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+xAnyways - here's my favourite bit: Permutations! For now, as there are only 3 groups with 2 games played, I'm not going to worry completely about which third placed teams progress. I will essentially break the 3 groups down into "Will Progress" (Top 2), "May Progress" (Third), "Can't Progress" (Fourth). GROUP A- Germany
- Will progress if: Germany have already progressed to the knockouts. A win or a draw against Switzerland will see them qualify as group winners. A loss will see them qualify in second.
- Switzerland
- Will progress if: Switzerland is almost guaranteed a top two finish. A win against Germany will see them qualify as group winners, and a draw will see them qualify in second - regardless of the result in Scotland v Hungary.
- May progress if: The only way Switzerland will finish third in the group, is if:
- Switzerland loses to Germany AND Scotland defeats Hungary, AND Scotland wins by 6 goals or more.
- Scotland
- Will progress if: Scotland can only finish in second place if:
- Switzerland loses to Germany AND Scotland defeats Hungary, AND Scotland wins by 6 goals or more.
- May progress if: If Switzerland fail to defeat Germany, Scotland will finish third in the group unless they lose to Hungary.
- Can't progress if: Scotland will fail to reach the knockouts if they lose to Hungary.
- Hungary
- Will progress if: Hungary cannot qualify directly by finishing first or second
- May progress if: Hungary can qualify in third if they defeat Scotland
- Cannot progress if: They fail to defeat Scotland.
GROUP B- Spain
- Will progress if: Spain has already qualified as winners of the group.
- Italy
- Will progress if: Italy will qualify in second place if they defeat or draw with Croatia
- May progress if: Italy will finish third in the group if they are defeated by Croatia
- Cannot progress if: Italy will finish fourth in the group if they are defeated by Croatia AND Albania defeats Spain
- Albania
- Will progress if: Albania defeat Spain AND Croatia defeat Italy AND Croatia do not win by more than one goal more than what Albania wins by
- Example: Albania finishes second with a 1-0 victory, and a 2-0 victory to Croatia. But Croatia finishes second with a 1-0 Albania victory and a 3-0 Croatia victory
- May progress if: Albania will finish third if
- Both Italy v Croatia and Albania v Spain end in a draw.
- If both Albania and Croatia lose, but lose within 2 goals of Croatia's losing margin.
- If both Albania and Croatia win, but Croatia's winning margin is +2 on Albania's winning margin (as above)
- Cannot progress if: Albania loses to Spain AND Croatia loses to Italy AND Albania lose by more than two goals of Croatia's losing margin.
GROUP C
This is the most confusing one, so is probably missing some nuances and is subject to change as I fix my errors. - England
- Can progress if: A draw will secure England's passage in first or second.
- A victory over Slovenia guarantees top of the group
- England can finish in first with a draw if Denmark fails to defeat Serbia.
- If Denmark defeats Serbia, England will need a 2-2 draw or higher to finish first in the group, otherwise they will finish second.
- May progress if:
- If England lose to Slovenia AND Serbia defeats Denmark, England will finish third in the group
- Cannot progress if: England is guaranteed to finish in the top 3 of the group.
- Denmark and Slovenia
- I've given them their own section together because of how things stand.
- If Denmark defeat Serbia AND England draws 0-0 or 1-1 with Slovenia, Denmark finish first, England Second, Slovenia Third.
- If Denmark defeat Serbia AND Slovenia defeats England
- The team with the higher winning margin OR most goals if the same winning margin OR fair play count back if the same result on the final match day will qualify in first, with the other in second. England will finish third
- If both final group games end in a draw, the winner of the fair play countback between Denmark and Slovenia will progress in second place behind England, with Serbia in fourth.
- If England defeats Slovenia AND Denmark do not lose to Serbia, Denmark will qualify in second behind England, with Serbia in fourth.
- If both games end in a defeat for Slovenia AND Denmark, fair play countback will determine which team MAY progress in third place.
Damn, I went to all that trouble, and UEFA has a running article on this: https://www.uefa.com/euro2024/news/028e-1b2b61087cf5-b6b99ef482fc-1000--who-needs-what-to-go-through-from-euro-2024-groups-qualifyi/
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOdd choice of referee kit for Spain Italy with gold getting the choice. Blue would have stood out way more. I believe there's colour-blindness considerations these days Interesting. But even black would have been better I would have thought. Spanish keeper was wearing black. Italian keeper in the light/fluoro-ish green. At that level, it's something to consider as well (especially given Donnarumma went up for the late corner). I know there is options for both the referee and the goalkeepers, but not sure what they all are. I believe Italy also has a red goalkeeper shirt that wouldn't have been able to be worn against Spain. Possible that the referees only have the blue, black and gold (I hate the gold though, can't see why they couldn't have fluoro yellow as is a normal option) Turns out neon yellow was also an option, as well as the neon red, If we assume that Italy only has the red and green GK jerseys, then I think they just found the most optimal solution with the babycaca gold referee shirt https://www.macron.com/eu/official-jerseys/uefa/uefa-referee.html If you seriously start a "referees kit thread" Im out..... HAHAHAHAHAAHA hahahaha - we only like a couple of refs, NCB and Muz.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOdd choice of referee kit for Spain Italy with gold getting the choice. Blue would have stood out way more. I believe there's colour-blindness considerations these days Interesting. But even black would have been better I would have thought. Spanish keeper was wearing black. Italian keeper in the light/fluoro-ish green. At that level, it's something to consider as well (especially given Donnarumma went up for the late corner). I know there is options for both the referee and the goalkeepers, but not sure what they all are. I believe Italy also has a red goalkeeper shirt that wouldn't have been able to be worn against Spain. Possible that the referees only have the blue, black and gold (I hate the gold though, can't see why they couldn't have fluoro yellow as is a normal option) Turns out neon yellow was also an option, as well as the neon red, If we assume that Italy only has the red and green GK jerseys, then I think they just found the most optimal solution with the babycaca gold referee shirt https://www.macron.com/eu/official-jerseys/uefa/uefa-referee.html If you seriously start a "referees kit thread" Im out..... HAHAHAHAHAAHA Refs need love too mate. Have you seen the picture of the lads in the crowd at the euros in all the ref kit. About 4 different colours and they've got flags and everything. hahahaha Yeah man, just busting Nics chops on a Friday :) No ref, no game... simples... I might piss and moan like EVERY fan does at some decisions but have nothing but respect for those that sling the whistle. Ive gotta say, from a pure ex player/fan perspective I am loving the reffing at this tournament. All I ever want (personally) is a non-biased ref happy to let the game flow and knowing when to step in if things get too out of hand... VAR still shits me, not that its decisions aren't always right but more so that a centimetre here and a centimetre there just suck all of the spontaneous "joy" out of the game sometimes... The fact that we're debating over referee shirt colours, and very very rarely the decisions in the tournament so far, is a testament to the refereeing quality.
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+x+xWatching England feels like when watching the Socceroos play, except they have genuine world class quality players to work but the similarities with us is pragmatic tacticians who lack the ability to control their opponents with the ball and rely heavily on counter attacks to get results. I dont see England winning the euros or get close to it unless they get better at controlling games, I feel like they lack a top class No.6 or 8 similar to the likes of Rodri and Fabian Ruiz excellent technicians who are great at controlling the tempo and rhythm of the game. TAA is not a No.6/8 and Rice is a box to box player but cant control a tempo because he has the likes of Odegaard and Jorginho in the team who do it for him at Arsenal. I would like to see either Bellingham play deeper or try young Kobbie Mainoo who is that kind of player in a sense but lacks experience but this is Southgate we are talking about here, Mr Progmatic himself. Spain were excellent and I fancy their chances with that world class midfield and dangerous front three especially their wingers who are hard to stop. I still have issues in where will their goals will come from plus their defence but so far so good for Spain, Italy were disappointing and lacked ambition today but they will be ok. I missed Serbia vs Slovenia, it must be a balkan thing to have close ending to games. Barca, I agree on your comments re the 3Lions, correct its Southgate more than the players. He needs to let them loose a little and more so his selections. Christ TAA is no 6 at all, he has potential in developing possibly into one through a Club season but not throwing him in the wolves without much experience there let alone bang in the Euros. Your right about Bellingham sitting deeper OR I'd even try him at 6 - he has the guile to adjust his game to suit. Can press him higher when the time is right. Again Southgate selections, most of his midfield are box to box with attacking nouse, there is no genuine sit back in the hole 6. Gallagher works but he always plays high for Chelsea, your Rice comments are spot on. Mainoo as young as he is has shown for United some good defending in the middle of the park and distribution, another worthwhile gamble but now I think its too late to try some unknowns by Southgates thinking. Mate your wrong about Italy, they are lucky to make it let alone have many players who have played together much compared to Spain. Barring the few Snr players they are rebuilding and I think they played the perfect holding game considering who they played and similar to many games the past week hitting better teams on the counter, they lack a striker and 2 and a stronger 6. Got GK covered no worries there, Donna is world class. Lets not forget under all that pressure its a OG, kudos to them imo. Fair points about Italy LFC, I do think Spain's style overwhelmed them and they had little options to change the game and if Spain had their shooting boots on they could have been out of sight but its not the end of the world either Italy will still go through and have a chance to go deep into the knockout stages as well so not is all lost. I admire the Spanish style for years, to think Johan Cruyff a dutchman (albeit a famous one) laid the seeds at Barcelona in creating this monster decades later for Spain and its set to continue with their new emerging young talent especially at Barcelona like Yamal, Fermin Lopez, Cubarsi etc. They leave their rivals and the rest of Europe for dead with their quality work at youth development and a clear playing style to the point everyone else is still trying to catch up with them, I don't see Spain slowing down anytime soon.
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+x+x+xWatching England feels like when watching the Socceroos play, except they have genuine world class quality players to work but the similarities with us is pragmatic tacticians who lack the ability to control their opponents with the ball and rely heavily on counter attacks to get results. I dont see England winning the euros or get close to it unless they get better at controlling games, I feel like they lack a top class No.6 or 8 similar to the likes of Rodri and Fabian Ruiz excellent technicians who are great at controlling the tempo and rhythm of the game. TAA is not a No.6/8 and Rice is a box to box player but cant control a tempo because he has the likes of Odegaard and Jorginho in the team who do it for him at Arsenal. I would like to see either Bellingham play deeper or try young Kobbie Mainoo who is that kind of player in a sense but lacks experience but this is Southgate we are talking about here, Mr Progmatic himself. Spain were excellent and I fancy their chances with that world class midfield and dangerous front three especially their wingers who are hard to stop. I still have issues in where will their goals will come from plus their defence but so far so good for Spain, Italy were disappointing and lacked ambition today but they will be ok. I missed Serbia vs Slovenia, it must be a balkan thing to have close ending to games. Barca, I agree on your comments re the 3Lions, correct its Southgate more than the players. He needs to let them loose a little and more so his selections. Christ TAA is no 6 at all, he has potential in developing possibly into one through a Club season but not throwing him in the wolves without much experience there let alone bang in the Euros. Your right about Bellingham sitting deeper OR I'd even try him at 6 - he has the guile to adjust his game to suit. Can press him higher when the time is right. Again Southgate selections, most of his midfield are box to box with attacking nouse, there is no genuine sit back in the hole 6. Gallagher works but he always plays high for Chelsea, your Rice comments are spot on. Mainoo as young as he is has shown for United some good defending in the middle of the park and distribution, another worthwhile gamble but now I think its too late to try some unknowns by Southgates thinking. Mate your wrong about Italy, they are lucky to make it let alone have many players who have played together much compared to Spain. Barring the few Snr players they are rebuilding and I think they played the perfect holding game considering who they played and similar to many games the past week hitting better teams on the counter, they lack a striker and 2 and a stronger 6. Got GK covered no worries there, Donna is world class. Lets not forget under all that pressure its a OG, kudos to them imo. Fair points about Italy LFC, I do think Spain's style overwhelmed them and they had little options to change the game and if Spain had their shooting boots on they could have been out of sight but its not the end of the world either Italy will still go through and have a chance to go deep into the knockout stages as well so not is all lost. I admire the Spanish style for years, to think Johan Cruyff a dutchman (albeit a famous one) laid the seeds at Barcelona in creating this monster decades later for Spain and its set to continue with their new emerging young talent especially at Barcelona like Yamal, Fermin Lopez, Cubarsi etc. They leave their rivals and the rest of Europe for dead with their quality work at youth development and a clear playing style to the point everyone else is still trying to catch up with them, I don't see Spain slowing down anytime soon. NCB agree we got to accept and I do we were 2nd best hands down but not by Barcas description I thought. I don't think overwhelmed them also applies, they more than us would have known they weren't going to have much possession but to suck/soak up the hurt/pain and hope lucky breaks could have been in the making. ....... You got to ride your luck and it so happens they couldn't punch the killer blows and as we know thats football on any given day. Yer their history since Cruyff, one wonders why he didn't invest those early coaching times and implement his DNA more/total football at home but he must have felt at home in Spain/Barca. He did develop a monster, I also like their game when their in tune, unstoppable as we've seen and they are recycling very well damn it ! + and in my response to Barca my typing wasn't to speed what was in my head in error. I meant to say the Azzuri struggled to quali, skin of their teeth And they have been trying to find suitable players since, they didn't have much of a decent experienced core left at all - retirements of key players + Mancini stepping down and Vialli's unfortunate illness back in the '20 win. So I really give them credit for I was actually expecting worse at the start.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOdd choice of referee kit for Spain Italy with gold getting the choice. Blue would have stood out way more. I believe there's colour-blindness considerations these days Interesting. But even black would have been better I would have thought. Spanish keeper was wearing black. Italian keeper in the light/fluoro-ish green. At that level, it's something to consider as well (especially given Donnarumma went up for the late corner). I know there is options for both the referee and the goalkeepers, but not sure what they all are. I believe Italy also has a red goalkeeper shirt that wouldn't have been able to be worn against Spain. Possible that the referees only have the blue, black and gold (I hate the gold though, can't see why they couldn't have fluoro yellow as is a normal option) Turns out neon yellow was also an option, as well as the neon red, If we assume that Italy only has the red and green GK jerseys, then I think they just found the most optimal solution with the babycaca gold referee shirt https://www.macron.com/eu/official-jerseys/uefa/uefa-referee.html If you seriously start a "referees kit thread" Im out..... HAHAHAHAHAAHA Refs need love too mate. Have you seen the picture of the lads in the crowd at the euros in all the ref kit. About 4 different colours and they've got flags and everything. hahahaha Yeah man, just busting Nics chops on a Friday :) No ref, no game... simples... I might piss and moan like EVERY fan does at some decisions but have nothing but respect for those that sling the whistle. Ive gotta say, from a pure ex player/fan perspective I am loving the reffing at this tournament. All I ever want (personally) is a non-biased ref happy to let the game flow and knowing when to step in if things get too out of hand... VAR still shits me, not that its decisions aren't always right but more so that a centimetre here and a centimetre there just suck all of the spontaneous "joy" out of the game sometimes... Yeah I know you're just poking a bit of fun. I'm enjoying the matches immensely. Can't believe how much they're allowed to push and shove. It's great.
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+x+x+x+xWatching England feels like when watching the Socceroos play, except they have genuine world class quality players to work but the similarities with us is pragmatic tacticians who lack the ability to control their opponents with the ball and rely heavily on counter attacks to get results. I dont see England winning the euros or get close to it unless they get better at controlling games, I feel like they lack a top class No.6 or 8 similar to the likes of Rodri and Fabian Ruiz excellent technicians who are great at controlling the tempo and rhythm of the game. TAA is not a No.6/8 and Rice is a box to box player but cant control a tempo because he has the likes of Odegaard and Jorginho in the team who do it for him at Arsenal. I would like to see either Bellingham play deeper or try young Kobbie Mainoo who is that kind of player in a sense but lacks experience but this is Southgate we are talking about here, Mr Progmatic himself. Spain were excellent and I fancy their chances with that world class midfield and dangerous front three especially their wingers who are hard to stop. I still have issues in where will their goals will come from plus their defence but so far so good for Spain, Italy were disappointing and lacked ambition today but they will be ok. I missed Serbia vs Slovenia, it must be a balkan thing to have close ending to games. Barca, I agree on your comments re the 3Lions, correct its Southgate more than the players. He needs to let them loose a little and more so his selections. Christ TAA is no 6 at all, he has potential in developing possibly into one through a Club season but not throwing him in the wolves without much experience there let alone bang in the Euros. Your right about Bellingham sitting deeper OR I'd even try him at 6 - he has the guile to adjust his game to suit. Can press him higher when the time is right. Again Southgate selections, most of his midfield are box to box with attacking nouse, there is no genuine sit back in the hole 6. Gallagher works but he always plays high for Chelsea, your Rice comments are spot on. Mainoo as young as he is has shown for United some good defending in the middle of the park and distribution, another worthwhile gamble but now I think its too late to try some unknowns by Southgates thinking. Mate your wrong about Italy, they are lucky to make it let alone have many players who have played together much compared to Spain. Barring the few Snr players they are rebuilding and I think they played the perfect holding game considering who they played and similar to many games the past week hitting better teams on the counter, they lack a striker and 2 and a stronger 6. Got GK covered no worries there, Donna is world class. Lets not forget under all that pressure its a OG, kudos to them imo. Fair points about Italy LFC, I do think Spain's style overwhelmed them and they had little options to change the game and if Spain had their shooting boots on they could have been out of sight but its not the end of the world either Italy will still go through and have a chance to go deep into the knockout stages as well so not is all lost. I admire the Spanish style for years, to think Johan Cruyff a dutchman (albeit a famous one) laid the seeds at Barcelona in creating this monster decades later for Spain and its set to continue with their new emerging young talent especially at Barcelona like Yamal, Fermin Lopez, Cubarsi etc. They leave their rivals and the rest of Europe for dead with their quality work at youth development and a clear playing style to the point everyone else is still trying to catch up with them, I don't see Spain slowing down anytime soon. NCB agree we got to accept and I do we were 2nd best hands down but not by Barcas description I thought. I don't think overwhelmed them also applies, they more than us would have known they weren't going to have much possession but to suck/soak up the hurt/pain and hope lucky breaks could have been in the making. ....... You got to ride your luck and it so happens they couldn't punch the killer blows and as we know thats football on any given day. Yer their history since Cruyff, one wonders why he didn't invest those early coaching times and implement his DNA more/total football at home but he must have felt at home in Spain/Barca. He did develop a monster, I also like their game when their in tune, unstoppable as we've seen and they are recycling very well damn it ! + and in my response to Barca my typing wasn't to speed what was in my head in error. I meant to say the Azzuri struggled to quali, skin of their teeth And they have been trying to find suitable players since, they didn't have much of a decent experienced core left at all - retirements of key players + Mancini stepping down and Vialli's unfortunate illness back in the '20 win. So I really give them credit for I was actually expecting worse at the start. It’s all good I got you, I’m sure Italy will find a way to be the best again Italian coaching has always been excellent till this day. I agree it seems they rebuilding after not qualifying for the last 2 world cups so it’s hard to know how well they can do in this tournament.
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+x+x+x+x+xWatching England feels like when watching the Socceroos play, except they have genuine world class quality players to work but the similarities with us is pragmatic tacticians who lack the ability to control their opponents with the ball and rely heavily on counter attacks to get results. I dont see England winning the euros or get close to it unless they get better at controlling games, I feel like they lack a top class No.6 or 8 similar to the likes of Rodri and Fabian Ruiz excellent technicians who are great at controlling the tempo and rhythm of the game. TAA is not a No.6/8 and Rice is a box to box player but cant control a tempo because he has the likes of Odegaard and Jorginho in the team who do it for him at Arsenal. I would like to see either Bellingham play deeper or try young Kobbie Mainoo who is that kind of player in a sense but lacks experience but this is Southgate we are talking about here, Mr Progmatic himself. Spain were excellent and I fancy their chances with that world class midfield and dangerous front three especially their wingers who are hard to stop. I still have issues in where will their goals will come from plus their defence but so far so good for Spain, Italy were disappointing and lacked ambition today but they will be ok. I missed Serbia vs Slovenia, it must be a balkan thing to have close ending to games. Barca, I agree on your comments re the 3Lions, correct its Southgate more than the players. He needs to let them loose a little and more so his selections. Christ TAA is no 6 at all, he has potential in developing possibly into one through a Club season but not throwing him in the wolves without much experience there let alone bang in the Euros. Your right about Bellingham sitting deeper OR I'd even try him at 6 - he has the guile to adjust his game to suit. Can press him higher when the time is right. Again Southgate selections, most of his midfield are box to box with attacking nouse, there is no genuine sit back in the hole 6. Gallagher works but he always plays high for Chelsea, your Rice comments are spot on. Mainoo as young as he is has shown for United some good defending in the middle of the park and distribution, another worthwhile gamble but now I think its too late to try some unknowns by Southgates thinking. Mate your wrong about Italy, they are lucky to make it let alone have many players who have played together much compared to Spain. Barring the few Snr players they are rebuilding and I think they played the perfect holding game considering who they played and similar to many games the past week hitting better teams on the counter, they lack a striker and 2 and a stronger 6. Got GK covered no worries there, Donna is world class. Lets not forget under all that pressure its a OG, kudos to them imo. Fair points about Italy LFC, I do think Spain's style overwhelmed them and they had little options to change the game and if Spain had their shooting boots on they could have been out of sight but its not the end of the world either Italy will still go through and have a chance to go deep into the knockout stages as well so not is all lost. I admire the Spanish style for years, to think Johan Cruyff a dutchman (albeit a famous one) laid the seeds at Barcelona in creating this monster decades later for Spain and its set to continue with their new emerging young talent especially at Barcelona like Yamal, Fermin Lopez, Cubarsi etc. They leave their rivals and the rest of Europe for dead with their quality work at youth development and a clear playing style to the point everyone else is still trying to catch up with them, I don't see Spain slowing down anytime soon. NCB agree we got to accept and I do we were 2nd best hands down but not by Barcas description I thought. I don't think overwhelmed them also applies, they more than us would have known they weren't going to have much possession but to suck/soak up the hurt/pain and hope lucky breaks could have been in the making. ....... You got to ride your luck and it so happens they couldn't punch the killer blows and as we know thats football on any given day. Yer their history since Cruyff, one wonders why he didn't invest those early coaching times and implement his DNA more/total football at home but he must have felt at home in Spain/Barca. He did develop a monster, I also like their game when their in tune, unstoppable as we've seen and they are recycling very well damn it ! + and in my response to Barca my typing wasn't to speed what was in my head in error. I meant to say the Azzuri struggled to quali, skin of their teeth And they have been trying to find suitable players since, they didn't have much of a decent experienced core left at all - retirements of key players + Mancini stepping down and Vialli's unfortunate illness back in the '20 win. So I really give them credit for I was actually expecting worse at the start. It’s all good I got you, I’m sure Italy will find a way to be the best again Italian coaching has always been excellent till this day. I agree it seems they rebuilding after not qualifying for the last 2 world cups so it’s hard to know how well they can do in this tournament. IF I was offered Italy coming second in the group before the tournament started, I'd have taken it in a heartbeat. A round of 16 quarter final against Switzerland shall await, hopefully. Going back to my permutations, I'm starting to have a look at third placed teams. Based off last time Euros and Asian Cup 3 pts and a decent goal difference should be enough to qualify from 3rd. Group A : Provided Scotland v Hungary ends in a result either way, Group A should qualify Group B: Spain should defeat Albania. If Croatia manage to defeat Italy, should also be enough for Group B to definitively be qualified as well (provided it's not a heavy defeat) Group C: The main way I can see this groups 3rd place team FAIL to qualify, is it matchday 3 ends in an England AND Denmark win. OR really, a failure for Slovenia to defeat England coupled with Serbia failing to defeat Denmark. (I might be looking a Group C a bit funny though)
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Southgate saying they don't have a replacement for Phillips and don't have a fit left back is delusion. There are so many good English players out there.
It's occurred to me that England may be best served by building the best possible team rather than an All Star team, a common pitfall of international management.
I just wish now in the next press conference that someone would list 20 viable replacements for Phillips and also bluntly asked why he's saying himself that they're experimenting in a tournament. Its shades of Arnie with these peculiar comments and excuses that don't get grilled more often.
Even the most staunch Southgate fans are shaking their heads at how poorly all this talent is bekng deployed. Realistically it's OK to be on 4 points now but the manner is nothing short of shocking.
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Waldemar Anton to Dortmund. He'll likely make the Germany squad for the world cup. Had always thought he may just opt for Uzbekistan given the expansion.
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Austria solid against Poland. Poland just aren't a tournament team except 2022.
Ukraine took the wind out if Slovakia's sails. Group wide open.
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+xAustria solid against Poland. Poland just aren't a tournament team except 2022. Ukraine took the wind out if Slovakia's sails. Group wide open. poland is not a great team to have as a second team to germany......remarkably soft underbelly
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keeper was never getting to that Xavi shot.... fucking VAR.. absolutely killed the kid.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOdd choice of referee kit for Spain Italy with gold getting the choice. Blue would have stood out way more. I believe there's colour-blindness considerations these days Interesting. But even black would have been better I would have thought. Spanish keeper was wearing black. Italian keeper in the light/fluoro-ish green. At that level, it's something to consider as well (especially given Donnarumma went up for the late corner). I know there is options for both the referee and the goalkeepers, but not sure what they all are. I believe Italy also has a red goalkeeper shirt that wouldn't have been able to be worn against Spain. Possible that the referees only have the blue, black and gold (I hate the gold though, can't see why they couldn't have fluoro yellow as is a normal option) Turns out neon yellow was also an option, as well as the neon red, If we assume that Italy only has the red and green GK jerseys, then I think they just found the most optimal solution with the babycaca gold referee shirt https://www.macron.com/eu/official-jerseys/uefa/uefa-referee.html If you seriously start a "referees kit thread" Im out..... HAHAHAHAHAAHA hahahaha - we only like a couple of refs, NCB and Muz. I'm counting RIMB. He's near enough. Just needs to do the course.
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+xkeeper was never getting to that Xavi shot.... fucking VAR.. absolutely killed the kid. Yeah but that's not the consideration whether he was going to get there or not. Not saying I agree just how they look at it. Key word is 'distracting' not 'impeding' is my understanding.
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NicCarBel
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Permutations for Group D heading into the last matchday (from UEFA.com) 25 June: Netherlands (4) vs Austria (3), France (4) vs Poland (0) Netherlands will be through to the round of 16 (in the top two) if they avoid defeat against Austria. Netherlands will win the group if they win and France do not, or if Netherlands draw and France lose. Netherlands will finish second if they draw and France win. If Netherlands and France both win or both draw, they will be split for first place on overall goal difference, then overall goals scored, then disciplinary points, then European Qualifiers rankings. Similarly if Netherlands and France both lose, they will be split for second and third place by the same criteria. France will be through to the round of 16 (in the top two) if they avoid defeat against Poland or if Austria do not beat Netherlands. France will win the group if they win and Netherlands do not. If France and Netherlands both win or both draw they will be split for first and second place by the above criteria, similarly for second and third place if they both lose. Austria will be through to the round of 16 (in the top two) if they beat Netherlands. Austria will win the group if they win and France do not. If Austria draw and France lose, Austria will finish third behind France on head-to-head record. Poland are unable to reach the round of 16 and will finish fourth. And for Group E (considering the first match has been played of Matchday 2: 22 June: Belgium (0) vs Romania (3)
26 June: Slovakia (3) vs Romania, Ukraine (3) vs Belgium Romania will be through to the round of 16, at least as a best third-placed team, if they beat Belgium. Ukraine will be through to the round of 16, at least as a best third-placed team, if they beat Belgium. Further update to follow after Saturday's game. Slovakia will be through to the round of 16, at least as a best third-placed team, if they beat Romania. Further update to follow after Saturday's game. Belgium cannot go through or be eliminated on Matchday 2. In terms of third places, pretty sure that looks like Group D is almost guaranteed a third placed berth. If Belgium knocks off Romania tonight, I would probably also say the same about Group E.
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NicCarBel
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+x+xkeeper was never getting to that Xavi shot.... fucking VAR.. absolutely killed the kid. Yeah but that's not the consideration whether he was going to get there or not. Not saying I agree just how they look at it. Key word is 'distracting' not 'impeding' is my understanding. I haven't seen (or heard of) the incident, but this is the bit of text that IFAB used in the LOTG that I'm assuming we're looking for (and assuming it's an offside for blocking the goalkeeper?) 'clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision' This means that the attacker simply needs to just be there to commit an offside offense
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Decent games this match-day, Ukraine were great to comeback to keep their tournament alive and they scored a couple of decent goals too.
Austria were too good for Slovakia, they could cause some problems for the Netherlands which they fought a tough draw over the French.
In terms of the disallowed goal, it was the right call as Dumfries was in front of Maignan even if Xavi Simons shot was too hot to handle it's unfortunate but it was the right call as its blocking the line of the goal keeper.
I feel Romania vs Belgium should be a very interesting game, Romania were very impressive against Ukraine and Belgium were unlucky against Slovakia so this could be anything.
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It's Poland's problem but I'd like to see a supercomputer break down the merit and fairness of H2H. Say Poland best Netherlands 5:0. It's for nought as H2H rule has them finishing 4th.
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+xIt's Poland's problem but I'd like to see a supercomputer break down the merit and fairness of H2H. Say Poland best Netherlands 5:0. It's for nought as H2H rule has them finishing 4th. Hmm... I might look into that after the group stage is completed, and rank the groups by 'traditional' methods side by side - similar to how it was done in the weekly A-League Discussion threads that were being done this season.
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Of course it's France, not Netherlands who Poland are playing next. Just realised that's the game my friend is going to and it's a dampener.
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+x+xIt's Poland's problem but I'd like to see a supercomputer break down the merit and fairness of H2H. Say Poland best Netherlands 5:0. It's for nought as H2H rule has them finishing 4th. Hmm... I might look into that after the group stage is completed, and rank the groups by 'traditional' methods side by side - similar to how it was done in the weekly A-League Discussion threads that were being done this season. It may just be an illusion. Perhaps getting those wins should have more value placed on them. It just feels like a common trap and a lot is decided after 2 games.
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+x+x+xIt's Poland's problem but I'd like to see a supercomputer break down the merit and fairness of H2H. Say Poland best Netherlands 5:0. It's for nought as H2H rule has them finishing 4th. Hmm... I might look into that after the group stage is completed, and rank the groups by 'traditional' methods side by side - similar to how it was done in the weekly A-League Discussion threads that were being done this season. It may just be an illusion. Perhaps getting those wins should have more value placed on them. It just feels like a common trap and a lot is decided after 2 games. Well... I might take some time tonight, and just out of comparison look at the 2023 Asian Cup, and Euro 2020(1). Just for experiments sake EDIT: First up - Euro 2020. Just the one change, in that Portugal would have finished second in Group F ahead of Germany (although Germany would still qualify in 3rd place, so the knockout bracket would just swap Portugal and Germany) 2023 Asian Cup I didn't bother with, just because it wouldn't have changed anything at all. There was one group where two teams were tied for 2nd and 3rd (Palestine and UAE), but they drew 1-1 together, so overall GD was used anyways. 
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AStmH8h3dCsI agree about the difference in the press But i think england had a lot of times a midfielder had his back to goal playing out and would pass back because they couldnt turn with their first touch even when unmarked. Baccus, a humble league 1 player does this regularly to break a press albeit against weak opposition (but if you are unmarked it doesnt matter who ur opposition is!) They also were unwilling to take players on or pass into players in traffic in zone 14. It was so conservative and they refused to try and do anything technically difficult It is as if southgate yells at his plays "hey! Cut that fancy stuff!" In training
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Also trippier seems quite one footed which makes it easy to cutiff his options
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Belgium need a win badly but I wouldn't be surprised if Romania beat them the way last Rd went
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+xBelgium need a win badly but I wouldn't be surprised if Romania beat them the way last Rd went Yep, a loss will be very bad for them. If they lose against Romania they MUST defeat Ukraine on Matchday 3, and need Romania to defeat Slovakia. Then, in that instance, Romania will top the group, and Slovakia, Ukraine and Belgium will all be ranked according to GD (then Goals Scored) - but not including their matches against Romania. Interestingly, I've only just noticed the final tiebreaker in the tournament is not a drawing of lots this time around - it's the overall ranking during qualifying. Which means essentially, the higher pot team in each group will automatically qualify (in the event that all other criteria is deadlocked), unless it's in Group A and involves Germany and that instance would be the only drawing of lots (which we've already bypassed) Just having a look at third place standings - at the moment it's Group A (Scotland) and F (Czechia) that miss out on the round of 16 - but a result in the Georgia v Czechia game would bump group F (whoever wins out of Georgia v Czechia most likely) in, and Group B (Albania) out. If that game does end in a draw though - Group F will still be out, with Albania ahead of Czechia (unless it's a 3-3 or higher draw - then Czechia will jump ahead) Round of 16 using current standings (if Georgia v Czechia ends in a result)
1B v 3F - Spain v Czechia/Georgia 1A v 2C - Germany v Denmark 1F v 3C - Turkey v Slovenia 2D v 2E - France v Ukraine 1E v 3D - Romania v Austria 1D v 2F - Netherlands v Portugal 1C v 3E - England v Slovakia 2A v 2B - Switzerland v Italy Round of 16 using current standings (if Georgia v Czechia ends in a draw less than 3-3)
1B v 3E - Spain v Slovakia1A v 2C - Germany v Denmark1F v 3C - Turkey v Slovenia2D v 2E - France v Ukraine1E v 3B - Romania v Albania1D v 2F - Netherlands v Portugal1C v 3D - England v Austria2A v 2B - Switzerland v Italy
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Ball whacks you in the face and is going nowhere but into the goal from whence it came, but it hits your arm on the way through, so VAR saves the fuckin world again and disallows it
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Surprised belgium are aging. Their league is so good compared to when ruka played there. Would think they could have a great conveyer belt of players
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