Waves & SC Corinthians | United Park Eagles @ 0.67km
- Shared Grounds
- Fraser Flames & Sandy Straits Jets @ Fraser Coast Sports and Recreation Precinct
- SC Corinthians & United Park Eagles @ Martens Oval
- OVERALL QLD
- Furthest – Mareeba United (QPLR-FNG) & Murwillumbah (QPL3-SC) @ 1869km
- Shortest – Olympic (NPL) & Yeronga Eagles (QPL4-M) @ 0.17km
- Shared Grounds
- Pine Hills (QPL2) & Pine Hills Braza (QPL5) @ James Drysdale Reserve
- Musgrave Mustangs (QPL3-SC) & Legends (QPL4-SC) @ Keith Hunt Park
- Fraser Flames (QPLR-WB) & Sandy Straits Jets (QPLR-WB) @ Fraser Coast Sports and Recreation Precinct
- SC Corinthians (QPLR-WB) & United Park Eagles (QPLR-WB) @ Martens Oval
Have bolded the furthest trip here, as this would be the longest trip across all of Australia if all these leagues were connected.
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VICTORIA- National Premier League
- Furthest – Dandenong Thunder & Hume City @ 62.8km
- Shortest – Green Gully & St Alban Saints @ 1.12km
- Premier League 1
- Furthest – North Geelong Warriors & Langwarrin @ 126km
- Shortest – Kingston City & Bentleigh Greens @ 4.34km
- Shared Grounds
- Melbourne City and Melbourne Victory @ AAMI Park
- Premier League 2
- Furthest – Goulburn Valley Suns & Doveton @ 234km
- Shortest – Box Hill United & Nunwading City @ 2.98km
- Shared Grounds
- Brunswick Juventus & Pascoe Vale @ C.B. Smith Reserve
- State League 1 North-West
- Furthest – Ballarat City & Whittlesea United @ 126km
- Shortest – Westgate & Western Suburbs @ 1.67km
- State League 1 South-East
- Furthest – Gippsland United & Eltham Redbacks @ 113km
- Shortest – Malvern City & Old Scotch @ 0.40km
- State League 2 North-West
- Furthest – Geelong Rangers & Craigieburn City @ 98.8km
- Shortest – Westvale Olympic & Albion Rovers @ 1.46km
- State League 2 South-East
- Furthest – Mooroolbark & Peninsula Strikers @ 50.5km
- Shortest – Bentleigh United Cobras & Hampton East Brighton @ 0.70km
- State League 3 North-West
- Furthest – Sebastopol Vikings & Bundoora United @ 137km
- Shortest – Altona North & Williamstown @ 4.11km
- State League 3 South-East
- Furthest – Frankston Pines & Middle Park @ 54.0km
- Shortest – Noble Park United & White Star Dandenong @ 3.03km
- Shared Grounds
- St Kilda & Elwood City @ Wattie Watson Oval
- State League 4 North
- Furthest – Moonee Valley Knights & Watsonia Heights @30.7km
- Shortest – Moreland United & Fawkner @ 1.07km | Moreland United & Thornbury Athletic @ 1.07km
- State League 4 West
- Furthest – Keilor Wolves & South Coast @ 103km
- Shortest – Melbourne City FC & Barnestoneworth United @ 3.20km
- State League 4 South
- Furthest – Monash University & Somerville Eagles @ 47.6km
- Shortest – Mentone & Keysborough @ 1.81km
- Shared Grounds
- Springvale City & Sandown Lions @ Ross Reserve
- State League 4 East
- Furthest – Monbulk Rangers & Albert Park @ 60.1km
- Shortest – Albert Park & Kings Domain @ 1.31km
- State League 5 North
- Furthest – Mitchell Rangers & FC Birrarung @ 85.2km
- Shortest – Meadow Park & Tullamarine @ 1.54km
- State League 5 West
- Furthest – Bendigo City & Ocean Grove @ 208km
- Shortest – Spring Hills & ETA Buffalo @ 3.29km
- State League 5 South
- Furthest – Bunyip Strikers & Rosebud @ 89.2km
- Shortest – Mount Eliza & Mount Martha @ 4.61km
- State League 5 East
- Furthest – Lilydale Montrose United & Old Melburnians @ 42.1km
- Shortest – St Kevin’s Old Boys & Old Melburnians @ 0.49km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Goulburn Valley Suns (VPL2) & Gippsland United (VSL1-SE) @ 300km
- Shortest –Melbourne Srbija (VPL2) & Collingwood City (VSL1-SE) @ 0.24km
- Shared Grounds
- Altona Magic (NPL) & Altona East (VSL2-NW) @ Paisley Park
- Note – Magic is listed as Pitch 1, with East as Pitch 3, which would make this distance @ 0.21km.
- Oakleigh Cannons (NPL) & Chisholm United (VSL2-SE) @ Jack Edwards Reserve
- Note – Oakleigh is listed as NPL Pitch, and Chisholm as Pitch 2 Synthetic, which would make this distance @ 0.11km
- Manningham United Blues (NPL) & Templestowe Wolves (VSL5-E) @ Pettys Reserve
- Melbourne City (VPL1) & Melbourne Victory (VPL1) @ AAMI Park
- Brunswick Juventus (VPL2), Pascoe Vale (VPL2) & Fawkner (VSL4-N) @ C.B. Smith Reserve
- FC Clifton Hill (VSL1-NW) & Yarra Jets (VSL4-E) @ Quarries Park
- Hampton East Brighton (VSL2-SE) & Brighton (VSL4-S) @ Dendy Park
- Note - Hampton East listed as Pitch Green and Brighton listed as Pitch Red, which would make this distance 0.12km
- St Kilda (VSL3-SE) & Elwood City (VSL3-SE) @ Wattie Watson Oval
- Williamstown (VSL3-NW) & Barnestoneworth United (VSL4-W) @ JT Gray Reserve
- Note - Williamstown listed as Pitch 1, and United listed as Pitch 4, which would make this distance 0.14km
- Springvale City (VSL4-S) & Sandown Lions (VSL4-S) @ Ross Reserve
- Note - Springvale City listed as Pitch 1, with Sandown rotating between Pitch 1 and Pitch 2, which would make this distance 0.12km. However, as both teams home games against one another were on Pitch 1, I would consider this a shared ground.
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NORTHERN NEW SOUTH WALES- National Premier League
- Furthest – Weston Workers Bears & Valentine @ 43.5km
- Shortest – Adamstown Rosebud & Newcastle Olympic @ 0.99km
- Zone Premier League
- Furthest – Singleton Strikers & Swansea United @ 89.2km
- Shortest – Kahibah & South Cardiff @ 4.47km
- Zone League 1
- Furthest – Swansea & Westlakes @ 35.3km (5.86km)
- Interesting little tid-bit, which is the reason for the 5.86km noted there, is that these grounds, as the crow flies, are only 5.86km apart. However, as the drive needs to go around Warners Bay, it makes it the longest road trip in Zone League 1 this season.
- Shortest – Hamilton Azzurri & University of Newcastle @ 2.24km
- Zone League 2
- Furthest – Southern United & Croudace Bay United @ 177km
- Shortest – North United Wolves & Bolwarra Lorn @ 2.36km
- Zone League 3
- Furthest – Medowie & Southern Lakes United @ 70.7km
- Shortest – Garden Suburb & Charlestown @ 2.35km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Singleton Strikers (ZPL) & Southern United (ZL2) @ 211km
- Shortest – Adamstown Rosebud (NPL) & Newcastle Suns (ZL1) @ 0.37km
- Shared Grounds
- Lake Macquarie City (NPL) and Kahibah (ZPL) @ Lake Macquarie Regional Football Centre
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NEW SOUTH WALES- National Premier League
- Furthest – Wollongong Wolves & Central Coast Mariners @ 182km
- Shortest – Sydney United & Marconi @ 1.47km
- Shared Grounds
- St George FC & Rockdale Ilinden @ Rockdale Ilinden Sports Centre
- Blacktown City & Hills United @ Landen Stadium Blacktown City Sports Centre
- League 1
- Furthest – Northern Tigers & Macarthur Rams @ 90.7km
- Shortest – Canterbury-Bankstown & Bankstown City @ 3.20km
- Shared Grounds
- Dunbar Rovers & Hakoah Sydney City East @ Hensley Athletic Field
- League 2
- Furthest – Newcastle United Jets & South Coast Flame @ 271km
- Shortest – Inner West Hawks & Fraser Park @2.8km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Newcastle United Jets (NSWL2) & South Coast Flame (NSWL2) @ 271km
- Shortest – Sydney United (NPL) & Marconi (NPL) @ 1.47km | Sydney United (NPL) & Bonnyrigg White Eagles (NSWL1) @ 1.47km
- Shared Grounds
- St George FC (NPL) & Rockdale Ilinden (NPL) @ Rockdale Ilinden Sports Centre
- Blacktown City (NPL) & Hills United (NPL) @ Landen Stadium Blacktown City Sports Centre
- Dunbar Rovers (NSWL1) & Hakoah Sydney City East (NSWL1) @ Hensley Athletic Field
- Dulwich Hill (NSWL1) & Inner West Hawks (NSWL2) @ Arlington Oval
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SOUTH AUSTRALIA- National Premier League
- Furthest – South Adelaide Panthers & Modbury Jets @ 45.8km
- Shortest – Adelaide Comets & Adelaide Croatia Raiders @ 0.45km
- State League 1
- Furthest – Playford City & Sturt Lions @ 50.5km
- Shortest – Adelaide Cobras & Cumberland United @ 2.71km
- State League 2
- Furthest - Northern Demons & Mount Barker United @ 264km
- Shortest – Noarlunga United & The Cove @ 5.00km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Northern Demons (SL2) & Mount Barker United (SL2) @264km
- Shortest – Adelaide Comets (NPL) & Adelaide Croatia Raiders (NPL) @ 0.45km
- Shared Grounds
- Adelaide Olympic (NPL), Vipers (SL1) & Adelaide University (SL2) @ APEX Parks Football Centre
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WESTERN AUSTRALIA- National Premier League
- Furthest – Perth RedStar & Armadale @ 53.8km
- Shortest – Balcatta Etna & Stirling Macedonia @ 0.88km
- State League 1
- Furthest – Mandurah City & Joondalup United @ 102km
- Shortest – UWA Nedlands & Subiaco @ 2.86km
- State League 2
- Furthest – Quinns & Kalamunda City @ 59.7km
- Shortest – East Perth & Balga @ 1.56km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Mandurah City (SL1) & Quinns (SL2) @ 112km
- Shortest – Olympic Kingsway (NPL) & Wanneroo City (SL2) @ 0.24km
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TASMANIA- o National Premier League
- Furthest – Devonport City & Kingborough Lions United @ 295km
- Shortest – Launceston United & Launceston City @ 6.54km
- Northern Championship
- Furthest – Northern Rangers & Somerset Sharks @ 155km
- Shortest – Burnie United & Somerset Sharks @ 5.45km
- Southern Championship
- Furthest – Hobart United & Taroona @ 43.3km
- Shortest – University of Tasmania & Hobart City @ 3.37km
- OVERALL
- Furthest – Somerset Sharks (Northern) & Taroona (Southern) @ 351km
- Shortest – Launceston United (NPL) & Northern Rangers (Northern) @ 1.30km
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Alrighty, who's ready for some stats! First things first, a little additions to the ground rules above (and streamlining before I spam-post (will be doing a post for each Member Federation, and then another for overall (so including this post here, 11 posts total) - 47 directly connected leagues
- ACT - NPL > Capital Premier League
- NSW - NPL > NSW League One > NSW League Two
- Victoria - NPL > VPL1 > VPL2 > VSL1 (NW & SE) > VSL2 (NW & SE) > VSL3 (NW & SE) > VSL4 (N, S, E & W) > VSL5 (N, S, E & W)
- Northern NSW - NPL > Northern League One > Zone League 1 > ZL2 > ZL3)
- South Australia - NPL > SA State League 1 > SASL2
- Western Australia - NPL > WA State League 1 > WASL2
- Tasmania - NPL > Tasmanian Northern League | Tasmanian Southern League
- Queensland - NPL > QLD Premier League 1 > QPL2 > QPL3 (Metro, Darling Downs, South Coast & Sunshine Coast) > QPL4 > QPL5 Metro > QPL6 Metro
- 7 non-connected "Premier leagues"
- QLD Premier League Regional - Wide Bay
- QLD Premier League Regional - Central Coast
- QLD Premier League Regional - Whitsunday Coast
- QLD Premier League Regional - Northern
- QLD Premier League Regional - Far North & Gulf
- NT Norzone Premier League
- NT Southern Zone Premier League
So, for the purposes of this, I have gathered the longest distance travelled for a single game within each individual league (this has been done using Google Earth/Maps, with the suggested route taken as gospel), and the shortest distance between home grounds within each individual league (this is 'as the crow flies' from the centre-circle to centre-circle)
I have also done the same (longest distance and shortest distance) for a connected league - EG, those two clubs could theoretically be promoted/relegated into the same league, what's the longest/shortest theoretical distances. Shortest distances does not take into account clubs that share grounds, so this has been added in, where relevant. Specifically with Victoria, there's a few clubs that are listed as playing at the same venue, but at different pitches (usually in different leagues, except one example), so will expand on that when I get to Victoria. At the end, I have also calculated the: - Longest distance (by road) within a single league
- Longest distance (by road) within connected leagues
- Shortest distance (as the crow flies) within a single league
- Shortest distance (as the crow flies) within connected leagues
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Bumping for an update : Instead of editing the original post re: distances, I'm going to do one big post on it. What I am doing is inputting every league connected directly to the NPL in Australia (eg, any leagues that, as far as I can see, have a completely merit based promotion/relegation link, and not a 'Premiers can apply to be promoted' kind of thing. The only two states with a bit of a catch that I will expand on are Queensland, and Northern Territory. I keep having Google Earth shut down on me and I forget to save, so have had to SL4 and 5 of Victoria twice, NNSW twice, and now I'm doing SA for the second time before I learnt my lesson to save after every league. After SA, will just need to input Queensland. Also, as a couple side-notes: - All A-League clubs have been included at the level their NPL Youth team is at - and their home ground is the A-League home ground, not the NPL home ground.
- In the event of a club fielding a reserve grade side in a lower league, for the purposes of this list, that club is not considered in that league.
References for home grounds in order of use: - Wikipedia
- Official fixture listings
- Facebook pages
- Google search
The list I'm going to provide will be one for each league, and then one for each state (only including connecting leagues, and not "Non-League" clubs - which I've only added in for Tasmania and ACT because the club listings were so small). - Longest road trip
- Shortest distance (not including shared grounds) from centre-circle to centre-circle
- Shared Grounds
Below are the leagues I am using: - ACT (National Premier League > Capital Premier League)
- NSW (NPL > NSW League One > NSW League Two)
- Victoria (NPL > VPL1 > VPL2 > VSL1 > VSL2 > VSL3 > VSL4 > VSL5)
- Northern NSW (NPL > Northern League One > Zone League 1 > ZL2 > ZL3)
- South Australia (NPL > SA State League 1 > SASL2)
- Western Australia (NPL > WA State League 1 > WASL2 )
- Tasmania (NPL > Tasmanian Northern League | Tasmanian Southern League)
- Queensland (NPL > QLD Premier League 1 > QPL2 > QPL3 > QPL4 > QPL5 > QPL6)
- So, Queensland gets a bit iffy. The pyramid listed above is completely South East Queensland Based (QPL 3-6, which are even further divided into regionalised leagues). However, Football Queensland administers 5 regional Premier Leagues (Wide Bay, Central Cost, Whitsunday Coast, Northern, Far North & Gulf) which compete annually in the FQPL Champions League as a pre-season tournament, with the winner playing off against the FQPL1 Premiers. It does not appear that this is directly linked to P/R, but I do think they should be considered as part of the league structure.
- Northern Territory (Norzone Premier League | Southern Zone Premier League | Central Zone)
- The issue with NT is... well there is no single league. Essentially there's a Darwin league (Norzone Premier League) and an Alice Springs League (SZPL). Then, on the NT list of clubs, there's also the Central Zone, which only has Katherine listed. Also, both the Northern and Southern Leagues play out of a single ground in Darwin and Alice Springs. Football NT lists a training venue for each Northern Zone club, so I have listed that as the home ground for each club. Southern Zone does not have this list, so I just used Facebook pages to the best of my ability to determine a home ground (which, of the 5 Southern Zone clubs, was split across 2 grounds anyways, and one of them was that central competition ground I mentioned earlier)
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+x+x+x+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. I might go through all the clubs in each pyramid for the lulz and have a look. Might take a while for me to confirm it all though. I used to have them all saved in my Google Earth for the lulz - but that was 10 years ago, so all my data has been lost, starting from scratch. Going to do all 9 member feds, and the distance will be by road, to the furthest possible in each member feds current pyramid. This doesn't necessarily mean they are in the same league/division this season - but that they could theoretically play against eachother pending promotions and relegations. EG: Capital Football's 'furthest' in total is Yoogali to Cooma, though Cooma is not in the NPL structure anymore (distinctly different to the Tigers FC that is competing in Canberra for the NPL. So, therefore, not the furthest distance in Capital Football's current league structure. - ACT (National Premier League > Capital Premier League) - Yoogali (NPL) & Brindabella Blues (CPL) @ 382km
- NSW (NPL > NSW League One > NSW League Two) - Newcastle Jets (NSWL2) & South Coast Flame (NSWL2) @ 271km
- Victoria (NPL > VPL1 > VPL2 > VSL1 > VSL2 > VSL3 > VSL4 > VSL5) - Goulburn Valley Suns (VPL2) & Gippsland United (VSL1) @ 300km
- Northern NSW (NPL > Northern League One > Zone League 1 > ZL2 > ZL3) - TBC
- Queensland (NPL > FQ Premier League > FQPL2) - TBC
- South Australia (NPL > SA State League 1 > SASL2) - TBC
- Western Australia (NPL > WA State League 1 > WASL2 > Regional) - TBC
- Tasmania (NPL > Tasmanian Northern League | Tasmanian Southern League) - TBC
- Northern Territory (Norzone Premier League | Southern Zone Premier League) - TBC
That'll be awesome. I've got a hunch that Darwin to Alice will win it haha. Although, I don't think they join up, only for the Australia Cup preliminaries. Probably. I mean.. I might have to make that caveat when I get to them, but I'm generally doing all the states as one big mass. Another one that would be interesting to do is the closest road trips (for clubs that don't share a ground) for each state.
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+x+x+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. I might go through all the clubs in each pyramid for the lulz and have a look. Might take a while for me to confirm it all though. I used to have them all saved in my Google Earth for the lulz - but that was 10 years ago, so all my data has been lost, starting from scratch. Going to do all 9 member feds, and the distance will be by road, to the furthest possible in each member feds current pyramid. This doesn't necessarily mean they are in the same league/division this season - but that they could theoretically play against eachother pending promotions and relegations. EG: Capital Football's 'furthest' in total is Yoogali to Cooma, though Cooma is not in the NPL structure anymore (distinctly different to the Tigers FC that is competing in Canberra for the NPL. So, therefore, not the furthest distance in Capital Football's current league structure. - ACT (National Premier League > Capital Premier League) - Yoogali (NPL) & Brindabella Blues (CPL) @ 382km
- NSW (NPL > NSW League One > NSW League Two) - Newcastle Jets (NSWL2) & South Coast Flame (NSWL2) @ 271km
- Victoria (NPL > VPL1 > VPL2 > VSL1 > VSL2 > VSL3 > VSL4 > VSL5) - Goulburn Valley Suns (VPL2) & Gippsland United (VSL1) @ 300km
- Northern NSW (NPL > Northern League One > Zone League 1 > ZL2 > ZL3) - TBC
- Queensland (NPL > FQ Premier League > FQPL2) - TBC
- South Australia (NPL > SA State League 1 > SASL2) - TBC
- Western Australia (NPL > WA State League 1 > WASL2 > Regional) - TBC
- Tasmania (NPL > Tasmanian Northern League | Tasmanian Southern League) - TBC
- Northern Territory (Norzone Premier League | Southern Zone Premier League) - TBC
That'll be awesome. I've got a hunch that Darwin to Alice will win it haha. Although, I don't think they join up, only for the Australia Cup preliminaries.
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+x+x+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. I might go through all the clubs in each pyramid for the lulz and have a look. Might take a while for me to confirm it all though. I used to have them all saved in my Google Earth for the lulz - but that was 10 years ago, so all my data has been lost, starting from scratch. Going to do all 9 member feds, and the distance will be by road, to the furthest possible in each member feds current pyramid. This doesn't necessarily mean they are in the same league/division this season - but that they could theoretically play against eachother pending promotions and relegations. EG: Capital Football's 'furthest' in total is Yoogali to Cooma, though Cooma is not in the NPL structure anymore (distinctly different to the Tigers FC that is competing in Canberra for the NPL. So, therefore, not the furthest distance in Capital Football's current league structure. - ACT (National Premier League > Capital Premier League) - Yoogali (NPL) & Brindabella Blues (CPL) @ 382km
- NSW (NPL > NSW League One > NSW League Two) - Newcastle Jets (NSWL2) & South Coast Flame (NSWL2) @ 271km
- Victoria (NPL > VPL1 > VPL2 > VSL1 > VSL2 > VSL3 > VSL4 > VSL5) - Goulburn Valley Suns (VPL2) & Gippsland United (VSL1) @ 300km
- Northern NSW (NPL > Northern League One > Zone League 1 > ZL2 > ZL3) - TBC
- Queensland (NPL > FQ Premier League > FQPL2) - TBC
- South Australia (NPL > SA State League 1 > SASL2) - TBC
- Western Australia (NPL > WA State League 1 > WASL2 > Regional) - TBC
- Tasmania (NPL > Tasmanian Northern League | Tasmanian Southern League) - TBC
- Northern Territory (Norzone Premier League | Southern Zone Premier League) - TBC
Interesting.... I just learnt there's another Melbourne City FC down in Victorian State League 4.....
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+x+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. I might go through all the clubs in each pyramid for the lulz and have a look. Might take a while for me to confirm it all though. I used to have them all saved in my Google Earth for the lulz - but that was 10 years ago, so all my data has been lost, starting from scratch. - ACT (National Premier League > Capital Premier League) - Yoogali (NPL) & Brindabella Blues (CPL) @ 382km
- NSW (NPL > NSW League One > NSW League Two) - Newcastle Jets (NSWL2) & South Coast Flame (NSWL2) @ 271km
- Victoria (NPL > VPL1 > VPL2 > VSL1 > VSL2 > VSL3 > VSL4 > VSL5) - Goulburn Valley Suns (VPL2) & Gippsland United (VSL1) @ 300km
- Northern NSW (NPL > Northern League One > Zone League 1 > ZL2 > ZL3) - Southern United (ZL2) & Singleton Strikers (NL1) @ 211km
- Queensland (NPL > FQ Premier League > FQPL2) - TBC
- South Australia (NPL > SA State League 1 > SASL2) - TBC
- Western Australia (NPL > WA State League 1 > WASL2 > Regional) - TBC
- Tasmania (NPL > Tasmanian Northern League | Tasmanian Southern League) - Somerset Sharks (TNL) & Taroona (TSL) @ 349km
- Northern Territory (Norzone Premier League | Southern Zone Premier League) - TBC
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+x+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. Also bear in mind its not just the club squad that has to travel... if this is a week by week proposition, some remote clubs arent going to contribute any travelling support to the equation... One of the strengths of VIC NPL (and I assume same in Perth, Adelaide, Sydney) at the moment is the capacity for match day revenue from travelling supporters... Smaller clubs like Manningham and Moreland make money off travelling Knights, South and Bergers fans when they play at home... They WONT against Hobart Zebras or Modbury Jets.... Yeah it's a double whammy, expensive travel and loss of extra matchday revenue.
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+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. Also bear in mind its not just the club squad that has to travel... if this is a week by week proposition, some remote clubs arent going to contribute any travelling support to the equation... One of the strengths of VIC NPL (and I assume same in Perth, Adelaide, Sydney) at the moment is the capacity for match day revenue from travelling supporters... Smaller clubs like Manningham and Moreland make money off travelling Knights, South and Bergers fans when they play at home... They WONT against Hobart Zebras or Modbury Jets....
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+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. I might go through all the clubs in each pyramid for the lulz and have a look. Might take a while for me to confirm it all though.
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+xRegarding clubs being promoted, does anyone know if the NST will have requirements for having academies and women's teams? The club licensing framework for NST makes specific reference to both womens and mens teams in all age groups, full time admin staff and club technical directors ... Something all NPL clubs pretty much have in place already.
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+xWhen it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms. What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms. Western australia is massive thats a good question. Is there a club in broome 3 days drive from perth?
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When it comes to amalgamating member feds, what the max distance or travel time by road that would be acceptable? Newcastle to Canberra is 440 kms, under 5 hours. Bundaberg to Brisbane 360 kms. Townsville to Cairns 340 kms. Adelaide to Mt Gambier also 440 kms.
What's the longest road trip currently in the NPL/state leagues? I can think of Goulburn in Vic and Northern Demons in SA, 220 odd kms from most of the league, and Yoogali to Canberra 355 kms. Hobart to Devonport 260 kms.
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+xRegarding clubs being promoted, does anyone know if the NST will have requirements for having academies and women's teams? I wouldn’t think so at this stage of the development. If and when current a league clubs join the championship then there may be a process for a youth league as well as a women’s league to be added.
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Regarding clubs being promoted, does anyone know if the NST will have requirements for having academies and women's teams?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI personally worry that 9 npls into 1 nst is too much of a bottle neck to drive ambition and investment down the pyramid. Its hard to find any other examples of 9 into 1 and we will miss out on a lot of the investment that comes with p and r as a result. Also it will hurt investment at the top of the pyramid since it is too big a cliff I would hope the fa eventually funds a 3rd conference division with no financial requirements on clubs. Have the fa find the travel costs for around 4 million a season. Then make it so that if u win any npl league u get promoted. I agree with u that 16 teams is optimal for a division to bring a season length of at least 30. I wonder how long the nst takes to get to 16 What if NPL consists of 5 divisions NPL - NSW, NNSW, ACT - VIC/TAS - QLD - WA - SA/NT and in NPL2, you have 3 state leagues under NSW feeding the greater NSW conferance, and 2 state leagues under VIC/TAS feeding the VIC conference NPL2 - NSW - NNSW - VIC - ACT - TAS - SA - NT - QLD - WA so you’d have - A-League (1 Division 16 teams) - NSD (1 Division 16 teams) - NPL (5 Divisions with top 2 entering NPL champs league) - NPL2 (9 Divisions) 5 into 1 is much more reasonable if those 5 npls had 3 to 4 spots to fight for. I believe there are some euro leagues that do 5 into 1 so clearly it can work. Id support the 5 divisions to have only 12 teams to make the odds better and make that bottle neck as open as possible Closest off the top of my head is Italy does 9 into 3 from Serie D to Serie C Yeah id like to see us go 9 into 3 with a 3rd division conference league with travel money subsidized by the fa and no financial requirements on clubs That link division would be even more crucial than a nst for the fa to fund since the old nsl clubs can fund themselves The 5 league NPL setup would be better travel wise and easier for clubs financially to travel.
But if we do go the 3 league setup route in NPL how would you break it down
EAST - QLD/NNSW/NSW/ACT CENTRAL - VIC/TAS/SA/NT WEST - WA
other option would be
NORTH - QLD/NT/NNSW STH EAST - NSW/ACT/VIC/TAS WEST - SA/WA yeah so for conferences I guess you just have to subsidize a western conference due to the vast distances. Would need fa to subsidize it but their budget is 260million. The travel budget for a conference system is probably around 2-3 million dollars a year given the aafc modelling. So I think the subsidizing of the western conference is doable Your second option would work well A small tweek though,I would go west with WA/NT/SA fully subsidized by the fa South with act/vic/tas north with nsw/nnsw/qld or something like tht if this is part of the pyramid, a conference system gaurantees more opportunities for teams outside of nsw/vic which is a key worry about p and r (that it would be too sydney/melbourne focused) Your both so keenly carving up the country into conferences, have you stopped to consider the clubs involved in these state based comps? At a third tier level any club wanting to show a little ambition would want to be able to attract a local following to increase revenue both from matchday advertising and gate takings food drink... This would lend itself better to inter city/state rivalries rather than the Darwin Aces flying into Adelaide every second week... This fascination with geographical representation doesnt lend itself to meritocratic sporting ambition... Let each state NPL decide it's Champion every year and run a knockout tournament post season to decide who goes UP to the championship, its not hard... if VIC and NSW clubs win it every year there is probably a reason this is happening..... Everywhere else in the whole wide world the purpose is to have the best run clubs rise to the top and we will gain NOTHING by restricting this to protect geographic representation.... NOTHING. How do u solve the 9 into 1 issue? Such a bottle neck will kill investment. Without a conference it isnt a pyramid its a ladder on a pancakr Relatively easily... the 9 GF winners of each NPL plus 7 of the highest placed (on the table during regular season) "runners up" compete in a round of 16 cup/cl type format and the two finalists go up to the championship (the GF winner automatically and the runner up goes into playoff with the second last team on the championship table)... The goal would be to grow this end of year (qualification tourney) into a fully fleshed out Australian championship second division of 16 x clubs over 3-5 years how that is done is the real challenge... My suggestion would be to do work with the clubs that show consistency in making it to this (playoffs) over the time frame (whatever that is decided to be) to meet the necessary club licensing criteria (I believe FA is already implementing this) and then offer this as a full time home and away league feeding into the championship .. then rinse and repeat for the third tier... It gives NPL clubs an achievable path and a realistic time frame of perhaps a decade to get all three levels to a simialr degree of prfitablity and readiness to compete at the highest national level. I dont think we need massive upwards (or downards) movent of clubs bewteen the tieres, just a fair and honest mechanism for which they can achieve this. My dream 25 year goal is Australian Championship - 16 x clubs (maybe more) Australian Championship 2 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian Championship 3 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian National Premier Leagues promotion relegation tournament) 1.5 clubs up for promotion - 16 x clubs (with proviso that they meet club licensing criteria - some years less, some years none... whatever it is each season) National Premier leagues - 9 x federations of 16 clubs each ( GF winner gets the option to apply for end of year Qualification tournament) each NPL then should have NPL 2, NPL 3 and then Sate 1, Sate 2 , State 3 etc etc depending on size and number fo clubs in state. ALL feeding into each other.... at the very least 48 x clubs, all aligning to FA club licensing criteria (must have TD, womens teams, ALL age group teams of boys and girls, Access to a stadium with 1000K minimum capacity and mens and womens changing facilities and lights adequate to host night games) Its not that hard to do.... The main issue will be to monetise it so that travel can be underwirtten at AUS Chamionship levels 2 and 3 and the end of year qualifiactions, everything else can start tomorrow. The one main issue I see with our pyramid is the "fitting in" of underage teams to a national framework... This would have to remain as is at state level for all clubs I think, we cant have U13s flying around the country. Yeah i dont mind more national divisions - the more the better, but that still puts a bottle neck at some place down the ladder. Your 9 into 1 is no longer npl into nst but npl into the national 4th teir and i think at some stage to get the full benefits of p and r we need a conference system. As an aside Id be surprised if we can manage more than 2 national divisions in the short to medium term without fa funding teams. We of couse should have as many as there are teams that can do it unfunded, but once we reach that limit i think the npl finals system should be expanded into a conference division with travel funds from the fa The travel funds for an entire conference system would cost less than a single a league club so i think its worth it My only objection to a conference is the travel costs associated with say a combined SA and NT conference ... every week... whereas an end of year tourney played over 2 weekends for a handful of the better clubs would be alot more achievable... You could even do a (and I cant believe Im about to type this) "Festival of football" over a single weekend every year, each year at a different location to keep it fair.... :) Think about it from the perspective of your local club down the street... Maybe they are State 2 for arguments sake... have a dozen committee members, 1age group teams and a bunch of ex players drinking at the bar every match... They can see that, without to much effort they can rise to State 1, then have to get their fiances in order to apply to get promoted to NPL 3, then, and only if there is a desire, they can speak to council about their ground, hire a TD and start marketing the club to the local community to rise to the chance to play in a national league ... ALL for a relatively low cost and not any more travel then they are doing now.... Those ex players drinking at the bar, get 10-15 mates to chip in a few coins and some time and all of a sudden another pro club is being pulled out of the oven.... it can be like playing football manager in real life, without the massive 25mill entry fees the APL demands. Yeah in australia we are forced with tradeoffs due to our massive size and sparse population. The travel costs for a conference should be fully covered by the fa imo due to the high need to avoid the bottleneck. At minimum sa nt and wa should be covered since the east coast travel within a conference isnt much worse than travel in the npl. We had the fa subsidizing the top end of town for years, so i understand some push back to subsidizing the middle end of town but i think its necessary The nsl was an interesting case study. We had p and r for a bit but the cliff from state to national was just too brutal. The purple patch of youth development in the 90s actually happened when p and r was abandoned and teams could invest in longer term thinking. Before that we were so remedial we were getting knocked out of world cup quals by minnows. P and r works when it encourages more investment from all parts of the ladder. That means it is realistic for a team to get promoted from lower down. This means not only lower division teams invest, but higher division teams can afford to think of the long term because relegation isnt permanent - win the league and u are back up. Without a conference system you have over 100 teams competing for 1 to 2 spaces. It would be smarter to invest in bitcoin There is merit in what you say but even with a conference system in palce yous till have 100 teams competing for those same two spaces just with less travel... I dont see the difference? As for NSL dabbles with pro/rel... they were add hock at best... In my opinion the WRONG clubs where promoted when they where and another prime example of geographic representation being the enemy of football meritocracy. In 1979 South Melbourne, being the last club on the table, SHOULD have been relegated but because of the fact there where too many NSW clubs in the league the decision was the bottom NSW club would go down instead... garbage and I admit it .... but it was all done to preserve the national" aspect of teh league... we have NEVER tried true pro/rel based on performance whilst having a stable pyramid, structure and framework for which the clubs need to strive for beofer... lets try it and see... What have we got to lose? The ALeague is social distancing itself, safely quarantined behind its franchise wall, at worse case all the old clubs wipe themselves out and CFG and Pierce can rule the roost for ALL of soccer. I agree we had a hybrid p and r system but it is also interesting things improved when we got rid of it. Since it is a global standard and there are scientific papers giving evidence that p and r had benefits we have to figure out how to get those benefits. I doubt the problems were just because it was ad hoc as id still expect an ad hoc system to work better than no p and r. My explanation for why it didnt is the combination of the bottle neck and the travel distance As for how a conference system helps each conference can have 2 to 3 relegation spots meaning it is possible to have a simple system where winning the npl means promotion and winning your conference league means promotion. Winning your league can be as good as a 1 in 12 chance so worth the investment. Many conference teams will invest after being promoted to the conference in the hope of getting up. Some will sit there for a while and then find the funds. It helps teams whose level is in between a national and a state level to compete at the appropriate level and grow.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI personally worry that 9 npls into 1 nst is too much of a bottle neck to drive ambition and investment down the pyramid. Its hard to find any other examples of 9 into 1 and we will miss out on a lot of the investment that comes with p and r as a result. Also it will hurt investment at the top of the pyramid since it is too big a cliff I would hope the fa eventually funds a 3rd conference division with no financial requirements on clubs. Have the fa find the travel costs for around 4 million a season. Then make it so that if u win any npl league u get promoted. I agree with u that 16 teams is optimal for a division to bring a season length of at least 30. I wonder how long the nst takes to get to 16 What if NPL consists of 5 divisions NPL - NSW, NNSW, ACT - VIC/TAS - QLD - WA - SA/NT and in NPL2, you have 3 state leagues under NSW feeding the greater NSW conferance, and 2 state leagues under VIC/TAS feeding the VIC conference NPL2 - NSW - NNSW - VIC - ACT - TAS - SA - NT - QLD - WA so you’d have - A-League (1 Division 16 teams) - NSD (1 Division 16 teams) - NPL (5 Divisions with top 2 entering NPL champs league) - NPL2 (9 Divisions) 5 into 1 is much more reasonable if those 5 npls had 3 to 4 spots to fight for. I believe there are some euro leagues that do 5 into 1 so clearly it can work. Id support the 5 divisions to have only 12 teams to make the odds better and make that bottle neck as open as possible Closest off the top of my head is Italy does 9 into 3 from Serie D to Serie C Yeah id like to see us go 9 into 3 with a 3rd division conference league with travel money subsidized by the fa and no financial requirements on clubs That link division would be even more crucial than a nst for the fa to fund since the old nsl clubs can fund themselves The 5 league NPL setup would be better travel wise and easier for clubs financially to travel.
But if we do go the 3 league setup route in NPL how would you break it down
EAST - QLD/NNSW/NSW/ACT CENTRAL - VIC/TAS/SA/NT WEST - WA
other option would be
NORTH - QLD/NT/NNSW STH EAST - NSW/ACT/VIC/TAS WEST - SA/WA yeah so for conferences I guess you just have to subsidize a western conference due to the vast distances. Would need fa to subsidize it but their budget is 260million. The travel budget for a conference system is probably around 2-3 million dollars a year given the aafc modelling. So I think the subsidizing of the western conference is doable Your second option would work well A small tweek though,I would go west with WA/NT/SA fully subsidized by the fa South with act/vic/tas north with nsw/nnsw/qld or something like tht if this is part of the pyramid, a conference system gaurantees more opportunities for teams outside of nsw/vic which is a key worry about p and r (that it would be too sydney/melbourne focused) Your both so keenly carving up the country into conferences, have you stopped to consider the clubs involved in these state based comps? At a third tier level any club wanting to show a little ambition would want to be able to attract a local following to increase revenue both from matchday advertising and gate takings food drink... This would lend itself better to inter city/state rivalries rather than the Darwin Aces flying into Adelaide every second week... This fascination with geographical representation doesnt lend itself to meritocratic sporting ambition... Let each state NPL decide it's Champion every year and run a knockout tournament post season to decide who goes UP to the championship, its not hard... if VIC and NSW clubs win it every year there is probably a reason this is happening..... Everywhere else in the whole wide world the purpose is to have the best run clubs rise to the top and we will gain NOTHING by restricting this to protect geographic representation.... NOTHING. How do u solve the 9 into 1 issue? Such a bottle neck will kill investment. Without a conference it isnt a pyramid its a ladder on a pancakr Relatively easily... the 9 GF winners of each NPL plus 7 of the highest placed (on the table during regular season) "runners up" compete in a round of 16 cup/cl type format and the two finalists go up to the championship (the GF winner automatically and the runner up goes into playoff with the second last team on the championship table)... The goal would be to grow this end of year (qualification tourney) into a fully fleshed out Australian championship second division of 16 x clubs over 3-5 years how that is done is the real challenge... My suggestion would be to do work with the clubs that show consistency in making it to this (playoffs) over the time frame (whatever that is decided to be) to meet the necessary club licensing criteria (I believe FA is already implementing this) and then offer this as a full time home and away league feeding into the championship .. then rinse and repeat for the third tier... It gives NPL clubs an achievable path and a realistic time frame of perhaps a decade to get all three levels to a simialr degree of prfitablity and readiness to compete at the highest national level. I dont think we need massive upwards (or downards) movent of clubs bewteen the tieres, just a fair and honest mechanism for which they can achieve this. My dream 25 year goal is Australian Championship - 16 x clubs (maybe more) Australian Championship 2 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian Championship 3 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian National Premier Leagues promotion relegation tournament) 1.5 clubs up for promotion - 16 x clubs (with proviso that they meet club licensing criteria - some years less, some years none... whatever it is each season) National Premier leagues - 9 x federations of 16 clubs each ( GF winner gets the option to apply for end of year Qualification tournament) each NPL then should have NPL 2, NPL 3 and then Sate 1, Sate 2 , State 3 etc etc depending on size and number fo clubs in state. ALL feeding into each other.... at the very least 48 x clubs, all aligning to FA club licensing criteria (must have TD, womens teams, ALL age group teams of boys and girls, Access to a stadium with 1000K minimum capacity and mens and womens changing facilities and lights adequate to host night games) Its not that hard to do.... The main issue will be to monetise it so that travel can be underwirtten at AUS Chamionship levels 2 and 3 and the end of year qualifiactions, everything else can start tomorrow. The one main issue I see with our pyramid is the "fitting in" of underage teams to a national framework... This would have to remain as is at state level for all clubs I think, we cant have U13s flying around the country. Yeah i dont mind more national divisions - the more the better, but that still puts a bottle neck at some place down the ladder. Your 9 into 1 is no longer npl into nst but npl into the national 4th teir and i think at some stage to get the full benefits of p and r we need a conference system. As an aside Id be surprised if we can manage more than 2 national divisions in the short to medium term without fa funding teams. We of couse should have as many as there are teams that can do it unfunded, but once we reach that limit i think the npl finals system should be expanded into a conference division with travel funds from the fa The travel funds for an entire conference system would cost less than a single a league club so i think its worth it My only objection to a conference is the travel costs associated with say a combined SA and NT conference ... every week... whereas an end of year tourney played over 2 weekends for a handful of the better clubs would be alot more achievable... You could even do a (and I cant believe Im about to type this) "Festival of football" over a single weekend every year, each year at a different location to keep it fair.... :) Think about it from the perspective of your local club down the street... Maybe they are State 2 for arguments sake... have a dozen committee members, 1age group teams and a bunch of ex players drinking at the bar every match... They can see that, without to much effort they can rise to State 1, then have to get their fiances in order to apply to get promoted to NPL 3, then, and only if there is a desire, they can speak to council about their ground, hire a TD and start marketing the club to the local community to rise to the chance to play in a national league ... ALL for a relatively low cost and not any more travel then they are doing now.... Those ex players drinking at the bar, get 10-15 mates to chip in a few coins and some time and all of a sudden another pro club is being pulled out of the oven.... it can be like playing football manager in real life, without the massive 25mill entry fees the APL demands. Yeah in australia we are forced with tradeoffs due to our massive size and sparse population. The travel costs for a conference should be fully covered by the fa imo due to the high need to avoid the bottleneck. At minimum sa nt and wa should be covered since the east coast travel within a conference isnt much worse than travel in the npl. We had the fa subsidizing the top end of town for years, so i understand some push back to subsidizing the middle end of town but i think its necessary The nsl was an interesting case study. We had p and r for a bit but the cliff from state to national was just too brutal. The purple patch of youth development in the 90s actually happened when p and r was abandoned and teams could invest in longer term thinking. Before that we were so remedial we were getting knocked out of world cup quals by minnows. P and r works when it encourages more investment from all parts of the ladder. That means it is realistic for a team to get promoted from lower down. This means not only lower division teams invest, but higher division teams can afford to think of the long term because relegation isnt permanent - win the league and u are back up. Without a conference system you have over 100 teams competing for 1 to 2 spaces. It would be smarter to invest in bitcoin There is merit in what you say but even with a conference system in palce yous till have 100 teams competing for those same two spaces just with less travel... I dont see the difference? As for NSL dabbles with pro/rel... they were add hock at best... In my opinion the WRONG clubs where promoted when they where and another prime example of geographic representation being the enemy of football meritocracy. In 1979 South Melbourne, being the last club on the table, SHOULD have been relegated but because of the fact there where too many NSW clubs in the league the decision was the bottom NSW club would go down instead... garbage and I admit it .... but it was all done to preserve the national" aspect of teh league... we have NEVER tried true pro/rel based on performance whilst having a stable pyramid, structure and framework for which the clubs need to strive for beofer... lets try it and see... What have we got to lose? The ALeague is social distancing itself, safely quarantined behind its franchise wall, at worse case all the old clubs wipe themselves out and CFG and Pierce can rule the roost for ALL of soccer.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI personally worry that 9 npls into 1 nst is too much of a bottle neck to drive ambition and investment down the pyramid. Its hard to find any other examples of 9 into 1 and we will miss out on a lot of the investment that comes with p and r as a result. Also it will hurt investment at the top of the pyramid since it is too big a cliff I would hope the fa eventually funds a 3rd conference division with no financial requirements on clubs. Have the fa find the travel costs for around 4 million a season. Then make it so that if u win any npl league u get promoted. I agree with u that 16 teams is optimal for a division to bring a season length of at least 30. I wonder how long the nst takes to get to 16 What if NPL consists of 5 divisions NPL - NSW, NNSW, ACT - VIC/TAS - QLD - WA - SA/NT and in NPL2, you have 3 state leagues under NSW feeding the greater NSW conferance, and 2 state leagues under VIC/TAS feeding the VIC conference NPL2 - NSW - NNSW - VIC - ACT - TAS - SA - NT - QLD - WA so you’d have - A-League (1 Division 16 teams) - NSD (1 Division 16 teams) - NPL (5 Divisions with top 2 entering NPL champs league) - NPL2 (9 Divisions) 5 into 1 is much more reasonable if those 5 npls had 3 to 4 spots to fight for. I believe there are some euro leagues that do 5 into 1 so clearly it can work. Id support the 5 divisions to have only 12 teams to make the odds better and make that bottle neck as open as possible Closest off the top of my head is Italy does 9 into 3 from Serie D to Serie C Yeah id like to see us go 9 into 3 with a 3rd division conference league with travel money subsidized by the fa and no financial requirements on clubs That link division would be even more crucial than a nst for the fa to fund since the old nsl clubs can fund themselves The 5 league NPL setup would be better travel wise and easier for clubs financially to travel.
But if we do go the 3 league setup route in NPL how would you break it down
EAST - QLD/NNSW/NSW/ACT CENTRAL - VIC/TAS/SA/NT WEST - WA
other option would be
NORTH - QLD/NT/NNSW STH EAST - NSW/ACT/VIC/TAS WEST - SA/WA yeah so for conferences I guess you just have to subsidize a western conference due to the vast distances. Would need fa to subsidize it but their budget is 260million. The travel budget for a conference system is probably around 2-3 million dollars a year given the aafc modelling. So I think the subsidizing of the western conference is doable Your second option would work well A small tweek though,I would go west with WA/NT/SA fully subsidized by the fa South with act/vic/tas north with nsw/nnsw/qld or something like tht if this is part of the pyramid, a conference system gaurantees more opportunities for teams outside of nsw/vic which is a key worry about p and r (that it would be too sydney/melbourne focused) Your both so keenly carving up the country into conferences, have you stopped to consider the clubs involved in these state based comps? At a third tier level any club wanting to show a little ambition would want to be able to attract a local following to increase revenue both from matchday advertising and gate takings food drink... This would lend itself better to inter city/state rivalries rather than the Darwin Aces flying into Adelaide every second week... This fascination with geographical representation doesnt lend itself to meritocratic sporting ambition... Let each state NPL decide it's Champion every year and run a knockout tournament post season to decide who goes UP to the championship, its not hard... if VIC and NSW clubs win it every year there is probably a reason this is happening..... Everywhere else in the whole wide world the purpose is to have the best run clubs rise to the top and we will gain NOTHING by restricting this to protect geographic representation.... NOTHING. How do u solve the 9 into 1 issue? Such a bottle neck will kill investment. Without a conference it isnt a pyramid its a ladder on a pancakr Relatively easily... the 9 GF winners of each NPL plus 7 of the highest placed (on the table during regular season) "runners up" compete in a round of 16 cup/cl type format and the two finalists go up to the championship (the GF winner automatically and the runner up goes into playoff with the second last team on the championship table)... The goal would be to grow this end of year (qualification tourney) into a fully fleshed out Australian championship second division of 16 x clubs over 3-5 years how that is done is the real challenge... My suggestion would be to do work with the clubs that show consistency in making it to this (playoffs) over the time frame (whatever that is decided to be) to meet the necessary club licensing criteria (I believe FA is already implementing this) and then offer this as a full time home and away league feeding into the championship .. then rinse and repeat for the third tier... It gives NPL clubs an achievable path and a realistic time frame of perhaps a decade to get all three levels to a simialr degree of prfitablity and readiness to compete at the highest national level. I dont think we need massive upwards (or downards) movent of clubs bewteen the tieres, just a fair and honest mechanism for which they can achieve this. My dream 25 year goal is Australian Championship - 16 x clubs (maybe more) Australian Championship 2 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian Championship 3 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian National Premier Leagues promotion relegation tournament) 1.5 clubs up for promotion - 16 x clubs (with proviso that they meet club licensing criteria - some years less, some years none... whatever it is each season) National Premier leagues - 9 x federations of 16 clubs each ( GF winner gets the option to apply for end of year Qualification tournament) each NPL then should have NPL 2, NPL 3 and then Sate 1, Sate 2 , State 3 etc etc depending on size and number fo clubs in state. ALL feeding into each other.... at the very least 48 x clubs, all aligning to FA club licensing criteria (must have TD, womens teams, ALL age group teams of boys and girls, Access to a stadium with 1000K minimum capacity and mens and womens changing facilities and lights adequate to host night games) Its not that hard to do.... The main issue will be to monetise it so that travel can be underwirtten at AUS Chamionship levels 2 and 3 and the end of year qualifiactions, everything else can start tomorrow. The one main issue I see with our pyramid is the "fitting in" of underage teams to a national framework... This would have to remain as is at state level for all clubs I think, we cant have U13s flying around the country. Yeah i dont mind more national divisions - the more the better, but that still puts a bottle neck at some place down the ladder. Your 9 into 1 is no longer npl into nst but npl into the national 4th teir and i think at some stage to get the full benefits of p and r we need a conference system. As an aside Id be surprised if we can manage more than 2 national divisions in the short to medium term without fa funding teams. We of couse should have as many as there are teams that can do it unfunded, but once we reach that limit i think the npl finals system should be expanded into a conference division with travel funds from the fa The travel funds for an entire conference system would cost less than a single a league club so i think its worth it My only objection to a conference is the travel costs associated with say a combined SA and NT conference ... every week... whereas an end of year tourney played over 2 weekends for a handful of the better clubs would be alot more achievable... You could even do a (and I cant believe Im about to type this) "Festival of football" over a single weekend every year, each year at a different location to keep it fair.... :) Think about it from the perspective of your local club down the street... Maybe they are State 2 for arguments sake... have a dozen committee members, 1age group teams and a bunch of ex players drinking at the bar every match... They can see that, without to much effort they can rise to State 1, then have to get their fiances in order to apply to get promoted to NPL 3, then, and only if there is a desire, they can speak to council about their ground, hire a TD and start marketing the club to the local community to rise to the chance to play in a national league ... ALL for a relatively low cost and not any more travel then they are doing now.... Those ex players drinking at the bar, get 10-15 mates to chip in a few coins and some time and all of a sudden another pro club is being pulled out of the oven.... it can be like playing football manager in real life, without the massive 25mill entry fees the APL demands. Yeah in australia we are forced with tradeoffs due to our massive size and sparse population. The travel costs for a conference should be fully covered by the fa imo due to the high need to avoid the bottleneck. At minimum sa nt and wa should be covered since the east coast travel within a conference isnt much worse than travel in the npl. We had the fa subsidizing the top end of town for years, so i understand some push back to subsidizing the middle end of town but i think its necessary The nsl was an interesting case study. We had p and r for a bit but the cliff from state to national was just too brutal. The purple patch of youth development in the 90s actually happened when p and r was abandoned and teams could invest in longer term thinking. Before that we were so remedial we were getting knocked out of world cup quals by minnows. P and r works when it encourages more investment from all parts of the ladder. That means it is realistic for a team to get promoted from lower down. This means not only lower division teams invest, but higher division teams can afford to think of the long term because relegation isnt permanent - win the league and u are back up. Without a conference system you have over 100 teams competing for 1 to 2 spaces. It would be smarter to invest in bitcoin
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI personally worry that 9 npls into 1 nst is too much of a bottle neck to drive ambition and investment down the pyramid. Its hard to find any other examples of 9 into 1 and we will miss out on a lot of the investment that comes with p and r as a result. Also it will hurt investment at the top of the pyramid since it is too big a cliff I would hope the fa eventually funds a 3rd conference division with no financial requirements on clubs. Have the fa find the travel costs for around 4 million a season. Then make it so that if u win any npl league u get promoted. I agree with u that 16 teams is optimal for a division to bring a season length of at least 30. I wonder how long the nst takes to get to 16 What if NPL consists of 5 divisions NPL - NSW, NNSW, ACT - VIC/TAS - QLD - WA - SA/NT and in NPL2, you have 3 state leagues under NSW feeding the greater NSW conferance, and 2 state leagues under VIC/TAS feeding the VIC conference NPL2 - NSW - NNSW - VIC - ACT - TAS - SA - NT - QLD - WA so you’d have - A-League (1 Division 16 teams) - NSD (1 Division 16 teams) - NPL (5 Divisions with top 2 entering NPL champs league) - NPL2 (9 Divisions) 5 into 1 is much more reasonable if those 5 npls had 3 to 4 spots to fight for. I believe there are some euro leagues that do 5 into 1 so clearly it can work. Id support the 5 divisions to have only 12 teams to make the odds better and make that bottle neck as open as possible Closest off the top of my head is Italy does 9 into 3 from Serie D to Serie C Yeah id like to see us go 9 into 3 with a 3rd division conference league with travel money subsidized by the fa and no financial requirements on clubs That link division would be even more crucial than a nst for the fa to fund since the old nsl clubs can fund themselves The 5 league NPL setup would be better travel wise and easier for clubs financially to travel.
But if we do go the 3 league setup route in NPL how would you break it down
EAST - QLD/NNSW/NSW/ACT CENTRAL - VIC/TAS/SA/NT WEST - WA
other option would be
NORTH - QLD/NT/NNSW STH EAST - NSW/ACT/VIC/TAS WEST - SA/WA yeah so for conferences I guess you just have to subsidize a western conference due to the vast distances. Would need fa to subsidize it but their budget is 260million. The travel budget for a conference system is probably around 2-3 million dollars a year given the aafc modelling. So I think the subsidizing of the western conference is doable Your second option would work well A small tweek though,I would go west with WA/NT/SA fully subsidized by the fa South with act/vic/tas north with nsw/nnsw/qld or something like tht if this is part of the pyramid, a conference system gaurantees more opportunities for teams outside of nsw/vic which is a key worry about p and r (that it would be too sydney/melbourne focused) Your both so keenly carving up the country into conferences, have you stopped to consider the clubs involved in these state based comps? At a third tier level any club wanting to show a little ambition would want to be able to attract a local following to increase revenue both from matchday advertising and gate takings food drink... This would lend itself better to inter city/state rivalries rather than the Darwin Aces flying into Adelaide every second week... This fascination with geographical representation doesnt lend itself to meritocratic sporting ambition... Let each state NPL decide it's Champion every year and run a knockout tournament post season to decide who goes UP to the championship, its not hard... if VIC and NSW clubs win it every year there is probably a reason this is happening..... Everywhere else in the whole wide world the purpose is to have the best run clubs rise to the top and we will gain NOTHING by restricting this to protect geographic representation.... NOTHING. How do u solve the 9 into 1 issue? Such a bottle neck will kill investment. Without a conference it isnt a pyramid its a ladder on a pancakr Relatively easily... the 9 GF winners of each NPL plus 7 of the highest placed (on the table during regular season) "runners up" compete in a round of 16 cup/cl type format and the two finalists go up to the championship (the GF winner automatically and the runner up goes into playoff with the second last team on the championship table)... The goal would be to grow this end of year (qualification tourney) into a fully fleshed out Australian championship second division of 16 x clubs over 3-5 years how that is done is the real challenge... My suggestion would be to do work with the clubs that show consistency in making it to this (playoffs) over the time frame (whatever that is decided to be) to meet the necessary club licensing criteria (I believe FA is already implementing this) and then offer this as a full time home and away league feeding into the championship .. then rinse and repeat for the third tier... It gives NPL clubs an achievable path and a realistic time frame of perhaps a decade to get all three levels to a simialr degree of prfitablity and readiness to compete at the highest national level. I dont think we need massive upwards (or downards) movent of clubs bewteen the tieres, just a fair and honest mechanism for which they can achieve this. My dream 25 year goal is Australian Championship - 16 x clubs (maybe more) Australian Championship 2 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian Championship 3 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian National Premier Leagues promotion relegation tournament) 1.5 clubs up for promotion - 16 x clubs (with proviso that they meet club licensing criteria - some years less, some years none... whatever it is each season) National Premier leagues - 9 x federations of 16 clubs each ( GF winner gets the option to apply for end of year Qualification tournament) each NPL then should have NPL 2, NPL 3 and then Sate 1, Sate 2 , State 3 etc etc depending on size and number fo clubs in state. ALL feeding into each other.... at the very least 48 x clubs, all aligning to FA club licensing criteria (must have TD, womens teams, ALL age group teams of boys and girls, Access to a stadium with 1000K minimum capacity and mens and womens changing facilities and lights adequate to host night games) Its not that hard to do.... The main issue will be to monetise it so that travel can be underwirtten at AUS Chamionship levels 2 and 3 and the end of year qualifiactions, everything else can start tomorrow. The one main issue I see with our pyramid is the "fitting in" of underage teams to a national framework... This would have to remain as is at state level for all clubs I think, we cant have U13s flying around the country. Good layout. Agreed with the youth teams though. Maybe just each state has their own youth premier league setup (promotion relegations based off a club championship) and at the end of each season, FA holds a national championship for each premier (similar to the NPL Finals / Current state based NYC). That way, don't have to realign and readjust which clubs have to play up an age bracket due to being in the A-League, etc Damn fine idea.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI personally worry that 9 npls into 1 nst is too much of a bottle neck to drive ambition and investment down the pyramid. Its hard to find any other examples of 9 into 1 and we will miss out on a lot of the investment that comes with p and r as a result. Also it will hurt investment at the top of the pyramid since it is too big a cliff I would hope the fa eventually funds a 3rd conference division with no financial requirements on clubs. Have the fa find the travel costs for around 4 million a season. Then make it so that if u win any npl league u get promoted. I agree with u that 16 teams is optimal for a division to bring a season length of at least 30. I wonder how long the nst takes to get to 16 What if NPL consists of 5 divisions NPL - NSW, NNSW, ACT - VIC/TAS - QLD - WA - SA/NT and in NPL2, you have 3 state leagues under NSW feeding the greater NSW conferance, and 2 state leagues under VIC/TAS feeding the VIC conference NPL2 - NSW - NNSW - VIC - ACT - TAS - SA - NT - QLD - WA so you’d have - A-League (1 Division 16 teams) - NSD (1 Division 16 teams) - NPL (5 Divisions with top 2 entering NPL champs league) - NPL2 (9 Divisions) 5 into 1 is much more reasonable if those 5 npls had 3 to 4 spots to fight for. I believe there are some euro leagues that do 5 into 1 so clearly it can work. Id support the 5 divisions to have only 12 teams to make the odds better and make that bottle neck as open as possible Closest off the top of my head is Italy does 9 into 3 from Serie D to Serie C Yeah id like to see us go 9 into 3 with a 3rd division conference league with travel money subsidized by the fa and no financial requirements on clubs That link division would be even more crucial than a nst for the fa to fund since the old nsl clubs can fund themselves The 5 league NPL setup would be better travel wise and easier for clubs financially to travel.
But if we do go the 3 league setup route in NPL how would you break it down
EAST - QLD/NNSW/NSW/ACT CENTRAL - VIC/TAS/SA/NT WEST - WA
other option would be
NORTH - QLD/NT/NNSW STH EAST - NSW/ACT/VIC/TAS WEST - SA/WA yeah so for conferences I guess you just have to subsidize a western conference due to the vast distances. Would need fa to subsidize it but their budget is 260million. The travel budget for a conference system is probably around 2-3 million dollars a year given the aafc modelling. So I think the subsidizing of the western conference is doable Your second option would work well A small tweek though,I would go west with WA/NT/SA fully subsidized by the fa South with act/vic/tas north with nsw/nnsw/qld or something like tht if this is part of the pyramid, a conference system gaurantees more opportunities for teams outside of nsw/vic which is a key worry about p and r (that it would be too sydney/melbourne focused) Your both so keenly carving up the country into conferences, have you stopped to consider the clubs involved in these state based comps? At a third tier level any club wanting to show a little ambition would want to be able to attract a local following to increase revenue both from matchday advertising and gate takings food drink... This would lend itself better to inter city/state rivalries rather than the Darwin Aces flying into Adelaide every second week... This fascination with geographical representation doesnt lend itself to meritocratic sporting ambition... Let each state NPL decide it's Champion every year and run a knockout tournament post season to decide who goes UP to the championship, its not hard... if VIC and NSW clubs win it every year there is probably a reason this is happening..... Everywhere else in the whole wide world the purpose is to have the best run clubs rise to the top and we will gain NOTHING by restricting this to protect geographic representation.... NOTHING. How do u solve the 9 into 1 issue? Such a bottle neck will kill investment. Without a conference it isnt a pyramid its a ladder on a pancakr Relatively easily... the 9 GF winners of each NPL plus 7 of the highest placed (on the table during regular season) "runners up" compete in a round of 16 cup/cl type format and the two finalists go up to the championship (the GF winner automatically and the runner up goes into playoff with the second last team on the championship table)... The goal would be to grow this end of year (qualification tourney) into a fully fleshed out Australian championship second division of 16 x clubs over 3-5 years how that is done is the real challenge... My suggestion would be to do work with the clubs that show consistency in making it to this (playoffs) over the time frame (whatever that is decided to be) to meet the necessary club licensing criteria (I believe FA is already implementing this) and then offer this as a full time home and away league feeding into the championship .. then rinse and repeat for the third tier... It gives NPL clubs an achievable path and a realistic time frame of perhaps a decade to get all three levels to a simialr degree of prfitablity and readiness to compete at the highest national level. I dont think we need massive upwards (or downards) movent of clubs bewteen the tieres, just a fair and honest mechanism for which they can achieve this. My dream 25 year goal is Australian Championship - 16 x clubs (maybe more) Australian Championship 2 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian Championship 3 - 16 x clubs (1.5 clubs up for promotion) Australian National Premier Leagues promotion relegation tournament) 1.5 clubs up for promotion - 16 x clubs (with proviso that they meet club licensing criteria - some years less, some years none... whatever it is each season) National Premier leagues - 9 x federations of 16 clubs each ( GF winner gets the option to apply for end of year Qualification tournament) each NPL then should have NPL 2, NPL 3 and then Sate 1, Sate 2 , State 3 etc etc depending on size and number fo clubs in state. ALL feeding into each other.... at the very least 48 x clubs, all aligning to FA club licensing criteria (must have TD, womens teams, ALL age group teams of boys and girls, Access to a stadium with 1000K minimum capacity and mens and womens changing facilities and lights adequate to host night games) Its not that hard to do.... The main issue will be to monetise it so that travel can be underwirtten at AUS Chamionship levels 2 and 3 and the end of year qualifiactions, everything else can start tomorrow. The one main issue I see with our pyramid is the "fitting in" of underage teams to a national framework... This would have to remain as is at state level for all clubs I think, we cant have U13s flying around the country. Yeah i dont mind more national divisions - the more the better, but that still puts a bottle neck at some place down the ladder. Your 9 into 1 is no longer npl into nst but npl into the national 4th teir and i think at some stage to get the full benefits of p and r we need a conference system. As an aside Id be surprised if we can manage more than 2 national divisions in the short to medium term without fa funding teams. We of couse should have as many as there are teams that can do it unfunded, but once we reach that limit i think the npl finals system should be expanded into a conference division with travel funds from the fa The travel funds for an entire conference system would cost less than a single a league club so i think its worth it My only objection to a conference is the travel costs associated with say a combined SA and NT conference ... every week... whereas an end of year tourney played over 2 weekends for a handful of the better clubs would be alot more achievable... You could even do a (and I cant believe Im about to type this) "Festival of football" over a single weekend every year, each year at a different location to keep it fair.... :) Think about it from the perspective of your local club down the street... Maybe they are State 2 for arguments sake... have a dozen committee members, 1age group teams and a bunch of ex players drinking at the bar every match... They can see that, without to much effort they can rise to State 1, then have to get their fiances in order to apply to get promoted to NPL 3, then, and only if there is a desire, they can speak to council about their ground, hire a TD and start marketing the club to the local community to rise to the chance to play in a national league ... ALL for a relatively low cost and not any more travel then they are doing now.... Those ex players drinking at the bar, get 10-15 mates to chip in a few coins and some time and all of a sudden another pro club is being pulled out of the oven.... it can be like playing football manager in real life, without the massive 25mill entry fees the APL demands.
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